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leo
leo
00:25
\bar is a \overline as \tilde is a ?
00:37
What could be an answer to this question?
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Q: Automated management of package options and loading order

mhelvensLaTeX package conflicts are a common source of frustration: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6). To quote Freek Dijkstra: Package conflicts in LaTeX are a hell. I've been looking around, but I don't think anyone has worked on what would seem, to me, the obvious solution: a package which automates confl...

@StephanLehmke A trial-and-error algorithm which outputs a DAG-like package dependency graph. :)
leo
leo
00:52
found \widetilde =)
 
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05:55
@PauloCereda Well it seems the asker is developing that. What answers are expected?
06:07
Hi. Anyone know why } would be regarded as an "Undefined control sequence"?
I suspect it has something to do with Miktex's package manager having decided that amsfonts and amssymb do not exist
ffs, why would they force us to rewrite our preambles?! grr
(that is, problem solved)
next question: anyone know how kpfonts could load and yet fail to create "PK font jkpmit8r"?
06:51
@Frank Error message? I suspect it's earlier in the line
 
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08:34
@JG of course not:-)
09:19
@StephanLehmke I have no idea. :) I think this is a job for a meta-analyzer.
09:43
@DavidCarlisle are you going? xmlprague.cz
09:59
@topskip not this year:( (I've been before, it's a good meeting)
@DavidCarlisle No vim users? :)
@PauloCereda they all use oxygen:-)
@DavidCarlisle :)
10:16
@PauloCereda another one joined the family github.com/mredaelli :)
@cgnieder ooh! :)
@DavidCarlisle I was there this year and I will definitely go next february. Perhaps I'll prepare something for the XML demo jam
I've used LaTeX today! (first time for a looong time)
Is texlive2012 the current one?
10:44
@topskip no:-)
$ ls -d /opt/tex*
 /opt/texlive2012
I'll wait for 2014
@topskip it usually comes out half way through the year:-) Actually you might want 2013 as that incorporates all the changes needed in lua code when luatex went from lua x.y to x.y+1 and broke everything:-)
11:06
Heya
11:30
@N3buchadnezzar 'ello!
Weird
I tried to use \creflabelformat instead of \crefformat, but this created a larger space between the name and the number
Eg Equation (3.21) versus Equation (3.21)
strange
11:46
@N3buchadnezzar Example?
12:06
The document is very long and convoluted. My guess is that the spacing is equal in a MWE. I guess I just have to stick with what works.
Nesting up and improving the code in a long document is hard, to next to impossible.
12:37
@JG @AndrewStacey would be proud of me vvvvv
@N3buchadnezzar probably one of them is in an mbox
13:00
@DavidCarlisle Nice drawing
@N3buchadnezzar It was supposed to look like this but my control points and Andrew's hobby code had a minor disagreement (or at least I think I'm using Andrew's code, i just stole something from an answer)
15 hours ago, by David Carlisle
user image
13:16
@DavidCarlisle I drew a plane two weeks ago, and a dog
Eg Importing an image, tracing it, finding the controllpoints and then plotting the outline using a series of Bezier curves.
@N3buchadnezzar have you seen my plane? it's brilliant!
@DavidCarlisle No!
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A: Draw an aircraft with Tikz

David CarlisleIt was suggested in chat http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9482087#9482087 That picture mode would be the ideal tool for the job here: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \begin{picture}(200,100) \put(30,40){\line(1,0){150}} \put(30,40){\line(0,1){60}} \put(30,100){\line(...

