The Bridge

radp

18:04

what do I win?

Ivo Flipse

here's a star, be happy :)

Jin

you unlock the God of Tri-Force

radp

@Ivo wins a cookie

Ivo Flipse

btw your alignment is off

and you can't do it again if you dare to refresh :P

radp

I know, Chromium didn't want to play nice pixel perfect wise

tzenes

18:06

Ok, that was cool @badp

Ivo Flipse

tried scrolling?

radp

yes

and if I wanted to retouch the image, well, I could very well just edit the numbers in and pretend it was true and it did happen at some time in the past

Jin

those are some very haunting ninja eyes in your avatar @badp

Ivo Flipse

you should use them on the site @Jin :P

radp

Yeah, those staring ninja eyes hide a secret. I cast a 250 rep bounty on meta to make this happen.

I was ready to cast another if necessary to align the score back to SO's (because I can't be arsed to budge my SO rep again :P)

Jin

18:09

maybe i'll add that to the top notification bar.. "Ceiling badp watching u repz"

2

radp

but those are details.

quietly removes Skeet's counter from his stack applet

Mana

18:24

sweeeeet, there are all these hot girls in my comp sci classes

I'm so impressed

oh the classes are pretty cool too

JavadocMD

@Mana Freshman?

alexanderpas

pics or it didn't happen;)

radp

:177312 it's mathematically proven that all hot girls in a CS class are in the wrong room

Mana

Yeah man

:<

JavadocMD

@Mana My experience is the hot ones dropped out after sophomore year. :(

Mana

18:25

fine, let me substitute cute for hot

JavadocMD

Once they realize what a thankless job software dev is.

Mana

or maybe it goes the other way around

JavadocMD

... I mean, good luck on your new career! ;)

Mana

hot for cute oh whatever

Macha

Hello everyone.

alexanderpas

18:27

the girls that actually finish CS are your regular BOFH

Ivo Flipse

@badp hot is relative, we don't know what @Mana considers hot

Macha

Considering I am going into CompSci, it's just as well that I'm more interested in cute guys :P

radp

I wish flags were public...

Mana

closing my hot girls in comp sci question for subjectivity

radp

chat is subjective!

Mana

18:29

o

anyways I'm going to go grab some food before my next class begins, peace

Macha

Bye,

alexanderpas

Apple: restores 15 HP

radp

:177364 core dumped.

Macha

Silly. Rat meat. Restores 40 HP.

Seriously, why do so many RPGs feature rat meat?

radp

Also, apple reduces your willpower score over time (it balances with charisma, however)

LessPop_MoreFizz

18:33

:177369 Because they all feature killing rats.

I will say I like what Oblivion did with the Fighters Guild = Rat Quest trend.

Macha

:177374 True. But still. It's kind of weird.

If I ever make an RPG, I am sure as hell thinking of something better than a rat for "generic really low level enemy".

JavadocMD

:177369 In the Apocalypse, you will kill a man for rat meat.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Squirrels IMO

DIRE SQUIRREL

GIANT SQUIRREL

you can have an entire heirarchy of mutant squirrels

for all your low level adventurer fodder needs.

alexanderpas

:177383 roaches?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:177390 Roach Meat makes even less sense than rat meat though.

And you need the meat from whatever you're killing to be useful. Otherwise, why would you kill it?

Though that didn't stop Fallout 3 I guess.

alexanderpas

18:37

fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Radroach_meat

LessPop_MoreFizz

exactly.

alexanderpas

But the question is, how does Moira Brown know what old feet tastes like.

Cristina

18:57

if i remember correctly in fallout 3 the roaches were pretty big, so their meat is a bit plausible, but just a tiny bit.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:177396 Well, if you blow up Megaton, she comes back as a ghoul.

Maybe she's been engaging in a bit of "Wasteland Survival"?

Macha

I've never been able to get into Fallout, tbh

Cristina

3 or the original?

Macha

3

Cristina

Managed to get around 30% of the game but was KOed by the overwhelming bloom.

JavadocMD

19:04

@Macha I could see Fallout 3 not being super intriguing without having played and loved the originals.

Arda Xi

19:46

It's so weird to participate in another beta of a site where List of X is allowed.

Ivo Flipse

which one @ArdaXi?

Arda Xi

Android one

Ivo Flipse

that just launched, so kind of unfair ;)

Arda Xi

Damn, it has a lot of questions Oo

I didn't anticipate that when adding it to my feed notifier

C. Ross

20:07

yeah, most sites gradually tighten what they allow

Arda Xi

Not sure if we fall in that category

C. Ross

you mean Gaming?

we weren't so gradual

Arda Xi

double-checks Yeah, this is the Gaming room ;-)

C. Ross

about what ... 7 days in we opened up the water cannons on list questions

Ivo Flipse

your welcome @CRoss

C. Ross

20:17

for what?

