The Quill and Tankard

Edlothiad

06:08

@amflare someone probably cleans them up (transcript lurkers) because we sometimes star less than savoury things

They might also be time based, the meta engine (as Ang likes to think of me as) is looking for something

Kepotx

07:04

@Edlothiad I see your comment, i will add some sources if necessary (i just made this yesterday before going to bed so I was tired)

and sure, there are some exception of metal on metal (jerusalem) or color on color (albany)

Edlothiad

I, personally, see sources as the be all and end all. If someone makes a point, where I'm like "hmm not too sure about that" and there's a source, I can confirm the accuracy without need for lengthy discussion.

Kepotx

by source you just mean link to wikipedia or historical treaties ?

Edlothiad

Nah just a link to something that seems reasonably "researched" that shows evidence

Although in my experience of looking at medieval arms, a lot of them have colour on colour

Although in your case you should definitely cite sources seeing as you've effectively copied verbatim from wikipedia haha

@Edlothiad Although this could be because I don't really understand what constitutes colour on colour and metal on metal.

Kepotx

oh gosh, internet network of my school is so bad that I either have internet on my boot windows but not on my ubuntu VM, or internet on my ubuntu but not on windows

Edlothiad

Paha, at least you're on SFF I was blocked all of yesterday at work

Kepotx

07:20

it's odd, some website seems to work much better than other

i can talk to you on the chat but can't acces to main sff stackexchange

Edlothiad

I had that yesterday!

Might be something to do with SFF

Do you have access to reddit?

A strange selection of sites were blocked for me

26/01/2018 7:22 UTC, 653 stars

(gives us a reference so we can confirm whether amflare is going crazy or not)

Kepotx

yes, i can go on reddit

Edlothiad

Probably SE then

I was blocked from reddit, SFF, slack and a weird rocket site which i've never been on

Kepotx

at work ?

Edlothiad

Ye, but only today, and only for select periods of the day

Kepotx

07:27

seems like google don't work

im not on the main network though

Edlothiad

4

Q: Stars mysteriously disappearing in the Python Chat Room

A few weeks ago, in the Python chat room, a few of the room owners got together and decided that the starred list was getting a bit out of hand (from memory about 100-150 messages, maybe even more). We cleaned up several of the useless messages that were in the list (a shame we can't cancel stars...

Unanswered :(

Kepotx

reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7t1t3k/…

quite interesting one

Edlothiad

@Kepotx :O A KNEELER!!!!! @TheLethalCarrot GET THE PITCHFORKS!

Kepotx

what to you mean by kneeler ?

Edlothiad

we (me/tlc-&-I/I-don't-really-know-who/mostly-me), dislike /r/asoiaf because of this obsession with marking spoilers and having to uncover spoiler and not being able to simply read things, they also delete a lot of posts that are quite funny but only tangentially related.

@Kepotx /r/asoiaf and /r/got users are kneelers because they've bowed to their mods. The only asoiaf/got subreddit for me is /r/freefolk, WE DO NOT KNEEL!

Kepotx

07:34

oh

Edlothiad

Also that's the main source of leaks over the past couple of seasons although most of the ones I've read this year are quite fake

@Kepotx Don't worry, it was just a silly joke

Kepotx

i don't go really often in reddit, so i didn't know

Edlothiad

But I have a (newfound as of ~7 months) personal hatred for spoilers

As in, I hate them being covered.

My personal rule is "if it's out it's out and it's your fault for not seeing it."

Kepotx

in some general site like SFF i disagree, but in site like reditt where you go in a particular section, yes

Edlothiad

Meh interesting but extremely baseles

Kepotx

07:36

the worst is website like 9gage where you just can't avoid spoilers

Edlothiad

@Kepotx If you open a question which is clearly about an entity you don't want to have soiled, that's your own damn fault.

I understand keeping spoilers outside of titles, but people try and change titles to "Why did this character do that thing"

Sorry that's not a question title, it needs to make some sense.

Kepotx

by question in SFF i mean spoilers on title.

Bael the Bard

0

Q: Is the North still in open rebellion?

