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17:00
What do you need help for ?
hi mike miller
nothing just hi man
just checking your memory , do you remember me
17:03
@Astyx I found this definition while going through MIT reading material of graph theory. According to the reading material, If the graph is a bipartite degree constrained, there must exist a matching that covers L.
What's a matching ?
@Astyx A matching in a graph, G, is a set of edges such that no two
edges in the set share a vertex. A matching is said to cover a set, L, of vertices iff
each vertex in L has an edge of the matching incident to it
And what do you want to know ?
Do you need a graph to be connected ? if not this seems to be false
(take a graph with no edges)
@Tarun
17:18
@Astyx I think as per definiiton, There could be a case where matching covers a set L even if the graph is not degree constrained.
Before they are using the terminology " if ..., then.." instead of " if and only if"
I don't understand what you mean
you want to know why the implication isn't an equivalence ?
@Astyx Okay so. I was considering it to be an equivalence and I had few examples in my mind to contradict it. Yeah, I did not read it well and mistakenly considered a implication to be an equivalence.
one vertice of L has degree 1, and one of R has degree 2
Well actually you don't even need that one edge at the bottom
salut @Astyx
Hi !
Je viens de passer mon code de la route
17:25
@Astyx Right and there exist a matching.
Yup
But it means, Degree constrained condition could not be used to check if a graph has matching or not. It means I will have to use Hall's theorem ( that eventually checks every subset of graph and thus time consuming ).
But I fail to see why what they said is true
Isn't checking if a graph has a matching NP-complete anyways ?
I think all they mean to say, If a graph has degree constrained condition - matching exist to cover L. But If a graph is not degree constrained, There may or not may not exist matching that cover L.
Yes, but I don't see why this is true
17:30
Hey hot cats.
How's it hanging.
howdy @anakhro
Hi
@Astyx I can share the link of reading material
Would you have a link ?
or a proof ?
17:36
hi demonic Italic @Alessandro
@Tarun Please do
Hi @AlessandroCodenotti
@TedShifrin how did you end up in geometry? Was it happenstance or did you naturally gravitate to geometry over algebra/analysis
I think taking Guillemin's differential topology course hooked me. Then I took some several complex variables and complex manifolds as a senior and it fascinated me.
17:43
@TedShifrin I realized I don't have any idea why the exterior deriative should satisfy those properties
or what it means at all
hi Leaky
@Leaky: $df$ should be what we think it should be ... all the rest is making it be a derivation.
namaste Ted
and who be you?
17:44
@TedShifrin what do you mean by "a derivation"?
linear and product rule
why $d^2=0$?
I need to look more into the complex side of things when it comes to geometry.
@TedShifrin means ?
17:45
ah, that's the deep one — that's equality of mixed partials ... but that's why $d$ is so important. From the perpective of homological algebra, it gives you a complex. From the perspective of PDE, it gives you integrability conditions.
heya @Lucas
who are you, @RockDock?
i was just doing namaste to you
But are you someone we used to know who now has a new name?
@TedShifrin but from an elementary perspective?
nope
Oh, ok, Rock.
17:47
should we call you rock?
do you got me when i said you namaste
@LeakyNun yes
@Leaky: It's equality of mixed partials. That's "simple calculus" but the deepest part, actually.
namaste is hi in hindi
@TedShifrin I don't understand why eqaulity of mixed partials should give you $d^2=0$
Then compute.
17:49
What Mike said.
wait isn't it an axiom?
NOOOOOOOO.
@MikeMiller ^ this is why I don't like axiomatic definitions. ;)
No, it's not.
@anakhro uh.. what?
17:51
so your axioms are $\mathrm df = \sum \frac{\partial f}{\partial x^i} \mathrm dx^i$ and $\mathrm d(\alpha \land \beta) = \mathrm d \alpha \land \beta + (-1)^p \alpha \land \mathrm d\beta$?
@LucasHenrique Not worth the time.
@Tarun Right there's a small mistake page 135, you need $x$ to be nonzero
Which only happens in the pathological cases, but still worth noting
@LucasHenrique You will have to give me more than "uh.. what?" if you want something meaningful.
