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Yuuki

2:03 AM

fifth island is the worst

Memor-X

2:37 AM

this Pokemon Snap? is it because it's got barely anything in it?

Yuuki

3:02 AM

@Memor-X nah, the illumina pokemon is the worst

Lazers 2.0

4:34 AM

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Q: How much Lore/Story is currently available in Diablo Immortal?

So at this stage, Diablo Immortal has been released into Alpha for the general public. After having played it a bit, I found that it was not for me. However, I am an avid follower of the Lore and Story in the Diablo series, and am very keen to know what Immortal adds to the storyline. For example...

diablo-immortal

ExpertCoder14

5:13 AM

@Wrigglenite Why did you rollback 385618?

Yuuki

@ExpertCoder14 changes the entire intent of the question

ExpertCoder14

@Yuuki What do you mean? More specific

Yuuki

asker should just ask a new question instead of editing that existing question

@ExpertCoder14 the original question asked for game identification

the edited version asked for how to acquire that game

completely different questions

ExpertCoder14

@Yuuki I did believe they were closely related enough that I would see merit in them editing instead of posting anew

Yuuki

it changes intent and it changes the answer space. plus, what's the harm in asking as a new question?

ExpertCoder14

5:19 AM

I believe in reduce reuse recycle for Q&As

Rather than trash and start anew

Yuuki

every time

ExpertCoder14

I'm not talking about chat message

Chat and Q&A are so different.

Just because I want one thing for one doesn't mean I want the same thing for another

Yuuki

I'm not sure how recycling pertains to Q&A posts.

ExpertCoder14

I saw some relationship between the old question and the new

So I thought editing them was okay

Like if they changed it to a completely different game obviously that would be off

But if they ask what the game is, then they figure it out, now they want to know how to get it? I'd say editing to list updates is a better choice

Yuuki

Why?

What value do you get out of editing instead of asking a new question?

Not to mention that you're essentially deleting the original question.

ExpertCoder14

5:23 AM

It's more efficient then deleting and reposting.

Yuuki

How so?

ExpertCoder14

Editing is one action.

Deleting and reposting is two.

If you want to cancel one question and provide another, just edit it. More efficient, and not like anyone will care.

Yuuki

Two button presses is not much time and energy saved. Arguably, it generates more problems because now we're arguing about site policy that's already been nailed down.

ExpertCoder14

Well either way I think the subjects of the two versions are close enough to warrant editing

Yuuki

And clearly, three people are already caring: the moderator that reverted the change, you since you brought it up, and now me because I agree that the change should've been reverted.

ExpertCoder14

5:26 AM

Well, either way I still want to see that question reopened in its edited state. What should I do?

Yuuki

Tell the user to ask it as a new question.

Alternately, ask it yourself.

ExpertCoder14

Meh, I would prefer something to do with the current one, but whatever. I'm starting to agree with you on some parts.

Some of your statements are starting to make sense now that I think about it.

But where do we draw the line between what is similar enough to warrant editing?

Yuuki

My rule of thumb is to look at how much the edit would change the acceptable answers for that question. In this case, the question asked "what game is this?". Acceptable answers would include the name of the game. The edit changed the question to "how do i get this game?". The name of the game wouldn't be an acceptable answer to that question.

ExpertCoder14

So if they changed even just one minor detail that would invalidate existing answers, it wouldn't be a good edit?

Yuuki

That edit wasn't changing a minor detail.

ExpertCoder14

5:31 AM

I agree with you.

Yuuki

"what is this" is not a minor difference from "how do i get this"

ExpertCoder14

I mean in general

I'm not concerning that question anymore

So in general if they changed even just one minor detail that would invalidate existing answers, it wouldn't be a good edit?

Yuuki

If you're looking for hard and fast rules, then I can't give you one. One, I'm not a moderator. Two, I don't really agree with hard and fast rules.

Discussion is an important tool to use when participating in a community-run site. I probably came off really curt and rude earlier. And for that, I apologize.

