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12:00 AM
@AsafKaragila Ah, thanks :-)
 
@AsafKaragila I guess my answer is too short :-) or the fact that the other answer was 3 minutes ahead. I got the banner saying that another answer had been entered just before I entered mine, but I guess that banner is not immediate.
 
he had the nerve of commenting on gower's post on Elsevier mostly in order to link to his papers...
 
"he" refers to the crank?
 
12:10 AM
I think that as a crank he's not that bad, he's not claiming anyone before him was entirely wrong and all that usual cranky stuff.
He is more than annoying, though.
 
@robjohn Your answer is unusually hand-wavy; why so?
 
Asaf, low Baez index does not a noncrank make
 
True.
 
his page on the Abel prize does it for me :)
 
I have a deja-vu, only with Henning playing your part of the conversation and someone else playing mine.
 
12:13 AM
@Srivatsan I might have spent more time on the question, but it as it was a numerical question I just put down my immediate thoughts. When I saw that it had been answered, I decided not to go any further.
I should probably just delete my answer.
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez To be fair his page about the criteria for a wife does it for me.
 
@robjohn Sure. It does convey the right intuition; but in going from the asymptotic statement to "I would say that...", I am a little uncomfortable. Perhaps you should at least add a small note there.
 
it is true that the fact that he does not seem to think everyone else is wrong is quite endearing, though
 
@Srivatsan I don't see any reason to keep my answer, when everything I was thinking is in the other answer any way.
 
12:17 AM
I like the symbolic-ness. But you could delete it if you wish. :)
 
It's toast :-)
@Srivatsan It was low-hanging anyway.
 
Low hanging as in with a short-drop?
That's inhumane. Suffocation is never pretty.
 
@AsafKaragila yep low hanging fruit.
 
Fruit of knowledge? I heard it is forbidden.
While my head hurts, I'll try to do some math... Let's see why forcing a well order for a set won't collapse cardinals.
 
@Srivatsan If I tried to improve it, it would seem like I was copying the other answer, and I didn't like the handwaviness either.
 
12:25 AM
@robjohn Yes, it's an irritating situation. What do I say? You could simply delete it, or just let it be and forget about it.
Jurors needed to move this question to stats.SE: math.stackexchange.com/questions/103394/…
 
@Srivatsan I don't know... I've undeleted it, I won't think about it unless someone comments negatively about it.
 
@robjohn sure, that is good.
 
@Srivatsan thwack!
 
Er, I wonder what just happened! I voted to move it to stats.SE.
@robjohn Thanks.
 
@Srivatsan does it automatically go, or do we have to wait for a mod?
 
12:33 AM
@robjohn Well, when you close a question as off-topic, you will be given set of options. Either it is just off-topic, or it is off-topic here, but can be moved to one of {stats.SE, meta.math, physics.SE}
 
The experimental MathJax takes about 10 seconds to respond after I enter an answer or press Reload
@Srivatsan Yes, and all of us voted to move it to stats.SE
 
But it did not get moved. It is just closed. So it seems to me.
 
Weird!
 
which is why I was wondering whether a mod needed to move it.
 
@robjohn Ah. It gets moved automatically if a majority of the five voters choose an option.
Maybe we should flag the mods; doing it now.
 
12:36 AM
@Srivatsan when I voted to move it, there were already 4 votes to move it to stats.SE
 
@robjohn That makes sense, because when I voted, there were 2 votes to move to stats.SE
Not states.SE =)
 
I also voted to ship it away.
 
Flagged.
 
How many helpful flags do you have?
 
25
@AsafKaragila How about you?
JM has like 160 apparently. That is rather curious.
 
12:41 AM
@Srivatsan 164
 
Wow.
 
Fluffers should have around 200.
Even 300.
 
what's a fluffer?
I know one meaning... but I guess not the one being used...
 
:)
 
It's a nickname derived from Srivastan's interpretation for Theo's username "tb" as "teddy bear".
 
12:43 AM
Sweet Jesus. I was hoping Matt would get the credit (or the blame).
 
@AsafKaragila Everyone who voted did, too.
 
