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@Kulfy The NAA Value is 3.5. The explanation for the filters is:
1.0 - Contains ?
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@Natty I'm not sure about that one. Even without the link, attempting to install from DVD instead of USB is a specific solution, and I suspect it would have worked, though it's not quite the solution that worked for the OP (which involved using a different point release ISO as well).
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 3.0;
 
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^^ That might be an answer if the script it recommends worked on Ubuntu. Instead (according to the post itself) the script only supports Windows but could potentially be modified one day to support Ubuntu as well.
It's also borderline link-only, though, so I figured it was reasonable to give tp feedback for it. Either way I think it's definitely NAA.
 
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5:01 PM
doesn't look like a useful answer, quite a low quality post from a user with 1k+ rep
 
and another attempt to reply by the same editor on another answer to the same question
 
@EliahKagan I wasn't sure if I should reject them as "attempt to reply" or as vandalism, but it could be that the author really thinks such edits on multiple posts like that are acceptable, so for now I recommend rejecting them as "attempt to reply" (or "clearly conflicts with author's intent). If there are more such edits, it would probably be good to switch to rejecting them as "spam or vandalism."
 
@EliahKagan rejected both as " an attempt to reply"
 
Thanks.
 
5:08 PM
not clear (or too-broad)
@EliahKagan OP abode, but posted an answer containing just the link to the target question.
better to delete it for auto-redirection
 
@pomsky I agree, though I think it's a bit closer to the borderline than it may seem, in that it looks to be about text processing, which has long been a key use case for Unix-like operating systems. It's specifically about a problem with specific Python code, though. At least as written I think it's off-topic. I've voted to close it (which closed it) and commented.
Maybe unclear would've been better. I'm not sure.
 
@EliahKagan Agreed, it seems unclear would've been better as OP didn't come back to clarify any of the queries
 
@pomsky I don't think I agree with deleting that answer.
> the reason was indeed the interrupted update process
is relevant information that I think makes it an answer and clarifies why the question is a duplicate.
If that doesn't qualify as an answer and can't be modified into something that does, then I think the dupe closure may not actually be correct. Because it's not totally clear why it's a dupe without that information. If it had been posted as a comment I wouldn't tell them to post it as an answer... but even without the link it does contain an explanation of the cause of the problem.
@pomsky OTOH, the benefit of closing it as off-topic is that, if we closed it as unclear and they did later come back to clarify it, and then it got reopened and reclosed as off-topic shortly thereafter, the OP might reasonably feel that they were misled into putting forth unworthwhile effort. I think the OT closure is okay.
 
@EliahKagan fair enough
@EliahKagan true that
 
@pomsky I'm not totally sure if I'm right about this. I guess one of the questions is, is it better for people to be (in most cases) invisibly redirected to the dupe target, or is it better for people to see the explanation of the connection first? My feeling is that readers will actually benefit significantly, at least in some cases, by seeing the explanation first.
Has the interface that lets an OP (even if low-rep) agree their question is a dupe and have it closed been changed lately? New users seem to be doing that more often lately. This seems like a good thing, I'm just wondering if it's actually a trend and, if so, why.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Contains Whitelisted Word - This is a bug; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 2.0;
 
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@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
This 19.10 question was edited to clarify that the problem persists after updates. It could be due to a bug but I don't think there's any strong reason to assume so. So I think the question is now on-topic and should be reopened.
 
 
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[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Contains Whitelisted Word - You can; Low Rep; 1.0;
 
@user3140225 VTC'd. Should it (or the target) get another answer about that?
 
7:11 PM
@user3140225 Why?
 
@EliahKagan You mean the first comment?
 
Yes.
 
@Kulfy Oh, sorry. I meant "primarily opinion based", not too broad. Don't know why I wrote "too broad".
@EliahKagan Does it answer to the question though? The op asks about setting a key binding, while the comment provides another option to switch users. Except if I don't understand it correctly.
 
@user3140225 Good point--I'm not sure. I don't currently have an Xubuntu system set up to check it on.
 
@user3140225 Although it might look like POB on first look but still I'm not convinced to VTC.
 
7:25 PM
@EliahKagan I do, but I'm not on my PC right now. I'll check it tomorrow and I'll let you know. If it qualifies for an answer, what is the recommended way to handle it? Notify the commenter to add it as an answer or just add an answer crediting the commenter?
 