Ivo Flipse

for opening fire

C. Ross

yes, thank you

so obviously Gaming is going to make it

can I ask the room if y'all have any suggestions for getting attention for RPG?

Ivo Flipse

does it allow video game RPGs?

C. Ross

no, specifically pen and paper

Ivo Flipse

hmm, I'm totally not into it

all I can imagine is that it would be nice to have banners at different events and/or shops that sell the requirements for board games

and luckily the events don't have to be large ones, just the local ones where RPG-lovers go to

Arda Xi

20:26

:177625 Like Games Workshop IIRC

Ivo Flipse

yeah, I'm quite sure that those people would love such a site

they are the 'experts' you want to draw in

Arda Xi

I once walked into a Games Workshop in England while expecting something much different.

It's a really weird shop when you don't know what to expect.

Ivo Flipse

I can't wait to get a 3D printer at home, so I can print those awesome board figures

C. Ross

actually y'all are discribing a different but related site and type of game

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/5220/board-and-card-games

Ivo Flipse

ah then I really don't know where to promote you :P

alexanderpas

20:42

@CRoss Wizards Play Network Locations, D&D players can be found there.

C. Ross

:177679 I'm in the local game, and I'm already advertising to people there

but yes, it's a good place

alexanderpas

remember [android] on SO? it would be fun if they managed to do the same for [dungeons-and-dragons] on RPG.

:177683 for some reason, that question made me think of Lufia.

Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals

|genre = Action role-playing game |modes = Single player |ratings= |platforms=Nintendo DS |media=Game Pak }} Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals, released as in Japan, is an action role-playing game (RPG) video game co-developed by Neverland and Square Enix for the Nintendo DS. It is a re-imagining of the 1995 Super Nintendo Entertainment System game Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals, also developed by Neverland. Gameplay Unlike the previous Lufia games, this is an action-rpg game similar to games like The Legend of Zelda, Secret of Mana, and Kingdom Hearts. Gameplay is no longer turn-based...

only three more days for badge, and vacation next week... that is a close call.

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:02

:177716 Can you set up a script to automate a login from your computer at home while you're out of town?

Arda Xi

Wouldn't have to automate a login

just send one request with your cookies

alexanderpas

hmm... I wonder if there's a solution already availble on SO or something ;)

otherwise it would make one heck of a question ;)

LessPop_MoreFizz

:177737 Yeah, I didn't mean automate a password entry or anything. I just meant a site visit.

:177739 I could make one in 5 minutes on a Mac with Automator and zero programming skills. Someone more knowledgable could of course, do me one better or produce something usable onf another OS.

alexanderpas

:177742 password? I don't even use a password to login.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:177745 I use my google account for openID stuff

point is, you know what I mean.

Ivo Flipse

21:15

we could use this on the gaming blog: webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/2741/…

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:42

joystiq.com/2010/09/13/…

that is how you announce a delay

Cristina

i like how Valve sees time developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

Ivo Flipse

ok that was fun

soon[TM] by Blizzard :P

wowwiki.com/Soon

alexanderpas

valve knows how to announce delays too: destructoid.com/…

LessPop_MoreFizz

I like Magickas announcement more.

OH NO BUGS

Arda Xi

Valve finally acknowledged Valve Time?

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:57

I don't think they've ever really denied it

alexanderpas

"A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is forever bad."

Arda Xi

:177837 Not denying isn't the same as acknowledging

:177842 And vapourware never gets the chance to be bad

alexanderpas

However, there might be cases where vapourware actually might be good.

Jin

22

Q: Design Ideas for Gaming Site (updated with screenshots v2)

Hi all. I'm Jin and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflects its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

Ivo Flipse

looking great @Jin

FallenAngelEyes

22:05

I'm not sure how much I like the blockiness of the S's in "Ask Question"

Jin

thanks. the pixel art took a while to do...

Ivo Flipse

just slightly worried by some characters that look less great when pixelated, such as the A in Add

Jin

i'm definitely open for font tweaking.

radp

Holy shit :)

Ivo Flipse

I like how That one level jumps off the screen

the questions are also very legible

Jin

22:07

yeah i wanted the logo to pop some, so it doesn't get lost in the 2d pixel arts in the header.

FallenAngelEyes

I really like the badge coins btw.

Jin

i still need to create the logo to go with the "That One Level" text.

FallenAngelEyes

My only concern is the legibility of the pixel-y font

Ivo Flipse

only think that anything smaller than Interesting tags looks poor when pixelated

alexanderpas

certainly needs some font tweaking for legibility, the general direction is perfect however.