I was here when you gave that line, Srivatsan. By uncountably many gods, I was!
 
Yes, I remember. I said it twice, once addressed to you, and the other time to Rob.
 
@AsafKaragila Do they reside in Hilbert's Temple?
 
@robjohn No, Hilbert's temple is countable.
 
12:45 AM
@AsafKaragila His hotel is countable for us mortals...
 
Well, the deities are generic over the universe, but in the generic extension they are also mortal.
 
Well, at least I haven't followed my reputation trend from the last three days (120, 80, 40, ...)
 
And yes, I mean that you can force deities on people.
 
@AsafKaragila what good is being a god if you are mortal?
 
@robjohn They are not mortal from our point of view.
Much like that given an uncountable cardinal we can always generate a bigger universe where it is countable.
 
12:49 AM
@AsafKaragila ah, but even uncountable ordinals have a successor...
 
@robjohn It's like how Asaf is the all-powerful king and owner of this chatroom.
 
Us, beings of the smaller universe will always see the deities are uncountable etc etc, while they may not see themselves as deities and almighty.
Before I head to bed, let me just tell you.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Goodnight.
 
@AsafKaragila sleep tight
 
Rob, Do you have any idea what Asaf means by that?
 
@Srivatsan by what?
 
12:51 AM
BTW, Rob, are you done with the events today? It's barely evening yet.
 
@Srivatsan No, we are going to the dinner in an hour
 
@robjohn "These aren't the droids you're looking for."
 
@Srivatsan well they aren't.
 
Which aren't?
 
these
 
12:53 AM
I see. Very clear now. =)
 
I'm glad I could clear that up for you :-)
@Srivatsan no :-D
 
:P
@robjohn Enjoy your dinner!
I will enjoy mine now. Bye.
 
@Srivatsan cul8r
 
 
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7:12 AM
Mornin'
 
Morning.
@AsafKaragila Noo! You're supposed to call him nice names not horrible ones!
 
What did I do?
 
Well look up what a "fluffer" is (I had to look it up, too)
 
7:27 AM
Oh man!! That is an awful job!
 
@Srivatsan Wot!? Poor me : D
 
:)
 
7:46 AM
Wow.. it's been quiet since I left.
As I thought might happen, someone downvoted my $100^99<99^100$ answer
 
@robjohn I guess nobody was here since then.
@robjohn Doug left a comment; unclear if it was them who downvoted.
This brute-force solution... I appreciate the boldness, but it's pleasantly surprising that no one downvoted it claiming it does not satisfy some unsaid and dubious assumptions.
 
"Mankind's depending on you." Is that a wordplay? :)
 
I don't know : )
 
Wait: it was a nice read, but I didn't find any -ahem- substance in the article. (Is that because the author was a male? =))
 
8:01 AM
: D
 
My head still hurts.
 
Do you want a biscuit?
 
No. I want to remove my own brain. Like the professor in Universe A.
 
Hello, everyone!
 
hi Daniil
 
8:13 AM
Hello Daniil.
 
Editing some of these questions on MSE feels equivalent to removing your own brain.
 
Have you guys heard John Cage's 4'33''? youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E
 
Alright, I have a bug that's bugging me on MSE. Sometimes I'll be writing when all of a sudden the Chrome tab freezes up. It was alright on an answer (because of draft saves), but not editing a question. How does one overcome or prevent this hurdle?
 
@anon But you don't get the cool scar.
 
@Asaf, what?
 
8:16 AM
@anon There's a bug which is bugging you? Dear lord.
 
"If SOPA/PIPA are passed, silence will be copyrighted."
(top comment in the video)
 
I've heard of that. It takes some real balls to tell the world you've got a new piece of music or art and then just sit there and do nothing. :P
 
That video gives me goosebumps, I like that.
Unrelated question: if a picture on deviantart has a watermark on it, does that mean the artist doesn't want it being downloaded as original because they want to sell it (and therefore I can't get a clean version)?
 
Maybe the artist just want watermark to be there? He sees that as a part of the picture or maybe a copyright statement.
 
