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12:05 AM
@egreg some dirty stuff here, more an IQ test than a TeX thingy: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/94919/…
 
@tohecz It's always fun to get the expansion details in clever macros
 
@egreg this one is really nice :)
 
@egreg especially when the long answer gives you a chance of getting a tick that would otherwise have gone to the existing answer to that question:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You're too lazy. ;-)
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@DavidCarlisle But it seems that the OP is trying to do much more than his/her abilities allow for (see question about \makeatletter).
 
12:23 AM
@egreg can I increase a penalty of space in a part of a paragraph? I have a centered list of names and I would like to prevent break between First name(s) and Surname, as long as the whole name fits into one line.
 
@tohecz \nolinebreak[3]?
 
@egreg and automatically? I mean, like \printauthor{#1} where #1->Tom Hejda
If you don't know a really simple way, I'll ask a question on the site
 
@tohecz This is one for David. :)
 
@egreg kk, you mean for @David ? :)
 
@tohecz Yes.
\def\printauthor#1{\printauthoraux#1 @ }
\def\printauthoraux#1 {#1 \printauthorauxi}
\def\printauthorauxi#1 {\ifx@#1\else \nolinebreak[3]#1\expandafter\printauthorauxi\fi}
 
12:41 AM
@tohecz Oh, oh.. I not have a rep of "66666". :-) Hope that is not a sign of anything..
 
user image
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@PeterGrill you did IIRC ;)
 
@PeterGrill Let's keep it for the posterity (if any).
 
@egreg "if any"
@tohecz Well the Google images that come up are rather interesting :-)
 
@egreg thanks, I'll test it tomorrow, I haven't slept for more than 7 hours a night in the last almost 2 weeks. Gladly our lab is closed for 2 weeks;)
@PeterGrill for what query?
 
12:45 AM
@tohecz 66666
 
@tohecz It assumes @ doesn't appear as an initial, which seems rather safe. :)
@PeterGrill Chuck Norris!
 
@egreg yeah it prbably is. I use @ as a label of corresponding author's email hoping noone would use it to ref-label an affiliation
 
@tohecz Use any normal character that you know won't appear; also ? might be good.
It doesn't work if one has only one name.
 
@egreg Hmmm.. I think the Google knows me the, either that or your results are different based on the country..
 
@egreg yeah, or something TeX will throw an error if used
@PeterGrill the results are country based. And moreover you cannot (fucking stupid thing) force google to behave Czech if you're in France
btw, "safesearch off" adds some nice results :D still, I don't understand what "66666" has in common with all these almost-naked gals
 
12:51 AM
@tohecz Well there are ways around it, but is different depending on where you are coming from and where you want to get to. For instance in Canada I had difficulty getting to Google.com as it took me to google.ca. So instead I went to news.google.com and form there I was able to redirect to google.com.. Not sure if that trick still works, but you try going to the google Czech news site...
@tohecz me neither... Looks like Google knows too much... Not sure why egreg got Chuck Norris though... Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with that (Sienfeld reference in case it is not obvious).
 
@egreg considering I'm inside centering: setting positive \linepenalty and adding \penalty-\linepenalty in between the authors might work, nah?
@PeterGrill just an example for all: I use different firefox profile for some shopping, yet facebook offers me ads that are obviously biased by this shopping
 
@tohecz \linepenalty is a parameter and it's about page breaking.
 
@egreg really? I thought it's added to every line
 
@tohecz Well Facebook probably has some agreements with Merchants and they share info. Besides using a different browser you need to use one that you do NOT log into Facebook with.
 
@tohecz Right; it's a parameter that influences the number of line in a paragraph. However it's automatically inserted and doing \penalty-\linepenalty is nonsense
 
12:56 AM
@PeterGrill I do not use FCB on the 2nd account at all. I suppose it is based on an IP correlation
 
@egreg yes I noticed that. I think I'll stick to copying pictures from wikipedia
 
@tohecz Yeah that too...
@DavidCarlisle excellent answer BTW. :-) I was going to post a link to a YouTube video but didn't want to compete with you. :-)
 
Bed time, good night.
 
