The Bridge

Gnoupi

13:00

(X3 terran conflict was with Tages, they removed it a year after, that's why i ask)

Gnoupi

(but anno being from Ubi, I doubt it)

alexanderpas

:73221 I'm twice the worth of you. steamcalculator.com/id/alexanderpas

Arda Xi

holy shit

Gnoupi

:73239 complete packs help indeed

Ivo Flipse

you work at Ubisoft @Gnoupi? :P

Gnoupi

13:02

no, but they are not really going in the good direction with DRM recently, so.

Ivo Flipse

ah ok

uhh @ArdaXi does FroydVillain check your SDcard for apps by any chance? since I already had apps2sd, it automagically installed everything back apparently

alexanderpas

:73234 No additional DRM besides steam I believe (and no mention of it on the store page.)

Arda Xi

err, I'm not sure if you should've wiped that beforehand, but I think so, yes

ahh, a steel chain is furniture

should've known

alexanderpas

anyways UBI has a DRM boycott from me since settlers 7, not buying anything new from UBI on PC anymore.

Gnoupi

@alex - store.steampowered.com/app/33210

Gnoupi

13:12

3rd-party DRM: TAGES™
3 machine activation limit

alexanderpas

(I should read better)

Gnoupi

it's annoying, Anno 1404 is a good game, but such DRM politic is too annoying to agree with. Well, anyway, it's not like if I didn't have other games. Busy skydiving/grappling jets/parachuting/exploding stuff currently

alexanderpas

/me agrees, no more new UBI games on PC for me.

Noctrine

UBIs DRM is fun. You can't play games you purchased without an internet connection, so awesome.

Gnoupi

anyone else waiting for/wondering about the Worms reloaded?

alexanderpas

13:16

already preordered.

Team17++

Downvoter

:73294 That's why I don't buy games from them

Gnoupi

My problem is that the only recent worms I played, on console, were on psp and ds. This worms is supposed to be close to the one on PS3 and Xbox

Arda Xi

@JuanManuel I've told you about the server browser already didn't I?

Gnoupi

so I don't know if they made correct physics or not, finally

Gnoupi

on psp it's slow, slow, and not really pleasant

Downvoter

13:18

:73309 the what?

C. Ross

Does worms need correct physics?

Gnoupi

on ds, I suspect it's adapted from the original pc game

alexanderpas

just imagine worms armageddon/world party

Arda Xi

:73312 l4d2's serverbrowser

Downvoter

ahh

Downvoter

13:18

my question...

Downvoter

If you did, I don't remember

Arda Xi

hmm, must've been the alien swarm question

alexanderpas

DS and PSP are low-end devices, ps is high end (for worms)

Downvoter

I have this problem with all games :P

Arda Xi

basically you can enter openserverbrowser in the console to select servers based on latency

Downvoter

13:19

ahh, yes, it was in alien swarm

Downvoter

I remember now

Gnoupi

i mean, the DS one has great feeling, surprisingly, because they copied from pc. I was afraid they slowed down a bit the game in the other console ones, like on psp

Arda Xi

well, Alien Swarm is based on L4D2

Gnoupi

but ech, it's team 17, on pc... let's be confident

Gnoupi

and enough chatting for today, back to work.

alexanderpas

13:23

this question is going to get out of hand:

6

Q: Do you know of alternative Nes Flashcarts?

My beloved NES cartidges are getting pretty old, and some of them have been functioning sporadically recently. Do you know of other backup alternatives other than RetroZone's PowerPak? It's pretty expensive, is it the only alternative?

actually, it already did twice...

Downvoter

I already deleted 2 answers

Arda Xi

I don't see it getting out of hand any more, unless someone else suggests downloading ROMs

C. Ross

we'll just keep an eye on it

this question needs to go

1

Q: Are there any PC games like Jedi Power Battles?

There was a game I used to play on the DreamCast called something like Jedi Power Battles. Is there a version of that I could play on the PC not using an emulator? If not are there any other PC games that are like it? (Two player co-op with leveling characters.)

pc game-rec multiplayer star-wars

Noctrine

That entire tag needs to go :p

alexanderpas

name two "Two player co-op with leveling characters." games, and i will vote.

C. Ross

13:30

Battlefield Vietnam

Fable 2

Gnoupi

Borderlands

Noctrine

Like yesterday:

List of cooperative video games

The following is a list of computer and video games that feature cooperative gameplay. Note 1. To sort by multiple columns, start from the least-significant column first. E.g., to easily find specific genre results on a specific platform, first sort by genre, then sort by platform.Note 2. Simplified for efficient sorting. Follow or hover over the links to see more specific genre descriptions.Note 3. Available co-op content is limited in scope and doesn't simulate the entire single player campaign. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="margin-left:.6em; |- ! style="background: #CCCCCC; co...

