The Bridge

oh.. steam sale and I'm almost broke because of summer break. To hell with holidays >.<

SaintWacko

Well, looks like I'm going to Michigan on Fourth of July Weekend

user15026

Is this a yay thing?

I'm going... to work

@dly yay, I'm also broke

user15026

9:33 PM

Concentrating at work is all but impossibel right now

broke gang, broke gang

SaintWacko

@Ash Yes, just sorta last minute :P

user15026

Like I just can't.

user15026

Getting through tomorrow is gonna be torture

user15026

@SaintWacko well, yay then! :D

9:33 PM

@Ash is everything okay?

Thank God I don't have to be concentrated at work all the time. The temps would kill me if I had to

@Ave I think it's the last day before their husband arrives

aah

I should hang out here more

user15026

@Wrigglenite you would be correct

@Ave I blame the lack of starred messages

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9:37 PM

@Ave yep, stop flying around the globe every day :P

user15026

Tomorrow is my last day of work before I have an ENTIRE WHOLE HUSBAND IN MY HOUSE.

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@Wrigglenite we ought to fix that, cc @Ash

oops, you ninja'd.

Ronan

@Wrigglenite Does that help?

user15026

giggles you guys are dorks.

user15026

I love you all.

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9:38 PM

@dly ah, I wish I was flying around the globe more often than I do

@Ash I don't like to speak on behalf of a group but I'm sure that everyone agrees with this, so... We, as your family here at bridge, love you too, @Ash.

@Ave I see you talking about airports a lot, so I thought you do already

SaintWacko

@Ave Seconded

@dly no, I just am having a wild week or so

@Ave I'll add my voice to this, so you don't have to speak for me

I'm on tour every 2nd week and that is already enough

user15026

9:40 PM

@Ave Aww, that's making me wobbly in the best way. :D

a friend is staying over at our place for this week (hence why last airport troubles, so that we could welcome her), a friend is coming from $city tomorrow and I'm excited etc

also I have important business tomorrow that's going to be at a time when I'm not home

let's just hope that I can do it over mobile data

and no one gets too angry at me

user15026

I hope it all works out and that you have fun with your friends!

honestly I just want to lie down for a whole month rn lol

work is wild, personal life is wild

@Ave If you ever go via Düsseldorf or Frankfurt, give me a call :P I know a few people there taking care about everything. Last time I checked in I went directly to the plane after customs.

it would require an extra badge to bypass customs.. meh

ah my current employer is ~~too much of a cheapstake~~ not very keen at sending us abroad, so when I do travel it's inside the country, going to clients and all

but it's very likely that I'll go to ccc and that might involve either of those airports

so if it does, I'll ask for your help, thanks!

9:44 PM

We travel by bus if its less than half a day of bus travel xD

almost never by train and long distance by plane

we usually go by car

unless it's far-ish

Nzall

When you're trying to be different so you put the expiration date on your relish in the Julian calendar

ankara, which is 4-6 hours by car, is far, and we go by plane in such cases.

we're like 30-40 people.. cars would make no sense :D

Nzall

That expiration date means: "the 140th day in 2020 in the Julian calendar" btw

9:46 PM

@Nzall that doesnt look like relish

Nzall

twitter.com/Tesco/status/1143449559722594306

@Dragonrage It's the sauce that came with the british hamburger

@dly that's a lot of buses

or, like, 2

@Ave just one actually

if its full, our vans carrying the equipment take the remaining peeps, but thats hardly the case

@Nzall maybe relish means something else in other countries

user15026

Relishes can be all sorts of things

user15026

9:53 PM

I've seen tomato relishes and peach relishes and zucchini relishes and so on

user15026

Relish just usually seems to be "slightly chunky sauce thing"

Private Pansy

@Ash I'm not sure if I relish the thought of eating peach relish

user15026

giggles

@Ash, mind if I poke you to talk about life stuff?

Slightly related, but learning food names as a non-native can be a nightmare

9:54 PM

p sure for most people in the usa relish means pickle relish

user15026

@Ave Go ahead, you know where to find me :D

@Wrigglenite yep! :D

steam?

user15026

@Wrigglenite Oh, I can only imagine

user15026

@Ave Steam or discord, whichever works

9:54 PM

@Wrigglenite learning english can be a nightmare

@Dragonrage thats actually easy, compared to french or german (even as a native)

@dly for french, its easy. just dont pronounce half the letters and you probably nailed it :P

Hi

@Dragonrage yea :D

Anyone have recommendations for good puzzle games on Switch? I haven't played many in a while

9:57 PM

for german, i think you just smash a bunch of words that describe whatever it is you are talking about into one word, and it will probably be close

disclaimer, i know very little french or german

@Dragonrage almost, yes :P (I'm native german and also know some french)

and sometimes its easier to say something in english instead of german.. even as a native >.<

Private Pansy

So do the French call French Fries "Our Fries"?

@Ash Extrapolating, by next month you'll have over 40 husbands in your house

user15026

@PrivatePansy If that's how this works I am gonna need a bigger house

@PrivatePansy "frites", but I wouldn't be surprised if they did

user15026

@Stormblessed I don't know if Yono and the Celestial Elephants (nintendo.com/games/detail/…) counts but I loved it and it is hella cute

Wipqozn

10:13 PM

@Yuuki Didn't you break into @InvaderSkoodge house, take his children hostage, and said you'd only return them if he changed his name?

Welp. Bitburner is eating my brain.

Wipqozn

@AlexMyers holy snap, crackle and pop. I thought you meant you were getting 60 rep from it (aka +6 score), not that it was at +60 votes.

I feel like that indicates MS needs to make their UI better. Or something.

Also I just tuned into this pokemon run, and it's pretty rad.

I guess people are making donations that match their favourite pokemon number?