I think either way is acceptable but since the commenter might be willing to write the answer I'd suggest asking them if they'll do it. But we could also just ask him right now for clarification about whether or not that comment provides an answer. I think you have a stronger understanding of the topic of the question than I have, which is why I've held off on replying to that comment.
But if you think the comment might be able to lead to an answer but prefer not to ask for clarification yourself, then I can just post a comment right now about it. It's up to you.
no improvement whatsoever I rejected it with the custom reason:
> We very much want people to say what they tried, especially when it didn't help. Otherwise, they'll likely get answers recommending the same things.
 
@Kulfy I understand. Although it is useful as a question, to me it looks like a question that anyone can recommend their favorite IDE to.
 
Yeah but 7 years and still lacking a good answer.
 
Is that comment actually correct? My impression is that it is not, but there are many IDEs I haven't used and I don't know about their capabilities or what plugins are available for them. If it is accurate, the question could probably be closed as a duplicate. Otherwise, I'd keep it open--or at least not close it as POB or too broad.
(There's an argument to be made that it's unclear, because what requirement is the "GTK 3" part actually expressing? I have not VTC'd it though.)
 
@EliahKagan I would prefer to check the suggestion and then ask for clarification (tommorow), but of course you can just ask now if you'd like.
 
7:36 PM
@EliahKagan I don't think OP actually knows what exactly GTK3 is.
 
@user3140225 I'm definitely fine with that -- it means I don't have to do anything! :)
@Kulfy Well, the OP hasn't been to the site (while logged in, anyway) for about five years, so asking would probably not succeed at getting clarification.
 
Indeed.
 
@Kulfy True, because all Linux IDEs suck!
Just kidding.
@EliahKagan :)
 
@user3140225 Clearly you should post an answer recommending running a Windows system in VirtualBox for Python development. :)
 
@EliahKagan Hahaha! And this would be the only upvoted answer!
 
7:46 PM
I'm not sure if that'll be upvoted, but I am pretty sure that it'll end up in LQP. :P
 
@Kulfy :(
 
The best version of that answer would recommend an IDE that is in the Ubuntu repositories and only runs natively on GNU/Linux systems. Your answer would describe how to cross-compile it on an old SGI graphics workstation running IRIX, then copy it to the VirtualBox guest (whose host system is Ubuntu so that it's not NAA) and run it in the Windows 10 guest system using WSL.
Most of the answer would be instructions explaining how to build the cross-compiler.
(unrelated :) unclear
 
@EliahKagan Wow. This would be so bad, that it would deserve an upvote.
@EliahKagan Some of the IDEs in that post are actually fine for Python (e.g. Eclipse, Vim, emacs), but others are specifically for other languages (e.g. RStudio, codeblocks). So this cannot be a duplicate and the comment is not bad, in my opinion.
 
8:03 PM
@user3140225 Based on the idea that, with enough upvotes, it might cycle around to a negative value whose magnitude is some large power of 2? :)
@user3140225 Okay.
unclear (but probably not off-topic, see comments... I think it's worth closing even though the close reason may be shown as "off-topic" though)
@user3140225 I just noticed that this older question asking for Python IDEs was duped to the general IDE recommendation question. And its answers were merged... which was perhaps not such a good thing.
 
@EliahKagan Hahaha! Just to show some respect for thinking of this and managing to make an answer like that on-topic!
 
Well, managing to make it actually answer the question that was asked. :)
 
@EliahKagan Yeah, that looks like a bad decision. Can it be reverted or we just accept that it happened and go on?
 
@user3140225 I think it technically could be reverted with the assistance of SE employees. But I think the better course in this case would probably be to accept that it happened and go on.
 
@EliahKagan Fine by me.
 
8:18 PM
But it might be useful to examine which answers came from the Python-specific question.
 
@EliahKagan Hey, I think that the Python questions were merged together, not with the general IDEs question.
So the merging was right.
 
Merged together?
Oh, I see!
I wrongly assumed they were merged into the dupe target, even though I do actually know that (just about) any closed question can be merged into (just about) any open question.
Thanks!
 
@EliahKagan Yeah, that's what I thought too at first. All good!
 