8:23 AM
If it's just a statement of copyright then it wouldn't be overlayed over the direct center of the image; the positioning means it's sort of a blockade in my mind. Are you familiar with DA?
 
Oh, it's in the centre of the image :S
I've downloaded a couple of wallpapers from DA, but nothing more.
 
8:48 AM
test:
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$\qquad\qquad\qquad\;\;$ Test result: PREGNANT!
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:=)
 
lol, it shows up as nice side decoration on the star list
 
@anon Indeed: I found it as a decoration in a YT comment.
Some similar idea as yours.
 
er, that doesn't look or sound like a guitar...
 
8:56 AM
@anon no idea. It says "Chinese guitar" and I hadn't heard of this before. I only wanted to show you the comment anyway.
You know of the sitar? I am not surprised to hear that the Chinese had a variation of all these.
 
The langage $L(M') = \{w | w \mbox{ contains an equal number of occurrences of 0 and 1}\}$ is not regular, innit?
I think I should use pumping lemma, but I am not sure.
 
@Daniil Not regular.
Hint: $0^n 1^n$
 
Well I know that $0^n 1^n$ is not regular and I understand how can I use pumping lemma there
 
But my $L(M')$ is different, it can accept strings like 010101
 
9:09 AM
@Daniil I did not mean that $\{ 0^n 1^n \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}}$ is not regular; it is not regular but not relevant.
Still you could use $0^n 1^n$ for the pumping lemma. Ok, what do I mean? Pick $n$ o be a large finite number (more than the number of states in the finite state machine).
 
Can I use reasoning like this: since $0^n 1^n$ is a valid string in $L(M')$ then due to pumping lemma $0^{n+k} 1^{n+l}$ is valid too for some l and k
 
In fact, $l$ is zero, since only $0$ will be pumped.
 
This person reminds me of my mother. And she is for real.
 
True, thanks @Srivatsan
 
"Energy equals mass times the speed of light." Fail already.
 
9:13 AM
Tip of the iceberg.
 
berg or burg?
 
9:27 AM
Does the collection of all ordinals form a set?
Or is it a class?
 
@Srivatsan I think its berg?
 
@KannappanSampath Yes. It was a rhetorical question :=) (Maybe your question was also rhetorical.?)
 
@Srivatsan =)
 
@Daniil It's a (proper) class.
 
@Daniil It's a class.
 
9:36 AM
(fail: my attempt)
 
: )
 
@MattN Why?
 
If it were set, it would have it's one ordinal type.
 
Can anyone think of a way to add spaces in a chat message?
 
@Daniil I think the proof goes something like this: assume it's a set. Then the union over all its elements is also an ordinal. Do plus one, which is also an ordinal but not in the set. Hence you get a contradiction.
 
9:38 AM
Which would be an ordinal greater than all ordinals.
 
(Martin will correct me if I'm wrong : ))
 
$\text{ }\quad\;\;$ etc. (or the unicode spaces, possibly)
 
hi
 
Rajesh, you are my specter of sleep. I only see you around 3 or 4 am. :)
 
@RajeshD hi
 
@Daniil Note that you use the assumption that it's a set where you take the union over all its elements. I think you can't do $\bigcup C$ for proper classes $C$.
 
@anon Unicode spaces? What is that? // I just googled. Thanks for this.
 
@anon whats the time there now ?
 
@Srivatsan Like this? (test $\hspace{5 cm}$ test)
 
Alt+255 // 3:40am
 
9:41 AM
Thank you @MartinSleziak, @MattN
 
@anon: I didn't recognise you. I thought I was speaking to some other user..
 
@Daniil My pleasure.
 
@Daniil Maybe you could also check answers to this question, the class of all ordinals is mentioned there: Is V under ZFC really a proper class?
 
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$\hspace{3cm}$Mathematics Chatroom
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Cool. Thanks, anon.
 
@Srivatsan Notice the letters of Tamil Alphabet in your design!
 
9:45 AM
@KannappanSampath What are you talking about?
 
@Srivatsan The "Jha" !!
 
enga? I don't find it anywhere. Oh, do you mean that the boxes are actually tamil letters? I see them as boxes here.
 
