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alexanderpas

16:00

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Q: Do we use abbreviations in genre names? [Completed]

I know this has been asked about games, but what about genres? [rts] - 4 (one closed) - 0 [real-time-strategy] - 3 7 [tbs] - 0 [turn-based-strategy] - 8 [rpg] - 6 [mmorpg] - 6 Longer forms - 0 (leave alone as per answers) [first-person-shooter] - 1 18 [fps] - 18 0 For SEO purposes, the full ...

tzenes

in the larger community framerate is synonymous with fps

so we have inconsistency regardless

using the term framerate is an alternative but inconsistent

Arda Xi

I didn't realise consensus was already reached

Mechko

This is a gaming site, lets assume that people here are gamers or want to learn

Arda Xi

By that logic, old-games is also inconsistent because it isn't an acronym

alexanderpas

how about gog as acronym ;)

tzenes

16:02

I think our only consistency is being inconsistent

antony.trupe

good old game?

Arda Xi

regardless, as @alexanderpas already pointed out we do have consensus on meta

it just has to be carried out

tzenes

yes

alexanderpas

what a nice dinner break, and a meta search afterwards can do to a heated discussion.

tzenes

haha

alexanderpas

16:06

another reason why everything should be discussed on meta if you want to reach any kind of solution.

tzenes

ooo, grace made another good point on the question about lists

alexander it was

we were having a theorhetical discussion on justification

Just because policy is one way or another doesn't mean it shouldn't change

Mechko

I only saw the filibuster in the discussion

alexanderpas

even that can be done on meta, by adding an new answer, or even making a new question

Arda Xi

I'm just ashamed because I took part in that meta discussion and I didn't remember it :(

tzenes

@alexanderpas it doesn't hurt for us to hash our ideas out there

and @Mechko I resent that accusation

Arda Xi

16:09

I hate to have to suggest overcomplicated answers :/

tzenes

god damn, McKay must be trying to get the most edits humanly possible

@Arda don't feel bad, our site exists for expert answers, sometimes an expert answer is a complicated one

Arda Xi

The problem is that he also often edits questions he has no expertise in

I really want to talk to him privately about that, I can hardly open a meta discussion as a giant ad hominem post

alexanderpas

summon him to the chat, using the @ functionality (if possibly)

Arda Xi

that's a bit difficult as well

only possible in comments or if he's already on a channel

alexanderpas

comments might work.

Arda Xi

16:14

but where'd it be relevant

I can't comment on edits I've undone..

anyway, dinnertime

Ivo Flipse

oh god I feel dirty guys

I just bought an ipad

tzenes

yeah I did that yesterday

alexanderpas

I can't work without keyboard. (or physical keys)

tzenes

@ArdaXi comment in a question he edited and tell him to come find you in chat

you get used to the keyboard amazingly fast

I went from RIM to iPhone

it was shocking how quickly I got used to it

that said, iPhone is a PoS

never buy a phone from apple

Mechko

@IvoFlipse at least you got something for the $500 that apple stole from you

Apple just took my money and pretended it never happened

alexanderpas

16:23

I've got a Milestone (EU Droid)

tzenes

here is the problem with an iPhone, when it breaks (and it will) you can't call apple to tell them that your phone is broken...

I'm getting Droid X when they get back in stock

alexanderpas

just know what you're getting, those devices are locked-up.

if you don't require keyboard, go for the more open devices.

Ivo Flipse

I'm selling my ipad to my mom after I used it on my USA road-trip :P

alexanderpas

Why do i get the feeling, a netbook would have suited you better?

Ivo Flipse

I already own a laptop and a smartphone

and getting a smarter smartphone when the next batch of flagships comes out

I don't need a keyboard when I'm only consuming @alexanderpas

now if it were a netbook running android, I might be interested

alexanderpas

16:29

true.

Ivo Flipse

but I find Windows plainly unusable on such a screen

but I plan to ditch the iPad and get an Android version once they finally get around making one...

Mechko

Very important: don't leave your credit card linked to iTunes

Ivo Flipse

ill link my moms :P

but why not?

tzenes

I actually have a netbook and I don't like it

it has all the problems of a laptop

but worse

alexanderpas

Windows is Hell on netbooks in my opinion, but Ubuntu (Netbook Edition) is very nice.

tzenes

16:38

Laptop keyboard too small. well this is smaller. Touchpad not sensitive enough, well this one is less sensitive. Screen hard to read, here is a smaller one.

