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12:10 AM
I don't really know how to write this into a question, but the package unicode-math does something strange. I call the package as usual, and afterwards i redefine \times to \cdotp which I usually do. However, if I do that definition before \begin{document} it is overwritten to "the cross version" again. It has something to do with unicode-math, but I don't really know what causes it.
 
@Ahlqvist unicode-math does rather a lot:-) how do you redefine \times?
@Rico 90% of questions have been asked hundreds of times before on texhax or c.t.t or elsewhere (that's the only reason I can answer them:-)
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@DavidCarlisle Tried both \renewcommand{\times}{\cdotp} and \def\times{\cdotp}
 
@Ahlqvist unicode-math does many of its jobs at begin document. But \cdotp doesn't seem the best choice: you mean \cdot, probably.
@Ahlqvist \AtBeginDocument{\let\times\cdot} should do.
 
@egreg I was going to say that (but was reading the latex3 variants question on site:-)
 
12:28 AM
@egreg It worked, thank you. However, I do belive that I should use \cdotp since it's the character proposed by "Språkrådet" (Swedish Language Council) and their book "Svenska skrivregler"
Unicode 00b7 (2219)
 
@Ahlqvist It's "center dot as punctuation", which has different spacing (asymmetric) from \cdot.
 
@egreg I believe that you correct, however, where could I find such information? Because unicode-symbols.pdf (unicode-math) lists them as different unicode characters, but without any other information. \show\cdot does not give me any useful data.
 
@Ahlqvist That's basic TeX. :) \cdotp is used for building \cdots.
 
@Werner It’s just a screenshot. He used Google Trends. Take a look, there are some more posts at the time starting with Stefan’s post chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7803301#7803301
 
@Ahlqvist Actually they are both \mathbin in unicode-math; \cdotp is U+00B7, while \cdot is U+22C5
You find the definition in unicode-math-table.tex
@Ahlqvist So \cdotp is really a text glyph, while \cdot is in the "math block"
 
12:40 AM
@egreg Ok, thank you for your help.
 
@Speravir Thanks, Speravir. So MikTeX is more update friendly than TeX Live in that respect. Good to know.
 
@Speravir I see... thanks.
 
@AlanMunn All in all both have their advantages and shortcomings. @Werner no problem.
 
@Werner You mean the Google trends?
@Werner Ah Speravir already answered it.
 
1:42 AM
@Speravir Yes, I'm not shopping (I use a Mac). :)
 
1:53 AM
@AlanMunn What? :-) Sorry, I don’t follow … Is there on Mac a third TeX distro? I thought MacTeX would be a TeX Live derivative.
 
@Speravir Yes, MacTeX is TeX Live, What I meant was that since I'm not looking to switch from a Mac, any comparisons between MikTeX and TeX Live are really just for my own information.
 
@AlanMunn Aaah, now …
 
2:16 AM
Ha, there seems to be a battle going on between writelatex.com and spandex.io. This time answer and comment: tex.stackexchange.com/a/95124/9237
 
Is there a place where I can get templates not in terms of style, but in terms of having all the useful packages for something?
Like say all the plotting, symbol, equation, etc etc packages for math
 
Do you mean samples of the packages, or source documents that contain all the useful packages? We have a huge list of "most loaded packages". I have my own "Dictatorial list" (somewhat aimed at my students; see my profile if you're curious).
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Q: What packages do people load by default in LaTeX?

Andrew StaceyI'm getting the impression from reading the answers written by some of the real experts here that there are quite a few little packages that just tweak LaTeX2e's default behaviour a little to make it more sensible here and there. Rather than try to pick these up one by one as I read answers to q...

 
I mean literally a template that already has tons of useful packages loaded, and maybe also comes with a few useful macros besides.
However! Thank you for that link!!
I shall read it religiously.
 
2:35 AM
@GregRos I think that many of us would not suggest such an approach. In general it's best to load just the packages needed for the task at hand, for at least two reasons: increased compilation speed and less chance of package conflicts (which can be hard to track down). In specific areas there are some good example sites, most notably texample.net plus our own showcase:
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Q: Showcase of beautiful typography done in TeX & friends

wishihadabetternameIf you were asked to show examples of beautifully typeset documents in TeX & friends, what would you suggest? Preferably documents available online (I'm aware I could go to a bookstore and find many such documents called 'books'). Extra bonus for documents whose LaTeX source is available. Th...