@Srivatsan Do you see boxes at the beginning and end of the pattern? It is Jha here!
 
I see. :-) So we can communicate with hidden messages.
 
@MartinSleziak unfortunately that question requires some knowledge I do not posses yet, but thanks for the link.
 
9:50 AM
@KannappanSampath Ah, that one... Now I see it. It is a jha.
 
@Srivatsan How come now and not b4?
 
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Was wondering when that gravatar would take effect.
 
@KannappanSampath I was seeing that as a decoration. And then I thought you were referring to the boxes.
 
@Srivatsan oh fine! Got an analysis quiz tomorrow. And an unusually hard probability assignment due :/
 
Sure, see you.
 
10:17 AM
@anon: I might be very mistaken, but I thought this question is not too hard: math.stackexchange.com/questions/73614/…. I wonder why no answers yet.
Can you take a look at it? (BTW, this is just a crazy gut feeling; I have absolutely nothing to back it up.)
 
Why does $\mathbb{Q}$ does not have the least upper bound property ??
 
@RajeshD Because $\{ x \in \mathbb{Q} : x \leqslant \sqrt{2} \}$ does not have a l.u.b. in $\mathbb{Q}$. (It does have a lub in $\mathbb{R}$, namely $\sqrt{2}$.)
 
ok
thanks
 
You're welcome.
 
@Sri : Is it proper to ask to give an example without any reference to irrational numbers ?
 
10:27 AM
I can rephrase the same example if you like.
 
ok
 
$\{ x \in \mathbb{Q} : x \leqslant 0 \} \cup \{ x \in \mathbb{Q} : x > 0 \text{ and } x^2 < 2\}$.
 
ok
 
In fact, in one sense, the answer to your question is "no". The fact that $\mathbb{Q}$ does not satisfy the l.u.b. property is morally equivalent to the existence of a set $S \subseteq \mathbb{Q}$ such that the l.u.b. of $S$ is irrational.
 
11:22 AM
@anon "I found this video very difficult to fap to, until 5:45" : D
 
11:50 AM
@Daniil Cage's work is a bit hard to listen to for me, I'm afraid...
 
Silence!
 
Yes, 4'33" seems to be playing in the background. On a loop.
 
:D
Where can I learn mathematica and regex the best from? Trial and error is what I usually do but that can take a while.
 
@JonasTeuwen Was the link I gave you no good?
 
For regex, this book is standard.
 
11:54 AM
That much I know already, @MattN :-).
Right, I'll pick it up at the library.
 
@JonasTeuwen Oh. : )
 
@JonasTeuwen For Mathematica, there's this question I asked.
 
Of course those bastards only have the 2002 edition (and unavailable).
 
@MattN So you really went drinking that day? :)
 
@JM Yes. I had been asked to and kind of couldn't say no.
 
11:58 AM
Aww.
 
It's an old acquaintance of mine. They are decent but also very boring. I had said no too many times before.
 
Then maybe they just are not worthy if they are so boring 8-).
 
What's the point of drinking if you'll be bored out of your skull anyway?
 
I only consider people "not worthy" if they offend me.
@JM I thought the point of alcohol was to feel less sad when you're sad.
 
Yeah, but if you're drinking and you're still bored and such, something's quite wrong...
 
12:09 PM
Possibly. But one good thing might come out of it: she likes one of my facebook friends and if I can I'll set them up.
 
Maybe you should gain some self-confidence 8-).
 
Matchmaker, matchmaker...
 
At least, it is something similar as I can recall from the past.
 
@JonasTeuwen What makes you think I don't have self-confidence?
 
@JonasTeuwen That's actually better than hooch.
 
12:12 PM
@JonasTeuwen ?
 
Because otherwise you would not do so much things you don't like just because other people ask you to.
 
@JM Yes. It amuses me. : )
@JonasTeuwen Hm. Maybe. But I don't do that many things that I don't want to do.
 
Good.
I need a drink.
I'll have breakfast first.
 
@JonasTeuwen Good idea.
 
