Raiders of the Lost Downboat

Eliah Kagan

12:32 AM

I think they should post their own answer instead.

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pomsky

Are questions like this considered no-repro?

"No idea why it's not launching --> reinstallation fixes it"

Eliah Kagan

That's not no repro. It makes sense that reinstalling that package would fix it. It's a specific problem with a specific solution.

Reinstalling the metapackage, as they mentioned attempting in the question, would not be sufficient, because that does not cause its dependencies, which are what provide actual software, to be reinstalled.

The close votes on it aren't for no repro, they're for it being a bug report or about Ubuntu+1. It might qualify for closure as a problem with Ubuntu+1 but my inclination, this close to the release and with an answer that makes sense, is to leave it open.

Whether or not it's off-topic as Ubuntu+1, though, it's not no repro.

pomsky

@EliahKagan OP edited and fixed it.

@EliahKagan Some just robotically votes OT as soon as they see ubuntu+1 :(

Eliah Kagan

Well it's a question about a problem that isn't obviously unrelated to bugs. I think it's reasonable to close it as off-topic for doing so. I just also think it's reasonable not to, and my position is that it's better not to in this case.

That's unlike the one you found that had an OT close vote as not about Ubuntu because it merely mentioned Mint. That was a robotic OT vote. :)

@pomsky Thanks. I've replaced my comment.

Natty

1:45 AM

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Eliah Kagan

2:00 AM

Too broad or POB

Eliah Kagan

4:12 AM

@Natty tp

Is this question on-topic? They're asking for a Perl-specific answer to a standard programming exercise. I totally oppose closing questions on the grounds that they are homework (whether or not this is, which it very well may not be anyway, because it's a common question that people will encounter while studying programming even if they are doing so informally). But I wonder if it's OT for other reasons.

We allow general text processing questions here, including those appearing contrived. But they ask specifically for a Perl solution. We allow specific shell scripting questions here, at least POSIX-shell-specific and Bash-specific anyway, as well as awk, sed, etc. questions. To the best of my knowledge, we do not allow arbitrary programming-language-specific questions that are specific to non-shell-scripting languages. Perl is common on Unix but no more so than other general purpose languages.

On the other hand, in favor of keeping it open is the argument that we can simply interpret it to not be demanding a Perl answer. After all, answers in languages other than what is explicitly requested are pretty much always regarded as fine here, and they are often regarded as fine or at least non-NAA even on Stack Overflow.

My inclination is to close the question as off-topic, unless they edit it to allow solutions in any language, or unless it has answers that show it's being interpreted as the sort of any-tool text processing question. I haven't cast a close vote yet, though.

Zanna

5:01 AM

@EliahKagan I have made that argument about questions like that in the past. If they didn't ask for a Perl solution, there's no doubt they would get one anyway :)

@EliahKagan I, um, edited it

Eliah Kagan

5:18 AM

I have not voted to close it. But it has four close votes.

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5:38 AM

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Zanna

:/

Zanna

6:25 AM

it got closed. So I voted to reopen it

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muru

Any mod around? It'd be nice to have the migration history cleared on this post, otherwise it will remain locked:

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Q: Printing Questions/Responses in READABLE scale

I've posted about this before. I have the Meltdown/Spectre cpu flaw. I'm trying to update the kernel to a patched version. I found an AskUbuntu page I want to print. Printed at "200" the words scroll off the right edge of the page are are unviewable, let alone readable. When I set the print to ...

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Eliah Kagan

6:40 AM

@muru Either that or it could be merged into the current duplicate target (which would lock the question anyway, so probably no need to unlock first). About 9 hours ago, I raised a custom flag on it requesting that, and saying that if for some reason it was not going to be merged, that it should be unlocked. It hasn't yet been handled but I expect that mods just haven't got to it yet.

@Natty tp

muru

@EliahKagan custom mod flags get handled very slowly, and slower still on meta, that's why I asked in chat. 😅

Eliah Kagan

Ah. Well a mod may see your message but that could take a while too. If you feel it necessary, I suppose you could ping some mod directly.

Unclear

Dupe (or theoreticaly also OT EOL, but the EOL install/upgrade question should exactly answer what they are asking).

@Zanna It seems like their intention is to ask a pure programming question. Do you think the question is on-topic? Do you think the topic of text processing is central enough to Ubuntu that it overrides our general rejection of pure programming questions? I didn't vote to close it, but I'm not really sure I should vote to reopen it.