That is, you need the graph to be connected (which in this case is the same as not being totally disconnected)
@TedShifrin are those your axioms?
17:53
Plus linearity, @Leaky.
@anakhro the only way you'll ever surely "know" something in math is playing around with the axioms so you get a proof.
@TedShifrin how would you explain the $(-1)^p$?
Moving a 1-form across another costs a sign
Skew symmetry
I don't usually think it about axiomatically. I define it in coordinates and then check it's well-defined. You can do this directly (but it's hard) or you can verify the properties from the definition and then argue uniqueness.
17:54
@LucasHenrique it was in reference to a previous conversation I had with Mike where I expressed distaste at definitions which are axiomatic when others exist that give more intuition as to why you would be interested in the object to begin with.
So while axioms play a large role in mathematics, the point I would try to get across is that so does "intuition" and "inspiration".
The context, though, was you avoiding intuition by refusing to play with the axioms, preferring something that gives much less intuition.
I'm done.
@MikeMiller why should it cost a sign though
oh ok sorry
This is not really an answer, but you want the wedge to be a cup product for De Rahm cohomology. But then one asks why is there a $(-1)^p$ in cup products and I guess that fixes some orientation
no I know how to compute the exterior derivatives
@MikeMiller I like the history component of mathematics a lot.
Isn't the sign from being a graded derivation?
17:59
@TedShifrin I don't think I know how I should think about differential forms to begin with. Thinking about them as multilinear forms that eat tangent vectors doesn't seem very helpful.
@LeakyNun maybe one thing is to look at a 1-form and figure out a nice way of looking at it.
For example, consider a 1-form $\alpha$ in $\mathbb R^3$.
@Leaky: I never teach the undergraduates forms that way.
What does $\ker\alpha$ look like?
maybe I should think about $(\mathrm d\omega)(v_1, v_2, \cdots, v_n)$
@anakhro oh someone told me about how they look like parallel hyperplanes stacked on top of each other
and then commented how that doesn't give any intuition at all
That's not quite what I had in mind.
And I'd agree that the "physicist" way of looking at it isn't too helpful.
18:01
Hello, please why: $\int_{a<|f(x)|\leq b}|f(x)|^p dx=\int_{|f|>a} |f(x)|^p dx-\int_{|f(x)|\leq b} |f(x)|^p dx$ ?
@TedShifrin ok I'll rewatch your videos when I get home
Take $\alpha := dz - y\,dx$. What is $\ker\alpha_p$ at a $p = (p_1,p_2,p_3)\in\mathbb R^3$?
the parallel planes thing is what physicists keep saying to me and i never really found it helpful
@Leaky: That hyperplane stacking thing comes Misner, Thorne, Wheeler, a book on relativity.
@TedShifrin hello
18:03
@anakhro that's the plane normal to $(-p_2, 0, 1)$
It's thinking of flux as a 2-form, @Eric.
ik what it's doing i just never really got mileage out of the picture
@ÉricoMeloSilva then how do you think about forms?
@LeakyNun so you get a plane at each $p$.
indeed
18:05
@Vrouvrou: That's wrong. The second integral should be over $|f(x)|>b$.
i guess it depends on what im doing
@TedShifrin ohh yes you are write, but why please ?
$\int_{a<|f(x)|\leq b}|f(x)|^p dx=\int_{|f|>a} |f(x)|^p dx-\int_{|f(x)|> b} |f(x)|^p dx$
Think about what it means to say $a<y\le b$.
$y>a$ and $y\leq b$
but then $\int_{A\cap B}=\int_{A}+\int_{B}$ ? @TedShifrin
@LeakyNun You can then integrate along a curve in the expected way, much like the physicist's idea. # intersections gives the value of the integral $\int \alpha$ over the curve.
18:08
No, @Vrouvrou. Pay more attention to it.
@anakhro so you do like stacking planes
no I don't know
@TedShifrin
How do you rewrite $y\le b$? It means NOT $y>b$.