Bleh, my library only has the digital version of the Mathematica Cookbook :(.
So, I'm having a dilemma. Will I spend 35€ on a book about some proprietary software? 8-).
 
12:20 PM
Can you not find any information you need online for free?
 
Probably, but that will amount to the trial-and-error-method, and that is not a good way to learn the subject properly.
Or at least: It will take a longer time.
 
Then borrow the book off someone?
 
Nobody that I know uses mathematica.
 
hi!
@JonasTeuwen Jonas, what are they using then ? =)
 
@JonasTeuwen How about Wagon's book?
 
12:25 PM
Pen and paper.
 
@JM That's from 1991?
 
@JonasTeuwen Wait, you have to buy it? Your library doesn't let you borrow?
@JonasTeuwen There's a third edition, that should be (mostly) up to date.
 
The Mathematica Cookbook is only available in digital version.
 
@JonasTeuwen And the library won't let you, uhurm, borrow without paying?
 
12:27 PM
Sure they will.
But scrolling through a 827 page pdf gives me the willies.
 
@JM I think he wants a paper copy.
 
Phew. I wrote a very long answer that no one will actually read thoroughly :-D
Although Matt might want to, as I give a handwavy introduction to Cohen forcing.
 
They won't let you print either?
 
They will! But about 410 A4s is not really handy :-).
 
Just pick out the "interesting" sections from the table of contents as a start. :)
 
12:30 PM
Yep, that's all that is left what I can do.
 
@AsafKaragila I don't like handwavy.
 
Buying a book about software is a bit silly anyway.
 
@MattN You can be a good set theorist, then. Unlike me, because I hate technical details.
 
@JonasTeuwen You'd be surprised at how much O'Reilly makes a killing out of selling software-related books... ;)
 
I love technical details.
Yes, I have a Python book of O'Reilly.
 
12:32 PM
thats why you love special functions ! probably
 
12:43 PM
Yes.
 
I must head out; I'll be back in a few. See you!
 
@JM See you in a bit!
 
Mh. My intuition is failing me. I've always thought that the task of recognizing if something is empty or if two things are equal were pretty much the same.
But my notes say that the task of deciding if a context-free language is empty is decidable, while deciding whether two PDAs accept the same language is not.
Ah. Now I see why. CFLs aren't closed by difference!
 
1:30 PM
I ran into a
 
 
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2:47 PM
@Srivatsan: is it supposed to look like this? i.stack.imgur.com/C8jPE.png
Or is my system not rendering those characters correctly?
BTW, I cannot fathom the votes that some of the answers to this question have gotten
 
@robjohn They just look like boxes to me. I just stole the idea from a youtube comment, so it might not be correct.
 
@Srivatsan Ah, there is also $\square$.
 
In fact, not just the idea, I stole the whole comment itself (and replaced the middle text accordingly).
 
heloo
 
@robjohn $\Box$
 
2:54 PM
@robjohn I don't get the upvotes to the question either. I downvoted the question
 
@BenjaminLim Rob is talking about the upvotes to the answers. Even the 14 upvotes to the question is very high.
How do you it is homework? I mean: it seems obvious, but has the Op mentioned somewhere?
 
@Srivatsan Yeah that answer with 31 upvotes seems a little ridiculous
Sorry, I assumed it tacitly I have now edited my comment.
 
@BenjaminLim I think my answer got downvoted by Doug Spoonwood, but to make things as rigorous as he wants, you need to do more than the other answers do. They simply claim that $\left(1+\frac1x\right)^x$ is less than $e$ or $99$ of something.
 
Anyway my downvote stays for not showing any effort whatsoever...
@robjohn How do you know it was DS that downvoted your answer?
 
@BenjaminLim I am guessing since he was the one person to mention in a comment, but you are right I should qualify
 
2:58 PM
@robjohn Well, isn't that "common knowledge"? Of course, I can belt out a well-rehearsed proof if someone wants me to, but why do we need to prove it at all?
 
@robjohn yes that's right. However I think we all know that user has had many disagreements before with some users on this site.
 
@Rob: Is it just me, or do you find that there has been a spike in a number of these easy questions which attract dozens of upvotes in total?
 

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