C. Ross

:73365 satisfied?

Gnoupi

if you feel bad about your "game-rec", have a look at this: superuser.com/questions/tagged/software-rec

Gnoupi

and see that it not so bad :]

Noctrine

13:32

That's just worse :P

Downvoter

I think it's inevitable

Downvoter

the books site would have a book-rec

Downvoter

the cooking site a recipe-rec

alexanderpas

wait... so you can play HL2 co-op?

Downvoter

the tv shows site a show-rec

Downvoter

13:33

and so on and so forth

Noctrine

So Blacklist

*-rec?

Downvoter

or embrace it

Gnoupi

In my opinion these questions are ok and occasionally useful

Gnoupi

only ban the too vague ones

Gnoupi

but when it's specific, nothing against

alexanderpas

13:34

keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

C. Ross

We need to have a room dedicated to this discussion

Downvoter

5

A: Voting on the future of list of X questions

I think the major flaw in list questions is not only the size, but the approach that we take. I completely disagree with the popular approach of "one-per-answer" polling for list questions. I know, everyone loves the fun of the rating system that you can simulate with votes. However, I believe it...

C. Ross

because we have this fight three times a day

Downvoter

perhaps adapt the way we use the site

Downvoter

if it's inevitable, we should adapt

Gnoupi

13:35

oh, I'm mentioned in that question

alexanderpas

:73395 tl;ardra

Arda Xi

:73412 I kinda feel mentioned

alexanderpas

lol, ardra means "already read, didn't read again."

Arda Xi

ah

I only know tl;dr :P

alexanderpas

this is an adaption of that.

best answer ever:

74

A: "Must-Have" Open Source software?

Ubuntu Linux ! By the way, it includes Firefox, OpenOffice, Pidgin, GIMP,... :)

10v10 L4D2? how would that work? having Coach walking around three times?

Downvoter

13:58

is that "legal"? (in the sense of getting you account banned for using a modded server)

Arda Xi

nah, that's legal

Downvoter

not to close the question, just out of curiosity

Arda Xi

it's just sourcemod running on a server

which has been legal all the way from original CS

Downvoter

cool

Arda Xi

quick DF question: whether a dining room/quarters/office is meager or modest or whatever is decided by furniture/statues right?

C. Ross

14:01

total value of contents

alexanderpas

size also does matter, and also weither the walls and floor is smoothed/engraved.

C. Ross

furniture, statues, value of the stone floors (increased by smoothing), more if wall/floor is expensive (gold, gems, etc), value of engravings

Arda Xi

you can smooth floors as well?

I can't smooth my floors anyway

Ivo Flipse

meeh this is pure discussion to me

C. Ross

:73493 Yes you can, if they're stone

Arda Xi

14:15

oh yeah, now I see it, my engraver is just being lazy and taking breaks again

alexanderpas

dorfs taking a break is annoying... I want slave dorfs!

Arda Xi

my miner/engraver dorf takes way too many breaks though

DF keeps freezing, thank god for dfunstuck

alexanderpas

mabye you're giving him too much work ;)

Arda Xi

you know, I keep forgetting that these dwarfs think they're people

y'know, rather than slaves

alexanderpas

maybe we should try to get toady implement gobbo slaves, which you can buy from the caravan too. (won't happen)

Arda Xi

14:19

Oh, the bookkeeper and the leader got married, they're holding the reception at the siltstone table on the 1st of Granite

how is this not modest :/

alexanderpas

hmm... we need an independant accountant to verify the books... I get a feeling there is foul play.

Arda Xi

three statues, smoothed engraved walls

I have no idea what'll happen if I don't give the sheriff what he wants by the way

does he just fail his duties?

alexanderpas

he doesn't do his job.

Arda Xi

that's great

Downvoter

we need more catchy titles like this one

Downvoter

14:22

62

Q: How can I tell if a corpse is safe to eat?

I am playing a human wizard, and I just killed a monster, leaving a corpse on the ground. How do I tell whether it is safe to eat this corpse? I leave the monster unspecified because I am interested in "how can I figure out whether this is edible," rather than whether any particular monster is e...

roguelikes nethack

alexanderpas

you might want to smooth the wall bordering the water.