How can I describe a base of $\Bbb R^{\Bbb N}$? Since every vector must a be a linear combination of finitely many vectors, the way I'd construct a "basis" makes $\operatorname{dim} \Bbb R^{\Bbb N} = \Bbb R$, which is wrong (I think...)
18:10
So you're doing $A-B$, not $A\cap B$.
oooo $\int_{A\setminus B}=\int_{A}-\int_{B}$
Well, that's right if $B\subset A$.
@Eran Shavua tov
Which is true in your case.
hello, DogAteMy.
and what about $\int_{A\cap B}$ ?
18:12
I have no idea.
Unless you can do what we just did.
tbh i think i really do just think of forms in terms of their exterior algebra props + how d works
@LeakyNun this is not the same as stacking planes.
You can argue (Hubbard&Hubbard basically does this) that you could define $d$ by having an infinitesimal Stokes's Theorem.
@Lucas: There are different notions of basis in infinite dimensions. Google Hamel basis.
Arnol'd tells you d in terms of the first order term of the taylor expansion of a tiny parallelepiped which i like
@TedShifrin ugh... I'll stick to finite-dimensional vector spaces.
18:16
@Lucas: In analysis it's more natural to allow infinite linear combinations :P
schauder baby
@TedShifrin is $(\mathrm d \omega)(v_0, v_1, \cdots, v_n) = \displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^n (-1)^i \omega(v_0, \cdots, \widehat{v_i}, \cdots, v_n)$ more helpful?
@Ted: I'm still stuck... I can't proceed to show that $\mathbf{N}(A^T)^\perp \subseteq \mathbf{C}(A)$ and I didn't understand your proof.
@TedShifrin cool
What's that hat meant to mean ?
18:19
@ÉricoMeloSilva that is exactly what I do, until I want to teach someone
@Astyx remove that term
so $v_0, v_1, \widehat{v_2}, v_3$ means $v_0, v_1, v_3$
Oh right
@LeakyNun That ain't right.
@LeakyNun this is obviously not a correct formula
the right hand side contains no derivatives
@Lucas: The proof in the book? So let's transpose and go back to $N(A)^\perp\subset R(A)$?
Alright.
18:23
@LeakyNun if i want to teach someone i work in $n = 2$ or $3$. If they need to know arbitrary dim i will be going through the multilinear algebra which imo ppl have to know better than the back of their hand (at least i need to)
So the key issue is that $x\in N(A) \iff Ax = 0 \iff x\in R(A)^\perp$.
Aha, so is the issue double perp getting us back to the start? I don't know what you're using and what you're not.
@ÉricoMeloSilva Really?
i mean what would you do
you obviously know better than me re: pedagogy
In my book/course I had no issue doing $\Bbb R^n$. I mean I show examples with $n$ not too large, and eventually I go back and tie it into grad, div, curl with $n=3$.
I don't see what the multilinear algebra is ...
I mean, I defined forms as alternating multilinear guys in the first place, but I don't see why $n$ matters.
Well, I should be careful. I defined everything in terms of $k\times k$ determinants.
@TedShifrin yeah. I'm using facts about consistency and non-singular matrices and I also have that $\mathbf{R}(A)^\perp = \mathbf{N}(A)$, $\mathbf{N}(A^T) = \mathbf{C}(A)^\perp$ and obviously the column-row equivalence of the transpose.
@AkivaWeinberger Shavua tov man!
18:28
Usually I go about it as sections of the exterior bundles.
@Lucas: Are you following my book or doing this some other way? Where are you?
But most people here are more friendly when it comes to knowing the exterior algebra as an algebra quotient.
@anakhro: That won't be useful to first- and second-year undergraduates.
I'm following the book. It's proposition 2.4 from chapter 3.
@TedShifrin you teach differential forms on manifolds to 1st and 2nd year undergraduates?
18:29
For differential geometry, you don't like the quotient construction. @anakhro ... you really want the skew-symmetric sub construction.
Yes, @anakhro.
Very impressive!
