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@Natty tp
 
@Natty fp
 
12:09 PM
Is this question a duplicate of something?
 
I'm not sure about the bolded & italicised addition to that question haha
 
Well, it's not more important than the question itself.
@Zanna VTC'd
 
me too
I might just adjust the formatting there
does that seem... better?
 
Yes.
Btw I unscrunched the first two lines, which work fine as separate paragraphs.
 
wow... Fabby actually edited the question to put a please-please-click-me link to... his own answer o.O
@EliahKagan thanks :)
 
12:24 PM
@Zanna So... do you want to remove it altogether? Post on meta? Expand it into an actual answer index that suggests each of the major answers depending on users' background and needs?
 
the latter sounds good... does that seem possible?
 
Yeah, it's just the most work of all. :)
I would be willing to edit it out with an edit summary to the effect of, but hopefully shorter than, "It's not obvious why this answer is more worthy of mention in the question than some others, and it is not common practice to promote one's own answers by editing the question. If this is edited back in, the editor should clearly explain why."
But an index of that answers does seem like a reasonable approach for this question.
 
I would certainly feel happy to remove it haha.
 
12:42 PM
thanks :)
was it unreasonable of me to replace installator with installer in this answer? :)
 
@Zanna We can still add the index. If people don't like the index, and it's rolled back, it should be rolled back to a version that doesn't just have a link to one answer with no explanation anywhere of why that answer specifically ought to be linked to.
Arguably it is better to have removed that first, and not just because incremental editing is what makes actual improvement possible. :) If the same editor who added a whole index that was then rolled back were then to edit it out, it could create the appearance of, "Oh, you don't like my index, do you! Well then..." even if not intended, which would be bad.
 
indeed yes, good point. I am trying to get to know the answers here with a view to possibly attempting this index
 
That would be awesome.
@Zanna Why? Is "installator" a word?
 
I doubt it. But it perhaps sounds satisfyingly techy to some folks
some of these answers have been merged and thus have some confusing content...
 
Hopefully that can be addressed without deleting any answers and without deleting much or any content. I am always sad when a merge results in answers being deleted. Often it suggests that the merge was ill considered.
 
12:48 PM
yeah!
this answer seems particularly orphaned... I'll see if I can find out what it's referring to from the origin...
hmm might it not be better unmerged?
The answer with the installators seems to work quite well in its new location though
 
@Zanna I believe unmerging requires the assistance of community managers and is thus rarely done.
 
oh :(
 
That doesn't mean it can never be done. But is it super-important that the merge be reversed in this case?
 
no I don't think so
But I don't know how to make that answer seem more at ease shrug
 
I don't know the details of what unmerging entails. I'm working from this conversation.
 
12:55 PM
IIRC unmerging requires manual work in the database...
i.e. it's not going to happen unless someone reeeeeaaally fscked something up
 
Ah. So, like, if a mod's account got hacked and was used to merge unrelated questions.
 
have added an index, which may suck
 
@Natty tp
 
@Zanna thanks Eliah Kagan for improving that situation
 
I was just about to ask what you thought of my edit to that answer. Is that what you're referring to? Ah, I can see that is what you are referring to.
 
yes, that's better, thanks!
 
1:26 PM
Oh, that reminds me. Can a SEDE query find all the answers with not-long blockquotes at the top that are not highly similar to text in the question? My idea here is that it would be good to look over answers that appear to have blockquoted warnings at the top of them, from time to time.
What's the current status of the APT protocol?
 
@EliahKagan wouldn't that require some kind of regex search? hmm...
 
You can search with regular expressions.
 
you can?
@EliahKagan good question... I don't know... but I suspect not good
 
Yeah. I say this because I remember you once linked me to the specific section a reference source for the SQL dialect SEDE uses that explained how to do it. :) Not because I know how to do it personally. (Unfortuately I don't think I bookmarked the link. Maybe it's on a different machine...)
 
1:31 PM
I am tempted to ask you to teach me all the SQL you know but I feel like that's pretty help-vampirey so instead I am saying it this way which is just as bad, if not worse.
 
@EliahKagan I couldn't get it to work though, then I saw a conversation about it somewhere... maybe in Charcoal HQ...
 
Oh.
 
Hmm.
 
I know shockingly little about it... I should definitely find some resources for learning
 
1:41 PM
This answer's advice for .bin and .tar files doesn't seem very good to me.
@Zanna The index looks good.
 
that doesn't seem like a reasonable dupe target... are we going to close every question that has something like "what's wrong with this script I'm working on?" against that? D:
@EliahKagan yeah... I don't know what the .bin stuff is about. I don't think the CPU will check the extension to see if it can execute the file...
 