If you are typesetting math, then Herb Voß's mathmode is essential reading. It's part of the standard distribution documentation, so texdoc mathmode should find it on a TeX Live system.
 
@AlanMunn Works also in MiKTeX.
 
Thank you :)
 
@Speravir :) The depth of my MikTeX ignorance is unfathomable.
 
@GregRos See also CTAN: Topics. Caveat: Plotting I find under ctan.org/topic/?letter=G and equations seem to be summarised under maths.
@AlanMunn No problem. You cannot know this. Especially “mathmode.pdf” was for a long time not available in MiKTeX. (There is in general less informational stuff installed – we spoke about shortcomings …)
 
2:54 AM
@Speravir Also I seem to recall that texdoc used not to work in MikTeX? Or maybe it's just that as you say, there's less documentation generally installed.
 
I have to do my math homework in Word because for some reason my uni doesn't accept pdf files, at least for homework assignments. The problem pages are rendered from latex so... :(
 
@AlanMunn No texdoc is an alias for the original mthelp, so it works in basic mode, but does not support all/some of TeX Live’s texdoc. And, of course, it cannot find documentation not part of MT, and then in the default setting texdoc latex2e does not find latex2e.pdf (also true with mthelp) …
Bye.
 
 
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9:34 AM
Achievement unlocked: I broke the 20k vote barrier! :)
Top voter in SO has close to 22k. Challenge accepted.
 
@PauloCereda you could try to beat that on SO.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh that would be cool! :)
 
I have 333 votes, here so a bit of catching up to do...
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
yeh just got 100 votes for granny:-)
 
9:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle I'm getting a ton of rep from granny too. :)
 
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@PauloCereda Who is granny?
 
@JasonBourne Our beloved hypothetical grandma who is eager to know more about TeX and friends. :)
 
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Q: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

Stefan KottwitzI wrote a book about LaTeX, and my proud grandma wanted to have a copy. So she got it, said "What a beautiful picture on the cover!" and - "What is this, LaTeX?". She doesn't know Word, never used a computer. But she reads books. How can I explain what makes TeX and LaTeX special to a non-techni...

 
Yay @topskip! :) How's the conference going? Just saw your post on G+.
 
conference is in the beginning of february - but I need to prepare the slides in advance (WTF? I always prepare my slides on the train to a conference)
really looking forward to it - a conference outside of the TeX community (although there are probably quite some people who know TeX and I will mention TeX there)
 
9:56 AM
Oh. :)
@topskip Two hours before the conference. :)
 
The paper-and-slides-policy seems to be very strict. The final (camera ready) paper is due 3 weeks before the conference
(For the others: xmlprague.cz/sessions)
 
@PauloCereda I thought it was a real grandma with a real grandson who'd written a book.
@topskip Yes but they produce a very nice booklet with all the talks, which isn't really possible if authors do the normal thing and just write them out over breakfast in the hotel...
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah yes, but we need to wait @StefanKottwitz create an account for her. :)
 
10:19 AM
@PauloCereda Good idea then we would be able to tell by her questions whether @StefanKottwitz had done a good job in explaining LaTeX
 
@DavidCarlisle Exactly! :)
 
@PauloCereda Granny has found her way to G+ as well: plus.google.com/communities/116042524557825396977
 
@TorbjørnT. Oh my!
 
Sorry ta all who attended the interview and had found I was a bit unresponsive at the end. I ran into some technical problems and haven't been able to solve them. I'll make arrangements (with @PaoloCereda) to resume the interview at some stage.
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10:47 AM
@MarcvanDongen Hi Marc! Would you like us to resume it now? :)
 
10:58 AM
@PauloCereda Hi Paolo, I'm too busy today. (Same for tomorrow.) Given what happened last Tuesday I prefer doing the interview from my machine at work. Howsabout resuming the Tuesday at 3 p.m.?
 
@MarcvanDongen Sure, Marc! :)
 
11:11 AM
I always hate when I have to downvote something, but the fact that it were two asnwer to one question is somehow alarming...
 
11:33 AM
hi guys
somedays ago @DavidCarlisle told me that Here / [H] is deprecated know one of my students asked me what else to use instead
 
@Rico Tell him to use good cross-referencing: "... is shown in Table \ref{tab:my}." instead of "... is shown below." Then he can let LaTeX do its job
 
@tohecz I already told him that, i was wondering the old version comes from here but the float package contains a H option too?
 
