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9:00 PM
yeah i need to cut down
 
Astyx is an 86 year old retired French professor of computer science
he's not young anymore
 
i definitely want to make sure i finish reading the Bryant paper though
 
Damn it, I'm spotted
 
maybe I'll just stick to that + the GMT stuff with Neves for a while
 
I guess I have no choice but to leave
 
9:00 PM
I thought you had a decent disguise, though, when I met you, @Astyx.
 
Illusions, nothing but deception
 
did he have flashy spiders on his David Copperfield coat
 
It was too hot for coats.
 
I made it like halfway through before i said i was gonna verify the variational computation and never did
maybe ill do that this weekend
 
@Balarka Lol I remember when my "expertise" was put down as category theory and I was like, uw0tm8?
 
9:01 PM
never too hot for the illusive Cedric Villani apparently
@Daminark "You're a category theorist, Harry" - Hagrid
"U f***ing wut m8?" - Harry
 
I'm still surprised I was listed.
 
3 days and 3 months till I get to see Villani :O
 
Should've been "Fargle - asking and answering elementary questions in a field that could be answered by Google searches"
 
@SteamyRoot Will you ?
 
9:04 PM
Oh, I don't want to know if I had an "expertise."
 
"Everything except that one branch of math I forgot"
I think that was the answer for you, @Ted
 
It's not too far away if you want to attend :P
 
Oy, @Demonark.
 
@SteamyRoot I might if my school lets me :p But isn't he dealing with maths that you despise ?
(read : analysis)
 
"Epsilon is a variable used in analysis to measure how much you like it" @Astyx
 
9:06 PM
@Daminark I let $\varepsilon \to \infty$ :D
 
gulps
 
@EricSilva Your proofs must be weird.
 
@Astyx Well, yeah, it seems he's done a lot of stuff in a lot of areas, except the ones I'm interested in
But, still :P
 
@Daminark I actually took an $\epsilon \lt 0$ in my maths oral exam two days ago
 
Also, it's kind of mandatory for me to attend, I guess. It's my university after all.
 
9:07 PM
analysts don't have the crisp memes though tbh
 
I got into an interesting historical discussion with someone on main a few days ago. People think that Cauchy came up with epsilonics, but he really didn't. It was Bolzano and Weierstrass. There's apparently some erroneous math history publications.
Blasphemy, @Astyx. You didn't!
 
It was coincidental, it was meant to be positive at first, but then I had to treat the other case and it became negative (proving the Raabe-Duhamel rule)
 
I have actually never found any history of math publication that didn't have a bunch of errors (except for ones about math in antiquity, a lot of those are pretty good)
 
So you're done with exams now, @Astyx?
googles Raabe-Duhamel
 
@SteamyRoot My dad (who's a physicist) always makes fun of Villani cause he found a solution to the Landau equation that lasts $10^{-13}$ seconds or something, and is therefore completely useless
 
9:11 PM
oh, improved ratio test.
 
@Astyx Hehe
Well, at least he found a solution.
 
Not quite, I still have 3 exams for polytechnique this week (yup, on weekends), next week is ENS, and the week after that is Centrale (which I will probably not go to cause I'm sick and tired of it)
 
so these exams determine placement/credit if you matriculate?
 
And, $10^{-13}$ is still loads of orders of magnitudes above the Planck time. Therefore it's physically relevant and may be useful at some point :D
 
@EricSilva One professor at my university claims to have never read any math publication without a significant error.
 
9:12 PM
I take great pride in being careful, but I had a shocking error in probably my best (joint) paper.
 
@PVAL-inactive Then he is terrible at picking what to read
 
And a very subtle error in a not-so-good paper that Robert Bryant pointed out to me after the paper had been published. (Counterexample to my claim somewhere in E. Cartan, indeed.)
 
Most publications probably have errors of some kind, but not significant ones
 
@PVAL-inactive I don't think this is true at all.
 
@TedShifrin The exams allow each school to classify us and take the best. So the better you perform, the more schools you can get entrance to
 
9:13 PM
My shocking error was not significant — but it's still embarrassing.
Oh, @Astyx, but I thought you were already admitted to ENS and Polytechnique.
 
@SteamyRoot I'm not even sure it was $10^{-13}$, it might have been less
 
I mean lots of really great stuff has minor errors but i find it hard to believe that everything some reads has a significant error
maybe this professor has a much lower standard of what they deem "significant"
 
Not yet @TedShifrin, I'm confident enough for polytechnique since I've almost finished the exams, but I wont know anything till end of july
 
@EricSilva Or only reads stuff on viXra
 
ohhhh ....
 