After King Robb died at the Red Wedding and Roose Bolton becomes Warden of the North, there is no one in the North claiming to be a king. When Sansa marries Roose Bolton's son Ramsey Bolton she comes in contact with some people from the North that say 'the North remembers". Does this mean they a...

game-of-thrones

Kepotx

maybe we should invite him on the chat so we can clarify this here rather than in comments ?

JAD

pretty vague wording, but I guess he means after the red wedding,

Edlothiad

07:45

I've got it, just don't answer ;)

Kepotx

oh, "between King Robb and King Jon" dont mean Robb VS Jon but time lap between these two

JAD

@Kepotx exactly

I made an edit with explicit timing in the show, to make it more clear (hopefully)

Edlothiad

Now I need to figure out sources

@JAD I don't think your edit clarifies things

Edlothiad

08:18

@Aegon you can have the votes and the accept, I just want to hop on the HNQ train

Aegon

@Edlothiad It's a tie. You are still in it.

Edlothiad

Nah, you're answer makes sense, mines verbal diarrhoea

Aegon

I should get lunch. Ugh two straight days I missed Breakfast

I love Breakfasts! Damn you, SLEEEP!

Edlothiad

Pfft sleep is for the weak

I always eat breakfast, takes me 8 minutes, and somedays 3

If I only get a bronze badge though, @Aegon I'm going to be VERY angry.

Aegon

08:56

You might still get Enlightened badge
.

JAD

don't you need an accept for that?

Edlothiad

Ye, which Aegon can have

Aegon

@JAD Yup

OP might accept his ans.

Edlothiad

I trust it'll hit 25 upvotes if it hits the HNQ

Aegon

It's got videos

Edlothiad

08:58

Maybe I need to spice up the titles

JAD

ah yes

no reading :shudders:

Edlothiad

SFF OPs: VIDERHS MERK MEH HURRDURR

TheLethalCarrot

09:09

Mornin'

Edlothiad

Argh a downvote, why?!

Now I have to hit the repcap, fffff

TheLethalCarrot

Ha unlucky :P

Aegon

On the same answer? You still got 0 DVs there

Oh some necklace question

TheLethalCarrot

I don't really see why that question shouldda been DV'd

Edlothiad

On the TLJ necklace question, TBF there must be a reason beyond "sisters" cuz they showed that necklace about 10 times, with a couple of full screen closeups, one of her grabbing it

I'm betting the novelisation tells us it gives them force powers.

Haters gunna hate, I know I'm dope

(lol)

TheLethalCarrot

09:15

Haha, though I bet it just cos they're sisters and it's a good conductor so we can use it in the plot later on

Edlothiad

Nah way too much time at the start with closeups, what a waste that would be.

3 more close votes. JUST TOSS THEM RANDOMLY

would get me to 10 gold badges

TheLethalCarrot

I thought you didn't care about golds? :P

Edlothiad

Well not as much as I care about the silver badges

But who doesn't like having a host of Gold badges

Kepotx

09:38

If the warden of the south are supposed to defend the throne of dornish attacks, why they didn't destroy the title once dorne became a vassal of iron throne ?

I mean, was'nt it oddly seen by dornishmen that they are still sen as a danger to the throne ?

Edlothiad

Because the Warden of the south is needed in the same way that the Warden of the N, E and W are needed

Kepotx

you see them as purely symbolic ?

JAD

@Kepotx they are mostly that

Kepotx

well, lannister are fighting ironborns, and northman are fighting freefolks

Edlothiad

Sure they fought people at times, but that would've been the case regardless of whether they were Wardens or not.

Who did the Wardens of the East ever defend people from if that was the need for the title?

JAD

09:46

> Lord Tywin turned back to Littlefinger. "If Lysa Arryn will take you for a husband and return to the king's peace, we shall restore the Lord Robert to the honor of Warden of the East. How soon might you leave?"

Edlothiad

they forgot a u

JAD

murrica

Edlothiad

mrrica, by their logic

Aegon

10:00

@Edlothiad Step Stones?