So, should Python GTK 3 IDE be closed as a duplicate of What are the best Python IDEs? Or should it not, on the grounds that Python GTK 3 IDE states more specific requirements? I am not sure.
I'm somewhat inclined not to dupe it to that, since the answers there aren't what I think hardly anybody would want to use for Python development these days.
Maybe I should just post a new answer to the question.
 
@EliahKagan The requirements are not so specific, since every IDE offers autocomplete and method description features.
 
8:28 PM
Well, if they're IDEs with Python support they offer those for Python, yes.
 
A new answer seems like the best option.
 
@user3140225 Yeah, I can see now that the merge was definitely fine -- I tried opening askubuntu.com/questions/60873/a-great-python-ide-for-ubuntu in a private browsing window (to see how it redirects for users who aren't logged in) and it redirected to the merge target askubuntu.com/questions/204513/what-are-the-best-python-ides
(For a moment, I feared it would redirect to the dupe target askubuntu.com/questions/48299/…; I'm pleased to see the system prioritizes dupe targets over merge targets for automatic redirection, when they both exist and are different.)
@user3140225 Do you want to write it?
I think it's reasonable to put multiple IDEs in one answer. (If it's not reasonable to do that, I think that would be a sign that the question really is too broad or POB.)
 
@EliahKagan Great!
 
@EliahKagan Sorry, I meant to say, I am pleased to see the system prioritizes merge targets over dupe targets when they both exist and are different, not the other way around.
 
@EliahKagan I mainly use VSCode and Jupyter Lab for Python development and I can definitely write an answer about those. However, I cannot write about Vim or emacs, which definitely have these features, because the plugin installing procedure is quite lengthy and not very easy.
 
8:40 PM
@user3140225 I don't think it's a problem for it to have multiple answers, just that covering multiple IDEs in a single answer is good. A separate answer could still be posted explaining how to use Vim or Emacs in this way (if there is someone who uses both Vim and Emacs and knows how to set them up for code completion in Python).
I was thinking of VS Code and PyCharm. PyCharm is mentioned in an existing answer but only in passing. It is not described, and the three different flavors of it (Community, Pro, and PyCharm Edu) are not described.
@EliahKagan Assuming I'm right to think that it's better not to red-flag it, in case the OP's intentions are good, it should also be VTC'd. I went with unclear.
 
@EliahKagan OK then, but this goes for tomorrow too. If you or Kulfy or anyone else want to answer it before I do, you are more than welcome.
 
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[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; Possible Link Only; No Code Block; Low Rep; 4.0;
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; Possible Link Only; No Code Block; Low Rep; 4.0;
 
^^ If expanded, those would be answers. As they are, I think they're link-only and NAA.
@user3140225 I might get to it, but most likely not. Assuming I don't, I look forward to your (or Kulfy or whoever else's) answer! :)
Also, if you post the answer instead of me, it will carry that benefit. :)
 
@EliahKagan Cool! :)
 
9:22 PM
seems clear to me, but I've transcribed the text from the terminal to make it clearer. I don't think it should be closed now.
I think this question must be a duplicate of something, but I'm having trouble finding it. We do have something for how to run shell scripts, don't we?
dupe, not OT
This edit looks good to me, even though its edit summary is a bit misleading.
 
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@EliahKagan I was wrong; that question is actually unclear after all. Sorry! See my comment on the question and the comments on my answer for why I now believe it is unclear.
 
10:58 PM
too broad (but I don't think it's off-topic; we don't require every question to say the word "Ubuntu" or anything like that, and the question clearly applies to every Ubuntu system)
I approved this edit but I should have clicked "Edit" to improve it (or possibly even rejected it) to remove what appear to be a whole lot of extra whitespace added in the Markdown to overcome the character limit. That whitespace isn't rendered, but it will be annoying to anyone who edits or otherwise reads the Markdown. I recommend clicking Improve on it to fix that (or rejecting the edit).
Do we have something for this? It looks like the system is (re)setting its time based on NTP.
 
11:19 PM
I've observed that on Ask Ubuntu but didn't post on Meta Stack Exchange. I'm not sure why I didn't but I think it was that I assumed it was the same bug as Post undeleted and converted to comment still shows as being deleted from review.
It might not be, though, and either way based on the information available to users it's good that it's separately reported, especially since the new bug report covers a situation that is probably more common.
 

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