9:14 PM
@Justwinbaby o/
 
lmao
 
lol vixra
 
@Tobias He has the kind of research record that would make it hard to believe he was reading the wrong things.
 
i saw something on viXra that looked like it had been done in ms paint
it was a claimed proof of the riemann hypothesis iirc
 
@EricSilva There are a lot of those there
 
9:15 PM
@Waiting o/
 
@EricSilva I saw a Fermat proof that looked like it would have been done better in Word.
 
lol
 
These were just speculations, but since I won't have much time to make a decision once I know the results (actually, coming to think of it I have to make a decision before the results are published), I'd prefer to take it now
 
I see, OK, Astyx.
Weird system.
 
I should try find the paper again that proves all of GRH, ABC and Goldbach.
 
9:16 PM
that sounds very stressful @Astyx
idk if i'd be able to deal with that sort of thing tbh
 
@EricSilva It is, but such is life
 
I would die a fiery death
 
@SteamyRoot Proof: let GRH, ABC, and Goldbach be axioms. QED.
 
@SteamyRoot That sounds like a job for T. M. Sow
 
well, Eric, you'll have to deal with something comparable when it comes to grad school admissions. Sometimes you have to stall and hope for a later decision on one you really want ...
 
9:17 PM
@TobiasKildetoft Yes, that was him!
 
i hope i get lucky like i did for university...
but i guess ill deal with that when the time comes
 
@SteamyRoot This one also looks like it could be fun to read except it is in French
 
@TobiasKildetoft Frenchmen killing the fun
 
tsk tsk tsk @France
 
9:19 PM
Nice pictures
 
At least vixra.org/abs/1702.0057 has a good title
 
this is my all time favorite
 
@Justwinbaby nice old times here are dead gone.
 
tfw a math paper references nabokov
 
9:20 PM
Yup @Waiting
 
Hmm, Eric. No answer from Mike Spivak. I dunno if the email address is dormant or dead or ...
 
hope he's ok :(
 
Yeah, I dunno. That was the ...
 
yeah
 
@Eric my favorite is dedicated to Nelson Mandela
 
9:22 PM
Poll: What do you guys call the theorem that tells you that the image of compact sets under real continuous functions is compact?
/do you have a name for it?
 
Most theorems haven't a name.
 
@Balarka i mean if you're gonna dedicate it to someone i guess that's a pretty good choice
 
i don't disagree. it's a nice tribute
 
@Daminark Astyx's theorem
 
@Daminark i mean, i wouldn't call it anything
 
9:23 PM
There. I made it to posterity.
 
I know it as extreme value theorem
Kek @Astyx
 
I agree, it's the max value theorem
 
I think I just call everything in that part of the textbook Heine-Borel.
 
No, you're both wrong.
 
Hi guys
 
9:24 PM
i would not call this the extreme value theorem
 
What you're suggesting is that it makes sense only for $\Bbb R$-valued functions. It's about mappings between topological spaces.
 
@Daminark Weierstrass theorem
 
real continuous function = $E \to \Bbb R$ ?
 
@Ted Daminark said it's a real function
 
9:24 PM
like sure that's like a special case but in general the idea of values being "Extreme" doesn't make sense
o rip then yeah that's fine
 
Oh. Bah.
 
geometers can't read
 
Crap does that make me a geometer?
 
Words? :P
 
So "Théorème des bornes" en français dans le texte
 
9:25 PM
:P
 
i think the implication goes one way
 
i can't write
i think that makes me Joyce
 
@BalarkaSen It's hard when you spend so much time distinguishing c from C.
 
Is that really a result of Weierstrass ? That surprises me a lot
 
@Balarka There's a difference between being able to write and one of your most famous works being garbage
 
9:26 PM
@Eric How dare you call Finnegans Wake garbage?
It's my saturday morning jam, bruh
 
i do not like finnegan's wake
it suuuuucks
 
1) there is no "Finnegan's". There is only "Finnegans"
2) it is awesome
 
@Alessandro: Do you have comments on this?
 