@egreg night
 
@egreg David's too busy trying not to make webkit totally mess up:-)
@tohecz it's the penalty for breaking the page between lines of the paragraph (only one value for whole para)
 
1:02 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh ok, thx
 
@PeterGrill you know you can't compete with me:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I do now... :-)
 
is there then a way for a simple <space> to have a positive penalty and \myspace to have 0 penalty?
 
how come two people starred egreg's hurtful comment about me? (since it wasn't me and couldn't be egreg, I Know who you are...)
@tohecz not without making it active I think, you can make \myspace have -ve penalty of course
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, but that would likely introduce unnecessary breaks, which I want to prevent. It seems that for now I will keep my \hbox{#1} and once someone with a long name publishes his article in our journal, I'll do something about it.
 
1:09 AM
@tohecz Since you are not expecting many spaces you could instead of \hbox{#1} do \zz#1 \relax where \zz is a space delimited macro (like latex's zap@space except it puts the space back with a penalty and iterates until it sees the relax
 
@DavidCarlisle yeah, that's something egreg came with, as I say, I let it be for now. Anyways, I'm the ruler and I can change it whenever I want :D
 
 
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2:20 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ohhh, which comment is that? I obviously missed staring it. :-)
 
does anybody here use emacs to edit LaTeX?
 
2:43 AM
@Gnintendo is there any other possibility?
@Gnintendo I'm off to bed, if you have any emacs questions ask @PauloCereda in the morning.
 
3:39 AM
What is the equivalent of MikTeX's texify --clean in texlive? I'm interested in the --clean part mainly, i.e. do not leave junk in the directory
 
 
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5:37 AM
@tohecz Maybe you mean \interlinepenalty?
@DavidCarlisle Er, no, \linepenalty is meant to minimise the number of lines in a paragraph, so it's related to paragraph breaking.
 
 
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6:50 AM
Implementing LaTeX in Javascript? Some people have funny ideas: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/36/…
Is there a complete implementation of LaTex in a more user-friendly language? E.g. Python, Javascript, etc? Thanks — Honza Pokorny Jan 17 '12 at 18:10
 
@Szabolcs Take a look at latexmk or arara. There was a question, give me second I'll find a link.
 
@MartinScharrer What about github.com/manuels/texlive.js ?
 
@StephanLehmke @tohecz oops sorry Stephen is more awake at 5.30 than I am at 1
@MartinScharrer MathJax seems quite popular....
 
7:27 AM
If I'm using fancyhdr, is there a way to make \headheight update automatically based on the contents of the header? (The documentation suggests it is sometimes necessary/beneficial to increase it manually)
 
7:46 AM
@jtbandes The issue is less about \headheight than about \textheight, which would need to decrease accordingly. But the order of processing is (a) cut off a chunk of content according to \textheight to make up the page (b) extract the marks from this chunk of content (c) build the heading content from these marks (d) construct the page from page content and headings. So there's a temporal paradoxon lurking in your question....
 
8:24 AM
@MartinScharrer I wonder if you've got anything to add to meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3195/…?
 
 
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9:27 AM
@StephanLehmke @tohecz that's what I had in my head of course, also (and probably more relevant) is \interlinepenalties which makes me realise I don't list the etex extended penalty lists in my answer here, I should probably update it tex.stackexchange.com/questions/51263/…
 
hi guys =)
 
9:45 AM
@DavidCarlisle Well, if you only talk about math, then JavaScript is fine. But that is not what I think when someone talks about "LaTeX". You can't produce a full document using JavaScript.
 
@MartinScharrer There are pretty much full pdf renderers written in javascript, full xslt-2 engines written in javascript, and Stephen pointed to a git project that appears to be porting the texlive executables to javascript, It may not be quite there yet but there isn't any reason at all why it can't be done (and it would likely be orders of magnitude faster than latex was when I started to use it)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I just saw @Stephan's link. That's standalone javascript or what? AFAIK javascript is not allowed to write files when executed in a browser. I didn't even know it had file IO at all.
 
@MartinScharrer Haven't looked what that does, It can't write files but it can generate pdf (of just dom directly) and render them, if you can go from tex source to rendered view in real time you don't need an output file exactly
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, if you look at it from this point.
 
@MartinScharrer welcome to the web:-)
 
9:55 AM
The OP of the comment was asking about "a more userfriendly programming language" and from this point of view it doesn't make much sense too me.
For LaTeX you need TeX and then it doesn't matter if you have the TeX compiler in WEB, C or Javascript.
 