See my book/YouTube lectures.
OK, @Lucas. Let me look.
Ahhh ... OK. So what do you not follow?
I wouldn't even know where to begin. Too much linear algebra background I'd need to cover first.
You don't need much, @anakhro. Just determinants.
So they don't really see tangent spaces as vector spaces?
18:31
@Lucas: So the key idea is that of the constraint equations for the column space.
What sort of things are they seeing?
@anakhro: We're only talking about forms on $\Bbb R^n$ and submanifolds of $\Bbb R^n$. Nothing abstract.
So you identify the tangent spaces with R^n?
In practice in my course, the only forms on $M\subset\Bbb R^n$ that showed up were restrictions of ambient forms. Although there were a few (hard) exercises—like for orientability—where you have to use partitions of unity to glue together things intrinsically. But hardly any students looked at those.
For $\Bbb R^n$, yes, of course.
@TedShifrin i mean ok i just meant going through doing exterior algebra formally w people and connecting that to all your traditional determinant formulas and stuff, but i guess u dont need to do that with newbies but i guess im in a crazy upside down world where the average person i meet is less likely to be cool w expressing things in terms of determinants of minors than in terms of the exterior algebra
18:34
Yeah, @Eric, that's because you live in Chicago. :P
It's nice to have the geometric interpretation of $k$-volumes of projections.
@Lucas: It would be helpful if you responded to me. What precisely do you not agree with or follow?
yeah i mean i agree w that certainly
@TedShifrin I don't understand how the claim "we know the there exists a system of restriction equations [...] so $b \in \Bbb R^m$ is in $\mathbf{C}(A)$" is necessarily true. I read everything again and still no clue.
@TedShifrin but why not {|f|>B} is not include in A ?
@TedShifrin I was writing down everything. Sorry.
18:35
actually the grad student who TAed my analysis class way back in freshman year said forms were "pretentious parallelograms" and that i found a little amusing
@TedShifrin when the students then go on and take a course dealing with manifolds, how well do they grapple them having done stuff like your first course?
@anakhro: The next step for most of my students (if there was one) was Guillemin & Pollack, not a graduate course immediately.
Ah, I see.
For example, if $A$ is non-singular I have a big intuition that it's not necessarily true (but it is, obviously, I just didn't get the idea)
So they probably are fairly well off by the time they see the definition of an abstract manifold?
18:38
@Lucas: If $A$ is square and nonsingular, then there are no constraints, and $N(A^\top) = 0$.
So, the baby case which is bothering you is that case where the rank is $m$, so no constraint equations.
Then $V=\{0\}$ in that proof.
(Perhaps I should have commented on that in the proof.)
one thing that's only tangentially related though @Ted, the physicists in my GR class are like linear algebra agnostic, and that is truly a pain when so many GR books go to great lengths to try to avoid spelling out what is actually happening when you do all these index calculations
@TedShifrin please to say $A-B$ we must have $B\subset A$ in my case what is A and B?
Yeah, I agree with you, @Eric. Physicists of all people should know linear algebra.
please
@Ted, I'll take a moment to digest everything.
18:41
@Vrouvrou: $A = \{x: |f(x)|>a\}$ and $B=\{x: |f(x)|>b\}$, and you assumed $a<b$.
my book doesnt even tell you that covectors are living in the dual space to vectors, just stuff about them eating each other, and man these grad students were confused as hell when our prof was explaining this without defining anything
rant over
ohhh yes of cours thank you
@Lucas: So the key thing is that observation that if $W\subset V$, then $V^\perp\subset W^\perp$. I remember thinking it was cool when I figured out this proof.
LOL, @Eric: It's funny when you rant. :P
@TedShifrin I proved this already. Does the rest follow from this?
Probably in GR it isn't good to confuse dual things with vectors using the inner product.
So constraint equations are allowing you to write $C(A) = V^\perp$ for that subspace $V$. That's the key thing, yes.
I don't think that gets used here.