@Zanna An installer can work that way. It would usually be a script with embedded binary data, either in a here document or after the last command of the script. The script would contain an appropriate hashbang and be run by the same interpreter regardless of architecture. The script itself would check its name and decide which version to install. I don't know how common that is and I don't think it's common. It's definitely not universal.
It's a bad design choice -- a script should instead accept options as command-line arguments to specify what architecture, and should (typically) automatically default to whatever the architecture is of the system on which it is run.
I've commented on the answer (and downvoted it).
 
thanks!
 
No problem. I'll try to check back in case they edit the answer.
@Zanna This MSE question seems to say the ~* operator works, for regex searching. Is that not the case?
@Zanna My Leave Open review knocked it from the queue.
 
2:07 PM
@EliahKagan seems hopeful
@EliahKagan :) :)
 
@Zanna So far it only has one dupe vote, which appears to have been cast in lieu of an unclear vote, from the review queue. However, if you're concerned about this, you could post a comment saying something to that effect. Its up to you. The more important corrective action, I think, is to edit the post if the OP doens't do so. But I am not trying to discourage you from commenting.
 
2:23 PM
would it be helpful if I edited that post if OP doesn't get around to it? You were concerned about appearing to edit it to match your answer I think
(although apparently some people think nothing of editing a ***highly emphasised*** signpost to their own answer into questions with multiple answers...)
 
@Zanna If you're asking if that would be more appropriate than me editing it, then no. I don't think it's actually wrong for me to edit it, but if it were, then I don't think it would be any righter for you to edit it on my behalf.
But as for the first part of your question, taken by itself: yes, if they don't do it, someone should do it, and that could be you if you feel like doing it. I'm not sure how much longer is reasonable for us to wait.
 
@EliahKagan ok :)
 
I mean I want to say yes because then I don't have to edit it myself. But that's 100% about my own personal laziness and 0% about avoiding the appearance of conflict of interest.
 
2:38 PM
hahaha
 
The OP's profile says they were last seen on the site prior to that comment of mine. So they may just not yet have come back to make the changes. I hope that's the case. So we may want to wait until at least two full days have passed. I'd suggest not editing it yet. But if you've already done the edit and are just about to submit it or something, I'd say go for it.
I fear my comment may have intimidated them, because it recommended so many changes. The bolded part is arguably the only strictly necessary change, and following my advice might even potentially risk garnering some "too broad" votes, though I think it's appropriate--and not too broad--for OPs to explain the process whereby they got their code to the form in which they are showing it. I fear also that the OP may have been intimidated by the multiple downvotes on their post.
 
a couple of days seems like a long time to us, but not so long to... lol normal people XD
 
@Natty tp
 
@Natty tp
you win
 
2:42 PM
@Zanna Well some people get upset that nobody answers their question in five minutes. I'm not sure what's normal; there seems to be a lot of variation.
@Zanna Is there a prize?
 
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@EliahKagan maybe Bhargav Rao can arrange something XD
 
@Zanna Should that be edited into the question?
I'm not totally sure how it fits into the flow of comments on the answer they accepted.
 
@EliahKagan yeah, true about the impatient folk, and I don't like that word. But I have seen terdon advising people not to get impatient with OP who, apparently unlike the pesterer, may have more urgent things to do first
 
2:46 PM
@Natty tp
 
@EliahKagan I can't even tell what finally solved it for them :/
if anything...
 
@Zanna As Shog9 put it:
> ...if you're responsive to criticism then you really should be able to step away for a cup of coffee before returning to the question.
(ellipsis mine)
 
3:04 PM
This post is almost NAA. Any reason not to edit it?
 
@EliahKagan haha well put
 
@Natty tp
Even a day before the release, I believe this is OT Ubuntu+1 / bug.
 
3:23 PM
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4:17 PM
@Natty tp
 
4:36 PM
Unclear (or maybe it is a dupe of one of the general questions)
Unclear (I would lean toward saying it's on-topic at this point, though, so reopenable if they add full details.)
 
