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Oh, haha. I just looked at the next problem and it wants me to prove $V = \ker(p(T)) \oplus \ker(q(T))$, with the same assumptions.
This would be one part, and the other part would be showing that every vector is a sum of something in each. I think that other part is where $p(T)q(T) = 0$ kicks in
Ah nice
How come Ted calls you Demonark.
Apparently I'm demonic
Haha, okay.
Not that he's wrong
00:05
@Daminark you can work that out with group homology purely algebraically if you want. You'll find that $H_n(\Bbb{Z}/p,A)$ is two-periodic and you get $A[p]=\{a \in A \mid pa =0\}$ for even $n \geq 2$ and $A/pA$ for odd $n$. ($A$ is any abelian group)
Yo what's cooking
Yo @Balarka
$H_n(\Bbb Z/p\Bbb Z)$ is periodic 'cuz $\Bbb Z/p\Bbb Z$ acts on $S^3$ :3
Might be non-trivially inclined to start pulling out group homology. This is a common theme in my class, no one has any clue how to figure out the non-Hatcher problems until some wacky high powered theorem falls from the sky
@BalarkaSen don't you mean on $S^1$?
00:09
I mean maybe we were going about this the wrong way
@MatheinBoulomenos Doesn't matter, but yeah. I was thinking of the lens space action
You have to compute lesser dudes with the action on $S^1$, I admit.
That's why it's 2-periodic!
Well, it's 2-periodic because it's 4-periodic and H_0 = H_2 and H_1 = H_3 :P
Ah, but that only gives the result at the level of groups
the idea for the group cohomology thing is that if $G$ is a cyclic group, you can write down an easy projective resolution of $\Bbb Z$ as a $\Bbb{Z}[G]$-module. You have the norm element $N_G=\sum_{h \in G}h$. And if $g$ is a generator of $G$, then you can write down a LES $\dots \to \Bbb Z[G] \to \Bbb{Z}[G] \to \Bbb{Z} \to 0$.
Where the map $\Bbb{Z}[G] \to \Bbb{Z}$ sums over coefficients and the maps $\Bbb{Z}[G] \to \Bbb{Z}[G]$ alternate between multiplication with $g-1$and multiplication with $N_G$
00:15
But we even have a class in the ring giving the periodicity
@MatheinBoulomenos You have just given the same suggestion I have ;)
The class is actually the "Euler class" of the fibration $S^n/G \to BG$
And the periodicity map is the Thom isomorphism
:3
Do you want to see a question I got curious about but you will call bullshit?
For sure!
3
Q: Is a principal $\mathbb{Z}_2\ltimes PSU(4)$-bundle over a 3-manifold $M$ equivalent to an element in $H^1(M,\mathbb{Z}_2)\times H^2(M,\mathbb{Z}_4)$?

Zheyan WanGiven a 3-manifold $M$ and a principal $\mathbb{Z}_2\ltimes PSU(4)$-bundle $P$ over $M$ whose isomorphism class is represented by the homotopy class of a map $f:M\to B(\mathbb{Z}_2\ltimes PSU(4))$ where $\mathbb{Z}_2$ acts on $PSU(4)$ by the outer automorphism. Since there is a (right split) sho...

The context was that we had a problem to show that a compact 3-manifold with finite fundamental group had universal cover homotopy equivalent to S^3. If in turn the fundamental group is abelian, then it's cyclic. First part was ez and then our idea for the second was that you had π_2 = 0, only needed a single 4-cell to kill π_3, and then you can add a bunch of stuff to give yourself $K((\mathbb{Z}/p)^2,1)$.
00:19
Oh no I looked at the title of the question later today, I was immediately intimidated away
Later today?? Wow
I'm time travelling through my sleep schedule
I meant earlier
@Daminark yeah thats the correct idea
@BalarkaSen The comment I made about the classification of $O(2)$-bundles is folklore to me, I never did it. I guess it's by explicitly understanding the Postnikov tower, and I guess that's what we should do here
But to do it here I'd need to start by understanding that folklore I think
@Daminark Oh nice, so $H_1(M;\Bbb Z/p)$ and $H_2(M;\Bbb Z/p)$ contradict Poincare duality.
