Close tex.stackexchange.com/questions/217590/… as duplicate of tex.stackexchange.com/questions/44088?

@egreg I'm very sorry to disagree ;)

@ClaudioFiandrino Why?

@cfr I support AC Milan, egreg Juventus.. that say it all! From his point of view, however, probably AC Milan is a little bit better than International Milan only

@ClaudioFiandrino Kaká played for São Paulo in a couple of games this year, but apparently he was transferred to the American league. :)

»Also, 0 number near to 2000, but between across.«

@ClaudioFiandrino @egreg only follows Juventus during the off season, mostly he watches cricket.

Perhaps a silly question but, when I wrote a report and I find in my console errors like:

Overfull \vbox (0.84102pt too high) has occurred while \output is active

How do I trace where the error was produced if there's no line number or other indication where it went wrong?

@1010011010 it's in the output routine so most likely you have a large page header and not increased \headheight

@1010011010 if you increase \showboxdepth and \showboxbreadth (or just use \showoutput then the log will show the box contents

@DavidCarlisle Which typographical elements are typically part of the output routine? I know about figures and headers. What else?

@1010011010 footnotes, main body

@1010011010 anything that appears on the page. It's the bit that takes stuff off the main list, the page head and foot, any pending floats and footnotes and tries to make them fit the specified paper, in this case it failed.

@DavidCarlisle So what you're saying is that it could be anything on the page? Still seems like a hard task to get rid of the error then. Imagine a 200 page document..

Oh cripes I wish I'd tried to make ifthen at least slightly more efficient than it is. I never thought anyone would do

\newcommand{\journalname}{%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Actuators}}{Actuators}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{AdministrativeSciences}}{Adm. Sci.}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Aerospace}}{Aerospace}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Agriculture}}{Agriculture}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Agronomy}}{Agronomy}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Algorithms}}{Algorithms}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Animals}}{Animals}{}%
  \ifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{Antibiotics}}{Antibiotics}{}%

@1010011010 no it can't be anything in the body of the page that is a single item to the output routine.

@DavidCarlisle \usepackage{pgffor}\def\myifthenelse{\equal{\@journal}{#1}}{#1}{}\foreach{Actuat‌​ors,AdministrativeSciences etc. etc. etc. in \i}{\myifthenelse{\i}}, the direction is so easy that I don't see how it justifies more top level implementations for this kind of thing.

@DavidCarlisle So I'm looking for a box that "doesn't seem right".

@1010011010 as I said put \showoutput and then you get the extended form of the message which shows you the box contents

@1010011010 well i wouldn't do that :-) I don't think including half a million lines of pgf dependency to make a simple loop would count as an optimisation, why not use the loops that are built in to latex?

@DavidCarlisle It's just an example implementation... It takes five minutes to avoid the necessity of "making ifthen more efficient". Anyway, \showoutput is showing that input all right. I think it's my colorbox. Thanks.

Good maen

Hi

@ChristianHupfer @DavidCarlisle If this is a bug in marginnote (haven't had time to look at it), does any of you want to write a bug report?

@Johannes_B (@DavidCarlisle) I think, David has more knowledge on this, if one writes a report, he should do so (No, am not too lazy about this)

@Johannes_B yes, no

@DavidCarlisle Shall i?

@Johannes_B as far as i can see (I only looked for a couple of seconds it doesn't use \@parboxrestore so it picks up global settings

I never cited something non-articley in LaTeX so far. How do I cite e.g. "John Doe (2014). (oral communications)"?

@1010011010 just stick it in your bib file as misc, unless your bib style has more specific entry types

I had to laugh when i saw the following addressed to @egreg

@Johannes_B LOL

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the +1. Maybe I should actually learn CWEB now.

Knuth's CWEB version of "Adventure": literateprogramming.com/adventure.pdf

@egreg shame about the tick for the theorem question...

@DavidCarlisle No taste. By the way, theorem just had a bug fix recently, but it's largely outdated and perhaps ntheorem is better, although I prefer amsthm.

@egreg like most of the tools directory;-)

@JosephWright just trying to chivy things along a bit, or it'll be next year before we realise:-)

For some unexplainable reason \usepackage[natbibapa]{apacite} redefined regular \cite to \citeA in \usepackage{apacite} (without the natbib option). Is this normal?

