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12:04 AM

@egreg another problem is that it was 3 transactions and none of them was successful, but how do I prove it?

@tohecz If no ticket was issued the company will know. It happened also to me once, and the sum was put back in a couple of days.

tohecz

@egreg and was it a French company? French, where institutions download money from your account without your real consent?

egreg

@tohecz No, it was in Italy. Don't be afraid.

tohecz

thanks bud

percusse

@tohecz Can you do internet banking? there must be an option to complain about the transaction, it's independent from French etc. It's the Visa, Mastercard etc. that matters because they agree on international terms and they can't make exceptions. So no way you'll loose the money. Unless they issue the ticket.

tohecz

12:10 AM

yes, I can of course, but it's a Czech card, I'm in France, etc etc

Speravir

@egreg This could be a candidate: The font “Kozuka” can somehow not be used in XeLaTeX on my system. I left a comment.

percusse

@tohecz That's not a problem for you to worry. It's the creditcard office's problem (which is usually located in the bank as a company but works independently)

They don't allow the banks to fiddle with their stuff.

tohecz

@percusse ok, I'll see what happens tomorrow when the money is supposed to be really withdrawn. And if it gets withdrawn, they see an angry letter from me

percusse

@tohecz Instead of anger use consumer buzz words such as fraud, online theft phishing etc. That will draw their attention. They don't give a damn about an angry customer.

tohecz

@percusse ok

ricmarques

12:14 AM

Hi everyone! :) I just added my 2nd number guess to the "Who Wants to Win a LaTeX Book?" post in Meta. I edited the question to add the number. I thought the graph got updated automatically by editing the LaTex source code in the question (wrong guess!). I tried creating the PNG file with TexMaker + MiKTeX + MiKTeX's dvipng, but the "png" file is all "scrambled" to upload it to imgur. Any ideas, please? :-/

percusse

@ricmarques You ruined everything.... :P

tohecz

well, I travel to Czech Rep. in couple days, so an option is to come to the bank. And there they don't like people yelling that 300 EUR got stolen from their account.

ricmarques

@percusse: Oh no! Does that mean I just anticipated the End of The World by a whole... 2 days?! ;-)

percusse

@ricmarques So you are just missing the picture?

ricmarques

@percusse: BTW, I did not upload the generated image to imgur... Because I see that it's not looking well in my computer. Yes, I think I'm just missing the picture.

tohecz

12:17 AM

and something for @egreg for a good night:

bcdb.com/cartoon_video/3182-Cat_And_Dupli-Cat.html

percusse

@ricmarques Done.

ricmarques

@percusse: Great. Many thanks! :D So, what should have I done instead to not ruin everything? :)

percusse

@ricmarques Updating the packages maybe and probably using pdflatex. Then taking the screenshot

egreg

@tohecz Just when the radio is playing K466. :)

tohecz

@egreg playing what?

egreg

12:21 AM

@tohecz Mozart's piano concerto n. 20, K466

tohecz

@egreg oh ok

egreg

@tohecz Tom and Jerry are always nice, thanks

ricmarques

@percusse: Well, I generated the PDF well. The problem is I didn't find a quick way to convert from PDF to PNG (without doing a screen capture, save it to PNG and probably change the original dimensions by doing that). So I went the "DVI, DVI->PNG" route thinking that it should go well. I know... "Famous last words!", right? ;-)

tohecz

@egreg and somehow about you and @David : you are Cat, he is Dupli-Cat and the green tick is Jerry ;)

Alan Munn

@ricmarques \documentclass[border=4pt,png]{standalone}

David Carlisle

12:25 AM

@tohecz after your last T&J pointers I got got my 9 year old hooked on old clips on youtube, he liked the robot cat one:-)

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle that one is soooo perfect :D

I don't like all 165 of them, but I surely like much more than a half

ricmarques

@AlanMunn Thanks for the tip. :) It's NOT working in my TexMaker setup. I just changed the "Quick Build" action to see if I could generate the PNG directly, but it didn't. The file compiles cleanly, the DVI file gets generated, but no PNG. Oh well... time to do some more "googling", I guess :)

percusse

@ricmarques haha. Indeed. I'm using Win+Firefox and I have a dual monitor setup so I'm using the Lightshot add-on (otherwise I just use AltGr+PrntScr -> Paint.exe -> select -> crop)

Alan Munn

@percusse Seems like an awful lot of work.