Now we were trying to say that $H_4$ had to be at most dimension 1 which fucks Kunneth. And if we know that either $H_3$ or $H_4$ is $0$ then we're good. Given that there's still stuff left to do I'm slightly inclined to just cite the fact that I totally understand that $H_3(K(\mathbb{Z}/p,1)$ is non-zero, maybe by group homology or smth
00:25
way too complicated
Actually in general the natural map $H_2(M;A) \to H_2(\pi_1 M; A)$ is surjective by similar logic, which is why you have the contradiction here for $A = \Bbb Z/p$.
Oh wait we can use Poincare duality? That's probably what Shmuel had in mind actually
@MikeMiller Weird. If we pass to the double cover corresponding to $w \in H^1(M; \Bbb Z/2)$, the $O(2)$-bundle on $M$ lifts to an $SO(2)$-bundle on $\tilde{M}$, right?
@BalarkaSen Oh, interesting.
I guess that gives rise to a class in twisted cohomology downstairs.
00:30
so if $\lambda$ is a cardinal and $f:\lambda \to Ord$ is non-decreasing and $\alpha = \sup_{i \in \lambda} f(i)$ is a successor ordinal then $|\{ i \in \lambda \mid f(i) = \alpha \}| = \lambda$?
I don't know twisted cohomology but I see why it should be $[M, BSO(2)]$ with a twist coming from the dependence of $\tilde{M}$ on $w$.
this can't be right
Maybe I should work this out. Give me a few minutes
Okay so, $H_1(M;\mathbb{Z}/p) = (\mathbb{Z}/p)^2$, then because $H^1$ is the dual group that should be isomorphic, and by Poincare duality we get that for $H_2$
ah that's the observation that if $\beta \in \lambda$ then $|\lambda \setminus \beta| = \lambda$
00:33
@Daminark Right, though technically you should probably conclude that $H_1(M;\Bbb Z/p) = (\Bbb Z/p)^k$ for some $k>1$
I guess you're just passing to the appropriate cover
Yeah
and that's because if $|\lambda \setminus \beta| < \lambda$ then $|\lambda \setminus \beta| + |\beta| = \max(|\lambda \setminus \beta|, |\beta|) < \lambda$
does that need choice?
no it doesn't
but is the order type of $\lambda \setminus \beta$ also $\lambda$?
it should be
ok so given $\beta \le \alpha$ we want to look at $|\{\gamma \in \lambda \mid \beta \le f(\gamma)\}|$
ah I should look at $\beta < \alpha$ instead
similar logic should give $\lambda$
oh $2^\lambda \le \lambda^\lambda \le (2^\lambda)^\lambda = 2^\lambda$
hi @Ted
hi @Leaky, Demonark, @MikeM, a @Balarka
Hi @Ted!
@Ted you missed when Balarka time-traveled :P
00:46
oh well
so now he's younger than himself
Hey Ted!
Alternatively @Daminark could appeal to elliptization and classify finite abelian subgroups of $SO(4)$ using real Jordan form
kaboom
I guess it's probably not true that commuting matrices are simultaneously Jordanizable
00:50
If it were, we'd all know that from qualifying exams.
We have this. I suspect, then, that you can simultaneously make your matrices "nearly-upper-triangular", meaning that the diagonal 2 x 2 blocks represent complex scaling and the bottom-left block is zeor.
Even the easy direction fails, @MikeM.
what easy direction?
Note I asked about an implication as opposed to an equivalence
Simultaneously Jordan doesn't imply commutes.
I wasn't asking about that, but to be honest I don't see a counterexample immediately. Some simple 3 x 3 thing?
00:53
Simple 2x2 thing. Diagonal and Jordan.
Simultaneous triangularizability is much easier because triangularization is tantamount to choosing an eigenvector iteratively on smaller and smaller blocks. Commuting matrices have a common eigenvector and the iterative blocks also commute... I suppose that gives a proof
@TedShifrin ????
What?
For this sort of thing, guys ....
