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12:05 AM
Does every Banach manifold (or just open set in a Banach space) admit a complete metric?
 
Aren't the complete-metrizable subsets of a complete metric space the $G_\sigma$ subsets or something like that? (which implies that the answer is yes)
I think I remember something like that
 
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Q: Open subsets of a complete metric space.

joshI've been going over previous exams, and I came across a question that I missed. It is as follows: Let $X$ be a complete metric space. Show that every open subset of $X$ is homeomorphic to a complete metric space. I am having difficulty showing this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This seems to answer the open case
not sure about the general case.
 
In mathematics, a completely metrizable space (metrically topologically complete space) is a topological space (X, T) for which there exists at least one metric d on X such that (X, d) is a complete metric space and d induces the topology T. The term topologically complete space is employed by some authors as a synonym for completely metrizable space, but sometimes also used for other classes of topological spaces, like completely uniformizable spaces or Čech-complete spaces. == Difference between complete metric space and completely metrizable space == The difference between completely metrizable...
 
12:20 AM
G_\delta makes a lot more sense than F_\sigma
since \Bbb Q is F_\sigma
 
oh yeah, I wrote nonsense with $G_\sigma$ there
I meant $G_\delta$
Related question, I wonder how one proves that a metrizable space is compact iff every metric inducing the topology is complete
that's an exercise in a German general topology book I have
I think it's a cool reult
Maybe the idea is to embed a non-compact space as a non-closed subset of some complete metric space
 
If any number multiplied by zero equals zero, then shouldn't zero divided by zero equal every number?
 
you probably just take some non-bounded positive function f:X \to \Bbb R and add f to the metric
and that gives a non-complete structure
assuming the original metric was complete.
 
I'm off to sleep
 
12:33 AM
cya guys :)
 
that doesn't work
 
Jenna no
 
cya
 
good night @lush
 
@robjohn: It appears I'll be going to LA (despite my health woes). If I can figure out how to park and find you (:)) I'm happy to meet up for lunch or after lunch for coffee. I'm staying somewhere in the valley (eastward, I think).
BTW, any ideas on this? I constructed a stupidly wrong counterexample, but now I'm not sure if I believe it or not.
 
12:37 AM
@JennaSloan Any number multipled by zero equals zero is the reason why division by zero is undefined. In the set of real numbers :-)
 
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Q: Proof that the Trace of a Matrix is the sum of its Eigenvalues

JohnKI have looked extensively for a proof on the internet but all of them were too obscure. I would appreciate if someone could lay out a simple proof for this important result. Thank you.

 
@MikeMiller Hey, do you know what exactly Besse means by $\ker P^*$ in Appendix 32? Somehow they jumped from $W^{k,2}$ in 31 to $W^{k,p}$ on 32 which doesn't really make sense to me.
 
@TedShifrin wicked awesome proof
 
Especially when $p<1$, I don't expect the $p=2$ result to give much, if anything.
Well, I guess $\ker P^*\subset C^\infty$...
so it doesn't depend on which bundle you define $P$ on to begin with.
 
\\shrug
//shrug
 
12:52 AM
Is zero even a real number? Or is it more of a concept, like infinity?
@Pseudohuman is zero real?
 
@JennaSloan 0 is a real number
 
1:05 AM
The negative numbers are also "real numbers" @JennaSloan
 
@skullpatrol I haven't seen a negative number in the night sky
 
I think only the numbers $\{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,42\}$ are real
everything else is made up
 
If the temperature was below zero you would feel the effect of them :P @0celo7
 
use the Kelvin scale
 
Negative Kelvin does exist.
 
1:09 AM
^
though that more reflects the way temperature is defined in statistical mechanics
 
Crap
The answer I need is in Hormander
 
usually, increasing the internal energy of a gas goes hand-in-hand with increasing its entropy
 
I am throwing basically the entirety of linear elliptic theory at this problem
 
@0celo7 sounds fun
 
but you can definitely find examples where putting more energy into a system makes it more ordered, and when that happens you'll get negative temperatures
 
1:11 AM
that's weird
I have no idea how temperatures work
 
ironically some of the best answers are in physics-y books because GR people worry about sobolev regularity metrics
 
or any physics for that matter
 
you need to use the fact that certain Sobolev spaces are Banach algebras
$W^{s,p}$ is an algebra if $s>n/p$
 
@0celo7 hooray, we have rings!
 