Basically, my citations are now: Doe (2014) instead of (Doe, 2014). And I cannot explain why.

@1010011010 is that the apa style (I have no idea) but it seems like the kind of change you'd expect journal citation option.

@DavidCarlisle The manual states the only difference is that natbib is loaded for additional citation commands like \citet{}, the way you're used to with natbib.

@1010011010 I don't know APA style, but in Chicago style you would use Doe (2014) if the article was the object of the sentence, and the other version if the whole citation was grammatically parenthetical. E.g., For more information see Doe (2014). vs That theory has been refuted (Doe 2014).

@AndrewCashner I've used regular \cite{doe14} and it produces the Doe (2014). I cannot reproduce your second example with any citation command.

@1010011010 I was just speaking to citation style. I don't know how to configure that in TeX (I use biblatex-chicago).

@1010011010 Are you submitting to a journal? Or are you free to choose? If yes, go with biblatex. Much more features there and the change costs nearly null effort.

@Johannes_B I'm free to choose, but a cookie cutter package would be such a relief.

@1010011010 What is a cookie cutter package?

@Johannes_B Something that just requires me to write \usepackage{doitthewayigoddamnwantit} and magically it'll read my mind and cite the way I want.

@1010011010 that's the wrong approach, you are supposed to just use \cite and be happy with whatever comes out.

@1010011010 biblatex follows \usepackage[style=thegodduckstyleiwant, doi=false]{biblatex}. But magically citing, once as the object of the sentence, that is you responsibility.

@DavidCarlisle What would be the close reason here? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/217666/…

@DavidCarlisle I can do one or the other. If I load natbibapa, it'll always cite in the \citep{} fashion, e.g. Doe (2014). If I don't, it'll always cite (Doe, 2014), and there's no option to get the output of Doe (2014) (as far as I know).

@1010011010 Do I need to post the quote from Knuth again about computers only doing what we tell them to do? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18983340#18983340

@Johannes_B I thought the OP was going to delete rather than close but close as "off topic as it was a user error now fixed by OP" perhaps

@AndrewCashner Come on, am I that unfunny? :(

@DavidCarlisle I just wait a bit. Closing it in a day or with the next AtuA if not deleted already suffices, i think.

@1010011010 Sorry, I didn't mean to lecture. Citation styles are super frustrating.

@Johannes_B sounds good

@DavidCarlisle Agreed

@DavidCarlisle We have most of the code for allocations and lccodes ready so it's more a policy question in that area

Just over 196,000 seconds until Winterbash 2014. :-O

winterbash2014.stackexchange.com

@SamWhited you can't win

@SamWhited in the case of hyperref it might be better to delay to begin document rather than end of package

@SamWhited because if a user has \usepackage{samspackage} \usepackage[stuff]{hyperref} it will be an option clash if you have already loaded hyperef with no options

@DavidCarlisle You cannot imagine how annoyed i am by stuff like that. Users in panic which should just Calm the DUCK DOWN!!

@Johannes_B I voted to close as dup and he deleted the previous q so the dup link vanished:-)

@DavidCarlisle Wanted to link the other and noticed it. The snippet he has there is by @stefan.

@DavidCarlisle Do you remember earlier?

@Johannes_B there are of course the ones under his previous user name

@DavidCarlisle There have been more? Can you give me a link?

@JosephWright you should finish xor: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/217723/…

@DavidCarlisle o.O I did not realize that this is the same dude.

@DavidCarlisle Oddly enough, I've more-or-less decided that it is down to me and am making a serious start on the job

@Johannes_B not definite but same manner, same data in examples....

@JosephWright I did notice some svn movement;-)

@Johannes_B It is

@DavidCarlisle I'm going to go with the same plan I did for xparse: some work in private but with tidy-ups where needed

@DavidCarlisle xmarks doesn't make sense as a separate package: I'm going to run everything into one using DocStrip

@JosephWright I never did understand xparse after it was tidied;-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Does work though, doesn't it :-)

@JosephWright I had thought about starting moving the patch stuff into the dtx files this afternoon (I was off work) but wasn't sure if that's really the plan...

@DavidCarlisle Well yes that would help

@JosephWright doing the work, or having a plan?