@Rico yes, float package allows you to specify "Here and only here". The only place where it's appropriate is figure/table appendix, where may you use it together with \raggedbottom
 
11:51 AM
mh ok i will tell him that
 
The fact that some package provides a feature doesn't mean that the feature is good.
 
thats exactly what i told him ;)
 
@Rico use no argument at all. Trust LaTeX and all will be well. (If you want to allow here as well as tbp by default then add \def\fps@figure{tbph} to your preamble somewhere where @ is a letter.
 
@DavidCarlisle ok, i just told him he should let LaTeX do his job and use references
 
12:07 PM
@Rico Yes Anslem (before latex2e) was adding code detecting if here.sty was loaded and modifying to add the float customisation to here floats (which are not floats at all) so I said that was silly and just withdrew my package from ctan and he incorporated it directly in to float
 
@DavidCarlisle here [H] = float [H]? or is there any difference
 
@Rico yes it's the same code just in a different file, and now it's not even a different fie as decades later Karl (with my permission) added a here.sty to ctan that just inputs float.sty so that old documents loading here.sty work
 
@DavidCarlisle ok just want to make sure I got it right =)
@DavidCarlisle that means \usepackage{here} is does load \usepackage{float} inside?
 
@Rico That's the entire thing.
 
@DavidCarlisle nice! "Did you mean: recursion?"
 
12:15 PM
@Rico But however it's defined [H] is a bad idea as it makes the input look as if it's a float but it is really just a minipage with a caption so it can get out of sequence with real floats. Better to use the caption (or capt-of) package and use an actual minipage with a caption then it is more obvious what is happening, or better still use a real floating float and don't complain where LaTeX puts it.
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@DavidCarlisle Ok, I'll have this in mind. I'm currently writing a question a bit similar to this topic. Excited to hear you opinion on it.
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Q: How to tell people why packages get deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore?

RicoI'm working with LaTeX for a while now. Writing more and more documents I've learned that there are packages that should not be used or got replaced by others. Looking into files my friends or students wrote I read those deprecated ever and ever again. I always tell them not to use them because ...

 
12:59 PM
Is there a way to escape BibLaTeX’s url field to include linebreaks manually?
 
1:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle the problem of wrong order is there anyways (e.g. in two columns), and only only you with xor can be our saviour :)
 
Hi everybody! Is there someone using (plain) TeX here?
 
@lvaneesbeeck Hello! :) @DavidCarlisle uses plain TeX for Christmas carols. :)
 
@PauloCereda I used TeX last night to make me cookies
 
@lvaneesbeeck Using is a strong word. :) But I've some experience with it.
 
Cool :)
I'm an experienced LaTeX user but I want to switch to TeX and I don't know from where to start my first document
 
1:47 PM
@lvaneesbeeck Ohhh I read your question on this yesterday.
 
what are the main differences between pdfTeX, LuaTeX and XeTeX?
(and, subquestion: how can I decide which engine is made for me?)
 
@lvaneesbeeck And why would you want this?
 
because I want to become a TeXpert ;)
more seriously, I don't like the LaTeX philosophy that is: when you face a problem, google it and use a package that solves your problem
 
@lvaneesbeeck But it doesnt have to be that way with LaTeX.
 
because most of time that problem needs few TeX commands to be solved, you just have to know them
and I want to try some new page layouts, tables of contents, etc
from blank page to computer, not by using tricks because they exist in the program
so, anybody wants to answer my question? :)
 
1:58 PM
Are you not 'googling' your question now and using packages (people here) to solve your problem? Just a thought, though I'm sure if it hasn't already been asked you could submit a nice question to the TeX site and I'm certain many could help you out :)
 
no, but i would also be interesting in seeing the answer :p
 
@LordStriker yeah I should maybe try it :) but I'm horribly shy with disturbing people with my questions
 
@lvaneesbeeck Thats why I love Google!
 
my previous experiences didn't really answer my questions because of the popularity of LaTeX to the detriment of TeX
but I'll try again ;)
*my previous experiences on google
 
I love packages. Some of our users around here have written some and they are so convenient. I can focus more on my writing rather than coding very technical stuff.
 
2:10 PM
@tohecz we should fix that:-)
 
@lvaneesbeeck Doing this in Plain TeX is much more difficult.
 
@lvaneesbeeck That isn't the latex philosophy so it's OK not to like that and still use latex.
 
