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19:03
I don’t know matchad, but if it allows parametric plots you can do (x,y)=(t^3,t) @RandoHinn
(Mathcad?)
19:25
@BalarkaSen @none @MikeMiller there are no nontrivial finite-dimensional linear representations of $\mathrm{Homeo}^+(S^1)$ with coefficients in any field.
Proof: $\mathrm{Homeo}^+(S^1)$ is simple (cf. https://math.unice.fr/~emiliton/cerclesursurfaces.pdf), thus any nontrivial representation is faithful.
But $\mathrm{Homeo}^+(S^1)$ contains as a subgroup the Thompson group $F$ (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_groups) which violates the Tits alternative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tits_alternative), so $F$ can't be embedded into a general linear group
@MatheinBoulomenos Wow, nice. I should have known to use that fact.
@MatheinBoulomenos Holy shit, amazing
If you want this to be a continuous representation, you don't need to appeal to the Tits alternative, though: this follows from invariance of domain.
Probably you can massage that to be elementary.
Homeo^+(S^1) is an infinite-dimensional Banach manifold, or something
Why is Homeo^+(S^1) simple? I suppose if N is normal, and f \in N then N must contain all the homeomorphisms of rotation number rho(f)
And consequently all homeomorphisms of rotation number n*rho(f) mod 1, for n \in Z
What next?
I don't think it's an easy proof
Note that this implies perfect, and that's an interesting geometric statement
The statement should be in Ghys
19:41
Hm, I see
I think the content is a "fracture lemma" which says given an open cover, you may write every homeomorphism as a product of terms which are supported in each chart in the open cover
But I forget how to use it
My mental image is that if I have N containing all the rotations by rational angles, then N should be dense in Homeo^+(S^1) but I may be wrong
@Eran Easier. Try $A_4$, similar idea. (Do you know that $A_4$ is the group of symmetries of a regular tetrahedron? That helps see the elements and subgroups a bit.)
Can I not think about rotation by an irrational angle as a limit of rotation by rational angles?
Is every homeo conjugate to some rotation? I should know this stuff, but I don't.
19:48
Yes.
Wait, no, semiconjugate
Interesting, thinking of an element of infinite order as a limit of ones of finite order ...
Every diffeomorphism is conjugate to some rotation. You have to deal with the Denjoy homeomorphism
Which has a minimal Cantor set
I vaguely remembered something bad from my dynamical systems experience 44 years ago
So maybe replace Homeo by Diffeo everywhere I said it
Oh.
Interesting, mappings that are $C^\infty$ close can have wildly different orbit structures. Sounds very non-stable.
19:53
Mather intensifies
OK, back later ...
20:08
@TedShifrin Yeah, it works. but my question is, is my counter example correct? thanks
btw, I love your lectures they helped me so much!
@Eran: Sure, your example is fine. But my suggestion doesn't need you to appeal to any big theorems. You can see bare-hands that there's no subgroup of order $6$ in $A_4$.
20:24
Hi @Ted @Balarka
Hi @Alessandro
We started talking about hyperbolic spaces today in GGT. They're pretty weird
Actual $\Bbb H^n$ or Gromov hyperbolicity?
20:28
I think, is it the one with $\delta$-slim triangles? The lecturer didn't mention Gromov
Yeah, same thing
20:51
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Q: As a math software user, what would you change about this design of a logical diagram rule framework?

Roll up and smoke AdjointHere is a sketch of a start of a definition of category. It uses definitions found in set so we import that. In that file you'll find $\text{cat} \ \textbf{Set}$ defined and all the basic set operations. Anytime you compile a diagram and a Node is titled "Definition:..." then that triggers an ...

Roll up kids
and smoke
adjoints
Hyperbolic spaces are cool
I have a feeling your opinion might be slightly biased
So you think his opinion might be hyperbole
polytope problem of the day: I start with a convex hull in R^n and intersect with an affine subspace. the result will itself be a convex hull. My task: figure out how to relate (computationally) the vertices of the new convex hull to those of the old
20:57
Completely unrelated but I answered a set theory question on MSE yesterday and the same question is in this week problem set (which was published today)
The new vertices should be convex combinations of the old, of course. But it's not clear what I can say beyond that
There is a paper, I think it is called Recognizing hyperbolic 3-manifolds or something like that, and towards the beginning it has a section on hyperbolic spaces and like 25 or so lemmas listed, then they prove the 25 lemmas. Working through them as exercises should give you a pretty good intuition for many aspects of hyperbolic spaces @AlessandroCodenotti
Groves, Manning, Wilton?
Cannon and E. L. Swenson, Recognizing constant curvature discrete groups in dimension 3.
That's the second time this week that someone suggests me to read something by Cannon, I guess I really should
21:04
What was the other thing? Combinatorial Riemann mapping theorem?
Ah wild topology stuff
Yes, if you're familiar with it and have references to suggest I'd be very happy to hear about it
I am not, I know a a pretty big group of people at BYU work with that stuff(same place Cannon was at)
Balarka was probably talking about On the fundamental groups of one-dimensional spaces
Greg Connor their does more work with this sort of thing
ALthough I don't know how expository it is
J. W. Cannon and G. R. Conner, The big fundamental group, big Hawaiian earrings,
and the big free groups,