I understand converses and theorems aren't equivalent.
00:55
Balarka just gave a counterexample (assuming that's still "this sort of thing") by proving that commuting matrices are simultaneously triangularizable. :)
Anyway, I don't know how to use this to finish Dami's problem
So I give up on my nuke
Fine, I'll delete my stoopid comment.
Just picking on you. It's all I do.
I'm still not sure about Balarka's proof, although this one might be more plausible.
I think it works, inductively passing to quotient spaces.
If there are compatible lifts, maybe. I keep wondering why I don't know this cold if it's true.
00:59
Seems not that useful.
I don't know the general theory behind these simultaneously (blah) things
But we have linear algebra next semester so suppose I'll learn something :)
The crucial thing is proving that commuting guys have some common eigenvector, @Balarka. Certainly it's not true of every eigenvector (of one of 'em). Now how do we see this?
Let me see if I can recall the proof
Give me a few minutes
(Don't reveal if you figure it out before me, people)
Oh. Say $AB = BA$. Suppose $Av = \lambda v$. Then $ABv = BAv = \lambda Bv$. Then $Bv$ is also an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $\lambda$
Exactly
The eigenspace of $\lambda$ is $B$-invariant
01:05
Yeah, this proof is in my book, but I'm still being stoopid.
@BalarkaSen yeah right... we had linear algebra for two years and we just learnt jordan normal form
But you don't know there's a basis for the $\lambda$-eigenspace of $A$ with eigenvectors of $B$.
I think you only need one for Balarka's argument
@TedShifrin Yeah but I can pick one from there
Why don't I just write it out carefully?
01:06
$B$ preserves the eigenspace associated to $A$, so it restricts to an operator on that guy, it has an eigenvector
(Assuming we're still just talking triangularizability, I don't know about commuting -> Jordanizability)
Yeah, that's right, Demonark.
I was still stuck trying to replicate the simultaneous diagonalizability argument.
@LeakyNun i really only understood jordan forms when i was studying odes
but i have forgotten them now
I guess it's just cayley-hamilton + structure theorem for finitely generated modules over principal ideal domain
"just"
you should try to find a proof of jordanizability using infinity topoi
I don't see why you need Cayley-Hamilton there, Leaky.
01:09
I vaguely recall some steps requiring CH
is it actually more like CRT?
Well, if $\Bbb C[x]$ acts on $V$ by having $x\cdot v = T(v)$, you need to know that $xI-T$ gives the relations for the obvious presentation of the module.
Argue by induction. Suppose $V$ is a vector space with two operators $T$ and $S$, which commute. They therefore have a common eigenvector $v$. Then there are induced operators $T'$ and $S'$ on $V/\langle v\rangle$. Inductively, I may choose a linear transformation $L'$ on $V/\langle v\rangle$ to conjugate by to make $T'$ and $S'$ simultaneously triangular. By extending $\{v\}$ to a basis of $V$, we see there is an operator $L$ on $V$ which fixes $v$ and projects to $L'$.
Conjugating by $L$ upstairs we see that we have a new basis so that in the quotient, $T'$ and $S'$ are upper triangular, and $T$ and $S$ have $v$ as an eigenvector. This is what you wanted.
@Leaky actually funny thing, at some point I found a proof of Jordan form that doesn't even use structure theory
Sure, Demonark.
$V$ is f.g. $\Bbb C[X]$-module so $V \cong \bigoplus_{i} \Bbb C[X]/(X-\lambda_i)^{v_i}$ so each $C[X]/(X-\lambda_i)^{v_i}$ should give you a Jordan block: indeed $\{1, X, X^2, \cdots, X^{v_i-1}\}$ is a cyclic basis... I need to rethink my life
this doesn't look like a Jordan block at all
01:21
Sure it does.
@Daminark so did Jordan
where did I fxxx up
Remember that $X$ acts by $T$, so $X-\lambda$ acts by ...
so you're saying... I should look at the basis $\{1, (X-\lambda), (X-\lambda)^2, \cdots, (X-\lambda)^{v_i-1}\}$ instead
Most likely.