@MartinScharrer You mean having to write tex macros and then have a gazillian lines of javascript interpret them as DOM calls to render a page isn't the idea of friendly javascript programming he had in mind, shame:-)
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@DavidCarlisle Indeed
Have to go now. Talk to you later.
 
Yay, I got my second yearling badge!
 
10:10 AM
are there any possible compatibility issues with switching between MiKTeX and Texlive? is this worth a question?
 
@Rico I don't think you'll encounter any problems. :)
 
@PauloCereda I haven't noticed any but I thought I better ask before stumbling into serious problems ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle Speaking of gazilians, I once heard the following joke:
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."
"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"
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@PauloCereda LOL
 
@StephanLehmke Not so funny for the 3 soldiers though :(
 
10:19 AM
@DavidCarlisle I don't believe they were killed specifically for this joke.
 
@DavidCarlisle No soldiers were actually harmed in the making of this joke. :)
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And according to some unproven facts, when Brazil and US fought together in WWII, the US soldiers played a trick on the Brazilian side by stealing some of their food. The Brazilian commander reported the incident to the US commander, which laughed and said, "This is a war, not a party." Two days after, the US commander came to talk to the Brazilian commander saying, "Here's the food. Now, for God's sake, please give us our tank back." :)
 
11:18 AM
max reputation per day is 200, right?
found it at the faq =)
 
@Rico Sort-of
 
@JosephWright next time I'll read it carefully...
@JosephWright for now all I can say in self-defense is:
 
11:49 AM
@JosephWright Thanks. I didn't know that the units were also boxed. I've already removed the comment anyway :-)
It would be a feature request but in the lines of csquotes package, maybe you can introduce a punctuation option, empty by default, such that it can be fed into the box.
 
12:32 PM
@tohecz Hi!. How should I write Vladimir Kucera correctly?
I've seen breves and carons mixed, though I think it's a caron.
 
earned at least 200 reputation on 6 days
Epic badge, here I go. :)
 
@PauloCereda thumbs up
 
@Rico hi five!
 
@PauloCereda =)
@PauloCereda have you seen this:
just found it online and was pretty amazed =)
 
@Rico Cool! I think someone posted a link here, but it got buried into the archive. :)
 
12:43 PM
hehe =) can you tell me how to bookmark whole conversations?
 
Simon the Sorcerer font = Uncial!
 
@percusse which number is this?
 
@Rico 95
lower right corner
Comic Sans is missing
 
@percusse found it =) right the simon sorcerer font looks pretty similar =)
 
@percusse Niiiiice.
 
12:58 PM
@percusse Vladim\'ir Ku\v cera (if he's Czech)
 
@tohecz Thank you. He is.
 
@percusse ok. As long as he's not Кучеров :D
 
I'm Czech too.
:)
 
!!/eightball Is it too early for coffee?
 
@PauloCereda how comes?
 
1:05 PM
Must be asleep
 
@LordStryker Oh wait, the bot is disabled. :)
 
Oh god, I need this thing @PauloCereda...
 
@tohecz I'm not. :( I have three vowels in my name!
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good morning! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
@LordStryker: The bot is back. :)
 
:77961!!/cricket
 
@PauloCereda I have two, but the name is shorter... and Kučera has 3 as well as you
 
1:07 PM
@tohecz What is it then Vladimíra Kučery?
 
@DavidCarlisle fail! :D
 
!!/cricket
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Mid West Rhinos 279/10  v Mashonaland Eagles 166/10 &  1 *
- Ruhuna 219/10  v Kandurata-Uva Combined 162/4 *
- Uthura-Neganahira Combined 190/3 * v Wayamba 188/10
- India 162/4 * v England 257/7
- Barisal Burners 167/8 * v Rangpur Riders 174/4
- Western Cape Invitation XI 3 * v England Under-19s 132/7
- Khulna Royal Bengals 97/4 * v Sylhet Royals
- New South Wales v Western Australia

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
@tohecz <3
Oh no, England lost!
!!/fencing
 
!!/eightball Is it too early for coffee?
 
@LordStryker **Psmith, the TeX bot:** The great *8-ball* says: my reply is no.
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last fencing results:

- Oh dear, nothing happened so far.