But you did the right thing. You saw that there was an action that you disagreed with. And you asked for clarification.

And we talked about what we both consider is the proper action.

ExpertCoder14

I honestly don't know anymore. Your statements make sense, but there's something in my gut that tells me that editing the question would be better.

I can see both sides of this equation, and now you've got me split.

Yuuki

Well, the contention is that preserving the edit would improve efficiency. I'm not sure what metrics you're using, but I would assume it's that some memory space is saved on the servers?

And it's less effort to edit a question than it is to ask a new question.

For the first point, users really shouldn't concern themselves about how much server space their questions take up. That's something for Stack Exchange employees to worry about. In all likelihood, the memory cost between one or two questions is likely so miniscule as to be completely negligible. The same goes for the amount of effort spent on editing vs. asking a new question.

As for the downsides to allowing radical edits, the chief one is that you're essentially deleting the old question. There could be value in the original question that's lost when a radical edit changes the entire intent of the question.

Now this question in particular was likely going to be closed. But there's value in leaving questions closed and how would we decide when it is acceptable to completely change the intent of a question?

ExpertCoder14

5:46 AM

As I saw it, they had a similar problem, and I guess they thought it would be more efficient to edit.

If server space is not an issue, obviously the path of least resistance would be to post anew, meaning not closed and 0 votes

Perhaps they edited the question because they thought there were no answers yet so nobody would mind if it was changed.

@Yuuki My response to that would be, is it okay to change the context of the question if there are no answers yet?

Because if your rule of thumb is to look at whether it would invalidate answers, what if there are no answers?

Yuuki

@ExpertCoder14 For me, the rule applies whether or not the question has answers or not. For the most part, you can guess what kind of answers would be acceptable for a question without actually knowing the answer.

ExpertCoder14

Now let's go back to that question that started all this.

Yuuki

Asking a new question is the choice that presents the least problems. In accepting comprehensive edits, there's so many conditions that need to be satisfied to make sure that the least amount of harm is created for both of the questions. It's honestly just less of an issue to just ask a new question.

ExpertCoder14

What if the question was not closed when they made their edit?

Might they have been able to get away with editing?

Yuuki

Likely not.

ExpertCoder14

5:54 AM

So it would get reverted in some way, even if there has not been any interaction with it yet?

Yuuki

That's the decision I would've made if I came across that in the edit queue.

ExpertCoder14

Wdym edit queue

OP edits don't require approval

Do you mean some sort of universal edit log?

Yuuki

I don't recall all the moderator tools, so I'm not sure if that's one.

Never been a moderator, so I wouldn't know.

ExpertCoder14

Yes, I see that. However if you want to replace your question with another when there has been absolutely no interaction with it so far (votes, comments, anything else), to me it just feels wrong to delete and repost it.

I don't know why I feel that way. Maybe it's my habits about reuse rather than start-over.

ExpertCoder14

6:09 AM

@Yuuki Okay, I believe that's all discussed for now, so I'll leave it at that. I'll pay more attention in the future instead of just assuming

Thank you for your time.

murgatroid99

6:24 AM

There's no question shortage. SE is not running out of disk space to store questions (and revisions take up space anyway). There's no value to reusing a question ID number the way there is to reusing physical things. And if you're changing a question that much, it's mostly detrimental to have it hang on to the comment and vote baggage of a different question.

Nzall

7:19 AM

We got an issue with our firewall at work, so I can't VPN into work

I've been sitting here for over an hour watching Youtube videos while waiting for our sysadmin to fix it

Lazers 2.0

9:43 AM

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Q: What do the numbers in brackets mean after City/Village on the RRT player aid card?

The Railroad Tycoon player aid card shows the industries that produce certain goods, and the places that consume them. However, after "Village" and "City" is sometimes a number in brackets: What does the number mean?

railroad-tycoon railroad-tycoon-deluxe

Lazers 2.0

10:35 AM

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Q: How does Taal's Twinned Arrow work?