1) sure
2) no
i do really like ulysses tho
so it's not like i hate joyce
 
oh i know
i was kidding
 
9:28 PM
i feel like FW was a joke
 
I have to read Ulysses before I die
 
i could see him writing that as a joke
 
@Astyx dunno, we just call it like that, but plenty of theorems are named after the wrong person :P
 
Fair enough
 
I've heard "Gauss' theorem" was actually developed by somebody named Ostrogradsky or something?
 
9:30 PM
@EricSilva klikkaklakkaklaskaklopatzklatschabattacreppycrottygraddaghsemmihsammihnouithappl‌​‌​uddyappladdypkonpkot!
 
I think the Russians did it independently.
Or so they want to claim.
 
damn line break
 
Lel
 
ive heard it called ostrogadsky's theorem before
 
@TedShifrin I just learned what the Tietze extension theorem is, but it looks like it should extend to a rifht continuous function
 
9:31 PM
I just put a comment, @Alessandro. I believe that right-continuity means that the map $\Bbb R_\ell\to\Bbb R$ is continuous. Then it follows from normality of $\Bbb R_\ell$.
 
i usually see ostrogradsky for 3 dimensions only
not the general Gauss theorem
 
Usually, Gauss's Theorem or the Divergence Theorem is stated just in $\Bbb R^3$ unless you're in the context of Riemannian geometry.
 
@TedShifrin oh, right, that should work
 
Maybe I should make it an answer.
 
From Arnold's writings, I don't think he thought Hilbert had much to do with the independence of the parallel postulate.
 
9:32 PM
Eh, let's just call everything Stokes'ss''''s
 
Finally, someone's got the apostrophes correct.
 
Stoke's
 
ive heard people call it Gauss-Green in gmt
 
How do you say in maths terminology that matrix rank is locally increasing ?
 
9:33 PM
smacks Balarka hard
that's not true, @Astyx. It's lower semicontinuous.
 
"Stoke theorem"
 
totally stoked theorem
 
Or upper. One of those.
 
Nah but really I call it Stokes' theorem
 
@TedShifrin Until Eric starts saying Finnegans I'm going to be invoking the theorem of Stoke.
 
9:33 PM
lolol
 
That's what I meant
 
finnegan;s
 
I think syntax will drive me to retire from this room.
 
Smale gave a proof of Abel-Ruffini that Arnold claimed was known long before by Russians as well.
 
I mean, that answers my question
 
9:34 PM
You just have to decide which of lower and upper is correct.
 
@EricSilva In Sweden they use : for that
 
i'll just use a different symbol every time i write finnegan.s
 
@TedShifrin Is that a choice I have to make ? Or is there a standard convention ?
 
@Tobias for the semicolon?
 
LOL. There's a standard convention.
 
9:35 PM
@EricSilva For the '
 
oh woah
that's cool
 
When will you be officially out of retirement professor? @TedShifrin
 
And does locally increasing mean anything ? @Ted
 
I remember in Morocco, when people were writing French they'd use << for "
 
I'm still officially retired, skull. But I will start teaching in September (one day a week).
 
9:36 PM
Not sure if this is just a thing Morocco did because why not, or if it's actually a French thing
 
@Ted where?
at ucsd?
 
@Daminark It's a french thing
 
@Astyx: Offhand, that only makes sense to me with domain and range both ordered.
 
@Daminark it's not just a moroccan thing
damn sniped
 
no, no @PVAL ... Teaching for AoPS.
I probably could adjunct at UCSD if I really wanted to, but I don't.
 
9:37 PM
hi everyone
hi @TedShifrin
 
hi Karim.
 
You should teach a Freshman seminar thing
those are one day a week
I bet they'd let you teach one of those.
 
My experience doing that once at UGA was not wonderful.
 
Btw @TedShifrin I am just watching your lectures again. Again I love your teaching. You give the geometric intuition very nicely.
 
@EricSilva double sniped
 
9:38 PM
Thanks, Karim. You must truly be bored :D
 
2 days ago, by Balarka Sen
You will get this comment in the far future when you write "sniped"
 
Right. I meant that $\forall A\in M_n(\Bbb C), \exists \epsilon \gt 0, \forall M \in B(A, \epsilon), rk A \le rk M$ (norm topology)
 
@Balarka imagine if someone sniped you in quoting that comment
 
I did mine on ukulele.
 
I thought you weren't particularly fond of contest math, isn't that what most AoPS people do? @Ted
 
9:38 PM
@Daminark that would be uber-meta
 
@TedShifrin Yeah haha :D my professor is currently in research conference, so I will meet him next week. I decided to brush up on my foundation a bit.
 