A possible argument for reopening it is that people can post traditional answers (use hashing or an array to keep track of how many times each character has appeared and then go back through and find the first letter whose total number of occurrences is one) but they can also post creative answers, like doing it with a regular expression using lookaround assertions.

Natty

7:12 AM

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Eliah Kagan

@Natty tp

Should I just edit this question on behalf of the OP? It's not currently well asked, and I wouldn't upvote it in its current form, but the OP has actually undertaken effort, iteratively improving their script and trying to provide information that was requested. Considering the community's general reluctance to downvote most bad questions, it seems a bit unreasonable that it's a -3.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1027673/22949

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Eliah Kagan

This answer is borderline NAA.

I agree with reopening this question (see comments and the revision history).

Zanna

7:30 AM

reopened

Eliah Kagan

Thanks.

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Eliah Kagan

8:03 AM

Is this comment useful in some way that I have not identified?

Eliah Kagan

8:21 AM

@Natty ne

Eliah Kagan

8:32 AM

This post seems like an answer to me. It may be the actual solution, for some people with problems that manifest identically to the OP's (if not for the OP).

@EliahKagan I would keep this (see comments).

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8:48 AM

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Eliah Kagan

I think we should undelete this answer. See the recent AUGR messages, starting with this badly written message by me where I failed to mention you have to add something like c. It needs one more undelete vote. If it's undeleted, I can post a comment briefly summarizing the issues for the author and asking if they had actually written c or something before the Hello.

Zanna

it's undeleted now

@EliahKagan my interpretation is that that comment has two upvotes because people like snark. OP wrote "I want to know is it possible to [...]" and muclux replied "yes it surely is [possible]" which is another way of saying "I know a way to do that but I'm not going to tell you what it is", so I think that comment is the opposite of helpful

Eliah Kagan

9:08 AM

@Zanna I don't think upvotes always mean people even want the comment to remain, but I wanted someone else's take on it in case I was wrong to have flagged it as no longer needed (which I did before the upvotes).

@Zanna Thanks btw.

Zanna

:)

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Zanna

@EliahKagan If you can edit it to improve it, then why not? I've upvoted the question which a) is on topic b) is clear c) is specific d) shows research

Eliah Kagan

9:26 AM

@Zanna I was hoping they'd edit it because they might clarify things, and because even though I can edit it without much risk of getting things wrong, I think it would create the impression that I had edited it to match my answer (even though that wouldn't be the case). Also, if I edit it in a way that plays it safe, in terms of reducing the risk that I'll get things wrong, then it might not be as good as if they edited it.

Also I don't know if the most recent edit, fixing the indentation, is good, because I believe (see the last paragraph of my answer) that part of the problem was that their poor indentation made it hard for them to identify what their code was actually doing.

Zanna

@EliahKagan that makes sense. Unless it's HNQ, I would just wait a bit longer for them to edit.

@EliahKagan yeah... that probably shouldn't have been done

Eliah Kagan

So, to unpack my concern about appearing to edit it to match my answer: the code in their question went through multiple changes, and eventually I posted an answer. I could've posted one before (if I'd had time) and it would've been a quite different answer. I considered commenting again or asking leading questions instead of answering, and if I'd done that then maybe my answer would be different still, or maybe they would've figured it out and posted a self-answer.

@Zanna Well, it probably makes the post more useful for future readers, because it makes it so that people can see what's going on.

I plan to upvote it once it's edited, but I don't feel good about doing so now. I definitely wouldn't downvote it now, though. Perhaps ideally posts like that should be downvoted, but if so, then I'd have to use all my votes every day I'm active on the site to downvote questions, and I'd have none left to upvote good stuff.

The OP of that question has been held to a way higher standard than most people are, not just here but even on sites with a reputation for higher question standards (which might or might not be accurate) like Unix & Linux, by me and the other commenters and also by themselves. They took comments about running their code through a static analyzer and they did it, repeatedly, updated their question with the new code, and reported back what happened.

The deficiencies in their question reflect their current SE-using ability, not their current willingness or ability to research and learn.

Zanna

@EliahKagan Maybe, but isn't it good to have a discussion of why bad indenting makes it difficult to read things, rather than just remove all instances of bad indenting? Leaving it makes the space to call attention to it...

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Yes. That would be good thing to have, too.

Zanna

@EliahKagan definitely

Natty

9:36 AM

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Zanna

@Natty tp

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Eliah Kagan

How often do people who post questions as (non-)answers then post them as questions when commenters suggest they do so? I only recall one actual confirmed instance of this...