Should the way this appears be regarded as a bug in the site's CSS? In Firefox, some of the parts formatted just with <code> </code> and spanning multiple lines appear monospaced but not with the gray code highlighting. Even <pre> without <code> applies that gray highlighting on SE sites, but apparently there are circumstances where <code> without <pre>, over multiple lines, fails to apply it. (Unless this is somehow intentional...)
@Natty tp
 
5:41 PM
@EliahKagan looks the way I would expect? Same effect with backticks
 
@Zanna This is what I see:
The first and last part are monospaced and highlighted, which is what I expect; the output of the middle three "stanzas" is monospaced, but not highlighted. Do you see something different?
 
oh hmm sorry yeah that's weird
 
that could be useful maybe... can't find any updated PPAs that have it... but... hmm... what to do with it
 
@Natty tp
 
6:18 PM
@EliahKagan Should this answer be expanded, or deleted, or left alone, or what? It's not just links, but the summaries given of what the linked-to methods actually do is extremely meager, and the actual code is not shown.
 
oops going afk... I will look later at that
 
No problem, ttyl! Btw, if you let me know if that looks any different for you, that would be useful when I post on meta about it. But I don't plan to do that immediately anyway and there is no rush.
 
7:09 PM
This is a very incorrect comment, isn't it?
 
@pomsky Yes.
Ubuntu Budgie has been on-topic ever since it became an official Ubuntu flavor, which was quite some time ago.
So unless they're asking about an old version, from back when it was called Ubuntu Budgie Remix...
...but they're not. It's on-topic. They appear to have deleted it out of the wrong belief that it was off-topic.
The page they read may be for an old version but that doesn't mean, or even suggest, that they are running an old version. Even the oldest versions of Ubuntu Budgie Remix are far newer than 7.04 anyway.
I think we should undelete the question. I have cast an undelete vote.
 
I'll also ping LD-James
 
Thanks.
Are you unable to cast an undelete vote? Do questions that are less than 48 hours old require 20k to cast undelete votes on?
 
I cast my vote
 
Thanks.
 
7:16 PM
Also pinged LD.
 
Thanks.
Btw, if the question is undeleted (which I expect it will be), can you answer it?
 
7:41 PM
@EliahKagan I have never used Budgie seriously, had a casual look-around some time ago. But if I remember correctly, Budgie does support applets (GNOME 3 doesn't).
@EliahKagan I found this general guide which includes adding applets too. Is it better to post the link in comments or post an answer with the link as a reference?
 
Do you feel it answers the question? If so, then I'd recommend posting an answer if you can. You can restate the information it provides or (within reason) quote from it, with attribution.
 
@EliahKagan As it stands now, it looks like a question asking for general applet installation guide (unless OP edits and makes it a question about some specific applet(s)).
 
Do you think the question is unclear? If it's clear, then I'll vote Leave Open when I get to it in the CV queue.
@Natty tp
 
7:58 PM
@EliahKagan looks the same for me, very strange.
 
@EliahKagan The close vote is retracted, so that won't be a problem for now. I'm kinda torn -- to answer or to comment, it seems OP hit a dead-end following a wrong guide and they could do with some proper applet installation guidance.
 
Yes, I agree guidance would benefit the OP.
 
@pomsky Are you sure retracting close votes actually removes an item from the CV queue?
 
@EliahKagan the first problem I see with this, is that the first link doesn't explain how to get what they show. sed is pretty bad with newlines and that post isn't about how to remove them. To remove newlines in sed, you need a loop, or for a set number of lines each time, that number of N or n commands, as in the other answers. So, to that extent so far, it doesn't answer the question...
 
8:08 PM
@pomsky VTC'd. I voted to close it as off-topic but I don't think it has enough information to be answered anyway.
 
it's trivial to replace some character with newlines using sed or whatever else, so the second step is OK I think, we could just edit that in, and the link is actually relevant
 
@Zanna look what I found in my LQ review queue :-)
 
@EliahKagan Oh! really? Doesn't it? I just thought that's the most reasonable course of action! I'm not at all sure.
@guntbert I would have recommended deletion! :p
 
@guntbert yeah that regex could be better I guess... I never know how general I should make it... other people always come up with something more efficient
 
@pomsky I don't know. It might depend also on whether or not it also got any close flags from users without enough rep to case close and reopen votes, whether or not it got any Recommend Close reviews from such users (users without enough rep to VTC can't use the CV queue, but they can use the LQP queue which gives them the option to recommend that questions be closed).
 
8:14 PM
 
ach I was not talking about your answer at all -- just the idea that the system chooses one of your posts made me chuckle. (although thats much better than with post which have really sime issues)
 
@guntbert :) sorry I was just playing along
(but for real, I'm sure I could improve that post...)
so @EliahKagan here's I guess a version of the solution that post is suggesting with the missing step...
$ sed '5~4s/^/>/' list | sed ':a;N;s/\n/ /;ba' | sed 'y/>/\n/'
Dog Cat Fish Lizard
Wolf Lion Shark Gecko
Coyote Puma Eel Iguana
 
Do you want to add that? Or just post an answer with it?
 
well, what do you think would be better?
 
I am inclined to fix the answer
 
8:32 PM
@EliahKagan I posted an answer just in case.
 
