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11:05 PM
Congrats to @C.M.Weimer on being the first to pass 1k!
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Thank you, @HDE226868. I'm fumbling around the moderator tools now, but there doesn't seem to be anything new I can do (aside from some stuff with tags). Everything else is contentless. Maybe that's a good thing?
 
@C.M.Weimer That stuff isn't really helpful; I've never understood what they mean by "access reports".
2k is the good stuff - then the rep goes up if/when we go public, and it's 4k.
 
Ah, I see.
 
@C.M.Weimer Probably the main thing for now is that you're able to vote to delete closed questions. The reports will be more useful once we have more content getting closed and deleted, i.e., once we're in public beta.
 
I see. Speaking of which, there are a couple questions that need meta attention on account of votes to close.
 
11:20 PM
@C.M.Weimer Which ones? I haven't seen much of the site in the past day.
 
Someone attempted to close this one and I cannot figure out why: latin.stackexchange.com/questions/238/…
And only has three upvotes, which is paltry at this stage (and I assume must mean it got downvotes).
 
@JoelDerfner Do you put accents on your Latin words because you prefer them, or because you just don't like dealing with macrons?
@C.M.Weimer You can see if it got downvotes by double clicking the score
(it has one)
 
@Nathaniel Single click is enough, actually.
 
Why yes, yes it is
 
11:23 PM
Why, there we go! Learned something new today.
 
The accents are actually apices: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_%28diacritic%29 .
I find them helpful because they indicate vowel length rather than syllable weight.
 
@JoelDerfner So it is intentional? I’ll then only edit the wrong ones.
@JoelDerfner Same as macrons, then.
 
Ah, no—
e.g. hīc is a heavy syllable with a short vowel; the macron comes because it used to be, if I remember correctly, hīcce. (It's been a while since I thought about this stuff; hang on and I can go get my notes.)
 
@JoelDerfner Well, I wouldn’t put a macron on hic (nominative) either. Locative is a different matter, of course.
 
Ah, wait, yes, I remember now.
Basically, the idea is two-fold:
First, the Romans actually used apices (Quintilian even talks about them being required in certain circumstances).
Second, since macrons are used in poetry to mark heavy syllables, whether the vowels are short or long, using them also to mark long vowels gives rise very, very easily to confusion (there are definitely some places in Lewis & Short where short vowels that are long by position in poetry are identified as long vowels).
Using apices keeps vowel length and syllable weight separate, thereby (ideally) preventing confusion.
Except when I forget that imprimere is only short vowels, for example. :)
The guy I learned this from had a very persuasive document about it, which of course I can't find.
If I come across it I'll let you know.
 
11:46 PM
I view apices like I do the 'j' for consonantal i - potentially useful, but weird to look at and only used by a small minority, which leads to confusion.
Joel, are you a member of the NYCC?
 
@C.M.Weimer I agree, in particular since the acute accent is also used for indicating ictus and, sometimes, the natural word accent.
 
I'm not a member of the NYCC, but I also use consonantal j!
Are you, @C.M.Weimer, a member?
 
nominally
when I remember to pay my dues.
 
HA!
Any chance you're a member of Paideia?
 
They don't send out reminders, so sometimes it slips right by.
I am not, but I am familiar with some of the folks there.
 
11:55 PM
How improvident of them.
@Q
@QPaysTaxes, we were just discussing that question.
Read from a little further back in the thread.
@C.M.Weimer, I went to their spoken Latin conference a couple weekends ago and had a blast.
 
30 mins ago, by chirlu
@JoelDerfner So it is intentional? I’ll then only edit the wrong ones.
 
Was Matt McGowan there?
 
In any case, the séd is wrong.
 
@QPaysTaxes The summary is: they're apices rather than macrons (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_(diacritic)) and they're on purpose. Imagine that they're macrons and then get rid of the ones that are wrong.
Like séd. I went a little apex-happy.
On the other hand, this brings up a question:
 
I think it's something that should be left up to the individual, but we can have a meta discussion on it before anyone takes any more action.
 
11:58 PM
if folks as knowledgeable as you were thrown by the apices, should we just say that we should standardize long vowels with macrons?
I'll post a meta question.
 

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