And it's raking in the donations.

They're currently sitting at close to 400k donations.

@ToxicFrog Oh, I just looked it up and went to the website...this tutorial is intimidating

@Stormblessed it's a very niche game for which the target playerbase is basically "people who enjoyed Uplink and who also know, or are willing to learn, JavaScript"

@Wipqozn thats pretty cool. unfortunately most of the games i want to watch are at inoppurtune times for me to watch :( will have to catch the vods of a lot of the runs

10:17 PM

Which (un)fortunately describes me pretty well

I'm on iteration 3 and I have a master program that automatically discovers and root all available systems on the network and uses their processing power to hack millions of dollars per second so that I can fund my intense addiction to cybernetic augments

user15026

@ToxicFrog aka very you

Wipqozn

The stream is currently dying though

This game seems cool

(I was playing Boxboy, which this is only a few levels of complexity above :P)

@Ash pretty much, although I could wish for a different implementation language

user15026

@ToxicFrog yeah, that was the only part I wasn't sure how much was your jam

10:24 PM

I think I've written more JS for this game than for anything else in my life and it's taken me from being kind of abstractly unimpressed with async/await to actively despising it

I mean, the game does have a command to download code from your computer into the game, so if this gets too annoying I can always look into other languages that compile into JS~

@ToxicFrog What kind of issues are you having with async/await?

@murgatroid99 from a programming perspective (not implementation, I know), it's like coroutines, except an error-prone pain in the ass

You can't just yield, you have to annotate any function that might yield and any function that might call that function all the way up the call chain

And you have to specially annotate the call sites of those functions in ways that restrict how they can be used

Well, not exactly. You can always just threat the return value of an async function as a promise and then use it in a non-async function

And if you forget the call-site annotation, maybe you're lucky and you get a type error because you got a future<T> instead of a T, or maybe you're unlucky because you didn't use the return value and your program just silently stops working.

Or you can manually wrangle the returned futures, which defeats the entire purpose

Coming from languages like lua where you can yield() at any point and with no special handling or annotations as long as coroutine.create() was called at some point in the past, this is shockingly bad.

I assume there is some compelling implementation or compatibility reason why the JS designers had to settle for this, but ick.

When I use it, I think it helps to treat them as separate things: async makes a function return a promise that asynchronously resolves to the return value, and await lets you yield and then get the resolved value of that promise

@ToxicFrog If you expect language features to be the same as different features from different languages, you're always going to be disappointed

10:31 PM

In practice you can't treat them separtaely, though, because any function that awaits must be marked async, and any async function must either be awaited or have the returned future manually handled.

That's not my complaint and if you think it was you really haven't been reading, or I haven't been expressing myself clearly.

You know, it probably helps that I work in TypeScript, where you get clear visibility and type checking for "this function returns a Promise, this other function returns just a value"

Yeah, this is just plain shoot-from-the-hip JS

@ToxicFrog My point is that you have choices to do something other than await on the result of async functions, and you can await on Promises from other sources

It's true that you can only await in async functions, because yielding with an await statement necessarily makes the function finish asynchronously

And I think my complaint can basically be boiled down to: there's lots of stuff that returns promises to get around the fact that JS execution isn't yieldable or preemptable; async/await encourages you to treat those functions as coroutine yields instead, which is sometimes convenient (and is, in particular, meant to be more convenient than chaining .andThen()); however, it's really bad and frustrating

at that if you're used to real coroutines rather than a syntax sugar for state machine transformations that just tries to look like them.

I think trying to shoehorn JS's async/await functionality into the model of coroutines is not helping you understand how to approach using them. It's just its own thing

The async/await model is more like a standard call stack, except that other unrelated things can happen concurrently

10:44 PM

Yes, I know that.

My objection is not that I don't understand what they do, or how they are implemented, or what they replace, or how to use them.

My objection is that actually using them requires a pile of boilerplate and introduces a bunch of new and exciting failure modes that will if you're lucky result in a runtime exception, and if you're unlucky will just hard-lock the browser tab and/or silently fail to do important things.

(I'm also unclear on how you think "it's more like a standard call stack, except that other unrelated things can happen concurrently" meaningfully distinguishes between coroutines, async/await, and preemptable threads)

Anyways. I'm going to walk along the lake now, and when I get back I will hopefully have enough Tian Di Hui reputation to buy their entire stock of augments and shove them into my head.

@ToxicFrog With coroutines and preemptible threads, you can have function call A yield to function call B, and then go back and forth within those two function calls. With async/await, you can have A await on B, and then other stuff can happen in the mean time, but no more of A will run until B has finished.

MilkyWay90

Any Geometry Dash players here?

Sterno

Tried to buy 4 games I don't even need on steam. Store keeps timing out. THANKS FOR SAVING ME FROM MYSELF, VALVE

MilkyWay90

If so, did you know that Geometry Dash can be used for programming?

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A: Halt with 50% non-Halting

Geometry Dash 2.2 Editor Glitch - 2 objects Explanation: The random trigger randomly toggles (disables) Group ID 1 or 2 with a 50% chance. The purple pad is on reverse mode (meaning that if the cube touches it, the cube moves backward, which goes to the left forever and ever.). Since the p...

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A: Duck, duck, goose!

Geometry Dash World 2.2 Editor - 4 objects Explanation: The BG trigger is the current 2.2's random trigger, so it either toggles the Group ID 1 or 2. The first "DUCK" has a group id of 1, which makes it have a 50% chance of being removed or not (toggled). There is no object with the Group I...

And the only hard one

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A: Add two numbers

Geometry Dash - 15 objects Finally done. 15 objects aren't much, but it was still a nightmare to do this (especially because of the negative numbers). Because I would have to insert 15 images here for how to reproduce this, I just uploaded the level. The level ID is 5216804. The description t...