@MatheinBoulomenos So I've got rings whose projective limit is $C^\infty$
suddenly I don't like PDE as much
 
1:13 AM
sounds more fun to me
 
@MatheinBoulomenos in stat mech $T=\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}\right)_{V}$ where $U$ is the internal energy of the gas, $S$ is the entropy, and $V$ is the volume which is held fixed
 
yeah, I have no idea what entropy is
something something order
 
ok, physicist
why would you use $u\otimes v$ when you clearly mean $uv$
 
context?
 
1:15 AM
why the hell should $u\otimes v$ be the pointwise product
@Semiclassical nonlinear PDE
 
Didn't you guys record a copy of your live-stream on YouTube? @Semiclassical
 
gotta label it somehow, I guess?
@skullpatrol I don't know if they do. I think maybe they don't, which is annoying
 
I bet you didn't rush the stage
 
The man has future grant proposals to think about :P
 
1:47 AM
Any discrete fans here?
 
maybe
 
I'm a continuous fan, myself.
 
I'm trying to show that if $G$ is Hamiltonian with $n$ vertices then $G\square K_{1,m}$ is Hamiltonian $\Rightarrow n\geq m$, but I think I just got it actually
 
2:05 AM
If $n<m$, and there were a hamiltonian cycle, for every clone of $G$ in that graph, the cycle would have to reach it. This involves using at least two edges which intersect the "inner" copy of $G$: an edge which leaves and an edge which returns.
But this implies that there are, at least, $2m$ edges which are incedent to vertices in $G$
hence there is a vertex that is incident to three edges of the Hamiltonian cycle, contradiction
 
what's an example of an infinite subset of $R^{2}$ with no accumulation points?
I'm thinking the set of natural numbers, but that's only in R
$R^2$ is like a 2D plane. I know I sound silly x_X!
 
natural numbers works
 
Why not $\mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}$?
of course, the natural numbers, realized as $\mathbb{N} \times \{0\}$ also gets the job done
@Prototank That looks like graph theory, which is something that I don't know very well; I probably cannot help you.
 
I'm not a fan
I am taking it for credits... sometimes it is interesting and relevant to what I care about (LDT)
 
off the top of my head, I don't recall what a Hamiltonian path is (it visits every vertex?), and I have no idea what your $\square$ operation is
 
2:11 AM
you got it
$\square$ is the analogue of direct product for topological spaces
 
topological spaces are so hard X_X!
 
so for each vertex in $A$ clone $B$
 
^ what I think when people talk about being fans
 
understandable
 
I am going to go see if I can find a couple of ice cubes
a troika of olives
some vermouth
and a bit of gin
 
2:14 AM
Xander what do you study?
 
since I know where to find a glass and shaker...
 
I'm a gin person myself
 
@Prototank I do fractal geometry
 
I never tried gin
 
never?
 
2:15 AM
That sounds like a newer field
am I wrong?
 
@MatheinBoulomenos mathein :D
 
can I invite you to a room for a sec ? :D
 
yeeey :D
 
2:17 AM
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Q: A collection of most of the properties about a linear operator and its trace.

Faust${\bf Problem }$ If $A$ is a square matrix, we define the trace of A, $tr(A)$, to be the sum of the diagonal entries of $A$. Let V be a finite dimensional vector space over $\Bbb C$ , with $\dim(V ) = n \geq 1$, and let $T \in L(V )$. We define the trace of T by $tr(T) = tr([T]_{\alpha}^{\alpha}...

 
fractal geometry? well, I suppose that it has deep roots, but didn't really get of the ground until Mandelbrot started publishing in the late 70s or early 80s
 
anyone mind trying to help me land the finishing blow on this proof?
son of a b**** turned into a bloody story trying to prove it
every time i turned around i needed to prove some new result to move forward
 
What is the Pythagorean theorem of fractal geometry?
 