@DavidCarlisle The two tasks really are to get everything 'up to standard' in expl3 terms and dealing the various 'THIS DOESN'T WORK: CHECK' comments

I can answer it even after my glass of wine on the train. :P

@egreg Don't worry: @DavidCarlisle and I are finally getting round to xor ;-)

@DavidCarlisle But first, of course, the LaTeX2e update

Going to be fun

@egreg well it was intended as a challenge:-) ah but that's just like mine but packaged up, what I had in mind was what the Op asked which is tying the page style to that float which means (probably) hiding code in the depth of the box or some such so you know which float it is when processing the lists in the output routine

.. or using the xor float structure where you knw much more about each float and where it's floating to...

@DavidCarlisle So we just have to get it production-ready

@egreg 160? you should drink less wine

@PauloCereda OOOHHH, wanna know what just appeared on my youtube front page?

@Johannes_B A duck!

Whee, SVG filters are fun; I made a SNES controller: codepen.io/morbusg/full/qEZNNQ

@JosephWright Watch the video at your own risk. :-) I regret that i heard it.

@Johannes_B It's a relative of his, he'll be OK

@morbusg sweet!

@SamWhited Have some wisdom from Brent :)

@DavidCarlisle What about the song? This stucks to your head.

@Johannes_B maybe it's in duck's heads all the time anyway. (but I didn't play it so perhaps I mis-remember;-)

@DavidCarlisle I just saw here on a soda bottle that it contains 1 litre, along with a pictogram that this means 4 glasses of 250 ml. Do you guys in britain have that?

Well, guys, i have to waddle away. See you.

@Johannes_B not as far as I know, but probably:-)

@Johannes_B Germans are notoriously bad in multiplications and divisions. ;-)

@egreg mactex and tikz-cd tick for me:-)

@DavidCarlisle mactex???? Removed the tag. ;-)

@egreg do I lose the mactex points in that case, i can't remember.

@DavidCarlisle The answer doesn't count for the tag badges

@DavidCarlisle See? @JosephWright voted for me and not for you. :P

@egreg boo

findtheinvisiblecow.com

@percusse Addicting ;-)

@percusse Hilarious! And quickly annoying for the folks around you...

@Werner sorry but had to roll back:-)

@DavidCarlisle Mortar, mortar, mortar... brick, mortar, mortar, mortar.

@Werner more educational to just dump running code with no mortar and let people investiate:-)

@DavidCarlisle Ys t s.

@Werner you'll never beat @tohecz at the no vowels game

@DavidCarlisle Crbppls!

@Werner @tohecz knows much longer devowelized words.

@Werner He even maintains they mean something!

@egreg Devowelized words...errrmmm... Dvwlzd wrds... that sounds like an expl3 macro \dvwlzdwrds... @DavidCarlisle, there's your first question. Ask it!

@DavidCarlisle If you're really badge-hungry, check this one out: student. There are others as well.

@Werner can't be expl3 there's no _ it must be plain tex, where's wipet when we need him:-0

@Werner you'd probably all downvote me and I wouldn't get the required score

Strange how Why do people still use Postscript? got to ~3K views in one day, while Who Wants to Win another LaTeX Book? is only creeping up to 500 after 2 days...

@egreg @Werner :)

@Werner ¿uoıʇsǝnb ɐ ʞsɐ noʎ op ʍoɥ

@DavidCarlisle ...sorry, that should have been a reference to student...

@Werner so i guessed

@DavidCarlisle You investigated! Practising what you preach... good student.

@egreg Sure :) @Dav @Wer

@DavidCarlisle ˙ʎsɐǝ ןɐǝɹ s,ʇı ˙˙˙uoʇʇnq uoıʇsǝnb ɐ ʞsɐ ɥǝʇ uo ʞɔıןɔ

@Werner never seen such a button

@DavidCarlisle: This works like a charm!

@Werner the one in the question on site today is cheesygames.com/upside-down-text

@Werner 𝔟𝔲𝔱 𝔠𝔞𝔫 𝔦𝔱 𝔡𝔬 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔰

@DavidCarlisle Haha, even better. It changes a :) into a (:

@DavidCarlisle Have you noticed what happens when you type Lalalalala?

@DavidCarlisle I can't read this one...

@Werner get some proper fonts (it's Fraktur math aphabet:-)