Actually no

Arryns are too far

Ignore that

Baratheons and Martells would be better positioned to play a more important role than Arryns

Still, The office is important, just in case let's say Valyrian Empire is reforged. Or Free cities unite in from of Triarchy and decide to attack Westeros

Edlothiad

@Aegon Do you take me for a fool?

Aegon

@Edlothiad Calm down Viserys

:D

Edlothiad

@Aegon Viserys Plumm?

Aegon

@Edlothiad No, Khal Rhaggat.

You know, how he and illyrio went. "Do you take me for a fool?", "I take you for a King, Kings lack the caution of the common men"

Edlothiad

@Aegon Viserys II?

Aegon

10:05

No, Viserys I

Edlothiad

:O

How insulting!

Aegon

Or Viserys 1.5

Edlothiad

You sir are unwelcome here!

Viserys II best Viserys

I'm 99% sure that new one is a dupe

Can't find it

Aegon

10:22

which new one

Bael the Bard

1

Q: Why did Eddard Stark bring Ice to King's Landing?

I don't remember if it was explicitly confirmed , but the fact that Tywin gets his hands on Ice, while being in King's Landing, says that Eddard Stark brought it with him when he moved from Winterfell. I wonder would he need this giant sword. It's not a sword for actual fights, only used for beh...

game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire character-motivation

Aegon

ah

JAD

@Edlothiad same

Edlothiad

Was it on the other site?

Kepotx

good question though

Edlothiad

10:25

It's pretty clear why

Average question

Kepotx

yup, "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" + prestige/figure of starks

Edlothiad

@Aeg, ninja'd

Aegon

@Edlothiad Yeah this one is going into HNQ

Bebs V

Hi all

Aegon

Bonjour Bebs

Bebs V

10:31

I agree with the "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword"

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad We discussed it in here once so that might be why you remember it, also what's with the bunch of new questions when I'm out testing machines and away from my desk? -_-

Bebs V

but it should also be the same for Robb back in winterfell, and the King has his own Justice to shorten people

can someone occupy the two positions, Hand and Justice ?

Aegon

@BebsV King rarely condemned people to death

He had other pursuits, such as reminiscing about Bessie and her big tracts of land

The business of justice fell to his hand

Like all other business of governance.

TheLethalCarrot

The king eats, they say, and the Hand takes the shit.

Kepotx

gosh, after a rapid calculation, Ice was Stark's valyrian sword for only 5% of STark House history

Bebs V

10:37

So Ned took his big f*cking sword with him to behead people while Robb will use wooden training swords :)

Kepotx

the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword*

*at least 3 times if it's bad quality blade

TheLethalCarrot

Ned with Ice 298 AC (colourised)

Edlothiad

@Kepotx How did you calculate that?

@BebsV I'd remind you to please watch your language, a star to hide one letter does not make it simply ok.

Kepotx

I assume that Ice is 400 years old, Starks hous 8000

Aegon

@Edlothiad It's 400 years old. Whereas Starks have been around for Thousands

Kepotx

10:41

so 400/8000 = 5%

Edlothiad

Well there you go.

I don't know how old Ice is.

Kepotx

let me find the quote

Catelyn had no love for swords, but she could not deny that Ice had its own beauty. It had been forged in Valyria, before the Doom had come to the old Freehold, when the ironsmiths had worked their metal with spells as well as hammers. Four hundred years old it was, and as sharp as the day it was forged. The name it bore was older still, a legacy from the age of heroes, when the Starks were Kings in the North.

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn I

a search of ice and fire is pure gold

Aegon

Had they captured Gregor and returned him to King's Landing, Eddard would've certainly ensured that he would be the one to cause Gregor's head to roll.

TheLethalCarrot

You'd have gameofsearches too if I could ever be bothered to finish it

Aegon

Kepotx

10:44

@TheLethalCarrot quote search engine for the tv show ?