So... fun fact: the Dirichlet kernel $D_N$ is, like, bounded below by $C \log(N)$, where $C$ is a constant
@skullpatrol I'm not sure what you mean by "the Pythagorean theorem of fractal geometry"
if you mean "most fundamental result", I would suggest that Hutchinson's 1981 paper has a couple of theorems which might qualify
 
Yup
 
2:22 AM
for instance, the existence and uniqueness of the attractor of a contractive iterated function system might qualify
 
The Pythagoras tree is a plane fractal constructed from squares. Invented by the Dutch mathematics teacher Albert E. Bosman in 1942, it is named after the ancient Greek mathematician Pythagoras because each triple of touching squares encloses a right triangle, in a configuration traditionally used to depict the Pythagorean theorem. If the largest square has a size of L × L, the entire Pythagoras tree fits snugly inside a box of size 6L × 4L. The finer details of the tree resemble the Lévy C curve. == Construction == The construction of the Pythagoras tree begins with a square. Upon this square...
Not that^
 
(though that is actually a fairly easy consequence of the Banach fixed point theorem, once you know that the space of compact metric spaces is a complete metric space with respect to the Gromov-Hausdorff distance)
the Moran equation giving the Hausdorff dimension of the attractor of a self-similar iterated function system satisfying the open set condition is pretty fundamental, too
 
hmm, interesting
 
2:41 AM
What is a good example of A sequence of closed sets $\{F_{n} \}$ such that their union is not closed. Like I need closed intervals maybe like $[ \frac{-1}{n},n} ]$ and $ [ \frac{1}{n},n} ]$ and then the union is not closed
sigh
$[\frac{-1}{n},n ]$
$[\frac{1}{n},n]$
 
$F_n := \left[ \frac{1}{n}, 1 - \frac{1}{n} \right]$
each set is closed, the union is $(0,1)$
in your example, the union is $(0,\infty)$
which is also not closed
at least, if you take $F_n = [1/n, n]$
with $[-1/n,n]$, the union is $[-1,\infty)$
which is closed
 
bleh
I count myself as "pretty good at mathematica" but NDSolve kicks my ass
 
I count myself as "Mathematica? Who's that?", so NDSolve is like some kind of voodoo black magic
 
so if I take those two sequences separately then the union will go from 0 to infinity?
 
uh... what?
no
 
2:48 AM
like just have $ [ \frac{1}{n}, n]$ like n can't be zero for it's undefined on the fraction
 
$\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} \left[ -\frac{1}{n},n \right] = [-1,\infty)$
 
I'll admit I mostly use NDSolve as a black box
 
but $\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} \left[ \frac{1}{n}, n \right] = (0,\infty)$
 
but it's precisely because the documentation for it is such a pain in the butt
 
OH! that guy .
maybe I should take both $[\frac{1}{n},n]$ since the union is open but the sequence is closed
 
2:50 AM
but I think that the more natural example is something like $\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} \left[\frac{1}{n}, 1\right] = (0,1]$
 
I think my smudgy mirror reflects badly on me
 
or more pathologically $\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} \left[\frac{1}{n}, \frac{n-1}{n} \right] = (0,1)$
@AkivaWeinberger Your bad puns reflect poorly on you. :(
Q: What is the difference between a hippo and a Zippo?
A: One is quite heavy, the other is a little lighter.
 
I love fast food
 
Does deer count as fast food
'cause they are quite good runners
 
Yes, but antelope is faster.
I think that I am going to go to bed soon...
 
2:58 AM
My brother wrote a new script, by the way
Set in space, called Drift Off
After a mysterious catastrophe happens to the Earth, our protagonists aboard an orbiting space station receive a message coming from above.
It was pretty good
 
trying to prove that if the nth hadamard exponential of a matrix A is equal to A^n for every n, then n is diagonal.
i have intuition that matrix exponentials can come to the rescue, but i'm drawing blanks. any ideas?
In mathematics, the matrix exponential is a matrix function on square matrices analogous to the ordinary exponential function. It is used to solve systems of linear differential equations. In the theory of Lie groups, the matrix exponential gives the connection between a matrix Lie algebra and the corresponding Lie group. Let X be an n×n real or complex matrix. The exponential of X, denoted by eX or exp(X), is the n×n matrix given by the power series e X = ∑ k ...
 