Zanna

@EliahKagan maybe there is an MSE question about that...

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10:07 AM

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Zanna

10:21 AM

@EliahKagan I don't know that text-processing is especially Ubuntu-y, but I don't think asking for a Perl solution for a text-processing problem should be sufficient to make a question off-topic, because it's virtually inevitable that such questions that don't directly ask for solutions in Perl will get answers that give solutions in Perl. I don't think it's beneficial to close such questions because they can be answered well here.

Eliah Kagan

Makes sense.

Also now it's as a delete vote. (!!)

Considering the OP could very well improve it, a 20k delete vote at this point seems very unreasonable to me.

Zanna

o.O

Eliah Kagan

When you edited it you removed the thing about Perl in the title but you didn't weaken the sentence in the body that could be interpreted as saying they only want a Perl solution. I don't think that ought to be removed altogether, but perhaps some people would view the question less negatively if that were weakened.

Zanna

yes...

Eliah Kagan

I'm not nearly as invested in the question as you are. I doubt I'll write an answer to it, though I suppose I might. (That's assuming it gets reopened.) I did cast a reopen vote, since I think one can go either way on this one, but I am sure deletion of it before 48 hours have passed is improper; that's for questions where one can actually articulate a reason that it's implausible that it would be improved enough that it could be reasonably voted to be reopened.

(And also they shouldn't have valuable answers, etc., but that doesn't apply to this one and also is not specific to early deletion.)

Zanna

10:32 AM

well, I don't know how to answer that question, but I don't like what I think of as scope-narrowing closures (case law). Maybe deleting the question as quickly as possible so that nobody notices we closed a question that we could have just answered would be helpful

(kidding)

maybe that one is off-topic though? hard to tell anything until the edit gets applied

pomsky

11:55 AM

@EliahKagan Well, this is getting close votes anyway. Is there a way to find it in the review queue so that we can vote to keep it open.

Zanna

@pomsky here

that review is completed...

there isn't an easy way to find reviews btw, unless you are a mod (they have a button for that), but if you have >10k, which you do, you can go to the review history page and look for the post there. That's what I just did

if you have <10k, you just see your own review history there. I use these history pages daily... being able to see them is one of the privileges I really value

pomsky

12:18 PM

@Zanna Thanks for the great tip!

Byte Commander

12:35 PM

NAA askubuntu.com/a/1027793/367990

Zanna

@pomsky most welcome :) sorry for vanishing, suddenly realised I was late for my train and had to run

Zanna

1:07 PM

If the review has completed, you can see it on the post timeline. I find the timeline by replacing "questions" in the URL with "posts" and replacing the text after the last / (or after the ID number) with "timeline". There is a userscript that gives you a link for it I think...

For example

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Zanna

To slightly reduce typing, I usually click the edited link if the post has been edited to get to revisions, then replace "revisions" with "timeline" in the URL

But reviews in progress don't appear in the timeline

Natty

1:53 PM

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Eliah Kagan

@Natty tp

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Eliah Kagan

@Natty I'm not sure about that one.

Byte Commander

2:10 PM

@Natty tp

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pomsky

2:25 PM

Should the edit (revision #2: only a [16.04] tag added, approved by OP) to this question be reverted? I don't think it's version specific. OP used 16.04 to demonstrate their case.

dupe (suggested by OP themselves)

Eliah Kagan

2:48 PM

Are redundant review comments coming back into style? :(

@pomsky VTC'd

@pomsky They are themselves using 16.04, though, and selecting an appropriate kernel is strongly affected by what release one is using. Personally I wouldn't remove that tag, but if you feel it shouldn't be there, then you could go ahead and edit it out.

Eliah Kagan

3:15 PM

@Zanna It doesn't look like it will get reopened. You might want to post on meta, though I don't know if that would result in avoiding what you're trying to avoid. Also, if you do post it on meta, then you might want to use this explain the situation with our at least three major meta questions about homework questions that have never been duped or even (I think) linked to each other.

Eliah Kagan

3:31 PM

*use this to explain

Zanna

That's a good idea...

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Anyway, this is where I'm at with respect to that question. If you do end up posting on meta then I can somewhat expand that comment into a meta answer probably (and probably remove the comment, too). However, I do see two disadvantages of using this as an opportunity to bring up the issue of homework questions again on meta.