Arda Xi

I have no idea how to fill the meter further, I can't keep stuffing it with statues

Downvoter

it drew a lot of views from the SE homepage

Downvoter

:)

Arda Xi

:73544 I can't, it's dirt

can't smooth dirt

well, according to a mythbusters episode you can, but not according to this game

alexanderpas

14:24

well... that's a problem, dirt isn't very valueble...

Arda Xi

so I should build the room elsewhere?

alexanderpas

you might want to relocate that dorf.

Ivo Flipse

> I leave the monster unspecified because I am interested in "how can I figure out whether this is edible," rather than whether any particular monster is edible

very nicely described his question as well

Arda Xi

any way I can see what kind of stone I'll be digging in before I start digging?

C. Ross

no

alexanderpas

14:26

I can make modest out of a 3x3 full smoothened & engraved stone room and a stone chair.

Arda Xi

I need a modest office, a modest dining room and a modest quarters though

alright, hopefully mining 3 3x3 rooms in siltstone

hmm, all this smoothing should give her enough experience to become a pretty good engraver too

hmm, after all this talk about how Hard this game is, I was expecting a harder time

I've got it pretty easy so far, plenty of booze, plenty of foodstuffs

alexanderpas

just wait untill... you have 80+ dorfs

Arda Xi

oh right, more immigrants arrived

great, two engravers with plenty experience

great, a party. you're not supposed to party, you're supposed to work

well, the sheriff is finally happy

Ivo Flipse

14:55

oh my @ArdaXi the keyboard is really really snappy on 2.2

Arda Xi

are you using the stock keyboard or the htc mod?

Ivo Flipse

stock atm

wanted to go back to Swiftkey

but something went wrong (they were installed from the apps partition)

Arda Xi

that seems interesting, I'm gonna try it

Ivo Flipse

I had a modded version of Swype, but never got it working

Arda Xi

hm, I should probably update to the newest froydvillain

time to update my backups

Ivo Flipse

15:00

hehe, it seems I did something wrong, since it takes ages to find apps to pin to the homescreen

Downvoter

hmm... I closed that question but now I'm not so sure

Arda Xi

As stated in the thread

Downvoter

opinions?

Arda Xi

"REMEMBER the ROM will only be at peak performance after it's been rebooted a couple of times, and when you've opened your apps once prior. "

Downvoter

(there's another catchy title)

Ivo Flipse

15:01

yeah I'm noticing it @ArdaXi after adding a couple of apps, it's speeding up

Arda Xi

:73677 Yeah, it basically boils down to the same thing, although the other is more of a duplicate

Downvoter

the other as in the older one?

Arda Xi

yeah

Ivo Flipse

@JuanManuel if it turns out it's not a dupe, he will have to edit his version and add information making his question distinctly different

then you can reevaluate it and decide whether it should be reopened

C. Ross

:73680 Where would we be without nethack

Downvoter

15:03

:73688 duplicates work the other way around (new ones are always duplicates of older ones)

Arda Xi

I know, but this one is more generic, while the older one is more specific

Downvoter

:73695 ok, I'll leave it closed for now

Downvoter

wow, Grace types fast

Ivo Flipse

sockpuppet! :P

I'm reinstalling all apps that are buggy, that should fix it @ArdaXi

Arda Xi

that's what I have titaniumbackup for :)

Ivo Flipse

15:07

you didn't have 2.1 before it? since I went from a rom with apps2sd to this one, perhaps I should have wiped my apps partition :P

Downvoter

(also, I think the use was trying to post an answer for every special infected himself)

Arda Xi

yeah

I went from 2.1 to 2.2

but titaniumbackup reinstalls the apps and then restores the data

Ivo Flipse

> Wipe SD:Ext (If you have apps2sd and/or an ext partition)

guess that's what I did wrong

Arda Xi

so, you have froydvillain 1.1.9 right?

Ivo Flipse

yup

another issue is probably the over 100 apps I've got

Arda Xi

15:11

which kernel did you pick?

Ivo Flipse

good question

since I just picked the default installer

Arda Xi

it's like really big and bright blue on the thread

McKay

@tzenes grats on 4k rep

Ivo Flipse

I see it, I came from another thread I guess

614 mhz that's what it's running on apparently

352-614

Arda Xi

I'm just curious as to whether I need to flash it

yep, looks like it

Ivo Flipse

15:15

>
When you install this ROM, DO NOT USE GOOGLE BACKUP OR RESTORE. It really slows the ROM down, like all Froyo ROMs, and it uses loads of battery even when you think you're not doing anything. So it's not cool. So turn it off in the setup wizard

so I have to turn that off too

what's your linpack score? mine's 4.2

Arda Xi

I'm in recovery right now :)

Ivo Flipse

ah what kernel are you flashing it to?