I don't know Linux (even Ubuntu) driver support on those things is flaky at best

Ivo Flipse

well the resolution sucks the most when the OS isn't adapted for it

alexanderpas

unless you go with those build with linux in mind.

Ivo Flipse

and Ubuntu is simply not an option

what the hell am I going to run on it?

other than a browser

tzenes

hey now, let's not get down on Ubuntu

it has music players

and wine

and vlc

Ivo Flipse

meeh

tzenes

16:41

what else do you use a laptop for?

Ivo Flipse

if the hardware is capable of properly video at all

my laptop? 'work'

tzenes

programming?

Ivo Flipse

though I don't need it at the moment, so I use my desktop

tzenes

office?

Ivo Flipse

don't even dare suggesting Open Office :P

alexanderpas

16:42

tzenes

I use open office on windows

all you have to do is remove Microsoft's dick from your mouth and its quite a pleasant experience

Ivo Flipse

I'm actually a fan of the new Ribbon UI

so you won't get make back :P

alexanderpas

OO.o runs perfect on my eeepc, and totally no driver problems anymore with the latest version.

Ivo Flipse

hehe, Microsoft's dick is in my boss's mouth, not mine @tzenes :P

tzenes

anyway, I should have left for work half an hour ago

so I got to run

:P

Ivo Flipse

16:43

bye :)

alexanderpas

I even run Dwarf Fortress on my netbook!

Ivo Flipse

hehe

does Starcraft 2 run on Ubuntu?

alexanderpas

It doesn't run on the netbook hardware, so your point is moot.

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Wine :)

Ivo Flipse

I was aiming at the laptop @alexanderpas

it's probably unfair, but I tried playing WoW on my laptop three years ago

under Ubuntu with wine

got it working, but the nvidia drivers were uber crap

Arda Xi

16:46

three years ago Wine was a lot more unstable

Ivo Flipse

I might give it another try some day

alexanderpas

yes, it runs. GOLD appdb.winehq.org/…

Ivo Flipse

but I never had a problem with having to use Windows, since I never had to pay for it

Arda Xi

there is that

Ivo Flipse

only after using Android, I seriously miss apps on other OSes

I know Chrome on Windows offers me nearly everything I want

alexanderpas

16:48

Chrome on linux is availble!

Ivo Flipse

but it's more the 'single purpose' apps that look slick and most importantly are very easy to find

alexanderpas

Ubuntu Sofware Center.

Ivo Flipse

other than games, I guess you don't really need Windows anymore, no

alexanderpas

Ivo Flipse

I know about it, I might not USE Linux, but I do read tech news :P

alexanderpas

16:50

You only need windows for certain games.

Linux has SERIOUS improved over the last two/four years

I just hope so Valve is going to work together with Canonial and bring Steam to Ubuntu, and make us able to play all those SteamPlay games on Linux

C. Ross

17:10

ditto that, I look forward to when I don't want to buy Windows

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Q: How large are the planets in Star Wars: The Old Republic?

How large are the planets in Bioware's Star Wars MMORPG? How do they compare to the continents in World of Warcraft?

mmorpg mmo star-wars tor

I think that is unanswerable

tzenes

You could messure them in time

alexanderpas

btw: look at this google search result: starcraft 2 offline -beta

agreed unanswerable: not yet released, so probaly NDA

Arda Xi

does anyone know if Wine for Windows is finished yet?

yes. that is a serious question

alexanderpas

I know.

Arda Xi

it'd be useful to run older applications on windows 7

alexanderpas

17:18

... without paying the microsoft tax, not to mention the next windows version.

Arda Xi

Wine is a better solution than XP Mode either way

alexanderpas

lol, LoL

FallenAngelEyes

17:46

Evening all

alexanderpas

hi

Downvoter

what do you think about the "Logitech G5 Laser Mouse"?

Downvoter

I think I'll buy it

alexanderpas

It's a mouse.

Downvoter

is it good?

Downvoter

17:50

for gaming I mean

C. Ross

does a high end mouse really matter?

FallenAngelEyes

I've got some friends who recently got the Razer Naga, that thing is nuts

Personally I don't use a specific gaming mouse, I've been using the Logitech MX Revolution for the past 3 years and I'm happy with it.