18:44
yeah i mean i always found the best way to be clear on all these big index computations in einstein notation is to be very very clear in your mind about spaces and where everything lives on the tensor algebra and where isomorphisms are being used via the inner product or w.e.
Of course, if you go a few sections later, you get $V^{\perp\perp} = V$.
but then the physicists just define everything in terms of components and never tell you anything about where anything lives and blunder through computations like madmen and then they get the right answer seemingly accidentally
But sometimes it's a pain in the ass to try to make intrinsic sense of every computation, @Eric.
yeah i mean sometimes u just cant
18:48
I'm too dumb, @Ted... I'm sorry. I still don't get how you get the constraint equations.
I would like to prove that if $\lVert f- f_n\rVert _p\rightarrow 0$ then $f_n \rightarrow f$ in measure. My attempt: let $\delta >0$ and define $D_n = {x\in X: |f_n(x) -f(x)| \ge \delta}$ now assume by contradiction that $\limsup_{n\rightarrow \infty} \mu (D_n) \neq 0$ that is, there is a subsequence $ D_{n_k}$ such that $\lim _{k \rightarrow \infty} D_{n_k} = c > 0$ (might be infinity) . by monotonicity of integral we get
$$\int _\mathbb{X} \vert f-f_{n_k} \vert ^p d \mu \ge \int_D_n_k |f-f_n_k|^p d\mu \ge \int_D_n_k \delta^p d\mu = \delta \cdot c $$ since it holds for every $k$ we get th
Have you worked examples back in Chapter 1, @Lucas? You make the augmented matrix with $b$ on the right, and row reduce to echelon form. Any row of zeroes gives you an equation $c\cdot b = 0$.
i remember in my minimal surfaces class last year we were working through some PDEs u get on the second fundie and no mere mortal can keep track of what's happening on the level of spaces and you just gotta figure out the PDE intuition to work w em
@TedShifrin yes, I remember that. What I mean is that I don't even know where you're seeing a matrix or why you started to talk about constraint equations in the proof.
Imagine Yau's proof of the Calabi conjecture with third- or fourth-order estimates ...
@Lucas: Now you're being silly. We're talking about the column space of $A$ to start with. That's the matrix. And we're thinking of the column space as being characterized by those constraint equations.
18:52
Oh, okay, got it.
.
This is not working :'(
I think I might be getting it.
@TedShifrin or the madness in the Schoen-Yau proof
@Eran $\int _\mathbb{X} \vert f-f_{n_k} \vert ^p d \mu \ge \int_{D_{n_k}} |f-f_{n_k}|^p d\mu \ge \int_{D_{n_k}} \delta^p d\ mu = \delta \cdot c$
18:54
@Lucas: It is sort of sneaky. We figured this proof out for the second edition. It wasn't in the first.
@LucasHenrique Thanks :D
which theorem, @Eric? I don't know their proofs ... anyhow.
positive mass
oh, the t threw me off :P
positive mass theorem or pearl milk tea take your pick
18:57
I was expecting c, not t. :)
everyone i know here just calls it Schoen-Yau and it's invariably always what they mean when they say that
Sure. But I live in a different universe.
ye
Im off to study for midterms
tchau tchau
@TedShifrin Can you help me please with my proof?
19:01
I haven't thought about measure theory in decades, @Eran. There are definitely better people to ask in here. What is the issue, in particular?
Oh, ok.. just want to check if my proof seems correct. Thank you anyway :)
Oh my God, I think I got it and it's incredibly simple... I'm sorry for being silly, @Ted. :p
No apologies needed, @Lucas. Good grief. I already told you it's sneaky.
19:17
@MikeMiller Hi mike, I spend some time on your proof suggestions, here are the things unclear to me: the map $F \colon H \times L_1 \to M$ is such that its differential surjects on the intersection $T_xL_1 \cap T_xL_2$. Why does it implies that $F$ is transverse to $L_2$? I think I misunderstood something here.
@Riccardo My claim is that $F$ is transverse to $L_2$ along $\{0\} \times L_1$. Do you agree with that?
(I'll have this conversation here but from now on you are more likely to get in touch with me via email, available in my profile.)
