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SPArcheon

11:20

Seems more of a move to introduce the "corrupted glass" thing that was mentioned in the old weekend quicksilver events before the focus shifted to "expeditions".

SPArcheon

11:58

Notice that "glass" is mentioned in Artemis lore too.

also.... why I have this weird felling that I will log in the game only to discover that my main base planet now is a corrupted planet?

Memor-X

13:03

@SPArcheon don't think so. i think a universe structure is pre-generated in terms of terrain of planets. the on the fly generation i think is stuff like crashes, settlements and other events

like easy way to test the former is to save, go into a new system and see if the planets are different after a reload

while save scrumming is already a know tactic to get certain events such as distress calls being crashed ships to claim or settlements

@SPArcheon oh yeh it does mention that

Fredy31

Yeah if I had to guess id say that stuff is not pregenerated

and so they dont have to change things that are already generated

just like in minecraft: When they add new stuff it never changes what you already discovered; new ores or new stuff will only be found when you generate new chunks

SPArcheon

13:37

@Fredy31 Nope: NMS does NOT work like Minecraft.

In Minecraft generated chunks are saved, so even if the generation algorithm changes it will only affect newly generated chunks.

In NMS the planets have no form of persistence other than a small "local" implementation (that is probably there only so that you can't respaw resources just by going far enough). An hole you dug on a planet won't stay there.

This obviously brings a problem:

when they update world gen they can choose two paths:

- add MORE planets. Basically, by altering the system generation a system that had 2 planets can be extended to have 4. The new planets use a different generation algorithm. This option has been used for the updates that introduced huge changes, for example the Origin update.

> Existing solar systems have birthed new planets, creating millions of untouched new worlds to explore

- alter the generation algorithms for existing planets: this CAN change the nature of an existing planet even if the players has a base there.

Note that if you actually consider how the game works is quite evident that only these two options exist: either you add a NEW planet that wasn't there in the previous update or you modify EXISTING planets.

Consider this scenario: player A and B both discover Planet Alfa. Player A discovers the planet before the update, player B afterward.

They go online and both go to Planet A.

Do you really expect them to see different "versions" of the planet?

see for example this: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/739857-no-mans-sky/75472934

Fredy31

14:55

Never played NMS but thinking about it; isnt the point of the game you go on a planet, do a little exploring/getting ressources, and then move on?

you dont really have a base you go back to over and over and over again?

so a planet you previously explored changing is not that big an issue?

SPArcheon

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Batophobia

One of the updates added base building

SPArcheon

does this answer your question?

Batophobia

There's teleporters and stuff to easily get back and everything

SPArcheon

you DO move, but since you have teleporters you will pick a planet as "home" and build stuff there. Minecraft style

Fredy31

15:13

hunh ok so yeah, your home planet suddenly being filled with bees would suck

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If I was in their pants i would probably put a condition that if the planet has a home base, it cannot be hit with the update

or even that any discovered planet may not change

by your messages it felt like the previous major update added planets, but didnt poof any out of existance

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 see above. How would that work with online?

Fredy31

Would guess its a non possibility. The server gives the planet, i would be surprised if it was locally stored.

So if you go online both will have the same planet

SPArcheon

two different players could end up with different versions of the same planet.

Fredy31

And I would guess NMS is an 'always online' game anyways

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 not at all.

Fredy31

15:17

Like I said, its probably not locally stored. The server gives the planet on entry

And if you go online from a savefile that wasnt, then you are getting the updated information

Server takes priority over local

SPArcheon

nope, makes no sense.

You can enable online --while playing--

I know because I had to do that during the Utopia expedition because some milestones required you to upload a base.

all the generation is on your side.

Fredy31

would guess that when offline the only player modifications you have access to are those you discovered, any modifications you make will be uploaded to the server when you connect. And if 2 players happened to discover the same planet, the first to log in and 'post' the information gets the priority

and if 2 people make a base on the same planet, I guess the 2nd one to log in would get overwritten

SPArcheon

The server just sends you data about bases that someone made and then "published" online. Or the position of other players if you manage to find someone (usually because you agreed to meet at a specific spot)

there is no "server side version of the planet"

Fredy31

there is if you uploaded your base

or i guess the part of the planet its on

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 this.

the base is only one zone of the planet.

Fredy31

15:25

but at that point, here is how it deals with it when you login:

If, on the server, when it looks up that planet's zone, its empty, it will write your base in it.

If its not empty, I would guess its takes another zone on the planet and sticks your base there.

You probably would get an error if somehow all regions on a planet are taken

And I would guess for discoveries, its first come, first served

or you always get your local, but on the server it could be different, if 2 people registered the same planet

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 look, I don't know how the game manages to handle two bases in the exact same spot, I guess the game would refuse to send you the info about the other one.

Fredy31

Like if I register it as Butts, you register it as 'Pen island' and you connect first to upload your modifications to the database:

For everybody its gonna be Pen island, for me it will be butts

SPArcheon

But we are missing the point.

Fredy31

there is probably conditions on how to marry information, and we will never know except if we test it out

at the end it could be something stupid like 'anybody that tries to upload over some already existing information is let upload over'

SPArcheon

If I go to a planet before the update and at the time it was a lush planet, but the update cause it to change to a volcanic planet then a new player would see a vulcanic planet.

Fredy31

15:28

there are so many planets maybe they didnt put in any logic because they tought it would not happen in a few thousand years

yeah to go back to the og point: I would guess planets registered or planets that have a base on it are exempt from the update

there is probably a filter

or it will just happen, and they will give you a free move of your uploaded base somewhere else

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 HHHAAAAAAAA! angry noises. You miss the point! If I never uploaded my base your reasoning means that the planet would be exempt ONLY FOR ME and that would cause a mess when I go online and meet someone who went to that planet AFTER the update.

Fredy31

So that pushes me into the theory that all planets will be updated, base or not

SPArcheon

Furthermore, like I already said, there is plenty of posts online with messages like "My planet changed after update XYZ"

Fredy31

but to keep the pitchforks down, probably they will offer you a free move or something

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 "probably they will offer you a free move or something" - wait, are you assuming you have to PAY for the base? As in ... real money?

Fredy31

15:33

@SPArcheon So you got your answer: no protections, no nothing, if you are bad lucky and the planet updates, your precious planet is gone

its the roleplay of it all, you are stuck in that cataclysm, and you can't do shit about it

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 Oh, I already knew that. It is @Memor-X who apparently thinks you are "protected" :P

Fredy31

not pay but people that spent hours making their base a full recreation of the Luigi's Mansion mansion would be pissed

SPArcheon

I am fully aware of that, I was explaining the things to you folks.

@Fredy31 that is why I think that either those are NEW planets, or planets that were already "corrupted" in a way before.

For example they could have converted some of the "aggressive sentinels" planets to "corrupted sentinels"

Fredy31

@SPArcheon The comments that say this makes me think any planet is on the chopping block

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