@DavidCarlisle @tohecz What is this xor I keep seeing?
 
why the hell are you so reluctant to TeX? Things aren't more difficult, you just have to take new habbits
what if I told you that LaTeX is more difficult than Microsoft Word so don't learn it?
 
@lvaneesbeeck plain tex is called "basic macros" in the texbook (the official documentation of the format) it simply is not designed for document production. It is a good thing to learn and in doing so you will be able to read the source code of latex packages but for a document you want to be using a format that at least lets you switch fonts or include a picture or cross reference things in a natural way.
 
2:15 PM
@Davi
 
@DavidCarlisle nice answer thank you!!
 
@lvaneesbeeck If you have tables of contents and autiomatic numbering and cross referencing in your document it is not plain tex (it may not be latex which is OK) It may be context or eplain or some macros you wrote yourself but plain tex just doesn't do those things so asking how to do them in plain tex is hard to answer
 
Thank you @DavidCarlisle :) I'm still trying to figure out what 'it' is :P
 
@DavidCarlisle that's the reason why I ask my question here on SE: how can I use colors, include pictures etc with a TeX engine?
well I did not ask something about plain here
I just mentionned it in my first message to underline that I talk about TeX and not LaTeX
 
@lvaneesbeeck I'm sure we all understand this.
 
2:20 PM
so my initial question is: what are the differences between pdfTeX, LuaTeX, XeTeX and how can I decide which one is the best for my personnal use?
 
@lvaneesbeeck submit it as a question and obtain what it is you seek :) (I couldn't answer that question for you by the way)
 
I did not ask for arguments against the use of TeX instead of LaTeX
@LordStryker ok thank you for your answer :)
 
@lvaneesbeeck LaTeX is written in TeX, so to use colours in TeX you need to write some macros to do that. I did that and called it the latex colour package. If you say how do I use colours in TeX what am I to say, You could use the macros that are distributed with latex (they work with plain tex as well more or less) or you write some more, but it's hard for me to tell you how to write some that are differemt unless you say how they should differ.
@LordStryker It's an Output Routine, that is the code that splits document into pages and inserts floating figures and headlines and footnotes etc
 
@DavidCarlisle I saw that it can handle each page separately? Thats pretty fancy!
 
@LordStryker I must admit I haven't looked at it for ages (don't tell Frank:-) It's older than LaTeX2e
 
2:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle I don't want to seem aggressive I'm not sure you understood my question...
 
@lvaneesbeeck I think I understood the question, I'm just trying to explain why you might not get any useful answers to a question worded that way.
 
@DavidCarlisle I can't find neither where I mentionned the use of colors in TeX (at least on this chat), nor where I asked how to implement it with plain TeX
 
@lvaneesbeeck The site has some good questions specifically on the differences betwen the three main engines pdftex/luatex/xetex (the choice of which is independent of which macro format you use (latex/plain/etex etc)
@lvaneesbeeck You asked about using colour 5 comments up?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah that confused me as well...
 
@DavidCarlisle: Should I revive Psmith?
 
2:37 PM
@PauloCereda YES!
 
@LordStryker Hold on. :)
 
@lvaneesbeeck If you can condense your TeX quest down to a series of yes/no questions, you can ask the great and awesome eightball everything you wish to know! :)
 
@LordStryker Too dangerous. :)
The bot will suggest emacs anyway. :)
!!/eightball Do you like plain TeX?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
 
@PauloCereda I'm going to use that in my PhD defense :) :)
 
@LordStryker :)
 
2:39 PM
!!/eightball Do you like modern-day LaTeX?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean to David, he is my friend.
 
Hmm, perhaps 'modern-day' is too specific
 
@DavidCarlisle: No buddy anymore. ^^ :)
 
!!/eightball Should I have another cup of coffee?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: most likely.
Yay, coffee!
 
2:40 PM
Ahhh, I like this guy Psmith
My boss is roasting up next week's batch (of coffee ) right now.
 
!!/eightball will @PauloCereda get a gold badge for his grandma and marmite answer?
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command eighball does not exist. Did you mean: eightball
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
 
!!/choose procrastinate, work
 
@topskip Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: work
 
Oh no :(
 
2:41 PM
@topskip Oh no!
 
@topskip begone with you: as the bot says...
 