@pomsky Thanks. Maybe someone will be able to add a screenshot.
 
@EliahKagan That linked article has some screenshots, but I chose not to post them as I'm not aware of that website's copyright/usage policy.
 
@pomsky I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, btw. My understanding, though, is that people cannot actually assert copyright on screenshots unless they hold the copyright to the user interface (or perhaps artwork, shown text, etc.) shown. At least in the US, where Stack Exchange is based, to be eligible for copyright a work must be more original than most screenshots are.
I suppose someone could argue that a summary of their article combined with their screenshot is effectively a derivative of their work. I would consider such an argument spurious and I would hope no one would make it and that, if someone did, that it would be slapped down during the summary judgment phase. However, I am not a lawyer, and I don't actually know what would happen, and I hasten to restate that this is not legal advice.
That's not to say that you wouldn't be including copyrighted material in your answer by using those screenshots, only that I think it wouldn't be copyrighted by the author of the article, unless that article developed the software shown or otherwise held copyright on something in the screenshot.
Anyway... are the screenshots in that article actually good? I looked a little bit at that article, but it was making my browser run pretty slow, so I didn't go through the whole thing carefully. I wouldn't consider using any already-existing screenshots unless they're about as good as could be made by someone using Ubuntu Budgie who has read your answer. Anybody can edit in screenshots.
@Zanna Sounds good.
 
8:49 PM
@EliahKagan Yeah, that's another issue, whether the screenshots are "good" and up-to-date... It would be great if some Budgie user can provide one.
 
@pomsky The OP agreed and it was closed. :)
Doesn't one of our mods use Budgie? jrg?
 
BTW I cast the last resurrection spell here ;) (cc @Zanna).
 
@Natty Wait, does that work? I don't currently have a system with Nautilus, to check. The machine I'm using right now has Lubuntu 16.04 (so it runs PCManFM, not Nautilus).
 
edited but this is similar to steeldriver's answer, just... less elegant
@pomsky thank you :D
@EliahKagan I thought fossfreedom was involved in developing Budgie... but maybe false memory
 
8:55 PM
@Zanna Oh. Right! Yes.
 
@EliahKagan No it doesn't! In fact what is it suppose do in browser? It just expands "Tools" entry of menubar in my Firefox (alt shows/activates menubar, then "T" acts as a shortcut for Tools)
 
@pomsky Do you want to comment?
If they've totally misinterpreted the question then it's even NAA.
 
I commented.
 
I don't want to flag or VTD all wrong bad answers, but if this is an attempt to answer something else -- which I suspect it is, considering that Ctrl+T doesn't split the window of any web browser I've ever used either! -- then we can.
@Zanna Still better than something that doesn't answer the question. :)
Btw, the very rightly upvoted comment on that answer is no longer needed now.
 
yes :)
I had to edit again since I retyped the individual commands instead of pasting them and as usual failed to add the last delimiter. That gave me an opportunity to write a sorely needed edit summary
 
9:03 PM
Retyped the individual commands!
 
very foolish
I need some kind of prompt to make me write edit summaries. o.O maybe I should just put a sticker on my laptop
 
:D
 
@pomsky Thanks btw.
 
Oh my edit destroyed your edit... how did I do that? damn...
 
9:11 PM
No problem, I can just make it again.
 
I was just doing it, but if you're doing it, I'll not! haha
 
Done.
 
haha great
 
@EliahKagan Do you think @N0rbert's answer to the same question could do without the highly subjective beginning? The link is not even relevant to this question/issue.
 
@Zanna As for why it undid my edit, I think you were probably just editing the revision before mine, perhaps due to your having opened it for editing before I did. Certainly your second edit was more important than my edit to you first edit, so the system chose correctly. :)
The revision history is consistent, so this isn't an occurrence of that bug we found a while ago (nor of others like it).
 
9:16 PM
And this is not an isolated case, I've seen many other cases where they bash GNOME in answers.
 
@pomsky I'll take a look and let you know what I think...
 
@EliahKagan hmm I don't remember what happened to your MSE question about that... I'll have a look now
no answers
 
@Zanna Wasn't it possibly a duplicate of something else on MSE?
 
@pomsky strong language!
hmm time to sleep and not many reviews done :/
later all
 
@Zanna @pomsky Is the subjectivity the issue? The OP is asking about how to do something in Nautilus and the answer appears to be that they can't and should consider using something else as well, so if an answerer thinks there are related reasons the OP and other readers with the same or similar problems may want to consider switching, I think it's reasonable to include brief material about that. ...Or is the problem instead the potential that "degrade" could be misinterpreted?
In this context, and drawing from the linked post, it's pretty clear to me that they mean it in the sense of software operating without providing desired functionality, as in the software-development phrase "degrade gracefully" (meaning to lose functionality in a way that preserves other functionality and avoids hurting the user unnecessarily). But perhaps some readers will interpret it to say that using Nautilus is a personally degrading experience.
 
