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12:57 AM
I liked your talk very much @PauloCereda, but I absolutely lost it here:
> I am open to questions as long as they are not about emacs
 
 
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3:12 AM
@HarishKumar Do we have an imposter or is that a valid variation of the name?
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A: Documenting on code revisions

hraish kumarI strongly suggest that the comments be embedded in the code, not in a separate document. Inevitably, when it comes time to revise the code, you, or the person who inherits the code, will not be able to find whatever external document you use for your comments. Also, if they refer to things like ...

 
3:48 AM
hi all could you please help me for my problem in LyX
 
@user3892439 Ask on the main site – unfortunately there aren't too many with a lot of experience with LyX
 
I asked
but no help yet
 
Link?
 
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Q: Unusual formatting in LYX

user3892439I am writing my survey report using LYX. In my bibliography section, there is unusual behavior in my pdf. One reference has gone away from where it should have stooped. This is the issue You can see that one line is out of standard formatting. Why does this happen? I can I solve this problem. ...

 
@user3892439 Also, do yourself a favor – put \usepackage{microtype} into the document's preamble :)
 
 
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5:08 AM
hey anyone there
 
5:35 AM
Hello?
 
hi I have a problem with urls in latex
can you help me
 
 
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7:42 AM
> The findings from Rosetta's mission to the duck-shaped comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko complicate not just the question of the origin of Earth's water but our understanding of comets.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-12-mystery-earth-deepens.html#jCp
@Paulo ^^ :)
 
@tohecz Knowledge brings fear, as Futurama wisely says. :)
 
@PauloCereda well, especially if ducks are involved :D
 
@tohecz ooh lotsa them! :)
 
7:56 AM
@SeanAllred <3
 
8:09 AM
@ClaudioFiandrino: so you are a Kaká fan? :)
F21 installed in my laptop. Quite impressive!
 
@PauloCereda wow that's some good gadget:
 
@tohecz oopsie. :P
 
8:26 AM
ok, gotta go, see you in from Prague :)
 
@tohecz Have a nice flight, Tom!
 
@ChristianHupfer There are much more interesting things on earth. Though, many many things that are not as interesting as geology.
 
8:42 AM
Did everyone see the mail from TUG abut membership?
For those who didn't:
Dear TUG member,

Maybe you use TeX and friends in your work, or maybe you appreciate
the beauty and power of the systems, or maybe you just like working
with systems that are free for everyone, but the availability of TeX
and friends matters to you.

To continue to thrive, and to grow for the future, TeX needs support.
This includes support for the maintenance of the current releases -- the
software that you're using now -- and for the continuing progress of
actively-developed systems such as XeTeX and LuaTeX. For thirty-five
3
 
9:02 AM
@JosephWright I am a TUG member for almost a year, but i never got a mail from them. Nor the stuff i need to read TUGboat online.
 
@Johannes_B Let Robin (office@tug.org) know
 
@JosephWright Seems like a good idea, but that means i have to write a mail ...
»It is in the documentation on page 12.« is just as bad as writing »It is in Hamlet, page 35.«
 
9:18 AM
Hey, quick question: how do I edit the string printed in the ToC without changing the name of the section?
 
@Argo optional argument -> \section[toc and head]{title in document}
 
@Johannes_B Awesome, thanks!
 
9:48 AM
@Johannes_B ?
 
@SeanAllred Sean, r and a reversed. So not my name ;-)
 
@JosephWright Don't you think? A page reference is useless without telling the version.
 
@Johannes_B Well yes but some packages have been unchanged for >15 years, at which point it's not so likely anyone will have a different version
 
@JosephWright True, very true. But even if it is unlikely, it is a bad habit not to give proper references. Especially with packages like KOMA that undergo pretty big changes in the documentation.
 
 
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11:32 AM
Hi guys, I've got a small question
when typing up latex documents, I often want to force a certain amount of white space underneath a paragraph
I used to to this using something like
\\ and then a white line in my source
however, this gives rise to the well-known 'bad box' error message, so now I've decided I should stop doing it. Is any of you able to tell me the correct way to do such things?
 