Our fencing expert Alan might explain these results later on.
 
1:08 PM
@percusse 2nd case of "Vladimír Kučera"
 
@PauloCereda pay attention, game still in play (and 257 is bigger than 162)
 
I wish you had a bot for horseracing. There was a great IRC channel years ago that did that.
 
Damn, nothing happens in the fencing world.
@DavidCarlisle But the asterisk is in the other side! :)
 
@tohecz Hmm. Don't know what a case is though.
 
@percusse declination of nouns?
 
1:09 PM
!!/eightball Am I Czech?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't you think emacs is great?
 
lol!
You must not be
 
Stupid bot.
 
@LordStryker exactly!
 
@PauloCereda Allow me to point you to ---> ancestry.com
 
@Paulo is Czech if and only if emacs is great :)
 
1:10 PM
@tohecz Which we both know is a false statement. :)
 
@tohecz I despise emacs :\
 
@PauloCereda probably to indicate that India are still playing?
 
@DavidCarlisle wait, India is playing but England is not?
 
@DavidCarlisle Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on. :)
 
Well, I don't despise emacs, I dislike any other editor as much as I love vim...
 
1:11 PM
@tohecz So it is of V. Kucera, right?
 
@tohecz Well, till now I was convinced Paulo is Brazilian. But if logic is not deceiving, he really must be Czech.
 
!!/eightball Is the game still on?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my reply is no.
 
@percusse yeah, possibly, "of" is one of the prepositions ot the 2nd case ;)
 
@egreg I don't even know how to say duck in Czech. I bet there are no vowels in the word. :)
 
@PauloCereda you mean he-duck, she-duck or child-duck? :)
 
1:13 PM
@tohecz Wow! too confusing. :)
 
@tohecz both sides still playing but only the batting side can score anything, it's a one day game so England have scored 257 and India then have 50 overs (300 balls) to score that many to win, unless they are all out (10 out) so far they have 166 in 32 overs with 4 men out. It could go either way
 
@DavidCarlisle Go... England?
 
@PauloCereda not really. Every animal has 3 words in Czech for male, female and child
 
@PauloCereda may even LIKE emacs!
 
(well, ok, not every animal, but many do)
 
1:14 PM
@tohecz crispy duck, hmmm
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@tohecz Also the tiger?
 
@egreg of course :)
 
@tohecz Ah. :) When I tried to learn German, I found out there are nouns that are male in Portuguese and female in German (and vice-versa). And that there are neutral gender, which does not exist in Portuguese.
 
@tohecz So, how's duck and tiger?
 
@PauloCereda well, each species has somehow the "default gender", by which you refer to the whole species in biology. For instance dog is "he" and cat is "she" (unline in French)
duck: kačer, kachna, kachně
tiger: tygr, tygřice, tygře
(male, female, child)
 
1:19 PM
der Apfel = the apple (der is used for male). a maçã = the apple (a is used for female).
 
notice that the male ones (almost) always end in a consonant, the female ones always end in a wovel and the child ones always end in \v{<consonant>}e or <consonant>\v{e} (which mean somehow the same)
 
@PauloCereda you took the lead at the Grandma question ^^
 
@Rico Can't wait to earn the tag badge. :)
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Is there an index of chat functions/codes/syntax anywhere?
 
@PauloCereda all you get will be choppers ;)
 
1:25 PM
@Rico Nice! :O
 
@Rico :)
 
@PauloCereda I shared it on FCB hoping my math friends will read it, but everyone is pre-occupied by the elections...
@LordStryker yes there is, mmnt
@LordStryker you might mean this one:
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A: Formatting Sand-Box

WernerTypesetting backslashes, backticks and spaces: \ \\ \ \\ \  ` `` ` `` \`   Use HTML formatting mixed with markdown for spaces. 1. \ 2. \\\ 3. `\` 4. `\\` 5. <code>\&nbsp;</code> 6. ` 7. `` 8. <code>`</code> 9. <code>``</code> 10. <code>...

 
@tohecz Thank you sir.
 
Stefan is really good at finding the right context to ask soft-questions.
@PauloCereda No news on the interview?
 
@percusse Not yet. I'm monitoring my email.
 