Mike shuns us.
@MikeMiller great, I'll get in touch with you there then
@TedShifrin Just some.
sulks in the corner
19:21
@Riccardo I mean to say I am glad to work this issue out here, though. Just for future things.
@MikeMiller aah sorry, I misunderstood then ahaha. ok I'll elaborate my thoughts here
@MikeMiller So what's unclear is why $F$ is transverse to $L_1$. As far as I understood, the assumption on $H$ is some finite dim vector space of hamiltonian v.f. s.t. $dF$ surjects on the intersection of $T_xL_1 \cap T_xL_2$. Are we adding the directions to make it transverse to $H$ "artificially"?
I am confused about your confusion!
We have a map $F: H \times L_1 \to M$
The differential at (0,x) is the sum of a map $H \to T_x M$ and the inclusion $T_x L_1 \to M$
To be transverse to $L_2$ means that the sum of these images, plus $T_x L_2$, give the whole $T_x M$
Oh, maybe I told you the wrong condition.
$H \to T_x M/(T_x L_1 + T_x L_2)$ should be surjective.
ooo
ok
That looks more promising. :)
But you can arrange that $H \to T_x M$ is surjective for all relevant $x$.
19:28
Fun fact: In 1955, the US military released 300,000 mosquitoes over the State of Georgia
They called it Operation Big Buzz
And yes; we are precisely adding all possible directions we haven't already dealt with.
ok I guess this solves half of my doubts then. I need to convince myself of "exercise 2)" you wrote yesterday, then I should be fine
Whats the inverse function of $f(x) = 2^x$?
$log{2}{x}$?
@JBis $\log_2(x)$ by definition
@LucasHenrique thanks.
19:39
is there a relationship between the number of edges on a rooted tree and it's depth?
@Rick isn't the number of edges always one less than the number of vertices?
@Riccardo It's quite similar to the above - just writing out all the maps of various tangent spaces and seeing they sum to the whole space
I'm out, goodbye
Bye! and thanks!
correct
19:45
@Ted: I thought I was sure of one part but I'm not. How do we get from $b = A^Tx \in \mathbf{C}(A)$ to that system of homogeneous equations?
You don't. It's from the row-reduction algorithm.
As you're writing an exam, if you think to yourself, "this is an interesting problem", then it is definitely TOO HARD TO PUT ON THE EXAM.
How so? I'm thinking of the row-reduction algorithm, too. I remember that the parametric description has the ugly non-zero vector if you have a non-zero vector on the other side
but the depth, if you were to flatten a tree, several of the vertices will lay on the same cols
Re: tweet (But maybe good as a homework problem?)
19:48
Have you actually done explicit examples/exercises, @Lucas?
That's the best way to understand.
Yes, I did them.
I'm stuck on this problem like for 2 days..
I do everything that comes up.
So you understand you get one $c_j$ for each row of $0$'s in the echelon form of $A$?
By keeping track of the linear combination of the $b_i$ that has to be $0$?
@TedShifrin you mean the leading term?
Huh?
I'm talking about things like examples 3 and 4 in section 1.5.
and inverse of $log_3(x)$ is $3^x$?
19:52
@TedShifrin I'm gonna check them.
@TedShifrin what's $c_j$ again?
I was talking about the $c_j$ from the proof we were looking at.
That's the main trouble I'm experiencing. The matrix $A$ has row vectors $A_j$ and column vectors $a_j$; I don't understand where the $c_j$ came from. What I think we're trying to do is to make every column space element fit the same homogeneous equation, and this homogeneous equation will be $Cb = 0$.
That's right.
What "same homogeneous equation"?
@TedShifrin the one we must find.
Write the constraint equations as $c\cdot b = 0$ and those different constraint equations give you different $c_j$.
The book is full of examples. Look at example 2 just in the middle of the proof you were asking me about.
20:00
OH GOD.
Finally.
You need to actually work out examples in the book for yourself, with paper and pencil, and make sure you understand them.
