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12:32 AM
dupe (or OT "EOL" -- but though it will be easier to upgrade if the login loop problem is fixed)
1:11 AM
OT bug - I think that's preferable to no repro in this case.
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3:41 AM
Are, uh... creative custom OT sub-reasons becoming a trend? This question had been unclear. That one is a duplicate (or arguably OT "EOL" based on information in the original question).
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@EliahKagan I think this is a good dupe target. I have voted to close as dupe, However, since 3 unclear votes are already there, it is likely to be closed as unclear unless dupe hammer is used.
Thanks. I've duped it with my hammer.
Great. Thanks.
@EliahKagan OP edited and removed KDE
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1:37 PM
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@Kulfy Are you sure that's not ne? Is my edit on the post wrong?
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Should this OP be asked to run and show results from the wireless info script? Or can the wireless adapter and driver installation procedure be inferred from the make and model in this case?
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2:44 PM
@EliahKagan I don't think "Did you try X" is an answer. Or is it?
@Kulfy I don't think the wording tells us whether or not it's an answer. I think that if it is recommending a specific course of action that is intended to solve the problem (for questions describing problems, I mean), then it is an answer.
The meta question Should “try this” or “x doesn't work, use y” type answers be flagged? is closely related to this issue, but perhaps not decisive, since it focuses especially on a particular canned comment that was once popular.
And what was that?
I mean comment.
The Yoda "famous philosopher" comment quoted in the meta question.
As a famous philosopher once said .......?
2:57 PM
@EliahKagan Ok so that was an answer. Got it. Thanks :)
Well, if I was right in my interpretation that it was intended as a possible solution, then I think yes.
I was unsure about the "for different output device" thing though, and the post is kind of vague.
IMO the main problem with the canned comment that meta question asks about is that it says all such posts should all be comments instead, which goes against this policy.
I'm not sure if that (the answer) would actually help ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@EliahKagan I think a suggestion can be sufficiently unclear and/or disconnected from the details of a question to be NAA. I don't think that's an especially common sub-case of NAA, but I think it exists. Even those posts, which merit deletion, shouldn't usually be comments, though.
@Kulfy Yeah, neither am I.
@EliahKagan Aren't suggestions==NAA?
3:12 PM
I don't think so.
Or, more precisely, when they are, I don't think it's because they're suggestions.
The best form for uncertain answers would be one that pins down the uncertainty, such as "Sometimes this problem is caused by [cause]. When it is, I have found that it can usually be solved by [solution]. I am not sure exactly when this works, because [reason]." (I don't mean specifically that wording, just that it is good for answers to include that kind of information when they are uncertain in nature and the information is available.)
But even answers that are initially written with the intention of addressing the situation described in a question but don't help the OP can be good answers. This is one of the reasons allowing and keeping multiple answers to the same question is a strength of the Stack Exchange system.
On the other hand, being a suggestion doesn't make something an answer when it wouldn't be one anyway, e.g., if there's no actual answer present in the post because it's just a link with no explanation, or when it's just a general platitude or commentary about an issue that is related to the post.
That's my take on it, anyway.
But I guess it might depend on what one considers to be a suggestion. Of course, I was the one who brought that vague term into this conversation. :)
What I meant by it was what terdon was referring to when he wrote:
> Words like "try" and "might" are absolutely no indication that something is not an answer.
I'm not claiming that even this is decisive, though, at least not without the surrounding context. That post (and Zanna's) aren't statements of policy except to the extent that meta votes on them represent a community consensus. Like, I'm not suggesting that the particular text I quoted is true because terdon said it; I do believe it is true, but that's not the reason.
On Ask Ubuntu, we tend to consider posts that effectively answer a different question than the one that was asked to be NAA. The line between those answers and answers that are just wrong but attempt to answer the question that was asked is sometimes murky. Sometimes posts phrased as suggestions are misunderstanding the question and don't apply to a correct reading of the question. I suspect this happens more often with posts phrased in uncertain terms than it does with others.
So I don't want to say "suggestions aren't NAA" because in practice they often are NAA.
@EliahKagan *mainly because they may help other users who have a problem that can reasonably be described as the same, or similar, to the problem in the question, and who find the question and its answers by searching.
@Kulfy But anyway, "Did you try X" is phrased as a question, so in cases where it really is offering a specific course of action intended to solve the problem described in the question, it should usually be edited to reword it, so that it is clear that it is really answer.
My concern with that post is that perhaps it wasn't really intended as a solution and I misunderstood it. This is also why I didn't provide my own feedback to Natty yet; I am actually concerned I may be mistaken in this particular case.
I've commented on the post. Maybe the author will edit the answer. And I won't give feedback to Natty on it (at least not for a while--maybe matters will become clearer).
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I think this question is unclear rather than off-topic. The OP hasn't described a specific problem installing Ubuntu with that hardware.
4:53 PM
@EliahKagan Thanks for explaining :)
5:48 PM
The question is not about changing the Alt-Tab behaviour from "app switcher" to "window switcher" but quite clearly is about disabling the MRU switching order.
Yes, I agree. Actually, it seems to me that we should consider the answer NAA, given what the question is asking for. Am I interpreting the situation too harshly? (It didn't have any delete votes when I looked at it.)
@EliahKagan I also feel this should be deleted from this question. It had an upvote so I couldn't cast a delete vote before, now I did.
Ah, okay.
It might be good to check back later in case it is deleted but then the author edits it so that it answers (or can more plausibly be considered to answer) the question asked there. But I have also voted to delete it (and flagged it NAA).
@EliahKagan If you are feeling bad, then perhaps it would reasonable to ask the answerer to post a self-answered question for it?
I'm not feeling bad about it, I just didn't notice that nobody would've been able to cast a delete vote on it before mine (except from review).
With that said, if we don't yet have a question to which that post would be an answer, then suggesting the author post a self-answered question would be a good thing.
I seem to recall we do already have something like that, though. Don't we?
5:56 PM
@EliahKagan Oh, yes, we have this canonical question: askubuntu.com/questions/747541/…
6:24 PM
OT bug (some other close reasons may also apply, but I think that's the best one for it)
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7:42 PM
Does this indentation edit improve the post in some way?
@EliahKagan I cast the last VTC here seeing it was going to get closed anyway? Want to reopen it? Ping me, I'll VTR.
@pomsky I do think we should consider that on-topic, yes. I think it would be better if you had not voted to close it, in part because now the system won't let you participate in reclosing it as a duplicate if it's reopened and a dupe target for it is found. Anyway, I have voted to reopen it; if you also think it is reasonable to consider the question on-topic, then I urge you to cast a reopen vote on it as well.
@EliahKagan I think we can leave this closed as a duplicate. That's another disadvantage of the two-character indentation edit--now it's in the reopen queue for that change, and subsequent edits by the OP will probably not lead to attention by reviewers. But I think it stays in the reopen queue--and would be ineligible to go back in the queue due to subsequent edits--even if I were to roll back the edit that put it there.
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