1:35 PM
btw, speaking of ducks, one happy-end for @Paulo :)
 
@PauloCereda the only pity is that his answer is certainly too low quality
 
@PauloCereda Zapped
@tohecz Spam
 
@JosephWright You could have a discount! :)
 
@JosephWright yes, it is, once you roll down on the page
 
1:41 PM
@tohecz I always loved that little duck
 
@LordStryker I love (almost) the whole T&J
 
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Q: Is there any mathematical blog support latex?

MathematicsAs the topics, is there any mathematical blog support latex? I think people commonly use wordpress but i am not sure whether it supports latex as it doesn't show the latex format. Is there any supports latex?

The English in the question needs to be fixed, but I'm not even sure what the correct version of the main question is...
Should it be "Does any mathematical blog support LaTeX"?
 
I'm about to write a short-answer for this bounty since nobody else will take their comment to vote... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93985/…
 
1:58 PM
@StefanKottwitz how's your grandma?
 
@DavidCarlisle Upvote grandma on news.ycombinator.com/newest to have the chance to lure some new users to here ;-) still with 1 point on #21, going down
 
@tohecz @PauloCereda Some terms to avoid confusion: for grammatical gender of nouns we use 'masculine' , 'feminine' and 'neuter' (if the language has it) ; for natural gender (i.e. sex) we use 'male' and 'female'. In the Czech examples, the species names have a arbitrary grammatical gender (like all nouns) but the nouns that name individual animals are encoding (something close to) natural gender as well which is why there is a version for mail, female and immature.
 
@StefanKottwitz What about protecting grandma? It's highly likely that we'll start to get "low quality" posts - the most recent ones have been quite short.
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@AlanMunn Oh, I had the feeling the term I was using was incorrect. :) Czech seems too complicated for me. :)
@AndrewStacey Love the "protect grandma" bit. :)
 
@AndrewStacey All grandmas should be protected
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2:05 PM
@AlanMunn but the point is that the species name (almost) always coincide with one of the nouns for male or female
@DavidCarlisle \DeclareRobustCommand{\grandma}
 
@tohecz Sure, but the choice is arbitrary, right?
 
@AlanMunn in what sense arbitrary? We always use one of them for one species
 
@AndrewStacey I thought of this, there was just 1 answer from a user with <100 rep, mh
 
@StefanKottwitz the point is that "protecting" the question makes even 100+ users step back and not provide another answer
@AlanMunn Example - dialog between two children: I want a (he-)dog for Chrismass. And should it be he or she? It doesn't matter to me, as long as he can have children.
 
@tohecz For any given species there's no way to predict whether the species name will be the masculine form or the feminine form (just like for any given noun there's no way to predict what gender it will have.) So the initial assignment of gender to a noun is fairly arbitrary. (There may be some preferences that people have, but there's no system for it I would bet.)
 
2:15 PM
@tohecz Ok, I protected poor grandma
 
@AlanMunn Well, somehow that's true. Still, for instance all predators are masculine (even if it's often the female who hunts more, cf. tiger).
 
!!/eightball Are these people really just crazy?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook good.
 
Well folks, there you have it.
 
@LordStryker you see, they are crazy and it is good ;)
 
2:19 PM
@tohecz Yes, I don't doubt there are some sub-regularities to be found; some may be conceptual (like your predator example) but others may be phonological (species that end in a particular set of consonants, for example, might have a preference for one gender or the other.)
 
@tohecz The grandma tangent had me suspicious
 
!!/eightball Can grandma protect herself?
 
@Rico Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't you think emacs is great?
 
@PauloCereda That answer really needs to go.
 
!!/eightball Does grandma need protection?
 
2:20 PM
@Rico Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: cannot predict now.
 
!!/eightball Does grandma use emacs?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: let's wait for David to finish xor first.
 
@AlanMunn might be, as well, there is surely some heritage of Latin in Czech considering genders
 
:D
 
!!/eightball Does grandma use VIM?
 
2:20 PM
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.
 
Well screw grandma then...
 
!!/eightball Does grandma uses Vim?
 
@LordStryker @DavidCarlisle's Grandma is surely using VIM ;)
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: concentrate and ask again.
 
!!/eightball Does Psmith need to get laid?
 
2:21 PM
@AlanMunn Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my reply is no.
 