J. W. Cannon and G. R. Conner, The combinatorial structure of the Hawaiian earring
group
Are some other possibilities
Thanks, I'll check those out!
21:18
simpler question which I'm realizing is all I actually want: Suppose I've got the n-simplex in R^n. Then any point in the interior of the hull can be written uniquely as a convex combination of the n vertices.
However, if I add and extend the hull to contain this point, then there will be no unique convex combination
I'm trying to figure out how to make that idea more precise: given a point in a convex hull, characterize the convex combinations of the vertices which generate this point
@AlessandroCodenotti The On the fundamental groups of one-dimensional spaces has a cool example of two contractible spaces whose wedge (glue at a point) is not contractible. (I feel like I have mentioned this to you before...)
That's the cone over the Hawaiian earring I guess?
Isn't that the cone on - blah
Either you or Balarka (or both) have mentioned it before
21:28
@BalarkaSen Too slow
You have weird loops which alternates between the two copies of the earring in the base
Cool example though(although apparently it was originally in the combinatorial paper, didn't know where it first appeared)
@AlessandroCodenotti In my defense I am writing a pretty long winded answer in MSE!
The effort you put in the answer and its length are inversely related to the upvotes you'll get
True :(
21:32
This paper by Shelah which was in the references for On the fundamental groups of one-dimensional spaces looks very interesting too
I think the HE group also satisfy some automatic continuity conditions too
That is cool
I have at least one answer where I have no idea why it has "so many" votes
I answered a question called "Generalized graph theory"
Oh, I see, I looked it up
Yah, it isn't the type of answer that I would think would get so many votes (also the question got more votes than I would expect). Although maybe a lot more people are interested in combinatorics/graph theory than I expected and just every question is like that...
21:54
Can someone quickly verify given points A(3;1;-4) C(-4;-6;3) , what vector AC would be?
Do you mean: The vector which points from point A to point C?
I can't remember the standard convention myself tbh (whether it's from A to C or from C to A)
What do you think AC should be?
theoreticaly, shouldn't it be (c1-a1,c2-a2,c3-a3)
21:59
so (-7,-7,-1) ?
3 - (-4) = ?
:)
happens
(-7,-7,7)
there you go
22:00
thanks
@BalarkaSen looks at highest voted answers... you used to be a series nerd :P
Shh
I actually deleted a lot of my series answers from past
because fuck those
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Guys quick question: I have a piecewise function not continuous at x but differentiable at x, does the derivative exist?
@S.. The setup as you've described it is impossible.
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@Fargle lol sorry, don't worry I just figured it out; thanks
22:12
No problem
guys
are the rationals dense over the rationals?
22:32
@mathsresearcher What is your definition of density?
Done, finally
:0 nerds
@Daminark I just realized your icon is a thonk thing.
^ man of culture
Daminark is a thonker par excellence
22:41
@BalarkaSen Finally someone notices.
22:56
I'm trying to think of a group where Z(G) doesn't contain [G,G] (commutator subgroup) and [G,G] doesn't contain Z(G)
My immediate inclination is to take the direct product of a group with trivial center (e.g. free group) and an abelian group
@BalarkaSen I just realized your icon is a Zdzisław Beksiński thing.
@TedShifrin @BalarkaSen The statements regarding conjugations are as follows.

1. Any orientation-preserving homeomorphism of $S^1$ (call this a circle map) with irrational rotation number $\rho$ is semi-conjugated to a rotation of angle $\rho$.

1. Let $f$ be a $C^2$ circle map with an irrational rotation number $\rho$, then $f$ is conjugated to the rotation of angle $\rho$.

2. There exists a $C^1$ circle map which is not conjugate to any rotation (Denjoy counterexample).
@MatheinBoulomenos thank you for your proof regarding the nonexistence of representations. It's too high powered for me for sure, but I'll keep it in mind for the future.
23:26
Hello @CaptainAmerica16 how did you do for that book project?
@JasperLoy Jasper! I was wondering how you were doing. I got a 95% :D
@CaptainAmerica16 Oh good for you. Good night!
@JasperLoy Good night :)
hi @CaptainAmerica
@TedShifrin Hey
23:31
I won't even ask how many limbs you've burned or severed. How's math going?
Hi @Jasper
It's not worth mentioning anymore, I literally cut my hand on a spoon trying to get ice cream.
rolls 23 + $\pi/4$ eyes
lol
Math has been going well, I found out about integration theory today.
I'm talking in my AoPS class on Sunday about upper and lower sums (it's not in their course, but I'm doing it anyhow).
I would send you my homeworks and stuff, but you have plenty to keep you occupied.
>:|
You're right though.
23:34
I'm only right twice a year. I shouldn't waste it.
XD
I looked into that a little bit when I was trying to understand what an integral was.
I talked to a boy genius today.
he's going through bloch's book on analysis and proving every theorem. He showed me his paper so far and it was pretty awesome.
Wow ... Is he at your school?
Maybe you and he can talk about interesting Spivak stuff together (when you get farther).
No, it was on Discord. He live a few hours away from me.
Ah.
Well, still, good to have smart people to talk about math with. Rather than people like me who make jokes about burnt and missing limbs.
It's ok, you're the only one who cares about my struggle anymore ;-;
kind of
My mom doesn't listen and I'm too old to cry.
23:41
Yeah, you need to take a deep breath and get control. But I've said that before.
I try, everything is so crazy every day. My little brother broke my headphones today right after I gave him a hug because he was crying.
I couldn't do a thing about it because he doesn't understand anything.
He didn't do it on porpoise. Just try not to leave things in places where they can befall mischief (or you).
I'm actually glad I have a brother, he made me realize I don't ever want children :D
That sounded mean.
Ted, is it hard to get professor positions?
ears perk up
(Hey everyone!)
Hi Demonark
23:48
A thonker has appeared.
It seems to be getting more difficult, CaptainAmerica, as more and more colleges and universities use adjuncts (cuz they're cheap).
What does conv mean here?
Immediate guess is convex hull
Ah! Correct.
I don't know why, but I feel like 2. should be straight forward.
shrieks and runs away from measure theory
23:59
Isn't $f_n\to f$ a.e on $\Omega$ and $\|f_n-f\|_1\to0$ kind of the same thing?

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