The Chaos Wastes game mode boon, "Taal's Twinned Arrow" is described: Ranged attacks now fire one additional projectile. How does this work with weapons and career skills / ults where this description is not quite straightforward, like ranged attacks that don't have projectiles or have multipl...

warhammer-vermintide-2

Lazers 2.0

12:44 PM

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Q: Is it possible to connect an Xbox 360 wireless controller to the Xbox one s wireless receiver for PC?

I got 2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers for my PC . I'm considering that the xbox 360 controller wont connec to the xbox one s receiver (meaning the 360 controller will be phased out soon and games might use a new XInput api that's incompatible with the 360 controller)

controllers xbox

andrybak

12:59 PM

Does anybody know why GTA: San Andreas is trending on Twitter today?

Wipqozn

1:15 PM

← 1 message moved from This Is Fine

Nzall

1:28 PM

@andrybak apparently someone made a "Rank these 4 games" tweet with Vice City, San Andreas, GTA 3 and GTA 5 and San Andreas was picked up for the trending because most people used the full name

And a significant amount of people even replaced GTA V with GTA IV because they think GTA V sucks

andrybak

@Nzall thanks

Memor-X

1:44 PM

Between 3, Vice City and San Andreas the latter of the 3 was the best, particularly the gang warfare and the riots in Los Santos and the airfield out in the desert

just a shame that you couldn't do the gang warfare in the other cities and the vanilla riots were limited to just Los Santos. but it was made up by having cheats to expand the riots though the entire area and giving civilians any weapon. the airfield became the only refuge an even then now and again a fire would just spawn

Gang Warfare in Los Santos in the middle of a riot, at night, in a sandstorm with civilians with M4's, SMG's and Rocket Launchers made for really chaotic gang fights

Nzall

@Memor-X I've tried so many times to play San Andreas, but I never can get into it properly

Like, it kinda feels outdated at this point

Lazers 2.0

2:53 PM

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Q: Command Block working after breaking it

Recently I made a command block teleporting player to specific cords but i accidentaly turned it ON and I was stuck in a loop. I destroyed the command block with setblock but it still executed commands. I checked it with NBT Editor and it wasn't in the region files but still worked Please help

minecraft-commands

ToxicFrog

San Andreas was incredible when it came out but these days Saints Row exists which makes it harder to recommend

Memor-X

@Nzall i used to play it on the XBox back when i was still in high school and didn't have alot of games (or the money to buy them) so it sorta engrained into me

@ToxicFrog Saint's Row you can really get OPed with the bonuses so the rsik is greatly reduced when you make things get crazy

i remember doing this challenge where i had Sandstorm, Riot, Give civilians any weapon and Civilians attack you (ie. they seem to gun just for you) and tried to escape Los Santos while underfire from everything

died so many times from a rocket getting me from behind when i finally got to a car

in Saint's Row, that's a Tuesday

Lazers 2.0

3:19 PM

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Q: what does the egg for a sandstorm dragon look like?

I have no clue how to breed it nor what dragons to use to breed it or what the egg looks like for it to know if its the right dragon.

technical-issues cheats dragonvale dragonvale-world

SaintWacko

4:01 PM

Man, I need to play Factorio and Elite Dangerous again at some point

Tim Post

I'd love to play some Factorio again in the near future.

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Unable to connect to FACEIT CS:GO servers.No AV,no firewall,good network connection

I'm new to faceit and almost each time I want to play I'm forced to join a server(mostly german ones,while I live in middle-east) which is unreachable for me.I can ping the server of course but I get retrying public(...) messages in console and finally fail to join the match,an as the result I ge...

counter-strike-global-offensive competitive-gaming

Wipqozn

@TimPost I played it once, and realized that it would eat up waaaay too much of my time so I never ended up buying it. Quite a few of my buddies have over 500 hours in it. The archer loving porkchop @fredley has over 1000.

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