Now everything makes sense. That's why the case where the rank is $m$ is not interesting; because we wouldn't have such $c$.
Right; that's what I said an hour ago :P
Even though students whine that my books are hard, I claim they aren't reading them right and knowing how to learn properly :P
@TedShifrin I did. My problem was really the proof. I'm not sure if the translator changed it so much that it became unclear or I'm just really really stupid.
Hmm, all I can do is look at the Portuguese and try to guess.
20:02
The proof is simple and worked through almost every example (and I did the exercises too), but it's unclear.
As best I can tell, it's a translation of what I wrote in English. : P
But if you understood the example right before it, that shows you exactly what you said you didn't understand.
For example, the constraint equations for $b$ are first shown for, then, say what $b$ is.
But this discussion of constraint equations has been going on ever since section 4 of chapter 1.
It's not new concepts or new notation.
I agree. The problem is that (at least for me), it was not obvious that you should get this from $A^Tx = b$, since there could be more facts about the column space to be used, and not the good ol' echelon algorithm.
@TedShifrin your handwriting is really impressive
20:07
No, not $A^\top x = b$. This is $Ax=b$ being consistent.
That says that $b$ is a linear combination of the columns of $A$.
Ahh, I really made a silly confusion. You're right.
@LeakyNun LOL: Clearly that's the most important thing.
Finally I can say that I understood the proof. Thank you!
smacks Ted
LOL. You're welcome.
Wait. Why the smack?
@Leaky let say we don't know the number of vertices but only the depth, would it be correct to say that the depth has no relation to the number of edges?
20:12
You were kind to me, so I gave you a little present. :P
@Rick it would
Gee, thanks, @Lucas :P
thanks :)
@TedShifrin one day I should binge your series
obviously not all in one day
Nah, @Leaky. Most of it will not sustain your interest. But there are some nontrivial applications and examples with forms and integrals ...
20:16
I was wondering: are those fundamental subspaces totally discarded if you're not in a inner product space?
you still have kernel and image, for sure
Well, then you no longer have the geometric meaning of transpose. It rather means the map on the dual space. But you still have the subspaces, just not the orthogonalities.
The right interpretation then becomes pairing $V^*$ and $V$. To a subspace of $V$ you associate its annhilator in $V^*$.
$\mathrm d^2\omega = \mathrm d^2 \sum \omega_I \mathrm dx^I = \mathrm d \sum \mathrm d \omega_I \land \mathrm dx^I \\ = \mathrm d \sum \sum \dfrac{\partial \omega_I}{\partial x^j} \mathrm d x^j \land \mathrm dx^I = \sum \sum \mathrm d \dfrac{\partial \omega_I}{\partial x^j} \land \mathrm d x^j \land \mathrm dx^I = \sum \sum \sum \dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial x^k \partial x^j} \mathrm dx^k \land \mathrm d x^j \land \mathrm dx^I = 0$
You have a typo or two in there.
But the key thing is symmetry of the second partials and skew-symmetry of $dx^k\wedge dx^j$.
right
thanks
20:23
And there's a sophisticated version of this in Riemannian geometry where you have some representation of $S_3$ going on ... This is just $S_2$. :P
I'm gonna ride my bicycle for while, bye @LeakyNun, @Ted. :)
bye, @Lucas.
Lunch-time for Ted.
I just had dinner
20:46
@MikeMiller I found a group satisfying the requirement we were discussing the other day. Specifically $L=\langle a,b\vert abab^{-1}=bab^{-1}a\rangle$ where $\langle a\rangle$ is not normal in $L$ but $\langle a,bab^{-1}\rangle$ is normal. A subgroup of the symmetric group $S_6$. Allow $a=(12)(56)$ and $b=(135)(246)$, then $bab^{-1}=(12)(34)$ and $bbab^{-1}b^{-1}=(34)(56)$.
20:56
I believe, if I've counted correctly, that it's a group of order 12 where no element has order greater than 3.
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/242779/limit-of-lp-norm
Can anyone explain why $\mu(S_\delta) < \infty$ here?
positive and finite

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