Jin

22:08

i'll have to test once when in the css conversion process.

FallenAngelEyes

I'd have to agree there :(

radp

I guess the way Photoshop does font rendering is quite irrelevant here

Jin

right now the silkscreen font is something i'm not sure about for the top.

yeah. photoshop has its own text rendering engine, aka CRAP

FallenAngelEyes

It'll be nice to have some color :)

radp

I'm kind of iffy about the top bar, is it supposed to be white entirely?

alexanderpas

22:10

Question titles font is not optimal. sidebar is completely perfect.

Ivo Flipse

it looks like the text in badges is bold, but if I look at SU they're non-bold

radp

oh, you forgot the envelope

FallenAngelEyes

I rather like the question titles font, I think it's got that nicely modern feel while still feeling game-y

Ivo Flipse

I'm not sure whether the numbers of the rep (at the top) are legible in this font and if they even need to be pixelated next to such awesome coins :D

radp

I'm not a fan of Inconsolata, but I can live with it.

Ivo Flipse

22:12

votes, answers, views is also a normal font, I think it would look better if the username+rep would also have that font

radp

They're medals, not coins. If they were coins, they'd have to stay near rep counts.

alexanderpas

coins... medals... it only matters when you get over 100.

Ivo Flipse

sorry to disappoint you, but they remind me of Mario coins

radp

:177889 I know, but they're totally medals in meaning :)

alexanderpas

totally the same...

more fair, the super mario 3 coin:

radp

22:15

That design should read less "Jin 218" and more "MARIO X5"!! (kidding)

Jin

i linked the google font-face page for Inconsolata, see how it works in real action

alexanderpas

Question: what games make the design think you about?

Jin

i did forget about the envelope...

Ivo Flipse

space invaders

Jin

"In space, no one can hear the notifications"

radp

22:18

:177898 That game with the big green shields obviously

Jin

space invaders

radp

"In space, no one can hear you @-reply"

alexanderpas

the green tabs with damage made me think about space invaders.

Ivo Flipse

I don't listen anyway @badp

radp

:177909 sorry, could you repeat?

not sure I could hear you :P

I for one like Yanone Kaffeesatz the best out of Google's Font Directory

It isn't blocky enough though, I'm afraid

alexanderpas

22:24

@Jin, what is the rgb value for the font of the question title.

Jin

@alexanderpas #106606

keep in mind, text rendering in my mockup isn't too accurate to how it'd render once as pure text on a webpage. especially if the text is small.

photoshop does a pretty poor job of rendering text unfortunately.

alexanderpas

I'm playing with firebug on code.google.com/webfonts/family?family=Inconsolata

LessPop_MoreFizz

So is ThatOneLevel the final name?

alexanderpas

it's at least the name we have dibs on if the others are not availble.

Ivo Flipse

I like it the way it is now, it seems to fit and isn't very generic

alexanderpas

22:35

not happy about the phat footer font, but the small footer font is perfect.

radp

Again, I'd rather wait to see the actual font rendering as performed by the browser before commenting on it

alexanderpas

true, but for the question title, actual browser rendering: code.google.com/webfonts/family?family=Inconsolata

if you have firefox, play around with it.

Jin

but feel free to comment still. the goal of me posting the mockup is to get the "overall" look and feel

to me that's more important. i can work out all the smaller details once in CSS

alexanderpas

@Jin a mock-up of an actual Q&A page, in addition to the front page is also very welcome... after all, it's the Q&A this site is about ;)

Jin

@alexanderpas agreed! that will be up tomorrow

radp

22:41

Well, I don't know if it's PS to blame there, but the pixelated font is generally unreadable

alexanderpas

footer is worst offender, sidebar is good kid in the house.

Jin

so far, we agree the pixelated font may be a trouble maker. this applies to silkscreen font that's in the header and footer.

once i'm in CSS mode, if it doesn't work well then i'll use something else. i just thought it looks the best with the header arts.

alexanderpas

Silkscreen Bold is the troublemaker I think.

radp

On a completely unrelated note, that headers brings me back to yet another of my failed pet project, Situational Awareness, a blocky font that only looked good in FontStruct's editor. Luckily, I realized before I started doing lowercase.

alexanderpas

radp

22:47

:177946 broken link vs broken link?

Jin

i say the top broken link wins.

alexanderpas

I can see the image.

Jin

because you have it cached

alexanderpas

it's in the sidebar here: kottke.org/plus/type/silkscreen

radp

right click and pick 'open in a new tab'

Jin

22:49

8pt is good, but that'd be too small for our use

alexanderpas

even at 8pt the bold looks bad.