TheLethalCarrot

Yeah

I've started it but lost motivation when I saw how many transcripts weren't annotated

Kepotx

" Lord *** refused to pay"

ah, tha famous "***" House

Edlothiad

@Aegon I don't know what you're talking about, I clearly forgot "and he was not injured"

Aegon

@Kepotx Haha and I have no clue which house it Was

TheLethalCarrot

The gets at x10hosting have deleted my account, good job I have all the source files locally still

Kepotx

10:48

Cerwyn i think, but not sure

Aegon

@Edlothiad I r kidding friend

Edlothiad

Ok lunch, I'm super late

Kepotx

and as i can't play video right now, i can't be sure, but i will maybe check it this night

genius.com/Game-of-thrones-high-sparrow-script-annotated

according to this script, it's Cerwyn but i don't know if it's reliable

TheLethalCarrot

The genius transcripts are usually quite good

They have a few mistakes but they're mainly typos

Bebs V

One thing that makes me wonder every time, is that Jon Arryn seems to be described as a calm, decent and wise man, but still has twisted way to prison (moon cells) and execute (moon door) people

Aegon

10:53

@BebsV Traditions and heritage mate

He didn't build the cells and door

His ancestors did

TheLethalCarrot

^

Aegon

They actually consider it "an elegant way"

Bebs V

@Aegon I know, but still had to apply it, probably in front of young Ned and Robert

Aegon

Probably because the Lords don't have to see the gore. Doesn't mean that there is no gore at all. Stupid Arryns, As dumb as Hodor!

Bebs V

so there are some place in the Eyrie full of bones

"elegant"

Aegon

10:55

Doubt it, Shadow Cats, native to the Vale, would wipe it all clean and crack the bones for marrow

Kepotx

Traditional Eyre song : youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E

Aegon

Splintered bones, maybe

TheLethalCarrot

@Aegon Get 14 more ASOIAF answers and hammer that new question :P

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot 14 more..... The bridge too far. Might find the motivation to get it in one go when you need only 28 more answers

Bael the Bard

0

Q: Is Jeyne Westerling pregnant?

The main difference I've noted between the TV Series and the books is that Robb Stark's lover/wife lives in the books. Is there any evidence pointing that she might be pregnant and we'll have a new legitimate heir to the North soon?

a-song-of-ice-and-fire

TheLethalCarrot

10:59

@Aegon Haha, if you and Ed stop answering the new questions I'll get my count up

@BaeltheBard Tis dupe

JAD

> "His heir failed him." Robb ran a hand over the rough weathered stone. "I had hoped to leave Jeyne with child . . . we tried often enough, but I'm not certain . . ."

TheLethalCarrot

@Aegon I thought SE would get us this nice present for getting golds but turns out it's sold out :P

Bael the Bard

11:13

0

Q: Which ancestral weapon is the oldest?

Some House's proudly bear their ancestral weapon, usually a Valyrian steel made sword even if there are exceptions such as dawn. Which one of these ancestral weapons is claimed to be the oldest?

game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire weapon

Edlothiad

@BaeltheBard Technically dawn

@TheLethalCarrot I've got a present in the mail from SE!

TheLethalCarrot

Do you really?

Edlothiad

Ye boiiiii!!!!

For becoming the top FP reviewer ;)

TheLethalCarrot

Is it a hat?

Who updoots Egg's crappy stub answer and ignores my sourced one? Eh? I will hunt you down!

Edlothiad

Who updoots aeg's wordy answer instead of my well sourced one?

They just see the name =.=

TheLethalCarrot

11:26

Yeah, I'm gilded to now though :P

I have updooted Egg's now it's sourced though

The stub answers are starting to grind on my a bit now though

Edlothiad

Egg sucks, yes he does!

@TheLethalCarrot I think it's a tshirt, it was for this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304500/…

TheLethalCarrot

Haha fair enough

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot Dear Diary, they are on to my sock-puppet. We need to lay low for few days

Someone else started with a stub answer today as well

:P

scifi.stackexchange.com/revisions/179881/1

TheLethalCarrot

Oh no the disease is spreading

Edlothiad

Ah not a stub, just a bad answer

I realised and made it better

Aegon

11:39

@TheLethalCarrot I think they give some swag for people hitting 100k

TheLethalCarrot

Maybe though I guess it's changed over the years with more people getting to the higher milestones

Aegon

@Edlothiad Mine aren't stubs either. I realize they could use some improvements and then I make the said improvements. ;)

TheLethalCarrot

You're not fooling anyone haha

Is the ASOIAF tag a universe tag for the books or do we need a universe tag? (For books only)

Say someone asks about D&E should they fall under ASOIAF?