One is that this is not obviously homework, ironically since the exercise is so common. The other is that another meta question about this when there isn't a case people really, really care about (one way or the other) might not really lead to anything but instead just lead to proliferation of meta questions on the topic. That is, if nobody wants to talk about this issue but everybody does it because they feel obligated to, then I suspect no progress will be made.

jokerdino

3:46 PM

that meta post about printing Ask Ubuntu pages.. it was from the same person? o.O

Eliah Kagan

Apparently so. I probably should've mentioned that in my flag to request merging, since it would've been another reason to consider doing so. Anyway, thanks for merging!

I think Fabby's answer is more worthy than mine...

...even aside from how we know my answer didn't really help the OP.

Natty

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Eliah Kagan

@Zanna To the best of my knowledge, these are the three major meta questions about homework questions, in chronological, and the votes on their answers show that people's attitudes have either oscillated quickly or change with the mood of the moment:

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Q: Allow "homework" questions?

I know different sites have different rules for this, I'm only asking now because this is the first "homework" question I've come across. Should we allow these types of questions? If so, under what – if any – conditions?

discussion asking-questions

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Q: What do we do with homework-like questions?

Title's pretty clear on what i'm asking. But what should we do with questions like these: A Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux Ubuntu Linux install xeyes command ... which rely on getting an answer to complete what looks like a homework assignment, as well as are dependent on a paid-for text bo...

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Q: Ask Ubuntu's stance on Homework-type questions

Although similar Meta questions have been asked before and have been well-received, I still find that there are many homework-like questions which are posted from time to time on Ask Ubuntu, most of them being of hardly any use to other viewers since they are very problem specific and/or involve ...

discussion

I think this overall represents a weak (or perhaps moderate, but not strong) consensus that we allow them. People didn't want to allow them originally, then people wanted to prohibit them and upvoted a proposal to edit the [help/on-topic] which nobody ever brought up again when it was never edited, and then people wanted to allow them again.

*to edit the help center

karel

@Natty tp

Eliah Kagan

@EliahKagan *in chronological order

@karel Good call. VTD'd.

karel

4:05 PM

I didn't VTLC because of anything to do with homework. The reason why I voted the way I did is because questions aabout Perl programming would be better asked at Stack Overflow. Stack Overflow is full of duplicates, you can ask about almost anything you want at Stack Overflow and it usually won't get closed, but this is a much smaller site than Stack Overflow, not a dumping ground for questions that even Stack Overflow wouldn't accept.

In addition the OP has a Stack Overflow account anyway, so he won't suffer if he has to ask his question there.

Eliah Kagan

@karel I understand. Yeah, I wasn't sure either, and had considered voting to close, also for reasons unrelated to homework, but didn't. At this point my main concern is that it seems to be collecting very hasty 20k delete votes (for questions that are potentially improvable, we typically wait at least 48 hours) though I also think that it would probably not have been closed if it hadn't insisted on Perl.

I don't know that this even is a homework question, and especially now that I've thought things through further, I'm somewhat hope that we don't attempt to make policy on that issue using it. (cc @Zanna)

Eliah Kagan

4:22 PM

Uh, I don't think that post makes sense as a comment either.

pomsky

dupe

Eliah Kagan

VTC'd

This suggested edit is both vandalism and spam.

pomsky

@EliahKagan rejected

Eliah Kagan

Thanks.

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Natty

@EliahKagan Post already reported

Eliah Kagan

4:32 PM

@Natty tp

pomsky

Can this be answered objectively?

Eliah Kagan

Quite possibly, and I probably wouldn't regard it as POB, but I'd consider it too broad, at least as it's been asked. Besides basically standing in for an entire topic, there's the issue of what kind of usage, what machines, etc. If it were for a release people had been using longer, I might wait to vote to close it to see if people can post good answers. For that, I would (and shall) VTC as too broad immediately.

I've voted to close it as too broad.

Zanna

6:02 PM

@EliahKagan I was going to say it was far from clear to me that it had been closed for that reason, especially as we had been discussing whether it was off topic for being a programming question earlier...

Eliah Kagan

It's just, for programming questions that are regarded as off-topic for only that reason, even ones that are lower quality than this, it's rare to get such quick delete votes. This question has been specially hated.

Anyway, the question has been deleted, so I've voted to undelete it.

Natty

6:17 PM

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karel

6:29 PM

Carvalho who cast the last delete vote has a big blog & has perspective to know what happens when you make a mess of the data in a big database. I'm not referring to the database, I'm referring to its data. Everything worked fine in the demo and then tons of problems emerge when you try to scale it up. Think of that little thorn that someone ignored because it worked in the demo and then when the database goes into production that little thorn multiplies into millions of errors in the database.