!!/eightball Do we all need to get laid?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: you may rely on it.
 
*sigh
 
Clever bot.
 
@PauloCereda Given recent answers, I think Psmith is decidedly wrong.
 
2:22 PM
Uhoh. It's a smackdown.
 
@AlanMunn I can see the pattern. :)
!!/eightball Should I rewrite you?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: as I see it, yes.
 
!!/eightball Is @AlanMunn right?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.
 
@PauloCereda looks like you were owned by your own bot :D
 
@Rico Indeed @PauloCereda was.
 
2:24 PM
@Rico Nah, I still like him. :)
!!/eightball Do you like me, Psmith? :)
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
HEY!
 
@PauloCereda i didn't expect anything else ^^ every mother loves her child ;)
 
does anybody know how to check that a number is divisible by 4?
 
@tohecz modulo?
 
@tohecz mod 4? :)
 
This was me last night.
 
2:25 PM
@PauloCereda In TeX I mean...
 
@tohecz \usepackage{intcalc}, then \intcalcMod. :)
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A: Read command with varying input arguments

Paulo CeredaMy humble attempt with etoolbox, thanks to one of Leo Liu's answers. I used \csdef and \csuse to store and use the values, and \DeclareListParser to iterate through the items in the comma-separated list. Finally, the modulo feature is provided by the intcalc package. \documentclass{article} \us...

 
@PauloCereda yeah, that's exactly what I don't want to do :-/
 
@tohecz Oh.
 
@PauloCereda loading a package just because of one month in 4 years is not something I gonna do. Result: Usually, the issues will be published on the last day of the month. The only exceptions will be issues number 1/56 and 1/60
 
@tohecz \@tempcnta\mynumber\divide\@tempcnta4\multiply\@tempcnta4\relax\ifnum\mynumber=\‌​@tempcnta...
 
2:35 PM
@StephanLehmke that's it probably :)
 
!!/cricket is depressing right now
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Mid West Rhinos 279/10  v Mashonaland Eagles 166/10 &  67/3 *
- Ruhuna 219/10  v Kandurata-Uva Combined 162/4 *
- Uthura-Neganahira Combined 190/3 * v Wayamba 188/10
- India 258/5 * v England 257/7
- Barisal Burners 167/8 * v Rangpur Riders 174/4
- Western Cape Invitation XI 74/5 * v England Under-19s 132/7
- Khulna Royal Bengals 145/7  v Sylhet Royals 113/3 *
- New South Wales v Western Australia
- South Australia v Victoria
ooh look @DavidCarlisle, now India took the lead!
 
@PauloCereda No, India won.
 
@AndrewStacey Oopsie.
 
!!/fencing might be a bit happer! :)
 
2:42 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last fencing results:

- Oh dear, nothing happened so far.

Our fencing expert Alan might explain these results later on.
 
I suppose not. :(
 
@LordStryker I blame @AlanMunn. :)
I was hoping for some stabbing going on.
 
Perhaps @AlanMunn is a lover, not a fighter?
 
@PauloCereda The perpetual lack of fencing results is the result of the FIE (Féderation International d'Escrime) failing to feed its RSS feed. The problem is as intractable as the the problem of making Psmith logical.
 
@AlanMunn ooh. :)
!!/eightball Are you logical?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
OMG
 
2:59 PM
@PauloCereda Damn. Not again.
:-)
 
@percusse LOL
 
Did I really just get rick roll'd by a bot...? In a TeX chatroom...??
 
@LordStryker Yes you did. :)
 
3:14 PM
@PauloCereda you can't "take the lead" in a one day match, once you get past the target that's end of game and you won.
@Rico I am sure in the place where both my grandmothers are they don't have anything as evil as vim
 
@DavidCarlisle Aw :( Vim is nice.
 
!!/eightball Does David love vim?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: you need to use emacs.
Hey!
 
@Psmith Blasphemy!
 
@PauloCereda clever bot
 
@DavidCarlisle Nope. :)
!!/eightball Does David love vim?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
 
3:21 PM
@LordStryker I'm sure vim is just vi with an m at the end and vi is what you get when editing crontab before you set EDITIR
 
Oh.
!!/eightball But he really likes it, right?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: how about reading source2e?
 