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot It's treated as a universe tag

All prequels+main series

And perhaps maybe, in due time, sequels

Edlothiad

@Aegon Mods, 100k, 250k, some meta give aways, etc

@Aegon Lol, good one.

TheLethalCarrot

11:45

Lol

Aegon

@Edlothiad I know, should've submitted it to r/jokes

TheLethalCarrot

On that note should GoT cover the showverse spin offs too then?

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot We should probably discuss that when there are spin-offs

TheLethalCarrot

Should we? Back dating the tag is a pain even now

Waiting for 2019 would be an even bigger pain

And that's just for the pilot stage I think

Aegon

Well if we must, I am in favor using the same tag

But I am not particularly against new tags either

IOW, I don't care either way. @Edlothiad Loves a good meta debate

Let's see when will he chime in

TheLethalCarrot

11:49

If ASOIAF covers the universe scope I'm inclined to say GoT should cover it's universe scope too but I'm not sure on it to be honest

Edlothiad

@Aegon I'm trying to figure out this Tolkien question, unlike ASOIAF, these are rather complex... ;P

Aegon

Experiment time, let's see if adding "In Westeros" to the title draws more traffic to @Kepotx Question

41 minutes, 50 views till now

That's 0.82 visits per minute

Let's see if we can take it up

Edlothiad

What if he's not limiting it to Westeros!

@Kepotx please chime in!

@Aegon I need the questions I answered to be in the HNQ, not yours!

Aegon

@Edlothiad Yes, Good Hobbits, bad Sauron. Very complex stuff

@Edlothiad The World of Ice and Fire then

Or Planetos

Edlothiad

Pfft, you let me know when the ASOIAF tag gets into these complexities as opposed to "Who was this" "which was that"

5

Q: Was The Hobbit meant to be an adaptation of There and Back Again by Bilbo?

I know that The Hobbit was written before LOTR and retconned to be part of the legendarium in the second edition. I also understand it was to some extent a children's book. Both of these explain the stylistic differences between it and LOTR. Another possible (albeit fictional) explanation of th...

tolkiens-legendarium lord-of-the-rings the-hobbit

Aegon

11:54

But these won't have the same affect as "Westeros"

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad Doesn't seem complex to me, "Was the Hobbit inspired by the in universe book?"

Aegon

@Edlothiad You know, You can pull something reaaaaaaally complex like Idk, get an undead ghost army to help you with that.

Edlothiad

@Aegon Lol

@TheLethalCarrot Hmm, but then you need to get into the intricacies of whether Tolkien was an editor, Translator or inspired, which then leads into Aelfwine/Eriol and his presence in both the early and late versions of the Legendarium.

Aegon

5 minutes have passed and 20 new visits. The experiment is a success

Self five

Edlothiad

@Aegon or the HNQ, or more Americans online or various other things

TheLethalCarrot

11:57

Yeah cos of your constant edit bumps haha

Edlothiad

Also It's forbidden by SFF law to make a title clickbait-y so I could revert it until OP makes the changes themselves ;P

Aegon

@Edlothiad It's not click-baity tho

TheLethalCarrot

To be fair the question asks about Houses so Westeros really whereas changing it to Planetos is a bit different in my opinion

Edlothiad

Anyways, you then need to consider the fact that in the early legendarium, Aelfwine wouldn't have acquired the Red book as it hadn't existed, or that there was no guarantee that a copy had reached Tol Eressea.

As opposed to "Dawn, it's old"

@Aegon Was yoke

TheLethalCarrot

I'm gonna find a crappy TL question and a good ASOIAF question and compare them and make the opposite argument

Aegon

12:00

@Edlothiad Why? Eagle Mail didn't serve Tol Eressea?