!!/choose write the keynote in advance, write the keynote in the train, who needs a keynote?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: write the keynote in the train
@topskip: The bot has spoken! ^^ :)
 
@PauloCereda :))
@PauloCereda you bloody bot, you :))
 
@topskip Oh you! <3
!!/eightball Can we procrastinate a little?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
Hey!
 
/me gets back to work (translating my manual to english!!)
 
2:44 PM
@topskip Oh my! Help me! I need to write a manual!
arara is ready since september! I can't release it because it lacks a manual. :)
 
!!/choose keep this job, quit this crummy job
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: keep this job
 
I have a quite extensive manual for my publisher ... in German. Now that I am heading for more international audience, I think that German is not suitable (unless we again decide to march into all other countries and make them learn German, I think it's better to translate this manual)
 
@topskip yeowch
 
2:47 PM
@topskip woohoo! :)
Ich trinke Wasser heute.
Heute trinke Ich Wasser.
 
@PauloCereda me nein auf Deutche :(
 
@LordStryker No sugar please. :)
I have no idea what you just said. :)
 
@PauloCereda Something to the effect of "I don't know anything in German"
 
@LordStryker Ah! :)
 
!!/eightball Is @PauloCereda a silly guy?
 
2:50 PM
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: ask again later.
 
German is fine >.>
 
!!/eightball Is German fine?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean to David, he is my friend.
 
bwahahaha!
 
!!/chose write manuals in german, write manuals in english
is that how ti works?
 
2:57 PM
@myrtille Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command chose does not exist. Did you mean: choose
 
!!/choose write manuals in german, write manuals in english
 
@myrtille Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: write manuals in german
 
\o/
 
Oh but hang on that is misleading
!!/choose Write manuals in German and then translate them later to English, Don't translate jack
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: Don't translate jack
 
2:59 PM
aw
 
well, the answer remains the same :p
 
You win @myname :)
 
how do I get my name to update in here?
 
@myrtille go away then come back
 
oh, ok... I guess I should have thought of that myself. lol :p brb
 
3:14 PM
@myname I don't think it worked
@DavidCarlisle I guess lvaneesbeeck got confused himself as well.
 
hmm, ok
i'll try again then
better now?
 
@myname It still shows me as 'myname'
Perhaps log out of SE and log back in?
 
@LordStryker If someone else changes their name you still see the old one as long as you stay in chat
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah that explains it
@myrtille Its updated!
 
!!/eightball Should I reply my emails?
 
3:18 PM
@LordStryker still shows as myname for me (the dangers of working in a closed system out of our control:-)
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook good.
 
Outlook is a terrible email program! >:(
 
yay :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Closed system? Like, China or something?
 
3:21 PM
closed system as opposed to open source, i'd guess?
 
@StefanKottwitz: @DavidCarlisle and I should send some flowers to Grandma Kottwitz. :) We are earning so many rep points from your question. :)
 
@PauloCereda his grandma made it to HackerNews: news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Stefan_K
 
@topskip :)
 
@PauloCereda @topskip Thanks! Retweet the @texgallery twittered question if you like, would be great :-)
 
@PauloCereda well a badge not so many points (I was already rep capped the first day so I lost 400 or so that day:-)
@LordStryker You should use emacs
 
3:32 PM
!!/eightball Is emacs a good mail program?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean to David, he is my friend.
ooh.
 
vi ftw :p
 
@PauloCereda I've used gnus for many years. But then came Mail.app / spotlight... and I switched
 
@topskip :) I'm currently using Mail as well. :)
 
@PauloCereda I used emacs rmail for around 22 years or so then finally cracked and switched to thunderbird and gmail, some days I regret it though and think of switching back.
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my! :)
 
3:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle I actually brought up emacs yesterday and ack! I closed it immediately.
 
@topskip:
(@AlanMunn: ^^)
 
@PauloCereda Wilda beast?
 
@PauloCereda not in Germany !&/#<?$
 
@topskip Damn you GEMA! :(
@topskip Don't say such thing, they might be monitoring you. :)
 
@topskip I'd be tempted to rephrase that: here in the UK at least such jokes can get you into real trouble
 
3:44 PM
Last year I had 10 police men / women in my house because I've (accidently) put a very real looking pack of dynamite (with an alarm clock) in the garbage can and next day the garbage collectors came and called the police, because they thought it was a real bomb...
 
@JosephWright Two brazilian guys were arrested in the US because they made a joke in the airport.
 
@PauloCereda Of course we're being monitored. @topskip Please be careful what you say. Governments are scary.
 
