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Donut E. Knot

00:16

@PauloCereda Yes. Maybe.

Donut E. Knot

00:31

Elephants and horses have great power only eat grass. This means that the grass is high-energy food.

Canageek

01:11

So, I'm giving TeXMaker a try, since TeXStuido is being dumb about custom icons and dones't have a latexmk option by deafult

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Canageek

02:40

Holy COW. It is painful going back to Word and suddenly having to deal with ragged-left again. How did I ever prefer this?

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Stephan Lehmke

05:29

Do we already have a question about cs naming conventions to optimize (i.e., decrease) hash conflicts?

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David Carlisle

11:15

@StephanLehmke oh no don't get David K started again:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

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tohecz

13:37

@kan Polish? I can understand some Polish, that's true ;)

Donut E. Knot

@tohecz: Reverse Polish Notation?

tohecz

@DonutE.Knot whatever. I never got why it's called the Polish notation at all, but again, it's the English habit of giving things completely stupid and irrelevant names ;) :p

J G

what's the situation with downvotes -- that they might be accidental?

egreg

@tohecz After Łukasiewicz?

tohecz

@egreg ok, call it Łukasiewicz notation, but why Polish notation? And after all, it has much more convenient name: pre/post-fix notation

btw, do you know what Parikh vector is?

egreg

13:48

@tohecz ‘Polish’ is more easily pronounceable than ‘Łukasiewicz’

tohecz

@egreg yeah, it is. However, post-fix is the easiest ;)

egreg

@tohecz While ‘prefix’ and ‘infix’ have a long history, ‘postfix’ is a recent formation in analogy with ‘prefix’. I wouldn't be surprised if ‘postfix’ came into use well after RPN. Why not ‘suffix’? Because it has the idea of ‘sub’ (under) and it's indeed used in phrases like ‘suffixed variable’.

Torbjørn T.

@JG What do you mean?

J G

i got some negative feedback on a post where i had lots of positive feedback. i thought i heard once that sometimes it may be error

that there is some bug. but i don't remember

Torbjørn T.

14:08

@JG Never heard of any bugs causing downvotes, only accidental mouse-clicks. Probably someone who didn't feel your question was a good one.

J G

@TorbjørnT. Well I got many upvotes for the question. Is Throston still here?

Torbjørn T.

@JG Yes, I noticed. You could leave a comment asking for a reason for the downvote, but all in all I wouldn't worry too much about it. Thruston was logged on yesterday.

J G

No not that person. Thorston. Maybe it wasn't him.

I just want to know who downvoted it and why

but i did not get any feedback from the person

Joseph Wright

@JG Votes are anonymous, so while we (as a 'community') can ask for feedback that can't be enforced

@JG Remember that many people active on other SE sites can vote here, and they may have a different idea on the boundaries for up/downvoting

@JG It's really not worth worrying about the odd downvote

J G

@JosephWright Thanks. It still makes me very unhappy to get the downvote.

@JosephWright I am very worried :(

But it's ok I don't want to trouble anybody

Joseph Wright

14:18

@JG As I say, while the 'local convention' is for very few downvotes, that's not the case cross-network

J G

well this is at least a much better community than SO

tohecz

@JosephWright we're basically the only site with this policy :)

J G

whic policy @tohecz?

tohecz

@JG of very little to no downvotes

Joseph Wright

@tohecz I've no idea how things work on different sites: there are lots of SE sites nowadays, and the 'standard' number of votes given varies

tohecz

14:24

@JosephWright well, I'm recieving many downvotes on Ac for no obvious reason sometimes :-/

J G

Hope you've been doing well @JosephWright!! I don't want to trouble you--you're an incredible mod!

@tohecz what's Ac?

tohecz

@JG academia.SE

Anyways, gotta go! Later!

Stack Exchange

Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.

egreg

@JG I surely didn't downvote it; but I don't find the method particularly good from the pedagogical point of view.

J G

14:39

you mean the way the question is presented?

egreg

@JG The diagram you'd like to obtain. But it's personal opinion, of course.

J G

oh ok

thanks

David Carlisle

15:03

@JG It happens, I assume it's vim users, they can't be trusted.

J G

vim hahah

David Carlisle

@JG maybe they downvoted because of the shoddy picture: you should get a better graphic artist next time.

J G

hahahah

Donut E. Knot

15:30

Oh batman...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Hey!

@David: in a related topic, dad saw me coding in vim in a big black screen. He was like, "Where's the drag & drop?". I LOL'd. :)

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David Carlisle

16:37

@PauloCereda Is that really the kind of activity you should let your parents see you doing?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Their health is at risk. And they might think their beloved son is crazy.

cgnieder

16:53

@PauloCereda happens to the best of us :)

@PauloCereda at least we have a suitable Advent calender: brauerei-schimpf.de/cms/files/adventskalender.jpg ;)

Paulo Cereda

17:18

@cgnieder OMG

@David, @egreg: hey, I'm not ~~ooh a duck!~~ crazy. :)

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Stephan Lehmke

18:37

@DavidCarlisle I'm doing some tests right now and the results are looking rather significant...

David Carlisle

@StephanLehmke I just forwarded you a couple of old emails about that (I thought it was on a public list but it was just internal email discussion)

Stephan Lehmke

@DavidCarlisle Thank you; will look into it. Do we have a question on this site concerning this?

David Carlisle

19:16

@StephanLehmke not really, Joseph mentions it here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/79437/…

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Paulo Cereda

21:49

A: Origin of the LaTeX3 term "coffin"?

The history of that name (as I remember it at least) goes way back to a stroll in some town in the UK sometime in the last century, probably 1997 (may have been Nottingham, but I don't remember) with David Carlisle and Chris Rowley and perhaps a few others on which we discussed those ideas about ...

@DavidCarlisle: so it's also your fault. ^^ :)

egreg

@PauloCereda It's always David's fault.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

@egreg: Any plans for Christmas? Any gift in mind? :)

egreg

@PauloCereda I have to write my letter to Santa.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg In plain TeX, hopefully. :)

I thought of getting me a Kinect.

egreg

@PauloCereda M$? No way.

Paulo Cereda

21:56

@egreg I have an Xbox 360. :)

And a PS3.

And a Wii.

And a Wii U.

And a PS2.

And a N64.

And a SNES.

And a 3DS.

What else do I have?

egreg

@PauloCereda It's amusing you find time for chatting here.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg My friends here have top priority. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'd actually written a comment saying it was Chris at Frank's house the link to the tug talk was posted. I think it was Chris but it was a long day and we'd been bouncing ideas around for hours so it's all a bit of a blur. There may possibly have been some beer involved:-0

egreg

@PauloCereda And, of course, working has lowest priority. But at top priority one should always have procrastination.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I'll fix my list later. :P

@DavidCarlisle ooh you little rascal. :)

egreg

22:06

@PauloCereda What else can two Englishmen and a German do?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

egreg

@PauloCereda High level discussions, I mean. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg of course. :) English or German beer? :)

egreg

@PauloCereda And of course, the final decision can come only after careful judgment. One glass isn't enough. Two? Oh, boy, don't be silly.

Who has to drive?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :) Do they play backgammon too? :)

David Carlisle

22:11

@PauloCereda well I thought it was at Frank's house which would suggest German, but he says it was in the UK, so it could have been English:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

22:28

@JosephWright: got Rayman Legends? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Not yet: my local shop had both Ni No Kuni and Ico available, so I splashed out and got them. They didn't have Rayman Legends, so it will wait until I've played those two (or three, depending how you count)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

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