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Lol, find the best of both and compare

@Aegon Eagle's didn't serve anyone but Manwë

TheLethalCarrot

Best not meaning most updoots cos I ain't using damn gates

Edlothiad

Although good thing Dany's got the Drogon Express, otherwise Jon would be GG'd

@TheLethalCarrot Damn

Aegon

@Edlothiad Boo Show Heresy.

Edlothiad

@Aegon Only because GRRM takes a lifetime to finish the books

Aegon

12:01

You had to resort to quoting show, We win.

Edlothiad

@Aegon Only because of incomplete material

Would love to quote the books, but the author is busy making money as opposed to creating his world :O

TheLethalCarrot

Aegon

@Edlothiad Quality takes time ;) It's much easier to say, Ok Jon is good, NK bad. Jon wins with help of an undead army and Eagles say meh, we are proud and right stuck-up pricks but we will give the suicide squad a ride home, whatever my dude.

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot These gifs get better and better

@Aegon Quality takes time, but it also requires writing, "it's in my head" =/= quality

Did I forget to mention King Viserys the I's tax plan?

That was a good addition, oh wait...

Aegon

@Edlothiad Just as brilliant as King Aragorn's plan to deal with the remaining orcs and other associates of Sauron

Edlothiad

12:06

Well there was a plan, it was just not published.

Aegon

@Edlothiad Well there is a policy. It's not just written yet :D

TheLethalCarrot

2 mins ago, by Edlothiad

@Aegon Quality takes time, but it also requires writing, "it's in my head" =/= quality

Edlothiad

That argument doesn't work, however, as Tolkien had never said "Shakespeare should mention how King Lear dealt with the remaining orcs"

@TheLethalCarrot It is written. I said not published, silly goose.

This argument is futile, yo're all caught in his web of lies ;P

Also I'm touching cloth and concentrating so we'll call it a win for TL

@TheLethalCarrot His drink is too small, no way it's going to last him

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad Like a sword that can't cut through a cob web? :P

@Edlothiad I know right, hopefully he has a few spares

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Exactly, you all are Sam, I however am Frodo

TheLethalCarrot

12:12

You must find that daft? A sword that can't cut a spider web? Not having that...

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot It's fantasy, my sweet summer child.

TheLethalCarrot

The worst argument ever

I can't explain why something works the way it does! Oh errr... It's fantasy :P

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot It's a trap. George said that

TheLethalCarrot

I know

It's still a terrible argument

Brilliant comment

@DavyM. couldn't agree more. I was fired for practices I've picked up here. I'm praised for drawing Free-Hand-Circles around things causing issues here on SO. This practice didn't go over well when we had our quarterly HR reviews when I started drawing circles on people's foreheads. Fired instantly for this practice. What gives?! this was a MVCE of why things weren't working... geesh. I since flagged them for VLQ on glassdoor — MattR yesterday

Edlothiad

12:30

Why is it on the day I'm most awake and willing to do work you all decide to be lively...

IT'S GONE THE BLOODY STAR IS GONE!

3

TheLethalCarrot

And on the day I'm testing out in the show room a lot of new Q's decide to appear?

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot So Shelob was the last of the off-spring of a mystical creature of unknown origin. Shelob. Shelob was a great creature in the form of a spider, her webs was so great and evil the absorbed light and she lived for darkness. She was so powerful when she attacked Melkor (uber big baddy) he called his Balrogs to go sort her out. She then consumed the two trees (she hates light) ran off to Middle-earth and created some babies., The light of the two trees inside her caused her so much hatred

TheLethalCarrot

TL;DR

Edlothiad

She ate herself. Shelob is a descendent of Ungoliant (big bad spider) and hence her webs are more powerful then the letter opener wielded by Sam.

@TheLethalCarrot It's fantasy, suck it up, princess

TheLethalCarrot

I like how sometimes you ignore the bait and other times you go all in after it until the hook is so far through your lip you can't talk anymore

Edlothiad

12:36

@TheLethalCarrot I like to keep my readers on their toes, no point making it too obvious what I'm going to do next

Gosh it's been 22 years since AGOT

TheLethalCarrot

12:57

@Edlothiad Hahaha

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