matrix exponential is not necessarily the same as Hadamard exponential, so that doesn't tell us much
 
i'm not stating they are. the broken part of me wants to raise e^tA, and start taking derivatives d/dt
 
oh for the love of christ
this operator isn't smooooooooth
who knows what it does
 
oh, and so lets rephrase -- Let A be n x n. and for the power up there let's use the letter k, instead of n
ohkay, caaaaalm down. i'm just saying what i want to do, not what i'm doing
hence the broken part of me
 
3:08 AM
i think he's talking about his own stuff
 
oh. carry on
 
my point is that most of us probably don't know what the hadamard exponential is off the top of our heads. it seems to be $(A^{\circ n})_{jk}=(A_{jk})^n$
i.e. entry-wise exponentiation
I think this problem showed up here over the summer
 
yes, the entry-wise exponentiation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadamard_product_(matrices)
 
I'm linearizing at a non-smooth metric so I don't know if the result is a $\psi$do
 
yikes
 
3:12 AM
You don't know if the result is a phido?
 
pseudo differential operator
 
perhaps. it appeared on my final last semester as extra credit. it was the most interesting problem on there. alas, i gave up at 2 am and went to sleep instead. but its been sitting in the back of my head ever since
 
is your $\psi$d sense not tingling, then
 
the definition of psidos is so awful that I don't have a sense
there's like 5 rules for getting them
that's all I know
 
Oh, psi, not phi
Stupid Greek letters
Theoretically if I actually spoke this language it would be easier
 
3:14 AM
@JoeShmo well, i found where it shows up in the chat log. but i can't find if the person figured it out later
 
I did have a paper by berger that might help
where did it go
yeah there's no way this is actually a psido
that means I need to get out Gilbarg and Trudinger, and sacrifice a goat to Morrey and Atiyah
 
Η ελληνική γλώσσα είναι μία από τις ινδοευρωπαϊκές γλώσσες.
This is all Greek to me
 
i'm guessing that the latter should involve walking around in a circle a specific number of times
 
idget it
 
The greek language is one of the indogermanic languages?
I only know classical greak, but that' easy enough
 
3:18 AM
yeah, it's not a great line. reference to Atiyah's index theorem
 
Indo-European, I think
 
yeah I was going to name my firstborn Fredholm as an offering
 
Oh right
 
no, no. second-born
gotta be the Fredholm alternative
 
lmao
 
3:20 AM
Off topic, but it's strange that Greek, Cyrillic, and Latin are essentially the only alphabets with case systems
(And some Caucasian things I think but they're small)
Upper and lower case is just a really weird idea I guess
 
maybe this legendary paper has the answers I seek
The problem with this stuff is it's at the intersection of topology and analysis and topologists don't really like correct arguments.
2
 
just wanted to ask a quick combinatorics question
 
Go ahead
 
if there is a lottery in which there is a set of numbers N {0, 1, ..., 20}
and 4 numbers are drawn and sorted in ascending order
let's call the winning ticket 4-8-15-19
what is the probability that exactly two of the correct numbers will be chosen
 
Hm well I guess one thing we might do is ask what are the odds that we choose 4 and 8 and not 15 and not 19
 
3:24 AM
Yeah. You really need the kernel of the adjoint to be finite-dimensional for this to work. That only makes sense if it consists of smooth metrics.
 
and then the result would be 6 (four choose two) times that
 
my reasoning is nCr(4,2) for the two numbers that are correct, times (20 - 2 - 1) for the numbers of one wrong number, times (20 - 3 - 1) for the other wrong number
divided over the total number of combos of course which is nCr(20, 4) but that's wrong
 
I think you overcounted by a factor of two
 
how so
 
Also why 20-2-1 and 20-3-1
But I said overcounting by two because the numbers you choose in those two choices could have been chosen in either order
 
3:27 AM
because there are 20 numbers 2 which have been selected and one that is right, same for the other
there is no replacement, forgot to mention
 
But why 20-2-1 instead of 20-2
 
because one is correct
 
Also, actually, there are 21 elements of {0,1,…,20} 'cause of the zero
 
my bad the set is {1, ..., 20}
so just 20
 
Oh I see
Yeah but actually it should be 20-2-2 because, say if your ticket has 4 and 8 and doesn't have 15 or 19
When you choose that third thing on the ticket, it can't be 4, 8, 15, or 19
And then the fourth thing can't be 4, 8, 15, 19, or the thing you chose for the third thing
 
