The Bridge

alexanderpas

00:40

anyone who bet i didn't make it has won, I had a structural shortage of 10% pix on the final amount, I will take 1 loop.

antony.trupe

01:15

anyone else having issues logging into lotro?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:175959 Did you finish the final week?

and fail it I mean

alexanderpas

yup, I failed the final week.

FallenAngelEyes

02:05

g'night all

alexanderpas

03:57

CHEAP balls of fire!

radp

11:03

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/5049/revisions

:/

Ivo Flipse

did someone edit your question?

radp

I had to completely rewrite that answer

The excerpt was excessively long.

I don't even have the game to begin with :D

Ivo Flipse

:P

Troggy

11:23

So I have not completely fixed my SLI problems, but I do see where it is worse.

Ivo Flipse

which is?

good afternoon btw :P

Troggy

For example: Just cause 2 runs great with SLI'd cards. However, the menu system is all messed up and i can barely start a game because I cant read anything.

It looks like a Vsync issue, but its only in certain parts

Speaking of which, I do happen to have an extra copy of Just Cause 2. So if anyone got any trades or what not, email me.

2

Activation code for Steam.

Ivo Flipse

did you order them online? the GPUs?

Troggy

Yes.

Ivo Flipse

that's 'too bad' else you could have brought them back in and have the shop check the problem for you and replace the faulty one

Troggy

11:29

I get about 30fps maxed out settings with 1 gtx 460 and about 55-58fps with 2 gtx 460's

Ivo Flipse

perhaps simply contacting the webshop for a replacement?

Troggy

I don't think its the cards. It is drivers and the specific games dealing with v sync.

because it is the parts that are 60fps or higher

Ivo Flipse

well you don't want a buggy card either

it's not your fault their drivers suck

Troggy

I turned on FRAPS and now I am seeing where the issues are at. Menus are not too intensive all the time, so they run at high FPS, while the game may bring it into sub 60, so I don't see any issue. Also, metro 2033 will make any video card cry.

I would take it up with the manufacture of the card, the retailer will just charge me shipping and restocking fees

Ivo Flipse

isn't this a warranty problem? plus it should work as advertised

but contacting nvidia or the real manufacturer would always be a good idea

Troggy

11:35

Not really, it is SLI issues, which are usually related to drivers and game coding. The cards by themselves work fine.

Once I got into the games of metro 2033 and just cause 2, I saw both cards being utilized at the same rate.

Ivo Flipse

SLI is just a card function, if it comes with it, it should work

Troggy

Well, it requires more than just having a feature. The applications have to be able to take advantage of it also.

COD 4 runs great for example with the dual video card option on.

alexanderpas

customers are beta-testers, software is delivered AS-IS without guarantee. etc etc etc.

google.com/…

radp

Google URLs can be quite scary...

http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=SLI+probems&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=7AyOTPFg0cuzBsuk2LcC&ved=0CBEQvwUoAQ&q=SLI+problems&spell=1&fp=280187d6f0589da0

Ivo Flipse

well than youll have to benchmark it using 3dmark or pcmark and see what an 'independent' test says

Troggy

11:40

I need some more graphic intense games. Downloading 3dmark right now.

radp

glgears ftw :P

Troggy

11:51

Dirt 2 seems to do ok after some setting changes.

radp

12:03

@Ivo, do per site metas have a migration path to MSO?

Ivo Flipse

12:14

nope

at least, SU doesn't have one

radp

fail.

Mana

ugh, first day of classes

neeeeervous :<

radp

12:29

uni <3 =}

Mana

D:

radp

hey, at least you won't have to commute to university!

I'm not even sure there's any country other than Italy where students commute to university.

Ivo Flipse

radp

Yahoo answers needs its own meta.

Mana

actually people commute to university here in Canada as well

although I live in residence since my home's too far

radp

12:33

Yeah, I think of commuting as a luxury tbh

Ivo Flipse

you think so? In Holland all students get a card, so they have free public transport

radp

Tsk. I pay €69/mo to commute.

Mana

geez

radp

Well, renting someplace in Milan comes to 300€/mo so...

Ivo Flipse

well it costs you money, but if you get your degree, you don't have to pay

Mana

12:35

THAT'S EQUAL TO 820 POUNDS PER YEAAAAAR

ah, I see.

Ivo Flipse

how much does college/university cost you then @Mana?