@Danu End paragraphs by leaving a blank line; if you want some more space, add \medskip or \bigskip after that blank line.
 
@egreg okay, skip commands. I'll give it a shot
 
@Danu It should be like the following
 
\bigskip seems pretty ok
 
here ends a paragraph.

\medskip

Here starts another one
@Danu I suggest \medskip.
 
11:36 AM
@egreg ah, another whiteline after medskip
hmm, it seems a little small to me (the extra whiteline doesn't matter apparently)
 
@Danu That's not really necessary, but it better marks up the input file
@Danu \medskip is small but noticeable. A whole blank line is too much.
 
@egreg hmm... I guess I'll take your advice
 
@Danu Non intrusive typography. ;-)
 
@egreg you should see my source code, it's so ugly you'd have a heart attack :)
 
@Danu Please, don't show it! :-D
 
11:39 AM
QFT calculations require really long equations which are really ugly in the source
 
12:00 PM
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A: Who Wants to Win another LaTeX Book?

egreg87 (my current rep modulo 1000)

 
Good maen
 
@egreg: Not fair, you will change your number soon. :)
@ChristianHupfer Hi. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Ah, Araraman is online :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
@PauloCereda It doesn't matter he won't win anyway, the prize is mine.
 
12:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
12:35 PM
@PauloCereda More rapidly than @DavidCarlisle, sure.
 
@egreg :P
 
 
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1:45 PM
@egreg <insert my entire Italian vocabulary>
@PauloCereda is "You're supposed to use vim" the answer to this? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/217526/…
 
2:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer If you have half an hour time: golatex.de/viewtopic,p,66821.html#66821
 
2:24 PM
how to force me to update my package on CTAN:
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Q: LuaLatex, \includespread and libreoffice table with %

MarcI've using LuaLatex for the last couple of days and been enjoying it despite of lack of documentation on \includespread. Nevertheless, got it to work for tables that don't have a percentage value (e.g.: 10% in a cell). Is this a bug or a feature? How can I include a spreadsheet with percentage v...

 
@michal.h21 it's much easier maintaining packages if there are no users
 
@DavidCarlisle yeah, unfortunately even my packages which aren't on CTAN have users. I am doomed :(
 
3:30 PM
on more serious note, I have finally started to work on some wiki for tex4ht, I am writing some tutorial at the moment:
any comments, bug reports and ideas what to cover are highly welcomed
and of course grammar checking, as I am not native English speaker
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my!
 
4:00 PM
What should we do with this fellow?
I do not use LaTeX, as I said I am a complete layman on this issues. I am a student of linguistics who needed to create a non-existent symbol/character for a paper I have to write. Yet, JohnKormylo really worked it out, and @LaRiFaRi "reshaped it" marvelously, so it looks just like any other character. So for me to do the same next time, I would like to have some basic guidelines on how to proceed: what software to use, how to get different fonts etc. — GEORGE JUNG 1 min ago
 
Good maen ...
@Johannes_B: Now, what's the issue there? Usage of templates or not?
 
@ChristianHupfer Thought you might find it interesting.
 
@Johannes_B: It is... I don't like templates :D
 
 
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5:11 PM
Quite today.
 
@DavidCarlisle FYI, after some 16 hours aggregated struggle, I have TeX Live installed and working under a working 64-bit Cygwin installation. l3build is working. But the amount of stuff I had to adjust was awful: Cygwin has no option to ""reproduce" this list of installs, I had to fix the fonts to access my installed fonts, I had to fix some outputfiles variable to allow --auxdir=(dot)auxfiles, a million bits of broken glass.
A major technical triumph, but I feel like Leonardo da Vinci, I haven't the slightest idea how to do it again if I need to
 
@Brent.Longborough welcome to my world:-)
@Brent.Longborough @JosephWright will be happy to hear the l3build bits work though
 
@DavidCarlisle Lol. The Cygwin installer needs a command line, like tlmgr
@DavidCarlisle Yep, clean as a whistle. Mind you, the whole thing feels a lot slower than native Windows (xetex and l3build both)
 
@Brent.Longborough possibly, I never tried the native windows version
 
@DavidCarlisle I might try a benchmark (of the amateur sort)
 
5:35 PM
Is the login for meta.TeX broken? I'm online in TeX, but can't be logged in in meta.tex. Do you have the same problem?
 