@topskip OMG SIR YOU ARE A HERO.
 
@LordStryker It's more mess up than conspiracy in most cases
 
Hours later I've realized that it was my fault (and I wondered why so many police in big protection suites came into the house)
 
3:46 PM
This being said there's a lot of confused groups in Berlin trying (and mostly failing) to build bombs for all kind of reasons. Mostly they just try to blow up the public transport system though
 
@topskip Even more reason to rephrase your earlier comment, then
 
@JosephWright no risk, no fun :)
... I just hope nobody "stars" that comment :)
 
are these discussions logged?
 
@myrtille yes - see the top button "full transcript"
 
@myrtille You can go back though them and permalink, so yes
 
3:51 PM
ok, just so i know what not to say ;p Do they also get indexed by google? or is it more for people that already joined to be able to read back up?
 
@LordStryker you should never close emacs
 
@lvaneesbeeck Broadly, pdfTeX is an 8-bit TeX engine which is very stable while both XeTeX and LuaTeX use UTF-8 input natively. LuaTeX in particular is being actively developed, so is not 'stable' to the same extent as pdfTeX (for most users this is not an issue, but it is if you want archival .tex files). XeTeX uses various libraries to load system fonts, etc., while LuaTeX builds in Lua as a scripting language, but leaves any 'special effects' to the Lua programmer.
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!!/eightball Should I ever close my emacs?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: most likely.
 
4:03 PM
!!/eightball Should I ever open my emacs?
 
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean to David, he is my friend.
 
<3 you @Psmith!
 
at least he's consistent :p
 
@myrtille I'm sure @PauloCereda has some sort of hand in that :)
 
@lvaneesbeeck This would make a good question for the main site: I'd perhaps highlight specific considerations (e.g. stability, system fonts, non-Latin scripts, left-to-right-typesetting, etc.)
 
4:28 PM
Now this I see for the first time:
\bibitem{matlab} MATLAB.
{\it The Language of Technical Computing}. \url{mathworks.com/products/matlab} [2012-08-27].
\label{matlab}
 
leo
Hello
 
hi :)
 
@leo Hello
 
leo
Got a problem
We are preparing an exam for people with visual impairment, so according some rules of the University, there are some specifications. One of those specifications is the font must be boldfaced
Even the math
Do you know some way to achieve this?
The exam is tomorrow
 
{\bf ... }
 
4:36 PM
@leo \boldmath?
 
leo
I mean, some way to get all the text in math mode boldfaced
Oh
 
@leo @DavidCarlisle is the expert on bold math
 
leo
Yes, but then we must fix each equation manually
 
@leo Have you looked at bm package? ctan.org/pkg/bm
 
@leo You mean all math should be bold?, just stick \boldmath after \begin{document}
 
leo
4:39 PM
Well, if we put \boldmath after \begin{document} it modify all the math. Just noticed
Yes
 
@leo For text \textbf{} works but that is not a global change.
 
leo
Thanks @David
@Lord I think we can put \bfseries just after begin the document then it works
Thanks to you @all
 
!!/answer 120 000in x 1mile / 63360in
 
@LordStryker That is different though \textbf is the bold version of \textrm giving a bold upright text font in math, not bold math italic as you get from \boldmath or \bm
 
@leo Thank you too, I learn something new in this chatroom everyday :)
 
leo
4:43 PM
:-)
 
@StephanLehmke Psmith's skived off again, you'll have to work it out yourself
 
leo
By the way, is there a package to make more accessible documents, I mean with enlarged fonts, etc?
 
@leo you could usethe extsizes classes eg extarticle is like article but has more size options eg 14pt 17pt 20pt
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd still suggest choosing a smaller paper size and enlarging on view/printout.
 
@StephanLehmke I support this idea, because the resulting font will come out a bit wider and bolder. (Especially with cm/lm the large fonts are quite thin.)
 
4:52 PM
@StephanLehmke yes or that.
 
leo
I see. Thanks @David
 
@JosephWright Have a look at the "About me" description of the following user -- could it be that there's another (unregistered) account with the same e-amil adress?
fortunecookies, Potsdam, Germany
18 4
 
@lockstep Second account located and merged
@fortunecookies I have merged you new registered account with your older unregistered one
 
@JosephWright That was fast. :-)
 
@lockstep Mod search tool for users is pretty good :-)
 
5:05 PM
@JosephWright does that work? has he ever visited chat?
 