Mana

well tuition is crazy expensive, there's no denying that

radp

Since my family owns our home, university thinks we're reach and "charge" us €3k/y (this is a public university)

Mana

something like $6000 there...then $3000 on meal plan...residence fees...carry the two...divide by zero...

about $15 000/year when all's said and done.

Ivo Flipse

In the Netherlands students pay one fee, regardless of school or level (for Bachelor/Master degrees)

radp

12:38

:176440 geez

Mana

ja

oh well, I saved for many years

across many odd jobs

swallowing my pride

radp

you actually saved $65k?

Ivo Flipse

which comes in at about 1600€/year and they even get a small loan each month which they don't have to pay back if they graduate (for about 100€/month)

Mana

and I covered 75% of that first year cost

radp

oh, right :)

:176448 nice.

Ivo Flipse

12:39

in Belgium it's even cheaper, the government subsidizes everything: school, books, food at school, student residences

it would only set you back with like 1000€/year

radp

Well, the Politecnico di Milano is the most expensive (and best) public university in Italy

so €3k/y is hardly representative (as far as public uni's are concerned, private unis go well above that.)

Ivo Flipse

indeed, though really if you get a decent job, you shouldn't have to worry too much

though it can't keep increasing like it has over the past 50 years in America

radp

"if"

that's one hell of an if :)

Ivo Flipse

and like you said: in Italy everybody owns their houses so spend less money each month on mortgages

radp

no no no no, not true

we as in "our family" do, which is why I pay as much as I pay

others who don't have a mortgage on their shoulders and instead pay rent pay much less for uni.

See, the amount you should pay is determined by an "economic status" index that's quite affected by whether you own or rent.

Ivo Flipse

12:44

how 'fair' :\

radp

At least, that's the only way I can understand why my index is as high as it is :)

Well, technically it's fair to have the richer pay more

I just didn't notice I was swimming in the gold ;)

enough about me though.

FallenAngelEyes

13:09

good afternoon all

Mana

good morning, too. Good everywhere.

FallenAngelEyes

hehe

Ivo Flipse

afternoon misses :)

radp

'noon

Ivo Flipse

lfcs (looking for cheap student) 10$

I need someone to click loads of buttons for me :P

FallenAngelEyes

13:11

lol

radp

import mechanize

FallenAngelEyes

In the Netherlands students pay one fee, regardless of school or level (for Bachelor/Master degrees) <-you stop getting subsidy after 29 though, I thought

Ivo Flipse

I so can't wait to get my own company, so I can hire job students to do this stuff for me :P

radp

wwwsearch.sourceforge.net/mechanize

Ivo Flipse

well I could try and automatize it with Sikuli (very awesome), but it would probably cost me more work than doing it by hand

radp

13:13

googles it

Ivo Flipse

need to manually export a whole database of measurements through my jobs software

groups.csail.mit.edu/uid/sikuli

radp

oh, a variation on the AutoHotKey theme

Ivo Flipse

no, no, not just Mac

and it's a visual AHK, since it can recognize pixels and use that to click interface buttons, something that AHK doesn't really support

radp

oh, it looks Pythony.

Ivo Flipse

it is, there's a library you can use yourself

making it even more awesome

the downside is, that I don't have enough experience with it to automate anything useful

though this current task might apply

have to export 20+ measurements from 33 dogs... each file is 16Mb, so it's not lightning fast either...

FallenAngelEyes

13:17

2

Q: Are all units in cover really covered in CoH?

Units in Company of Heroes can be in various kinds of cover. For instance, if the "green cover" symbol appears above a unit group's flag, it means the group is in heavy cover and is hard to hit. However, does this mean that the whole group (any unit in that group) is really in green cover? For i...

Dangit, I thought this was about City of Heroes at first glance and got all happy :(

Ivo Flipse

awh :( you can try asking a question about it yourself

radp

13:47

aww, cmon

«REWARD CARD EARNED»

picks card

throbber spins

throbber spins ×2

throbber spins ×3

Game has disconnected from server. Game will now end.

Ivo Flipse

I had that with SC2 yesterday, got a silver achievement, turned out I wasn't logged in due to booting from sleep mode...

radp

14:15

NFS:W is practically unplayable right now

In other news

Steam Wallet

«Funds in your Steam Wallet may be used for the purchase of any game on Steam or within a game that supports Steam transactions. »

Micropayments are coming to Steam.