I have a picture too, hold on.
Using tikz for the final output :p
Not as good as yours of course, but I am a mere mortal.
13:37
@DavidCarlisle Really horrible!
13:52
@DavidCarlisle I had to add a proper answer. ;-)
@egreg David is mean these days. It might be the season. :)
@N3buchadnezzar you could post it as an answer to that q:-)
@egreg well it's longer but the result still looks horrible:-)
@DavidCarlisle In a world dominated by double spacing, …
@egreg I see, if you are in danger of failing your PhD by single spacing it, if you \fill space it then you get elevated straight to Professor?
14:05
@PauloCereda I'm not sure Santa carries beer in his sack.
@DavidCarlisle At least the thesis is approved magna cum laude
@egreg :) Maybe the German version does. :)
@egreg you have no problem believing the rest of it is plausible?
@DavidCarlisle I still believe, too.
Guys, what's the space bewteen paragraphs? I can't remember. :(
@PauloCereda parskip
@PauloCereda or as @egreg calls it, \z@
14:10
@DavidCarlisle Danke. :)
I am just starting to play with tikz and I am wondering about your opinions
tex.stackexchange.com/questions/43780/… seems to indicate that it is a good idea to keep the tikz separate
I am trying to see why
do you have some strong opinions on why?
@jonalv I think it depends on your document, how complex it is, your TikZ pictures, how complex they are, your mood, your deadline, your patience, and so on. :)
@jonalv The answers input the diagram with \input which as with any part of the text file you can use or not use according to taste, tex really doesn't see input hardly at all except for keeping track of line numbers for error messages. In comments there was a suggestion to use standalone, that is different thing, making each tikz into a pdf and including it, as a graphic can speed things up if you only need to make the image once and run latex hundreds of times) but it all depends..
okey
well I want to explain things both with figures and text so feels natural to have them both in the same file. I am just wondering if I am missing something obvious...
@jonalv Nothing, unless you get two tikz figures on the same page with 1000000 nodes each and you hit some tex limit, then you can process them as separate files and pull them back in as \includegraphics and carry on.
14:23
okey cool
can I use latex commands inside tikz?
@DavidCarlisle Did you notice the touch of class of setting \parskip to zero in the “page filling” answer?
@jonalv yes (but I've never used tikz, apart from the slightly unsuccessful attempt earlier in today's chat session:-)
@egreg I did:-)
okey, I am just trying this since as of last hour and I am already beginning to like it :)
@egreg I hope you agree with the comment I left to the OP's question in that question
@DavidCarlisle Of course, since usually it is 0pt plus 0.1pt, the fill glue in \baselineskip will override it. But one never knows what the perverse mind of parskippers can concoct.
14:26
@egreg In my initial answer I left it that way but in an edit (just before your answer I think) I made parfill \fill as well
@DavidCarlisle Ex falso quodlibet
@egreg :-)
Is there any reason to prefer \lvert and \rvert over | ?
@N3buchadnezzar yes
Well I usually use \left| and \right|, except for large inline expressions..
14:33
@N3buchadnezzar amsmath \lvert is a mathopen (if you use \left| or \left\lvert they will be the same thing
@N3buchadnezzar \left and \right add a thin space.
@egreg I saw your argument tex.stackexchange.com/questions/43008/absolute-value-symbols on the site. Is the thin space generally a bad thing ?
@N3buchadnezzar Yes.
kan
kan
15:35
Any polish friends here?
@kan Nie mówię po polsku
kan
kan
@egreg :-) But, you say that in Polish, however...
@kan People from Crete always lie, said Epimenides of Crete.
kan
kan
@egreg :-) In any case, would you know what might be a reasonable translation of "niema punktów" ?
@kan Apparently “niema” is "mute”. And "punktów” is ”points”.
kan
kan
15:50
@egreg but, that is not helpful in this context...
Points is fine of course.
@kan What context? It could be “dummy”.
kan
kan
@egreg or perhaps, not existing or some such thing...
Would you like to look at what I am looking at?
@kan Is it a paper in Polish?
kan
kan
@egreg Yes...
Contributions to the theory of convex sets.
@kan Perhaps @tohecz would be better suited.
kan
kan
15:54
(The so called Mazur intersection property of balls appeared in this work by Straszewicz.)
So, Mazur merely made it well-known.
J G
J G
16:17
@DavidCarlisle I just posted your picture -- thanks!
@egreg I don't know Polish, but maybe "niema" is same as "nemá" in Czech and it means "doesn't have" in English
@michal.h21 That's quite possible.
@egreg Is a math paper in Polish polished?
@PauloCereda Only if it's about Poles of Holomorphic Functions.
@egreg ooh! :)
16:28
@JG As it's nearly the end of the year I have broken my new year's resolution and included some tikz in an answer to a tikz question
J G
J G
@DavidCarlisle hahaha i think you underestimate yourself and your tikz disdain. welcome to the dark side
thank you so much for your posting @DavidCarlisle
the code you provided reproduces that picture?
Jan 2 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.
@JG does for me
Damn, now I'm addicted to Doctor Who.
kan
kan
16:47
@michal.h21 I think that's a probable translation... :)
16:59
@PauloCereda, gotta catch them all -> thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/carousel/…
@ForkrulAssail I'm telling you guys, @JosephWright would be the most awesome Doctor of all times. :)
J G
J G
17:13
does anybody know how to put a small checkmark above an equal sign?
i tried something like: $3 \overset{\checkmark}{=} 3$
but that produced a syntax error..
@JG Did you load amssymb?
J G
J G
@egreg now i did! Thanks!
@JG almost usable version just posted:-)
J G
J G
yay!
@DavidCarlisle wow !
it's looking great!
 
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kan
kan
;-)
I'm deeply impressed that people are willing to implement decorations for math formulas with complicated TikZ code. Back in the day, my 200+ page PhD thesis used to take 45min to compile on a Sun Sparc ELC Workstation mainly because I had some pretty crappy implementation of frequently used math operators using \text a lot. Today it would probably take 30 seconds, but current PhD theses will be at 45min again because of implementing math operators with TikZ...
@StephanLehmke :)
19:46
There are many packages for typesetting algorithm (with pseudo-code). My question is that which package should I use? Which one(s) is (are) obsolete and must not be used?
As an analogy to make my question easier to digest, we have 2 packages for importing graphics: graphics and graphicx but we should use graphicx ratther than graphics as the former is more modern with key-value support.
In my rough intuition, I think I have to use algorithmix because every package with x seems to be the newest one. For example: graphicx (the newest version of graphics), siunitx (the newest of siunit), xcolor (the newest of color), so I think algorithmix is the newest of any other algorithm package. Is my intuition wrong?
By the way, what does the number 2533 below my name on the left represent?
@DonutE.Knot Your reputation in the whole SE site, IIRC.
@PauloCereda Hmmm... Thank you. It seems to be meaningless. :-)
@DonutE.Knot It is. :)
If `egreg` is to `egregious`, what is:

1. David Carlisle is to ......
2. Gonzalo Medina is to ......
3. Martin Scharrer is to ......
3. Add to the list if you may

For some reason or the other the word egregious describes how `remarkably good` egreg is here in tex.stackexchange.com and wherever he is.
@egreg @DonutE.Knot @DavidCarlisle read this post on chat : chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/12405320#12405320
20:04
0. Herbert Voss is to "tricky" (inspired from his answer on PSTrick)!
@JG I figured out (or guessed lucky) overlay so I removed the hspace and vspace manual adjustment
J G
J G
@DavidCarlisle let me check!!
21:00
@DonutE.Knot Nice one..... I can't seem to find one for david and you...:-)
@PauloCereda hmmm i like #1 and #5
 
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22:52
A new breakthrough from Microsoft: TypeScript is a syntactic sugar for JavaScript. TypeScript syntax is a superset of Ecmascript 5 (ES5) syntax. Every JavaScript program is also a TypeScript program.
23:51
@DonutE.Knot TypeScript was introduced in 2011 or last year, if I still remember.

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