Zanna

@EliahKagan I don't see why... I wonder why that question about permissions wasn't similarly hated, when it was so much easier, and apparently off-topic... people were falling over ourselves to answer it.

I suspect if that find-the-first-non-repeating-character question had been similarly trivial, it would have been answered before it got closed, and probably been HNQ, instead of getting trashed in less than a day.

karel

And what was once a beautiful garden turns into a huge impenetrable bramble.

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Well, modifying file permissions is an important part of using and administering Ubuntu systems. So that's a significant difference.

@karel I think you're saying something about what you think should (or shouldn't) happen with the question about finding the first non-repeating character, but I'm not sure what it is or how the issue could be settled by general appeals to the authority of one of the delete voters who (as far as I know) hasn't spoken up about it. I do not really mean this as a rebuttal to what you are saying, only that I don't know what you mean.

I've been fairly bad at figuring out when people are and aren't agreeing with me today, and I don't what to ~~assume~~ keep assuming more than is reasonable and annoying more people. I don't understand why this situation would justify 20k deletion (deletion of a question before 48 hours), but I am open to the possibility that I am missing something.

karel

6:46 PM

No I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the Perl programming question, that you said could maybe be turned into a bash scripting question.

Eliah Kagan

That's the question I mean.

I don't want to turn it into a bash scripting question.

I'm interested in answering it in a way that is not Perl-specific, but I don't think my interest in doing that actually justifies reopening or even undeleting it. Instead, the reason I want to undelete and probably reopen it is that, as @Zanna pointed out, we would probably not have had a problem with it if it didn't ask for Perl specifically, and it would probably have already gotten Perl answers if it hadn't asked for Perl specifically.

When a question could be edited in a way that would likely satisfy the OP and also be considered on-topic, I think that, at minimum, we shouldn't rush to delete it. So my view on the question is sort of a weaker version of what I think Zanna's view is (but I could be misunderstanding).

karel

Yes you got it right that I hate that question for the reasons I explained, but you didn't appreciate that I also love the contra. Where you see black, I see a drab combination of black and white that is trying to become green. There's a lot of positivity in this.

Eliah Kagan

Hmm.

Zanna

@EliahKagan I think you understand my view on this. I'm not especially excited about that question, but I don't think it would do the site any harm to have that question, given the thousands of other general text processing questions we have answered without anything terrible happening afaik...

karel

It wouldn't do any harm to the site.

Zanna

7:05 PM

@EliahKagan sure, maybe I shouldn't be making the comparison. I think people like doing things they know how to do and the kindness to the permission question probably reflects that. It's just that that question says it's homework and didn't get hated, so being homework by itself doesn't seem to explain the special hatred of the Perl question. Maybe it's a combination of both things - belonging topic-wise on SO (or being more at home there) and being homework-y shrug

Eliah Kagan

Speaking of that permissions question, is there any reason not to regard it as a duplciate?

Oh, maybe not.

karel

I didn't have any interest either way in the homework aspect of it. If a question is good enough and of general interest it doesn't matter to me if it's a homework question.

Eliah Kagan

Yeah, I realize that nobody has actually said that the Perl question is homework anyway. Although I do think that the issue of homework questions would likely come up this gets discussed on meta, I realize that my emphasis on that in connection with this Perl question actually makes no sense and has not helped anyone in any way.

A small silver lining is that those links will be here for when homework questions do end up getting discussed again in earnest. But it's actually pretty irrelevant to the recent Perl question.

Zanna

7:23 PM

@karel it's my belief that you are much more interested in helping people than being admired by anyone, but FTR I very much admire & respect your work in tending the Ask Ubuntu garden. If I don't always agree with or understand your actions, I know it's more than likely a reflection of my general ignorance, hastiness & lack of attention to detail

@EliahKagan not sure, haven't voted either way

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Zanna

hmm... someone already posted that link and their answer got deleted

if we delete this one too, we'll be deleting the next one by and by XD

Eliah Kagan

This answer is slightly better but I'm still inclined to think it's NAA.

Perhaps we should upvote the comment on the question that the first deleted answer with it was converted into. Though it's not too high quality a comment, aside from the link. It'd be better with just the link...

@Zanna Do you think it should be expanded with text from the linked page?

Zanna

the new comment-answer is better haha

I don't know enough about the topic to be able to decide if it's useful or to edit it :/

karel

7:54 PM

@Zanna Your comments are appreciated.

Zanna

:)

Zanna

8:10 PM

I rejected this edit as conflicting with the author's intent...