Arda Xi

352-748 MHz

if it blows up I can always return to recovery and reflash

well, maybe not if it blows up... let's hope it doesn't come to that

Ivo Flipse

I'm going to give that 18-768 a try :P

Arda Xi

oh by the way, never apply a radio update, even if the ota updater tells you to

it's really easy to brick your phone with them

hmm, 19-768 will probably use less battery

Ivo Flipse

15:20

I already did a radio update, but downloaded it manually

Arda Xi

I bricked my phone with one

luckily HTC were nice enough to replace it for me

Ivo Flipse

:) I'm puttin all the kernels on my SD card and try them out

Arda Xi

that's weird.. it's never told me to nandroid over adb

Ivo Flipse

is flashing the kernel just a recovery option?

Arda Xi

ah well, just as easy

hm?

Gnoupi

15:24

27

Q: How to pray safely (to god)?

Can somebody please give me a good overview of the prayer system in Nethack? From what I understand, pray once and your god is more than happy to help you out, but if you pray again you get punished pretty severely for being so needy. Basically, how does Nethack prayer work?

roguelikes nethack

Gnoupi

this gaming site generates the best titles of all SE sites

Ivo Flipse

also drawing nice pageviews

quite some 1k+ views questions

Arda Xi

well, phone's reflashed again.. funny, I've only flashed VR roms, but I've still flashed about 10 different roms already

Gnoupi

@Ivo and @Arda - "Get a room", if you don't talk about the gaming site or gaming in general, in my opinion :]

3

Arda Xi

but.. I'm flashing my phone so I can play the newest 2.2 games!

Ivo Flipse

15:31

indeed! plus we do discuss games too, in between, should we be ontopic nonstop?

Arda Xi

16:03

Seems like not a real question as it stands

Ivo Flipse

well if he adds what his platform he's using it could be

McKay

And "tracked" is kinda vague

tzenes

16:37

I have noticed a patern

it is not completely consistent but it goes as follows

People find a game-rec question they like. They advocate game-rec (look at x, y, z). Eventually an argument takes place. They then start advocating trying to find a middle ground (well maybe we get rid of some game-rec but not all). Eventually, they start to look at the shear volume of game-rec and they finally decide, get rid of them all

it doesn't happen 100% of the time, but it is an emerging trend

Ivo Flipse

let's hope the trend will continue and good morning @tzenes!

C. Ross

16:54

We're making progress at least

anyone got a close vote to finish off

3

Q: Games for someone who loved Godfather: Blackhand Edition

My husband is not a huge gamer, but he loved Godfather: Blackhand Edition for the Wii. He's deleted his save game, started over, and beat the game at least four times since we've bought it and he's finally gotten bored with it. I can't think of another game of mine he's played more - I did try ...

game-rec wii third-person-shooter

It's on 4, and I don't want it to fade away

:74047 What is up with these question titles

Downvoter

They are great!

Downvoter

although the FBI will be visiting the SE headquarter soon...

McKay

I edited the question because I think it needs to be more clear, just in case the FBI is watching.

:D

Well, the details of the question, not the question title. That's awesome.

Downvoter

yes, nobody touch that title, it's perfect

McKay

yeah

C. Ross

17:14

> No job? Cupboard bare?
one room, no one there?
Hey, pal, don't despair-
You wanna shoot a president?
c'mon and shoot a president...

C. Ross

17:33

we still here?

all the sites are down ... :-(

McKay

I read you.

But the sites appear up

tzenes

Morning Ivo

McKay

I'm glad someone finally asked this question. The knowledge needs to spread!

C. Ross

:74252 Back up now ...

McKay

I must have just missed it then.

tzenes

18:09

@McKay you're still going through Battl.net you can't leverage your LAN for pingless games

Ivo Flipse

so the president question got killed?

Arda Xi

@McKay Whether that's a big issue or not definitely depends on what kind of connection (if any) your LAN is hooked up to

Ivo Flipse

Why do all Graces's answers make me feel humble and insignificant?

McKay

because she's **grace**ful :D

Macha

18:33

I think this is illustrative of the power of comments:

Would I have got as many upvotes if C. Ross had not posted that comment?

Arda Xi

@Macha You're just saying that because you got a compliment ;-)

3

Macha

11

Q: What is the accuracy of Hypnosis in a battle between Diamond and Platinum versions?