@Kurt everything ok here
 
I suppose there's no need for a tag when apparently means the same thing by default. Nine votes for the question and 26 for the answer, with no research effort or really a specific question about TeXnique. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/217508/…
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On the other hand I am delighted to see a CWEB question with an answer written by Donald Knuth himself! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/212828/…
 
@AndrewCashner get used to this. That's it.
 
@tohecz funny. I'm not able to chose my number 13. Because I can't log in. Would be interesting to know why ...
 
5:51 PM
@tohecz I suppose the argument would be that tikz is best learned by example. Or perhaps that such questions are more like code-golf challenges for fun. But I do worry that users take advantage of the community in these questions.
 
@AndrewCashner it's been discussed zillions of times before here, the main reason is: They are visually appealing and easy to understand.
 
@tohecz Yeah, I know it's an old issue. Maybe these answers make TeX more attractive to people who didn't realize that such things could be done with it.
 
@Brent.Longborough Copy the cmd line history, then edit it?
 
@FaheemMitha Unfortunately not; a lot of the work was tinkering around in editors. Most of the command line was "do this build; o damn it's still broken"
@DavidCarlisle I may have been predisposed by my accumulated rage. Typesetting looks about equal, but my l3build check option (admittedly in just a single case) took 12 secomds Win native, 18 seconds Cyg 64
 
6:09 PM
@AndrewCashner well, just conclude for yourself that rep is a useless number, and you'll be happy
 
@tohecz It's more of an integrity issue, where I don't think we should be doing people's work for them. Showing someone how to format something is one thing, but giving an entire image is another. I wonder how many people even use the tikz code, or if they just use the provided image. \end{complaint}
 
@AndrewCashner well, I ignore these questions; problem solved.
 
@tohecz A useful strategy. There's no reason I need to worry about it.
@tohecz Do you ever use lyric elisions (e.g., cie -- lo~y tie -- rra) in lilypond? If so, do you know how to keep the elision undertie from colliding with the lyric text?
 
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Q: What purpose does the list of tables and figures serve, and how can I make them more useful?

FelixLarge documents (a thesis for example) have lists of tables and figures after the table of contents. What purpose does this list serve to the reader? Most technical books I have don't include them, and I feel like most people skip right over them. Is there a reason to include these lists? How c...

 
@Johannes_B Off topic. I didn't vote yet.
 
6:39 PM
@Brent.Longborough oh
@AndrewCashner Is it common to ask for TikZ images with no attempt at code?
 
6:54 PM
@Faheem Exceedingly common!
We should port this as a tikz question: mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/66538/…
 
@AndrewCashner LOL
But unfair: \usetikzlibrary{buttocks}
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@Paulo !!! Of course there needs to be a whole buttocks library to choose from.
 
@AndrewCashner :)
 
@PauloCereda Ask the author of this one
 
@AndrewCashner Well, that is not ideal, certainly.
 
7:02 PM
@egreg Obviously produced with pstricks
 
No backlash, a la Stack Overflow? "We Don't Write Your Scripts for You!"
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
@AndrewCashner In the 24th Century, they'll make animated porn films using the 24th Century version of TikZ. Which will incorporate AI
 
@Faheem All you need to do is change "they'll" to "how can I" and you will be able to post our site's next high-voted question.
 