Jin

yeah bold doesn't look good

i may try to find another pixel font that looks sharper at bigger size.

i still would like to get a pixel display font for the top links. however, readability comes first. if nothing works out, i'll use something safe

alexanderpas

fontroulette: next! :D

Jin

comic sans

radp

Well, the top links may very well be images if all else goes wrong

Papyrus!

Jin

22:52

with Hot Dog color scheme

radp

That's the high contrast mode. Then I'd suggest Wide Latin.

FontStruct's is a nice idea, it's a pity things don't work so well in practice

alexanderpas

I can-haz fontforge (I just love my alias commands)

radp

FontForge is probably nice for normal fonts, I just wanted something that looked okay at a very specific size with antialiasing off

Apparently, however, a font 8 blocks high that is shown in the preview 8 pixels high etc. doesn't necessarily translate in a font that looks good at 8 pt.

How naive of me. :)

Actually that was doubly stupid of me as the game renders the font at 7pt

Ivo Flipse

23:11

It's painfully hilarious to read execs at Nokia dropping ship, while the only thing they should do is built a great Android phone...

radp

Android is the last thing Nokia should do

They have Meego, they have Symbian, they have QT, they have a shitton of technology available to them

Ivo Flipse

I didn't say they should invest largely in it

radp

Android would be admitting defeat...

Ivo Flipse

just bring out a phone, until Meego get's up to speed (which isn't exactly now)

radp

All I know I have is drowsiness.

Ivo Flipse

23:13

they could make be taken HTCs profit in Europe if they had a Nokia Android phone

hows that?

radp

01:13(am)

alexanderpas

01:14 you mean.

Ivo Flipse

it's the same for me, I just got out of bed 0:30 PM, so I'm fine

radp

The problem isn't 1am, the problem is my 7am wakeup last morning :/

Ivo Flipse

plus I still need to export 20 dog's measurements

radp

23:15

Just make them up in paint :P

alexanderpas

:178060 Try using jQuery.

3

Ivo Flipse

for what?

radp

uh

silly question

jQuery is great and does all things -- fishnipples 2 days ago

Ivo Flipse

well, it's a silly response as I have to do the exporting in the pressure measuring software, so unless it has some Sikuli like magic and can speed up Labview crap :P

radp

:178070 doxdesk.com/img/updates/20091116-so-large.gif

alexanderpas

23:17

48

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: jQuery Originator: Unknown (possibly Ólafur Waage) Cultural Height: TBD Background: A Stack Overflow-centric meme, jQuery begin its career early on as the answer to beat for any question that even remotely referenced JavaScript. Its popularity became so great that eventually jQuery becam...

Ivo Flipse

I try to avoid those questions @alexanderpas

radp

It's still the cultural reference behind the joke, @Ivo

sorry.

Ivo Flipse

I like your picture @badp and actually I did notice it in Joel Coelhoorn's comments

radp

looks confused

Ivo Flipse

woops, sorry thinking of too many things at once

radp

23:21

the pic's bobince's.

ROFL, I only now noticed the related column

Ivo Flipse

yeah, Where are my legs?

What's the best number

alexanderpas

7

A: Suggest a CAPTCHA image

how about our Robotic Operating Buddy (larger image on wikipedia)

Mana

23:44

dude....duuuuuude

have you guys seen Jin's latest mock-up of site design?

it's soooooooo good

Ivo Flipse

what has changed?

alexanderpas

we've seen it :D

Ivo Flipse

Duuuuuuuude

alexanderpas

in Gaming on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 13 at 22:03, by Jin

16

Q: Design Ideas for Gaming Site (Updated with Sceenshot)

Hi all. I'm Jin and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflects its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

discussion featured top-7 user-interface stackexchange

Mana

I'm too slow, clearly

alexanderpas

23:47

@Ivo seems slow too... ;)

Mana

I just wish the transition from body to footer was more gradual

Ivo Flipse

alexanderpas

but no, you're not slow, jun just passed by and informed us.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Is the sitename used in the mockup the final name? didn't realize that had been decided if so

Ivo Flipse

he just picked one of the top ones, most likely

Mana

23:49

ja, beta gaming doesn't really make a good mock-up name

alexanderpas

Mana

I'm starring all these dude images, dude

Ivo Flipse

and I like it the way it currently is tbh

Mana

they're too good

alexanderpas

(that could be classified as a chrono trigger spoiler....)

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:57

Am I the only person that always renamed people to their actual names in CT?

like, Frog became glenn

Marle became Nadia

alexanderpas

Chrono became... Chrono...

Transcript for