Speravir

Speaking again of Bug in MathTime Pro2 - Is there a workaround?. It is obviously now, that it is a bug. So shouldn’t it be closed then as TL? Can mafp edit the question later, if the bug will be fixed?

Alan Munn

12:29 AM

@ricmarques This probably only works if you are using pdflatex not latex+dvips.

percusse

@AlanMunn I don't optimize my work. It's too stressful once you get into it. :D

Alan Munn

@percusse That's why you're still using Matlab? :P

tohecz

@Speravir I would not touch it anymore. There're certainly more localized questions that we leave

percusse

A constant feeling of Oh no, this can be done easier..... 3 months later you are writing Emacs stuff.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn I almost always do as @percusse and crop in paint rather than use standalone, avoids artifacts from that package (and you can crop to the relevant part even if it is only part of a line)

percusse

12:31 AM

@AlanMunn Ah touchè or touché. yeah one of them :P

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle I do that too, using the Mac's pdf previewer, but I'm finding for small examples, standalone is quick and simple.

Speravir

@tohecz OK, but that’s all our fault, then (with the other questions).

Alan Munn

@percusse é

percusse

French people need a separate mouse or a mini keyboard just for ` and ' keys.

tohecz

@Speravir I'm not sure. I'm not so fast on closing questions, as soon as they are answerable. I only wanted to le the OP know that the right thing to do is to report it.

@percusse no, they have it somewhere. Like we with the Czech ěščřžýáíéúůóďťň

ricmarques

12:34 AM

@percusse @percusse / @DavidCarlisle / @AlanMunn: OK, thanks for the info. I guess I'll go for the "screen capture" next time. I'll just have to pay attention to the image original dimensions (height and width)

Speravir

@tohecz : @egreg did this in his answer. But I meant the other questions now …

percusse

@tohecz At the expense of shifting to press punctuation or numbers right. My neighbour was French and it was crazy.

Alan Munn

tohecz

@percusse zeah, numbers are shifted

percusse

@tohecz Zat iz ze most terribilé zing.

tohecz

12:36 AM

@AlanMunn certainly a new one. The old French one had (has) all accented letters in the first row (it was necessary in the typewriter) and c has to be in the last row (because of cedille)

Alan Munn

@tohecz This is the Canadian version.

ricmarques

@tohecz Right, as we do in Portugal, i.e. the keyboards already have the accented characters - like "ç" - or the "accent symbols" - like "~" - so we can type the "letters with accents" by pressing the "accent symbol" followed by the letter to be accented to get, for instance, "ã". Hmmm... "Clear as mud?" :-/

tohecz

@percusse you get used to it. Actually, the most important thing in LaTeX is Ctrl+Shift, we don't have {} on our keyboard, and anyways I do all programming on us-intl

Speravir

AZERTY

AZERTY is a specific layout for the characters of the Latin alphabet on typewriter keys and computer keyboards. The layout takes its name from the first six letters to appear on the first row of alphabetical keys. Like the German QEWERTZ layout, it is modeled on the English QWERTY layout. It is used by most French speakers based in Europe, though France and Belgium each have their own national variations on the layout. The French speaking part of Switzerland uses the Swiss QWERTZ keyboard. Most of the citizens of Quebec, the French-speaking province of Canada, use a QWERTY keyboard that ...

tohecz

@ricmarques to me, clear as a water ;)

ricmarques

12:38 AM

@tohecz :)

Alan Munn

This is the French version:

tohecz

@Speravir I am in France, so I know. The first thing to get from the tech guy was an english keyboard, as long as I had French, I had to do everything with closed eyes and us-intl layout

Speravir

@tohecz YOU know, others seem not.

ricmarques

@AlanMunn My laptop keyboard is QWERTY... but it has the accented characters / accent symbols. Let me try to find some image of it.

tohecz

@ricmarques and do you have a multi-layout keyboard like me? :D

ricmarques

12:40 AM

@tohecz I don't think so... But I'll have to check what "multi-layout" means in this context.

Alan Munn

@tohecz When I was in Berlin, the German kezboard was just slightlz different from the English kezboard so zou would get some funnz errors.