01:25
ok so we know that $(X-\lambda)^{v_i-1}$ is an eigenvector
yeah I have it reversed
$\{(X-\lambda)^{v_i-1}, \cdots, (X-\lambda)^2, X-\lambda, 1\}$ is the basis I want
ok I never used CH
and it was way shorter than I think
Well, I think it might come in as I said earlier, Leaky, with the presentation of the module with generators and relations.
You mentioned CRT and I think that's what allows you to convert between different versions of Jordan Form, in particular allowing you to say $\bigoplus_i \mathbb{C}[x]/(x-\lambda_i)^{e_i}$ instead of some random decomposition $\bigoplus_i \mathbb{C}/p_i$
At least I think it does, so in that sense yeah you're right that it kicks in
no that's just observing that irreducible polynomials are $X-\lambda$
I think the point was more in even being able to decompose into powers of irreducibles. At least in the case of groups, for example, to be able to go from just saying "a direct sum of cyclic groups" to "a direct sum of cyclic groups of prime power order" is through CRT
At least that's how I remember doing it
oh well you had a different structure theorem :P
01:33
There are two results ... one with powers of primes, one with successive divisibility of the "factors."
ok so your structure theorem needs CRT to use, and mind needs CRT to prove
and then after that they're essentially the same
@TedShifrin I don't think I understand what you mean
$\bigoplus R/(p_i^{\nu_i})$ versus $R/d_1\oplus R/d_2\oplus \dots$ where $d_1|d_2|\dots$.
I mean with the presentation thing
01:36
Hell, you need to be a lot more specific.
look at the arrow :P
I don't remember anymore ... I'm sure it's discussed in Artin.
I don't generally look at arrows unless someone tells me to ... on mobile, I can't, even.
I'm quite sure I don't need CH to show that $V$ is a f.g. $\Bbb C[X]$-module
No, but how do you know you have all the relations?
what relations?
01:38
That's where the decomposition comes from, silly. You have to get a normal form for the relations.
the decomposition comes from the structure theorem...
It's the relation linear map that you put in Smith normal form.
How do you do the structure theorem?
if $M$ is a f.g. $A$-module then $M \cong A^r \oplus \left( \bigoplus_{i} A/(p_i^{v_i}) \right)$
for irreducible $p_i$
Somewhere you have to do something concrete.
Obviously, if you don't relate your linear transformation to the module structure you get garbage.
well $X$ acts as $T$?
01:42
I'm not going to keep going around in circles. Look at Artin if you want. Otherwise, shrug
02:03
Hello friends of the arts
the whole Santa thing is so creepy. I wonder why catholics would try to present an image of trust and associate to a creepy old guy visiting the children's bedrooms at night
then what about God watching over us every second
well naturally the supreme cuckold is a part of the picture too
but the santa thing is just more on the nose, like it's directly suggestive of the idea that there is nothing to fear why some random old guy comes down the chimney in the olden timey equivalent of a mardi gras costume
oh well
02:25
Why was the math book sad?
God is spaceless, thus it is not clear what he looks like
In other news:
Let $E$ be a set
Is $E$ the spacetime continuum
@Ultradark why?
Because it had so many problems
$T^2$ is a linearly independent torsion operator
invoke the creation tensor
Take a subset $\mathcal{S}\subset \mathcal{P}(E)$. Now make a set $\mathcal{S}^p\subset \mathcal{p}(\mathcal{S})$ such that any element $B \in \mathcal{S}^p$ is $B \subsetneq E$
02:33
Is this actually news?