9:23 PM
haha that's what I meant by strong language. I guess I am usually using/seeing that word in very different contexts
 
Yeah, so probably are most readers. I wasn't actually totoally sure which sense was intended until I read the linked post.
I think it would be quite reasonable to rephrase that to say something other than "useless and degrading," but I think it would be best to retain that part and keep the link. The linked post is related to the absence of features in Nautilus that Caja has, which is close enough to the central point of the post that I don't advocate outright removing it.
 
yes, that makes sense
 
@EliahKagan I meant the the highly subjective beginning of the answer, only the phrase "useless and degrading", no issue with the answer itself.
 
@Zanna I kind of had suggested one at the time:
> I don't know whether my original edit having been from a review queue contributed to the observed behavior or not. This bug resembles meta.stackexchange.com/questions/204102/… but I don't know if they're really the same bug. (Even if it's irrelevant that my edit originated from a review queue--as I guess it may be--I'm still not sure.)
 
9:31 PM
@pomsky @Zanna How's this?
 
Looks great!
@EliahKagan Also maybe get rid of "No other ways.", that's just not true.
 
@pomsky Personally, I hope this will get more people to recognize the value of the post's recommended solution, too, though that's not why I did the edit. Caja is great. (I don't currently use MATE but I used to use it and was rather satisfied.)
@pomsky Well, I don't want to change the meaning of the post too much. Let me see if I can rephrase that part further though.
@pomsky I think I figured it out. I should've done this part before too. Hold on, I've got to go afk but I'll brb and re-edit.
Also, I hope I'm not making you feel too beleaguered with all these pings. :)
 
9:46 PM
@EliahKagan Ah! Nice! Perfect!
@EliahKagan Not an issue at all!
 
Cool. Hopefully the author will be okay with it. They were good with the first one.
@pomsky So, in my edit, I made the post make this claim:
> There's no other way to get the split window feature you're looking for while still using a file browser that looks and works like Nautilus.
Now I'm concerned, because I'm unsure if that's true. Is Caja more similar to Nautilus than Nemo is to Nautilus? I think this is what the author meant to express, so I suppose that might be reasonable (in the sense that I shouldn't edit it again) to keep it even if it's inaccurate, but I don't generally like to edit posts so that they say new concrete things that aren't true.
@pomsky VTC'd
 
I think that's okay as Caja is somewhat like old vanilla Nautilus and the question gives a feeling that OP is looking for something like old Nautilus. Whereas Nemo, being a fork of Nautilus, can have unnecessary stuffs introduced by its devs.
 
Reluctantly -- because one cannot tell from the contents of the answer itself that it's NAA even if it turns out to be NAA -- I'm going to tell Natty:
@Natty fp
 
@EliahKagan looks way better :)
 
@Zanna Since making that second edit I'm a bit worried about it, though.
 
10:00 PM
Just noticed the question has a [split] tag with no description. Is that a okay and well-understood tag to a have here?
 
@Natty tp
@pomsky I'd say no, but we have 49 questions tagged with it. Someone should look into what other tags it might be replaced with on questions it's tagged with (though sometimes just removing it would be fine) and post on Ask Ubuntu Meta to see if the community as a whole is okay with removing it from all the posts that have it. I'd be willing to do this (eventually) but do you feel like doing so?
 
@EliahKagan Okay, posting a question
 
Thanks!
 
10:27 PM
 
Thanks.
 
10:45 PM
@Natty tp
Considering that it will be release day UTC for 18.04 in less than two hours, I think my advice there is reasonable.
As with any 18.04 question about something that might be a bug and that gets asked close to the release date, it will be important to get information about how the system was installed and, especially if it was installed from pre-release media, whether or not it was updated.
 
10:59 PM
@EliahKagan Agreed. Also tomorrow is going to be a busy day! :) Expecting a surge of questions from first-time (or after-a-long-time) GNOME users. Hopefully most will have existing duplicates.
 
It seems to me that the tags this edit wants to add are not particularly relevant.
@pomsky Yes. Though we'll get another one, once the first point release (18.04.1) comes out, since I believe that is still when the Software Updater starts offering to upgrade to the next LTS release.
 
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This post seems like an answer to me. I wonder why it ended up in the LQP queue.
 
11:54 PM
 
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@Natty tp
 

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