@DavidCarlisle Editor doesn't need to be set if you have vi :)
VIM = Vi IMproved
!!/eightball How about YOU go read source2e?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
 
Not even gonna click it...
 
!!/david
 
3:23 PM
@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command david does not exist.
 
!!/list
 
@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm able to recognize the following commands: help, list, cricket, fencing, say, ctan, texdef, eightball, answer, choose, define. You probably noticed that all commands must start with !!/ followed by the command name, didn't you? Splendid!
 
!!/help
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
!!/say 123
 
3:24 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot: Insert maniacal laughter Please stop starring everything, this is embarassing.
 
!!/define emacs
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, I don't know this acronym.
 
He doesn't know it yet he has a lot of opinions about it...
 
!!/say
 
Psmith, the TeX bot: Do you think it means something? how many times will your user name change in 2013? I know.
 
3:24 PM
@LordStryker He doesn't know it as an acronym
!!/answer What is emacs
 
@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command asnwer does not exist. Did you mean: answer
@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.
 
^^ See??
 
Now this means something
 
!!/choose emacs or vim
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: there's only one option to choose from.
 
3:26 PM
comma delimeter?
!!/choose emacs, vim
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: vim
2
 
YES!
Starred that one for the ages!
 
!!/answer What is a text editor?
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: 1 | noun | an editor who prepares text for publication :: 2 | noun | (computer science) an application that can be used to create and view and edit text files
@LordStryker OMG finally!
 
@PauloCereda Its officially in the books now man! I'd buy ya a beer if I could. :P
 
3:32 PM
@LordStryker <3
 
4:04 PM
someone else want to have a go:( tex.stackexchange.com/questions/95022/…
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmm, 'MWE' request not really understood
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll take a look :)
 
Any MikTeX users? Does an old version of MikTeX still update packages to newer versions?
 
!!/texdef -t latex small
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\small:
\long macro:->\@setfontsize \small \@ixpt {11}\abovedisplayskip 8.5\p@ \@plus 3\p@ \@minus 4\p@ \abovedisplayshortskip \z@ \@plus 2\p@ \belowdisplayshortskip 4\p@ \@plus 2\p@ \@minus 2\p@ \def \@listi {\leftmargin \leftmargini \topsep 4\p@ \@plus 2\p@ \@minus 2\p@ \parsep 2\p@ \@plus \p@ \@minus \p@ \itemsep \parsep }\belowdisplayskip \abovedisplayskip
 
4:13 PM
To clarify: In TeX Live, once the new year comes out, you can't update any package without updating the distribution to the current year. Is MikTeX roughly the same (substituting MikTeX version # for TeX Live year)?
 
@AlanMunn I use MikTeX for my windows machines. Not sure about 'old version' but the latest one I have will do package updates no problem.
 
@AlanMunn There is overlap
@AlanMunn Typically, you can continue to update for one minor version, so 2.8 is still updated using 2.9 archives
@AlanMunn It's only the core binary parts that are different, usually
 
4:40 PM
@JosephWright So in the beamer question which I've already answered by e-mail but is now posted on the site (after the fact) it should be possible to update to the latest version of beamer without updating the whole distro? The person is still using 2.8
 
5:13 PM
btw, I don't know why but the recent grandma question and @Paulo 's answer reminded me of this commercial:
 
I signed up just to say you only need to hit shift twice for LaTeX if you have caps lock on, or no times at all if you alternate with the caps lock key. — Rob 44 mins ago
Can I answer: "How marvellous. Do you happen to use fncychap as well?"
 
@PauloCereda I can smell Windoze in that comment. :)
 
@egreg I had the same impression. :)
 
Ohh I just pushed @StefanKottwitz onto a gold great grandma badge:-)
 
5:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks David :-)
@DavidCarlisle Now I have to explain to my grandma, what a golden Stack Exchange badge is
 
@StefanKottwitz Let me see if I can find a picture of a badge on wikipedia, I could do with earning some more points
 
@DavidCarlisle Next time you post a question and I answer with a picture from Wikipedia
 
@StefanKottwitz It's so boring, all my questions are answered with wikipedia images.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ask the eightball! :)
 
5:49 PM
@AlanMunn I'd seen that: it's certainly possible to download and install just beamer (from CTAN)
 
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