Then $\mathcal{S}$ is an inductive-$E$ system if:
It's news that does not exist
1. $\varnothing \in \mathcal{S}$
2. $B \cup \{e\} \in \mathcal{S}$ for all $B\in\mathcal{S}^p,e\in E-B$
Then $E$ is finite if $\mathcal{S}=\mathcal{P}(E)$
if we form a subset from elements in a set $\mathbb S$ by imposing some relational predicate $\mathcal R(\mathbb S)$, provided that that subset is not equal to $\mathbb S$ we are assured that the two subsets formed by imposing $\mathcal R(\mathbb S)$ and $\lnot(\mathcal R(\mathbb S))$ are equivalence classes of $\mathbb S$ with respect to .. and that's as much AA as I can do at any given time or I am pretty sure nose bleeds would occur. anyway tell me what ive said there that is wrong
(PS I am copying almost verbatim something from an arxiv)
not equal to $\mathbb S$ or ${\{}\}$ *
@Adam This holds when law of excluded middle holds. Also since any$ \mathcal{R}(\Bbb{S}) \subset \mathcal{P}(\Bbb{S})$ and the powerset can be identified to the set of indicator functions, it follows $\mathcal{R}$ and $\neg\mathcal{R}$ partitions $\mathcal{S}$ into two equivalence classes
Provided $\mathcal{R}$ is an equivalence relation
02:47
ok nice always been a fan of the old LEM so now show me an example of where it doesn't hold
02:58
That I am not sure if I am good enough at logic to demonstrate. For example, say I have some $\mathcal{R}$ defined as "pairs of real numbers whose 10th digit in the decimal expansion are the same. Then for unconputable numbers like the Chaitin's constant, $\mathcal{R}$ is unable to tell you which subset it belongs
03:12
$\varphi(0) = 0$, $\varphi(\alpha^+) = \varphi(\alpha) + \alpha + \alpha + 1$, $\varphi(\lambda) = \lim_{\alpha < \lambda} \varphi(\alpha)$
find asymptotic behaviour of $\varphi$
we know that $\varphi(\alpha) \le \omega^\alpha$
is there a tighter bound?
oh and $\varphi(n) = (n+1)^2$ for $n < \omega$
I believe $\varphi(\omega_\alpha + n) = (\omega_\alpha + n + 1)^2$ also
hi @CaptainAmerica16
the sky
Ooh, clever.
have you got into new trouble :P
I cut my finger on a spoon yesterday...so there's that.
04:11
So, rock-paper-scissors is a game where two people simultaneously choose one of three possible "throws", and then the winner is determined by a particular tournament graph (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament_(graph_theory)) whose vertices are the throws.
Variants of rock-paper-scissors can be created simply by choosing a different tournament graph.
The original game is "interesting" because it has exactly one Nash equilibrium, which assigns a non-zero probability to each throw.
Also, its tournament graph is vertex-transitive (which means that, essentially, all throws are equivalent to each other).
Suppose I want to create an "interesting" rock-paper-scissors variant (one with exactly one Nash equilibrium, and it assigns a positive probability to each throw) whose tournament graph is asymmetric (which means that, essentially, none of the throws are equivalent to each other).
What's the minimum number of throws I can use?
@CaptainAmerica16 oh that's too bad champ try to be more careful hey you know what is just as fun as spoon and totally risk free? Putting up different license plates on your vehicle and stealing fuel
04:58
I have a set of points. I want to come up with a quantitative estimate of how smooth the curve formed by the points are.
what are my options?
I have used with standard deviation and it did not work out well.
I need to measure how abruptly things change.
 
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08:16
@LeakyNun your function has the same growth as Gödel's pairing function restricted to the diagonal of $\mathsf{Ord}\times\mathsf{Ord}$. The bound should be sharp for all ordinals with $\beta=\omega^\beta$
08:27
Mornin'
09:09
@AlessandroCodenotti actually the pairing function is where I got my function from
so, congrats for discovering the inspiration i guess
another problem came to mind: can we charactize all fixed points of $\beta \mapsto 2^\beta$?
(sure, take any ordinal and iterate $\omega$ times, but still)
@LeakyNun I don't think this necessarily gives you all fixed points
If you do that for $\alpha\mapsto\aleph_\alpha$ for example you miss all inaccessible cardinals, if there is any
Because you only get fixed points of countable cofinality
fair
oh no
you don't miss any inaccessible cardinal
just do that to themselves :)
Depends on whether the first element of the sequence startint at $\alpha$ is $\alpha$ or $\alpha+1$ then
Usually you want the latter to get a fixed point above $\alpha$, but here I guess the former is better then
I see
ok is $\varepsilon_0$ a fixed point of $\beta \mapsto 2^\beta$?