In Pokemon Diamond, Hypnosis has 70% accuracy. In Pokemon Platinum, it has 60%. In a battle between these two games, which value is used?

pokemon pokemon-fourth-gen

Maybe :P

Ivo Flipse

Hehe :P

btw @ArdaXi I ended up with more or less the stock values, all the others kernels weren't stable :(

Macha

/me hopes no one reads that and thinks "Yeah, I better downvote him now"

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse I reverted to my nandroid backup, it wouldn't boot

Ivo Flipse

18:34

naah, you even got yet another upvote for the shameless plug

Arda Xi

@Macha It's nice that you attribute it to @CRoss' comment and not your question though

He's right though, these are the kind of questions we want if we want to attract experts

Ivo Flipse

@ArdaXi do you play any Storm8 games?

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Maybe.. what's Storm8?

Ivo Flipse

World War, iMobster and the like on Android/iPhone

Arda Xi

nope

Ivo Flipse

18:37

forums.storm8.com/index.php

Arda Xi

according to their website it's just iPhone though

storm8.com/games

and seeing as I haven't had an iPhone for about a year now

Ivo Flipse

nope they're crossplatform

or Pocket Empires?

Arda Xi

nope, I haven't played a lot of mobile games lately

I usually only play those in school

you know, when I have nothing better to do

tzenes

I do not understand the purpose of rep whoring, your rep has no value to you

Arda Xi

sure it does

you get privileges

Ivo Flipse

18:42

yeah, that's why I play all the time

well it aint going help me get a job @tzenes :P

rather the contrary

systempuntoout

evening

tzenes

what privileges?

Arda Xi

especially 'moderation tools', it sounds like someone people really want to achieve

no matter how pointless they really are

tzenes

moderation tools are overrated

it just forms search queries for you

Ivo Flipse

hello @systempuntoout

Noctrine

18:43

Very

tzenes

there is no value in anything beyond the ability to up and down vote

Arda Xi

:74530 I said: "no matter how pointless they really are"

Ivo Flipse

my google-fu doesn't need moderation tools

tzenes

the only value reputation has is to other people

Ivo Flipse

all I need is the close votes tab perhaps

Arda Xi

18:43

The FAQ says: "At the high end of this reputation spectrum there is little difference between users with high reputation and ♦ moderators."

Noctrine

Those people can create value for you

Maybe not in Gaming

tzenes

Well the FAQ is incorrect

Noctrine

But on SO, and GD maybe :)

Arda Xi

which, albeit a lie, makes rep-whoring attractive

tzenes

I want that line stricken

well maybe I'm being harsh

I take it back

Arda Xi

18:45

well, no, it's a lie

plain and simple

tzenes

well the difference is that a Mod can cast multiple close/delete votes

and has the ♦

Arda Xi

mods can close and delete immediately

tzenes

Oh, and flags

Arda Xi

they get the emailaddresses of users

tzenes

yeah, multiple votes

do they get email address?

Noctrine

18:46

Yes

Arda Xi

aye

Ivo Flipse

the best diamond function is the single kill vote :P

Noctrine

The close and delete thing is a double edged sword. If I just close stuff people get mad ><

Ivo Flipse

yeah I now know where your house lives @tzenes

Noctrine

And open meta threads about me :p

Arda Xi

18:47

:74564 Which is a pretty big weapon

tzenes

ok, nm

I'm just upset about rep whoring

Arda Xi

:74568 Which you can then instantly close and delete

tzenes

forget I said anything

I'm 100% wrong

Arda Xi

rep whoring is going to happen either way

human nature

Ivo Flipse

Uncle Ben was right all along: "With great power comes great responsibility"

Arda Xi

18:48

@tzenes you're just annoyed you're at the top ;-)

Macha

Anyway, I promised myself I'd get some work done today.

Ivo Flipse

I'm promising myself that all week @Macha

Noctrine

I like the tried and true method of slacking and putting in a ton of hours during crunchtime.

:P

Woah, messages flipped order. The :P should be after the other one.

Arda Xi

I'm still trying to force myself to start to get into the Dokan library

McKay

@Noctrine It looks fine to me. Probably a bug.

tzenes

18:57

@ArdaXi well that too, someone should really pass me already

Arda Xi

Hey, someone finally passed me

tzenes

what the hell are you all doing, get out there and answer questions

Arda Xi

thanks by the way

tzenes

np

unfortunately its like Old Maid

in that I'm now the Old Maid

or, more accurately, the loser with no life

Arda Xi

hey!

okay, you're right :(

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