FallenAngelEyes

bwuuuuuh

Not entirely sure I see the use of that

Purchasing on steam is already really easy, especially if you save your credentials

Ivo Flipse

not just that @FallenAngelEyes, I for one don't have a credit card

FallenAngelEyes

You can use ideal now though

Ivo Flipse

so if I can get prepaid cards or a Wallet, I just pay my mom 50$ to fill my account and pay her off

sssst you :P, I'm just making a hypothetical point here!

FallenAngelEyes

haha

Yeah, I was thinking that, mostly useful for kids and stuff

Ivo Flipse

14:23

and microtransactions can help Indie games

you drop the sales price, make people buy upgrades ingame

tzenes

I am reluctantly conscious again

FallenAngelEyes

speaking of indie, think I'm gonna play some more Recettear

Ivo Flipse

too much beer? :P

have fun

FallenAngelEyes

and good afternoon @tzenes

Ivo Flipse

well @tzenes, I'm exporting all my data

someone put a 500 point bounty on my question, so I need more samples to feed the hungry!

tzenes

14:27

which question

also, morning

Ivo Flipse

181

Q: Peak detection in a 2D array

I'm helping a veterinary clinic measuring pressure under a dogs paw. I use Python for my data analysis and now I'm stuck trying to divide the paws into (anatomical) subregions. I made a 2D array of each paw, that consists of the maximal values for each sensor that has been loaded by the paw over...

python image-processing

good morning mate :)

tzenes

wow

they really like this question

Ivo Flipse

yeah, and since exporting takes forever, I started a blog, so I can post more info

Mechko

... +126?!

Ivo Flipse

what? upvotes on that question

Mechko

14:38

yes.

that's kinda crazy.

Ivo Flipse

it had 4500 pageviews within 24 hours

radp

> This has got to be one of the most fun questions I've read in a long time. It even comes with illustrations. My hats off to you, sir. – wheaties Sep 10 at 14:23

Ivo Flipse

what I need asap now is get more data online, so they can test it on more measurements, as it's not 100% sure they will work for any type of paw

Mechko

hehe and get your entire work done by SO :D

Ivo Flipse

but the problem for me is that my current script just works for one measurement, so it's going to be interesting to see whether it will even work for others

radp

14:41

:176701 goes tag it homework.

Mechko

good idea.

Ivo Flipse

I'm not at school anymore ;-)

radp

:P

Ivo Flipse

well you're partially right: it's nearly a send-me-the-codez

radp

...it's not like I did homework when I was at school <.<

Mechko

14:43

haha. well @IvoFlipse if you ask too much of SO, I might have to tag it send-me-teh-codez :D

Ivo Flipse

I wish they gave me homework like this when I was @badp

Mechko

oh yeah. totally subjective question: I'm getting an android phone for my birthday. I'm getting it outright but the provider has to be T-mobile. Which one would you guys recommend

Ivo Flipse

where do you live?

radp

oh, right, you americans and your provider-mobile lock ins.

tzenes

I got a moto DroidX, but I don't think that helps you with T-mobile

Ivo Flipse

14:46

get the G2 when it comes out

Mechko

well the other part of it is that my trusty razr was sat upon and hence no longer works. So I kinda have to order today :-p

tzenes

does the galaxy work on tmobile?

radp

Personally I got myself a Nokia 5800 for cheap (€145) and I don't even know what I'm missing up on

tzenes

I hear good things about that

radp

Well, okay, it doesn't have an IRC client in the Ovi store or speak to type or GCalendar integration and it doesn't do coffee but...

Mechko

14:48

I hear that the galaxy is pretty good but the mp3 player is kinda bad

Ivo Flipse

bad is pretty relative, I wouldn't think too much of it @Mechko

Mechko

I'm an audiophile/fanatic :D

tzenes

that reminds me I need a good podcasting app for my droidx

Ivo Flipse

to cast pods or to listen to them?

I thought Google's Listen was decent as a manager

radp

okay, the Ivo starring program didn't work too well

you evil Ivo impersonator, @tzenes!

tzenes

14:55

:(

radp

«It is too late to undo this operation»

wtf?

tzenes

wow, was that you?

it looks like you went star crazy

radp

with( <bottom half of screen> ):
  for match in findAll( <Ivo Flipse> ):
    hover(match)
    click( <star> )

Ivo Flipse

uh what @badp?

radp

Where the <> bits are actually screenshots

Trying Sikuli, @Ivo

Ivo Flipse

14:57

ah Sikuli :)

how awesome, I like it already

radp

I thought it wouldn't be a problem since starring can always be undone

Ivo Flipse

I have something like that for @tzenes posts on Gaming

radp

except it can't!