@egreg: mathematicians strike again: foxnews.com/story/2006/04/13/… :)
 
7:05 PM
@AndrewCashner lol
 
@AndrewCashner Once I was looking at the Venus and I saw a Japanese guy who was taking photos; he took several from behind. ;-) There's also this one at Naples:
 
@egreg ooh I heard about this one from QI. :)
 
The Venus Callipyge, also known as the Aphrodite Kallipygos (Greek: Ἀφροδίτη Καλλίπυγος) or the Callipygian Venus, all literally meaning "Venus (or Aphrodite) of the beautiful buttocks", is an Ancient Roman marble statue, thought to be a copy of an older Greek original. In an example of anasyrma, it depicts a partially draped woman, raising her light peplos to uncover her hips and buttocks, and looking back and down over her shoulder, perhaps to evaluate them. The subject is conventionally identified as Venus (Aphrodite), though it may equally be a portrait of a mortal woman. The marble statue...
 
@Paulo \usetikzlibrary[jiggle=true]{mixalot}
 
@AndrewCashner LOL
@percusse: sir, sir, we are talking about buttocks!
 
7:25 PM
see you all later. lunchtime.
 
@PauloCereda the early plumbers :)
Buttock cleavage is minor exposure of the buttocks and the buttcrack between them, often because of low-slung or loose trousers. The crena is another formal term for the cleft between the buttocks, and the medical term is posterior rugae. == History == When faced with indecency issues back in the 1930s, W.G. Cassidy explained in an essay titled Private Parts: A Judicial View that exposure of a buttock cleavage may come under "other private parts" in Australian law, though indecency generally involves exposure of the genital area. In the early 2000s it became fashionable for young women and men...
 
7:43 PM
@AndrewCashner no, but I personally prefer cie -- "lo y" tie -- rra
 
 
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8:44 PM
@tohecz Did you travel well?
 
@egreg yep, everything's ok :)
 
@tohecz Welcome home!
 
@egreg thanks :)
 
@PauloCereda Correct!!
He was a great player in those years... Consider I had the 22 as number when I played in the football team
 
So, has everyone got on and made sure their TUG membership is up to date?
 
8:59 PM
@JosephWright not yet
 
 
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10:32 PM
Hi
I have the following message when I want to compile my Latex file
what is the reason ?
 
@barznjy MikTeX wants to install a package and Windows suck. Yes you generally want to allow that.
 
@tohecz Yes I choose "Yes" but every time it comes back
 
@ClaudioFiandrino Great player, for the wrong team. ;-)
 
@barznjy that's wrong. It's been asked before on the site, and basically it's an issue with MikTeX's on-the-fly package managing. Sorry, I can't be more helpful since I'm a linux user (and I would never get MikTeX, needed to say, but it's just a personal choice)
 
@tohecz Thank you very much
 
10:41 PM
Somewhere available via texdoc there is Knuth's development log for the project. I saw it once upon a time, but it's lost to memory. Perhaps someone knows where it is. — Sean Allred 12 secs ago
@barznjy It may be asking for permission for every package it needs. Best thing to do would be to kill/cancel the process and install all available packages via miktex's package manager (which you can start with admin powers)
 
@SeanAllred How to install all packages?
 
@barznjy I don't use windows either, but this will help you
presumably you should be able to 'select all' or something similar and then start the installation. beware though – it will take some time depending on your internet speeds
 
@SeanAllred For me it's at /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/source/generic/knuth/errata . The complete log is also in the book "Literate Programming"
@SeanAllred Actually, that's the error log for the TeXbook, I see. "Literate Programming" is the place to go.
 
@AndrewCashner Mhmm. I opened it up and realized that it wasn't what I'd seen before, but it's an interesting layout :)
 
@SeanAllred Don't know why I never thought to do texdoc tex before.
 
10:50 PM
@AndrewCashner Isn't it fascinating??
 
@SeanAllred My fascination with DK is bordering on the unhealthy.
 
Found it!
texdoc errorlog
 
@SeanAllred !! I love the top of page 6. "For the first time I can glimpse the hairines sof alignment in general [...] 11:30 pm Went to bed. // 19 Mar 1978 - Woke up with "better" idea on how to handle & and \cr.[...] But replaced this by a much better idea [...] 11pm Began to use computer."
 
@AndrewCashner It's hilarious through and through :)
 
@SeanAllred "Seven-and-a-half hours debugging today"
have a good night
 
11:08 PM
@AndrewCashner Goodnight, Andrew :)
 
11:20 PM
 

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