3:30 AM
yes but it could be 4 -8-8-15
 
and then divide by two because the third and fourth things could have been selected in either order
 
and that would satisfy
 
@MalikBrahimi I thought you couldn't do repeats
 
4-8-9-15****
typo
 
Oh, really, I interpreted it as saying that exactly two of the things on your ticket should be numbers on the winning ticket, ignoring order
Ignoring position
 
3:31 AM
no because a ticket is drawn and then sorted in order
 
Hm
And note that something like 4-8-21-15 is impossible 'cause of the sorting then
I would actually email the teacher asking if 4-8-9-15 is allowed because it seems ambiguous to me
 
21 isn't in the set
Yes it's allowed
 
21 savage
 
Er, 4-8-19-15 I meant
 
3:33 AM
Wait hold on
4-8-16-15 I meant
 
not allowed
 
I meant allowed
because it would be sorted
same thing as 4-8-16-15
 
But if you sort it it would be 4-8-15-16 and then that's three things matching, not two
so it doesn't work
 
oh thank god, the L^p esimtates are true
woot
 
3:35 AM
oh my b forgot
yeah not allowed
anything when sorted that yields more or less than 2 slots right is not allowed
 
Right so this seems annoying 'cause you have to pay attention to that
I think I'm gonna go to bed soon though
Maybe post on the main
 
ah okay thanks for your help tho
 
[main]
Whoops
There we go
 
thanks
 
@Semiclassical oh well
ill think some more
@0celo7 on page 69 (pdf page 75) in math.cornell.edu/~sjamaar/manifolds/manifold.pdf
 
3:41 AM
what aboot it
 
towards the end of the page he says "...for j < i, they are independent of t_(i-1)". Why?
 
@0celo7 "This argument is topologically equivalent to a proof."
 
@Semiclassical Yeah, they say something like "the argument is correct enough that it can be fixed"
like, whut
why not just write it correctly
 
whats the fun in that
 
because life's too short
 
3:43 AM
i'm gonna use that line on all of my assignments from now on. great line.
 
@Semiclassical so what I'm looking at right now is not obviously fixable without going deep into the elliptic theory again
 
There exists a continuous deformation of the proof i give, to the correct proof. I.e. they belong in the same equivalence class. I.e. my proof is equivalent to the correct proof. I.e. my proof is correct.
 
It's really not obviously fixable at all, damn.
@JoeShmo I dunno what the definitions of these things are
 
wak wak wak :(
alrighty
 
like $c_{i,0}$ etc.
are those the faces of the cube?
 
3:47 AM
c is a continuous deformation of a k-cube
so WLOG, c is a k-cube
a k-chain is a linear combination of k-cubes
c_(i,0) is a face of the cube, yes.
so if c: (t1, ..., tn) -> c(t1, ..., tn), c_(i,0): (t1, ..., t(i-1), 0, t_(i+1), ..., n) -> c(t1, ..., t(i-1), 0, t_(i+1), ..., n)
its a degenerate k-cube
 
0
A: Direct sum iff $S_a\cap S_b=\{0\}$

FaustYour answer for a) appears to be correct For b) the answer is no here is a counter example: Consider $X= \Bbb R^2 $ let $S_1= (x,x) $ and $S_2 = (y,0)$ and $S_3 = ( 0,z ) $ where $x,y,z \in \Bbb R $ Clearly any pair of them has trivial intersection but i think its clear that $S_2 \oplus S_3= ...

 
presumably that face doesn't depend on that component of t for reasons
did you consider that
 
what reasons
 
can anyone explain to me why that question poped up at the top when i clicked linear algebra?
 
j < i
so it doesn't appear as an argument
 
3:50 AM
i didnt realize until i answered it but its over a year old
 
im not following. he's not really explaining himself either. it's just a statement of fact
and i come to you for explanations
 
write down that $c_{j,0}(\mathbf t)$ is for $j<i$
 
it's just 0 in the jth spot
 
well ignore that argument
isn't it clear from the definition that $c_{j,0}$ is degenerate?
it doesn't depend on the $j$-th slot, so it's degenerate
 
hehe degenerate is a funny word
 
3:58 AM
yes sure, but im trying to understand what he's saying
 

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