:176780 lol :D

tzenes

ok, that made me laugh

somebody emailed me a Starcraft question

Ivo Flipse

:O what did he want?

tzenes

15:00

He wanted advice on a replay

it started: "hey you may remember me from gaming.se"

it was kind of weird, I don't fully understand why he didn't just ask on gaming

Ivo Flipse

tell him to come to chat

so everyone can have some fun :)

tzenes

oh, I just emailed him the answer

Jin

morning guys

Ivo Flipse

morning @Jin :)

radp

'noon

Arda Xi

15:03

Good evening

tzenes

mornin

Ivo Flipse

how are the designs coming along?

radp

(Yes, I know it's morning there.)

Jin

i should have the overall concept completed today!

pixel art is so time consuming...

Ivo Flipse

w00t and for web apps?

Jin

15:04

i'm done with wev apps css conversion already. but i still need to test for bugs

a super sneak peek at the gaming header

tzenes

ok, that's pretty good

C. Ross

sweetness

guys, does this question belong:

1

Q: Where can I download a shared userdata folder which has unlock all feaures?

I've finished everything in the Normal edition. I now just enjoy playing the Endless Survival with the GotY edition. But to play with the new edition, I have to replay from the beginning - which is quite boring! So, I want to look for saved userdata from any of you who have unlocked everything ...

plants-vs-zombies-goty

radp

:176835 On chat, definitely

On the site I think it can stay

FallenAngelEyes

15:24

Is there an easy way to make a table in an answer?

radp

:176872 <pre><pre/>

C. Ross

easy?

FallenAngelEyes

Well, convenient. And that'll work well enough, thanks

C. Ross

16:56

@tzenes I just stumbled upon this answer (I don't know how I missed it)

33

A: How can I tell which layers there are in an in-progress fortress in Dwarf Fortress?

Ok, I'm going to give you a crash course in Geology. In traditional Geology there are three kinds of Rock: Sedimentary, Metamorphic and Igneous (actually that's an over simplification, but pretend its true). Dwarf Fortress is modeled on this system but it further breaks Igneous down into Igneou...

and it is awesome!

tzenes

Ok, so I was just showing that answer to someone at work

and I was explaining how partly I was writing a long answer (which is my style) and partly I was trolling the question

because there is no really good answer to it

essentially he just has to look and hope he finds soem

C. Ross

yeah, in short it's a "you can't" answer

but the long version is beautiful

tzenes

oh yeah

and fun. I always remember College geology fondly

we got to go on trips and take actual measurements on real rock hill

C. Ross

in fact I' think I'm going to link that on fb for my geologist friends

tzenes

Nice

I'd share it with geologist friends if I had any...

C. Ross

17:02

what did you major in?

Ivo Flipse

he did CS according to his CV :P

tzenes

Computer Science

@Ivo have you been stalking me?

Ivo Flipse

hehe, no I just stumbled on your twitter account @tzenes, which led from one thing to the other :)

Jin

i was in computer engineering

C. Ross

it would probably be faster to ask who didn't do CS around here :-/

Ivo Flipse

17:07

me!

C. Ross

what were you Ivo?

Ivo Flipse

human movement science :)

C. Ross

really @Jin, interesting change from CE to design

LessPop_MoreFizz

<<-- Not a CS major

Jin

i do not miss 'em breadboards 'n 8pin flipflops

LessPop_MoreFizz

17:08

Media Studies/Urban Studies double major

C. Ross

ok

tzenes

ew, breadboards

LessPop_MoreFizz

oh yea, feel the lack of practicality oozing out of that degree.

Jin

@CRoss i always liked design, but i didn't want to be a starving artist i guess. but web design/dev is the best of both worlds imo

C. Ross

definitely

Ivo Flipse

17:09

and it's booming business @Jin :)

C. Ross

yeah, IT is one of the few things doing well in the States

Jin

i did dev for a few years before, mostly in classic asp and asp.net 1-2

C. Ross

I'm still doing classic asp (amongst other things)

Ivo Flipse

to me programming is just a bigger graphical calculator @CRoss, though I got to do some product management at my current/previous job

C. Ross

it's not exactly the joy of my life

Ivo Flipse

17:11

I think a lot of programmers should just start a business of their own and create stuff for small businesses

C. Ross

:177064 well TI-92s, TI-89s are full featured computers by my definition

Ivo Flipse

that doesn't make working with them programming :P

C. Ross

no, but you can program on them

TI-92 series

The TI-92 series of graphing calculators are a line of calculators produced by Texas Instruments. They include: the TI-92 (1995), the TI-92 Plus (1998,1999), and the Voyage 200 (2002). The design of these relatively large calculators includes a QWERTY keyboard. Because of this keyboard, it was given the status of a "computer" rather than "calculator" by American testing facilities and cannot be used on tests such as the SAT or AP Exams while the similar TI-89 can be. TI-92 The TI-92 was originally released in 1995, and was the first symbolic calculator made by Texas Instruments. It came...