Speravir

@Speravir There is something wrong in it: In Germany and Austria it is the QWERTZ keyboard (one “E” less):

QWERTZ

The QWERTZ or QWERTZU keyboard is a widely used computer and typewriter keyboard layout that is mostly used in Central Europe. The name comes from the first six letters at the top left of the keyboard: Q, W, E, R, T, and Z. The QWERTZ layout differs from the QWERTY layout in four major ways: * The positions of the "Z" and "Y" keys are switched, this change being made for two major reasons: :* "Z" is a much more common letter than "Y" in German; the latter rarely appears outside words whose spellings reflect either their importation from a foreign language or the Hellenization of an...

tohecz

@ricmarques voila:

Alan Munn

@tohecz Eeek!

ricmarques

@tohecz Nope, no need for that for us :)

tohecz

12:42 AM

@AlanMunn mine is not so complicated, but I've seen such ones

ricmarques

I guess it will be easier if I just take a photo of mine. Let me try it...

Speravir

What makes the backticks for Germans a bit difficult, as they are so called dead keys: To put them alone have to press ``` followed by pressing the space key. You may have norticed, that sometimes at least I forget after that to press the space key a second time.

tohecz

@ricmarques well, you hardly take a photo of your notebook keyboard with your notebook webcam, the concept of geometry is against

Speravir

@AlanMunn Oh, sorry. I did not notice …

ricmarques

@tohecz Who said I was going to use the notebook's webcam to take a photo of the notebook keyboard? :)

tohecz

12:45 AM

@ricmarques that was an explanation why I didn't photo it but better got an image from the internet

percusse

Well then look at this baby... world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/SpaceCadet.html

I'm gonna use it in every Why TeX does this like that? -Well it was designed with a keyboard like this :)

Alan Munn

@percusse Isn't that an APL keyboard? I haven't seen one in years. APL is such a cool language, but if you look away from the code you write for more than 10 minutes you can't understand what it does anymore.

David Carlisle

𝐂𝐚𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐲𝐩𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐤𝐞𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝?

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Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Show-off.

percusse

this

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egreg

12:49 AM

@percusse This statement is false

percusse

@AlanMunn I don't know but you can see the Emacs keys at the left side

tohecz

@percusse and the Facebook one at the right one

ricmarques

Almost there...

percusse

@egreg Hahaha. Sorry I needed an exit in the most pragmatic way. Defeat was unavoidable.

@tohecz Indeed crazy times. Ok grandma, press the hyper button

Alan Munn

It's not actually an APL keyboard. This is, though.

percusse

12:53 AM

@AlanMunn Klingon to Earth translator.

egreg

@percusse And what does "Hyper+Super+Meta+Control+Del" do? Self-destruction?

percusse

@egreg Probably compiles the TeX file.

David Carlisle

@egreg boots in to windows

percusse

@DavidCarlisle :-)

ricmarques

Best I could do with my mobile phone, a desk lamp and my "Mad IrfanView" crop skillz: imgur.com/mwOqp

Alan Munn

12:55 AM

@egreg It only works on 12/21/12

percusse

loading MS-DOS 1.77 tape... Make sure you pressed the play button or contact your system administrator to press it for you

ricmarques

If I paste the direct JPG url to this chat window, will the image be resized to a standard size or will it appear in the original unresized size? I ask because it's PRETTY big! :-/

Speravir

Ooooh, I was just going to buy the Optimus Maximus keyboard, but it’s sold out.

percusse

@ricmarques I feel adventurous today

@Speravir You must be filthy rich to buy stuff from art lebedev

ricmarques

@percusse OK. Take cover everyone! ;-)

Ah... nice :)

Feel free to click it, zoom in / zoom out and navigate the keyboard ;-)

Speravir

1:00 AM

@percusse Perhaps they have a secret wealth request in background and it just says it would be sold out? ;-)

percusse

@Speravir Oh that studio has incredible design items. But most of them are just concept designs. I'm surprised that they are actually selling it.

@Speravir For example I want this artlebedev.com/everything/reflectius

Speravir

@percusse GREAT!

ricmarques

OK. Time to sleep. Many thanks for the help with the graph @percusse :)

percusse

@ricmarques My pleasure.

ricmarques

:)

Bye everyone!

Speravir

1:07 AM

Funny: International Ridibundus

Unluckily unavailable: Asian Ridibundus

Speravir

2:12 AM

OMG:

2 hours ago, by Speravir

@egreg This could be a candidate: The font “Kozuka” can somehow not be used in XeLaTeX on my system. I left a comment.

This is really a shot in the dark: Security update for Windows lets fonts disappear. — Speravir 2 hours ago

That was it, Speravir! I can't believe it! The fonts disappear under certain applications even though they are actually there. If I open the PDF in SumatraPDF, they're visible! — user129552 16 mins ago

percusse

4:47 AM

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