@tohecz It does for me: as a mod, I can ping any user by inserting two @ signs and their user ID. It shows up here as a normal @, but it's not
 
@JosephWright oh ok, the strange thing is that I cannot see the edit history of that comment... (which I can for every comment where the chat system itself made any change: font changes, :<num> to @name etc.)
 
5:23 PM
New interim result (48 hours) for "grandma" question: Score of 165 (rank no. 8 all-time).
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5:47 PM
@JosephWright (or another mod) How about undeleting Garbage Collector's answer to the "grandma" question? (The one with the image featuring latex [sic]). ;-)
 
@lockstep 'Deleted by owner', so really @garbagecollector's business
 
@JosephWright I see. I voted to undelete. :-)
 
@lockstep imho that is very boundary for being inappropriate content
 
@tohecz My thoughts also
 
@tohecz I know it's close to the boundary. I just happen to think it's on the correct side. :-)
 
5:58 PM
@lockstep I happen to think that "I'd not flag it as spam, yet I'm happy it's deleted" ;)
 
@lockstep I think he deleted because the same subject was covered in frans answer (see the comment).
 
@StephanLehmke Indeed. But I'd prefer Garbage Collector's version. ;-)
 
 
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7:23 PM
@PauloCereda: 20000+ votes! Wow!
 
@Werner :) My new goal is to get more votes than the top SO voter. :)
 
@PauloCereda Knowing your regular voting schedule, this should be no problem. Perhaps even before Valentine's Day.
 
@Werner :)
 
@PauloCereda: Awesome "grandma post", by the way...
 
@Werner Thanks. :) I'm glad you guys liked it. :)
 
7:31 PM
@PauloCereda Target?
 
@JosephWright 22k+ :)
 
@PauloCereda That's all? What have they all been up to?
 
@JosephWright Downvoting. :)
 
@JosephWright They're editing. The top editor has 34k edits. Hard to outdo. :-(
 
Ah the wonderful chase for those imaginary internet points. I cash mine in every week at the SE gift shop!
 
7:37 PM
@lockstep True, that would be quite tricky
 
@JosephWright Although we have a user these days trying to go on a edit marathon. :)
 
Just took a look at the stats: we are at roughly 80k hits per day :-)
 
7:54 PM
@PauloCereda There are several people who fit the bill. :-)
 
@lockstep :)
 
8:16 PM
!frustration alert! This entire day I have been having a problem (apparently after updating with tlmgr update).
Also I have updated the development version of both pgf and pgfplots to their current day.
I have then tried compiling a standard document:
`\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{axis}[ymin=0.,ymax=.5]
\addplot function {x};
\end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}`
Every time I add `<x|y><min|max>` it goes wrong, the pdf has size way beyond the a4paper size, has anybody seen this before?
 
@lockstep They've been around (at least) twice as long as you... understandably hard to outdo!
 
9:08 PM
o.o :)
 
leo
when using biblatex how do I must compile?
 
9:20 PM
What exactly do you mean? It it which commands to be called in the header, or?
Also, i would recommend on using biber instead of the bibtex backend.
 
leo
@zeroth is it pdflatex + biber + pdflatex
 
@leo
yes that should do it. No more.
 
leo
with usepackage[backend=biber]{biblatex} in the preamble
@zeroth thanks!
 
If I remember correctly biber and pdflatex only needs one extra bypass, whereas sometimes you need two pdflatex after bibtex. (and yes, backend=biber is correct)
 
@zeroth latex, biber, latex, latex
 
9:24 PM
@tohecz ahh, yes, due to "references" in the biblio? Correct? of course 2 bypasses everytime! :) @leo
 
leo
@zeroth okay
 
@tohecz thanks
 
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A: Why does Latex/Bibtex need three passes to clear up all warnings?

toheczThe reason is as follows: At the first latex run, all \cite{...} arguments are written in the file document.aux. At the bibtex run, this information is taken by bibtex and the relevant entries are put into the .bbl file. At the next run of latex, the .bbl file is included and correct labels for...

@leo applies to BibLaTeX/biber as well
 
leo
I'll take a look
 
@leo it's explained there what LaTeX does in each step. However, the basic idea is that you run biber only after you add any reference. Just at the very end of your work, you make sure to do all 4 steps so that you're sure the document is correct. If there's a lot of references and cross-references, it is advised to do some extra latex runs.
 
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