Ivo Flipse

I know we'd use to have these fun games on them. One was a racer game where the track would get increasingly narrow and you'd had to avoid the sides. I would tweak the code so the narrowing had a very large delay and I could leave it running for the whole class and then brag about my highscore :P

C. Ross

see where that tweaking has lead @IvoFlipse? Now you're posting questions on SO about Python and image analysis

Ivo Flipse

17:18

yeah, I must have missed my calling somewhere down the line :P

I guess it's due to IT education in high school being way too dull and theoretical

C. Ross

that happens to a lot of people

or they can't hack calculus

Jin

i only had a TI-81. i had a nice graphing program that plotted a Mickey Mouse.

Ivo Flipse

I suck at math, but luckily you only have to understand the effect of what your doing when you're programming

Jin

i love math. <insert racial stereotype here>

tzenes

I had a TI-83 I used to write adventure games on

C. Ross

17:24

:177112 What race are you, so I can get it right?

Ivo Flipse

if they had apps when I was in highschool, I probably would have gone the way of programming :P

Jin

i had one those fancy HP calculators. but it got stolen after 3 days. :( i never told my mom that, because it took her forever to save up $200 to buy it for me.

@CRoss Asian.

C. Ross

web design and math, you're hitting all the high points

:177125 sigh "please do the needful"

Jin

i also like photography, I love my Nikon

C. Ross

cool

you have a public gallery somewhere?

Ivo Flipse

17:27

@Jin what lense should I go for: 55-200 or 70-300mm? I just want to take fancy landscape pictures

C. Ross

there's an SE for that

Jin

you'd need wider angle then. i've been thinking about getting a Sigma 10-20mm

Ivo Flipse

this would be a shopping recommendation, which we obviously don't like

Jin

flickr.com/groups/sigma10-20

Ivo Flipse

well I first wanted a Telelense too shoot stuff far away

but first dinner time! bbl

LessPop_MoreFizz

17:36

:177137 But it's less of a reccomendation than it is an ask as to what tool is appropriate for a particular job. There's a right answer. It's not like you're asking what brand of lens. :P

Is this our first flatout Check the Gamefaqs?:

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6521/…

Jin

i wish we can get some of those flickr groups traffics to photo.se

radp

:177163 There was one earlier, I rephrased it completely

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/5049/revisions

radp

17:48

Holy shit, when Grace starts writing there's nothing stopping it.

Ivo Flipse

so why would you pick a wide angle over a tele-lens @Jin? I just figured that compared to my current 18-55, a 200mm would be nice for when I need something far way

I already ran into trouble with that when I was in Paris

C. Ross

:177181 Ref?

Jin

@IvoFlipse i just assumed you wanted wider angle landscape shots. those are my fav

@IvoFlipse i'm using my 18-105mm kit lens for now

Ivo Flipse

I guess I don't know what I want @Jin, just lot's of pretty pictures for my vacation memoirs :P

Jin

flickr.com/photos/jinny76/2876732631/in/set-72157607417611386

Ivo Flipse

17:55

nice pic @Jin :)

C. Ross

why is everything blocked as social networking?

Jin

thanks. i'll stop hijacking this room now.

Ivo Flipse

no worries, they're used to me doing it

C. Ross

you mean we actually talk about gaming in here?

Arda Xi

When we get really off-topic, we do sometimes.

radp

17:58

Just 5 more rep... so close and yet so far.

Ivo Flipse

ask a question @badp

radp

I have, earlier today <.<

Ivo Flipse

link

radp

6

A: How do you fully explore level 1 of the VVVVVV demo?

After spoiling myself and watching a few videos on Youtube I can say that yes, that's all that can be explored in the demo version. What the demo fails to explain is that actually you start a "level" by reaching its starting sector in free roam through the game's world. That is, the full version...

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