I'm doing a precalculus course, @Alessandro. Hopefully calculus some year later. Or maybe abstract algebra or somethin' ...
 
Category theory maybe?
4
 
@Astyx: Increasing/decreasing doesn't make sense on a general domain.
Google semicontinuity and sort out which one it is. (I know the answer, but you should figure it out.)
 
I see, sounds nice. In 3 years the AoPS courses will be dominated by geometry. Misteriously.
 
9:40 PM
@Daminark your learning category theory ?
I have few suggestions
 
Ehh... Not really?? But sorta...
 
@TedShifrin It's lower if the french aren't too vicious
 
@Daminark The professor I talked about earlier was/is one of your hero's disciples.
 
@TedShifrin Make Category Theory Great Again
 
@Daminark Try the book by "Categories and sheaves" this is one of the most complete books on category theory.
 
9:40 PM
Adeek is the only person actually learning category theory
 
It also talks about sheaves which you meet in complex analysis
 
We could have learnt it too in the time we spent making fun of it :P
 
Like, Peter May talked a bit about categories, functors, adjoints, natural transformations, and I think he'll later talk a bit about model categories
 
Yup @Astyx.
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Yeah it is very useful for algebraic geometry.
 
9:41 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti Do we want to?
 
@SteamyRoot It was $10^{-43}$ seconds, so yeah, not that useful
@Ted Thanks
 
Ahaha, okay, yeah
That's only one order of magnitude over the planck time then
 
@BalarkaSen probably not
 
Anyway what I realized is category theory isn't real math it is a language in order to pack things in a better manner @AlessandroCodenotti
 
@Adeek That is how it started, but it has evolved into something to be studied in its own right
 
9:43 PM
People seem to like that Yoneda's lemma though.
 
More efficient I should say
 
I think there's actually theory in there though
Multi-snipe shooting...
 
I wouldn't say it's not real math
 
I don't know anything else category theory has produced.
 
Cue @Balarka
 
9:43 PM
@Daminark most of the theory is like basic I don't think there anything that is too deep in category theory.
 
@PVAL-inactive Higher category theory has been a tool at the heart of many big theorems now
 
@TobiasKildetoft Yeah
 
Shots fired :P
 
I guess by know I meant understand.
People are excited about all of Luries writings, but I certainly don't know whats going on in them.
 
@PVAL-inactive The thing I understand from Lurie is that we have triangulated categories which allows us to do geometry in a very abstract sense and what Lurie is doing is that he is providing a better frame work to doing geometry with $A_{\infty}$ categories which has better axioms than triangulated categories.
I don't know the specifics though
 
9:46 PM
I never read any of the stuff Lurie does. That is higher than I have dared go so far
 
That all sounds a bit like "we have abstracts things which allows us to do geometry abstractly, and we have further abstractions which is better than the abstractions already present"
 
@Adeek That seems contrary to my limited experience with these things.
 
but that's probably my failure; I really don't know much about this
 
abstract nonsense?
 
I suspect there are concrete, motivating reasons for the abstractions
 
9:49 PM
Symplectic manifolds come equipped with A_\infty categories pretty directly, but people then pass to the triangulated world when they do all the annoying algebra.
not that I understant the annoying algebra.
 
@BalarkaSen So there is this triangulated category which you could do homotopy theory then there is two ways to do geometry with this either you could do Balmer spectrum. Which is if you have tensor triangulated category you could build a topology out of the tensor product or a second way is to take the derived category of coherent sheaves
 
I am curious; how does A_\infty categories appear from symplectic manifolds?
 
and do geometry in the second way
derived category is inverting morphisms in the homotopy category.
 
Bye
 
@BalarkaSen Lagrangians are the objects and their intersections are the morphisms.
 
9:50 PM
bye
 
cya
 
See you!
 
@PVAL-inactive Ohh
 
@PVAL-inactive Yeah they take the homotopy category and do algebra in that category.
 
9:52 PM
I've seen and I think understood proves that various sets of Lagrangians form an Aoo category, but then people somehow yoga things into triangulated categories and do all sorts of magic.
 
Aoo? Is that just extremely lazy $A_{\infty}$ or is there an "Aoo category"?
 
The former
 
Kek
 
it's interesting to spell an Aoo category out loud
 
@PVAL-inactive do you know about symplectic manifolds ?
I would like just to get a basic picture of what are those things
I should do differential geometry properly from a book.
 