$\varepsilon_0 \le 2^{\varepsilon_0} \le \omega^{\varepsilon_0} = \varepsilon_0$? is this valid reasoning?
oh $\omega$ is a fixed point of $\beta \mapsto 2^\beta$
 
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10:25
hey @AlessandroCodenotti
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Q: As a math software user, what would you change about this design of a logical diagram rule framework?

Roll up and smoke AdjointHere is a sketch of a start of a definition of category. It uses definitions found in set so we import that. In that file you'll find $\text{cat} \ \textbf{Set}$ defined and all the basic set operations. Anytime you compile a diagram and a Node is titled "Definition:..." then that triggers an ...

Rehi
I'm in a GGT lecture atm, cannot think about ordinals
What's GGT?
geometric galois theory?
Geometric group theory
oh, same thing :P
What's interesting in it?
@AlessandroCodenotti
You're name has code in it
10:41
Code has always been my nickname because of it. But we don't read it like it woud be read in English
@RollupandsmokeAdjoint a lot of stuff. We're dealing with hyperbolic groups now
What's a hyperbolic group?
Oh
one formed from a hyperbolic conic section?
Nvm
I googled
something really complex
11:13
@MatheinBoulomenos hello I have a small algebra question
@Jacksoja hello
Shoot
you helped me before if you remember with similiar question !
Does anyone have a good source for the discussion of explicit solutions to the Dirichlet problem? I can't find it any of my standard textbooks.
@Jacksoja just ask
11:15
I wnat to understand what the group GL_n was made ?and what structure does it preserve
every linear map from R^n to R^n is of the form Ax
where A is a matrix
@LeakyNun $\epsilon_0$ is a tower of $\omega$, each a fixed point of the exponential map you wrote
but do we have bijections from R^n to R^n that arent of the form Ax ?
GL_n(R) is the group of invertible linear transformations of R^n,, these are those bijections that preserve the vector space structure
@Jacksoja yes, an easy example is the map $x \mapsto x+1$, but there are more complicated ones
can you explain more " perserve the structure "
I keep seing this but wihtout fully understanding it
bijection and invertible for a vector space are the same thing
The vector space structure consists of addition and scalar multiplication. Being linear means that $A(v+w)=Av+Aw$ and $A\lambda v=\lambda Av$, the first part is the preservation of addition, the second the preservation of scalar multiplication
11:19
@MatheinBoulomenos since all I have seen is this in my examples, what would be a non exemple ?
something that does not preserve this propertly ?
take the map $f(x)=x+1$
where $n=1$
we have $f(2+2)=5\neq f(2)+f(2)=6$
okay but also having just linear maps ( without being inverstible ) would also keep the structure of a vs
the requirement of keeping only the invertible ones , is forced to have a group right?
so in this case, all the groups orginate from taking a set, and looking at its bijections
and if we pick a set that has already some structure, like a vector space, that way we have more results
it this good intuition ?
yes, if we have a set with some structure, we want to look at those bijections which preserve the structure
11:25
@MatheinBoulomenos I saw yesterday that $H^*(A_5; \Bbb F_2)$ is a domain. I wonder in general how often $H^*(G; \Bbb F_2)$ or $H^{2*}(G; \Bbb F_p)$ (passing to even gradings to ignore the obvious nilpotents).
@MatheinBoulomenos alright , It is alot clearer now thank you !
@MikeMiller interesting. I haven't thought about that before
This paper constructs groups with long-lasting nilpotents for F_2 coefficients
@MatheinBoulomenos tag
@LeakyNun tag
11:30
@MatheinBoulomenos sind $2^{\varepsilon_0}$ und $\varepsilon_0$ gleich?
@LeakyNun I know very little set theory
almost none
@MikeMiller so I have been wondering the following: suppose that you have an abelian group $A$, a group $G$ and a central extension $1 \to A \to E \to G \to 1$. I think (or hope) that this should induce an exact sequence on (non-abelian) cohomology $\dots \to H^1(X;A) \to H^1(X;E) \to H^1(X;G) \to H^2(X;A)$ via some Snake-lemma-like diagram chasing.
Now suppose the morphism $H^1(X;G) \to H^2(X;A)$ is natural in $X$, then this determines via Yoneda an element of $[K(1,G),K(A,2)]=H^2(G;A)$. Is this the same element in $H^2(G;A)$ that is determined via the standard algebraic construction for t
when we speak of an equivalence relation on a set $\mathbb S$, the standard convention used is '$\sim$' but how do a formally address a relation composed of multiple '$\sim$'?
I'm confident that's true
11:39
yeah, it seems very plausible, but I wanted to make sure I didn't make a mistake and wrote nonsense at some point
The way I would construct that sequence is to construct a fiber sequence $BE \to BX \to B^2A$ classifying the central extension - the construction of such a sequence gives rise to it and vice versa
ie $R_n:a\sim_1b \land a \sim_2 b \land a \sim_3 b … a \sim_n b$
Then you get some exact sequence from the small terms of the SS
Interesting, I need to learn more homotopy theory, that sounds much better than doing diagram chasing on stuff that may not even be a group
11:41
or more concisely, how do I generalize the notational declaration of a particular composition of equivalence relations, joined by logic operators as I did in the example of $\land$
I do not think the sequence I stated is written often in the literature, I have had to rederive it a fee times
@MatheinBoulomenos linear bijections of R^n < bijections of R^n < all maps from R^n to R^n , is this an accurate description ?
GL_n < Sym (R^n ) < maps R^n --> R^n
@Jacksoja yes, theser are all subsets
perfect !
Everything to the right of GL_n is absolutely massive
11:47
particular composition of equivalence relations and their necessary negations (necessary for the composite to satisfy the requisites of a standard equivalence relation)*
common on, logic operators and fundamental abstract algebra concepts in the same question, uniting those who are already the best of friends, programmers and mathematical "purists"
@MatheinBoulomenos friend of yours?
@MikeMiller I don't think I know him, no, but that's interesting
12:19
> Zhang was identified as one of the top candidates for the Nobel Prize by Thomson Reuters in 2014 for his work on quantum effects, including topological insulators (material that insulate from the inside but allow the flow of electrons on their surface), spintronics, and high temperature superconductivity.
Link should be fixed now
I still have no idea what a topological insulator is
henlo
12:38
@Daminark henlo
How's it going?
Looks like I should look up solid state physics
13:11
There's an article by Freed (mathematician) linked there
I found it very helpful
13:26
Tomorrow I have my final exam on algorithm. In the previous year paper it was asked - "Is P=NP? Justify your answer." Can anyone tell me how to answer it? :p
"No because come on"
I know it is a unsolved problem. But how to answer it in an exam?
The setseelements (0,1) and (1,0) are usually considered as the generators for Zp X Zp. But we can take any two elements of order p as generator set for the cayley graph of Zp X Zp , right?
The set containing the two elements (1,0),(0,1) is usually regarded as the minimal generating set for cayley graph of Zp X Zp
Sorry the first part of the sentence was not properly typed so I sent it again
@UnknownMathMan however you want
seems to me clearly a joke
"Either it is or it isn't"
13:41
@LeakyNun That should work
A generating set with any two elements of order p will give a Cayley graph for Zp X Zp which will look like a square grid similar to the square grid we obtain when considering the generator set {(1,0),(0,1)},right? p is a prime
Good morning everyone
@BuddhiniAngelika Yeah
Well, really a torus 'cause the top of the graph will wrap into the bottom and the left will wrap into the right
Like that kinda
Exactly like that, it just goes a li'l too fast
oh I see you mean the discrete version when you say 'kinda'
sure
Thank you very much!😊
13:53
Unrelatedly, this is a cool GIF
Cutting a bagel into two linked pieces
(The face between them is a Möbius strip)
And if we consider a semidirect product between Zq and G=Zp X Zp then if two elements of order p are also contained in the generator set of cayley graph of the semidirect product then this torus structure will always be created within the cayley graph right?
Yes wow @AkivaWeinberger

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