9:56 PM
I have multiple ways of picturing symplectic manifolds which aren't really equivalent.
The simplest symplectic manifolds are probably surfaces with area forms
 
oh I see
 
If one has a fiber-bundle over a surface, there is a simple homological characterization whether the symplectic structure lifts (due to Thurston)
 
the standard model is a cotangent bundle, Karim.
 
If one allows some "singularities" in this fiber bundle structure the examples become very rich topologically.
 
okay I see I have a mental picture of it.
 
10:04 PM
@Bob you're welcome. :-)
 
@Ted I think it's a rather remarkable fact for a given symplectic manifold to admit a closed exact Lagrangian at all, so in that sense the cotangent bundle is rather special.
 
Well, locally everyone's the same ...
 
That's why we're talking about exciting global properties, yeah?
 
I wasn't. :)
 
Gromov proved that $\Bbb R^{2n}$ has no closed exact Lagrangian, so the property that I mentioned about the cotangent bundle really is a global thing.
 
10:10 PM
Brb I am gonna go back to work cya everyone :)
 
See you!
Okay so Titchmarsh uses $(a,b)$ to mean the closed interval
>:(
 
No way
But there is the European (particularly French) convention that $]a,b[$ is how you write open intervals. I sort of like that, to distinguish from ordered pair.
 
that's a w f u l
 
Which one?
 
(the titchmarsh thing)
 
10:16 PM
He can't be right.
 
the $]a, b[$ ive actually seen a lot cause i had a european high school math teacher for 4 years
@Daminark where
 
It saves having to write $a\times b$ for an ordered pair.
 
i have titchmarsh
 
We just write I for the closed interval here
:D
 
and the identity matrix ... and ...
 
10:18 PM
So, check the bottom of page 40 to the top of page 41
Oh no better yet
 
in this definition it doesn't matter though
 
Page 19
He's explicit about it
"The closed interval (a,b)"
 
but like still he clearly means $[a, b]$ and writes $(a, b)$
oh god
yeah you're right
 
typesetting nightmare
I would probably avoid the book unless there's a really good reason not to
 
oh lmao i mustve noticed this last year because i have the brackets written in pen over top the parentheses
 
10:21 PM
I mean there's something going for this book
 
what (other than cheap)?
 
So, it seems like many undergrad analysis books are subsumed by Rudin
 
i mean schlag wants people to read it to make them very comfortable with complicated manipulations and not so much about "learning complex analysis"
 
(I'm not saying multi here, or quality, I just mean content-wise)
 
like learning complex is secondary to the purpose of choosing titchmarsh i guess is what im saying
 
10:23 PM
meh
I love complex analysis too much
 
you can teach multivariate analysis out of rudin but i dont think you should
 
I mean it has a good block of material about complex analysis for sure
 
no, it's horrendous ... nor should you learn measure theory from his one chapter
 
(At least I think, I dunno what counts as a "good block")
 
@Ted Schlag wrote a book on complex that's not bad
 
10:24 PM
Of course, I like the interplay with geometry/topology
 
@Daminark idk it's just not very modern, you're better served reading other books if you wanna learn the content
 
I think the point is more, you choose it over other books on complex analysis not because it's better at complex in particular, but because it's good at technique
 
i am very scared to take graduate complex with marianna csornyei lol
 
Much as I think the lack of topology/forms is perhaps unfortunate
 
I'm outta here...
 
10:25 PM
D:
bye ted
 
i think missing the interplay with top is very sad. it's the coolest thing about complex
 
And lol Schlag's book is a bit too aggressive for now. Might try Narasimhan as being in the middle more
 
tchau @Ted
 
See you @Ted
Oh by the way I have decided to do Marianna-plex
If nothing else
@Eric
But yeah anyway
$(a,b)$ >:(
 
10:49 PM
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Q: For all ordinary differential equations, does there exist a corresponding integral equation?

TyphonOnce or twice I have heard the term thrown around of a corresponding integral equation. Therefore, I ask if the following conjectures are true. For all differential equations $D$ there exists an integral equation $I$, such that $Sol(D) \cap Sol(I) = Sol(D)$. Note that $Sol(x)$ is the functi...

hmmm
i think this might be useful to my interests
 
11:52 PM
In ZF, is it consistent to assert that every set is the union of countably many countable sets?
 

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