Chris S

do you need it for a FPS

Downvoter

I don't know if it matter, I've always used a very low quality mouse

Downvoter

yes, fps

Chris S

17:53

I just use an MS comfort mouse 3000

FallenAngelEyes

Well, you can almost never go wrong with Logitech. Normally I'm not one for brand loyalty, but I've never been unhappy with my Logitech products.

Chris S

but I'm not exactly paid to play

FallenAngelEyes

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Q: How large are the planets in Star Wars: The Old Republic?

How large are the planets in Bioware's Star Wars MMORPG? How do they compare to the continents in World of Warcraft?

mmorpg mmo star-wars tor

I voted to close on that as well, incidentally.

alexanderpas

I you want to adjust the weight and balance of your mouse, the G5 supports that, but it might respond too fast in games not supporting mouse sensitivity ajustment.

Chris S

A nice mouse matt and the steel series holder is a good idea if you haven't got them

C. Ross

17:54

Ref @FallenAngelEyes Can we kill that please?

alexanderpas

already voted.

Chris S

Is SWTOR going to be instanced like Conan

FallenAngelEyes

Completely subjective as is now, and will be too localized later, so... yeah

alexanderpas

mouse mat is annoying.

FallenAngelEyes

I have a Steel Series mousemat, bought one last year, I'm quite happy with it

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Q: Looking for an MMO which won't empty my wallet and suck out my life.

I'm looking for an MMO that is relatively cheap or has a single one-time fee/micro transactions which also doesn't run the risk of sucking up my life. To make the question less subjective, I am an addictive person, so if there is any potential to become obsessed with the game, you can be guarant...

game-rec mmorpg mmo

Chris S

17:56

I spelt it Matt duh

FallenAngelEyes

Also think that one should be closed per my comment I left

Chris S

It only has one real answer: Evony

alexanderpas

How Not to Advertise on the Internet

Arda Xi

PlaneShift is fair enough, I've played it once, but it felt more like a sandbox

not to mention that every time you die you have to travel through the underworld to the magic portal that resurrects you

C. Ross

RuneScape?

Arda Xi

18:06

free version kinda sucks compared to the full version

C. Ross

I don't know, I played the free version for a long time

alexanderpas

runescape bores me.

Arda Xi

plus the community isn't that great

C. Ross

but I get excited by mining/crafting, so I'm weird

@ArdaXi The community is less than excellent

alexanderpas

I can get excited by mining/crafting too, if there are enough options.

Arda Xi

18:10

should try eve then

there's even the option of constant danger

tzenes

Play Sacrifice

its a better game

go to steam, buy Sacrifice, spend $5, feel better about life

alexanderpas

meh... played EVE, but the skill tree is just too big.

tzenes

the problem I have with EVE is that its boring

alexanderpas

also true.

C. Ross

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Q: Any "fun" racing games similar to Big Red Racing?

Years ago I played a great game called Big Red Racing. I really liked the fact you could play all sorts of tracks - off-road, snow, water, even on the Moon and Mars! I've played Mario Kart, which I guess fits into this category. I was wondering if there are any modern racing games in that vein o...

game-rec racing big-red-racing

why is this still around?

alexanderpas

18:25

anyone complaining about me getting pizza?

tzenes

18:37

@cross ever since I got reduced to 12 votes its been harder to nail them all

alexanderpas

just put them up here.

tzenes

usually its other people putting them here and I have to say: sorry I'm out of votes

alexanderpas

I still have 10 votes.

C. Ross

need one more for that one

alexanderpas

who voted already?

Kevin Y

18:43

I did.

tzenes

I did

C. Ross

I did (of course)

alexanderpas

ping @ArdaXi

Arda Xi

pong

alexanderpas

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Q: Any "fun" racing games similar to Big Red Racing?

Years ago I played a great game called Big Red Racing. I really liked the fact you could play all sorts of tracks - off-road, snow, water, even on the Moon and Mars! I've played Mario Kart, which I guess fits into this category. I was wondering if there are any modern racing games in that vein o...

game-rec racing big-red-racing

your opinion?

Arda Xi

18:47

done

alexanderpas

thanks!

C. Ross

thanks

alexanderpas

((this was funny))

Arda Xi

((these are nested parentheses))

C. Ross

oh no! Scheme flashbacks!

alexanderpas

18:50

this is a recursive link

Arda Xi

((this is frightening to @CRoss))

this is a more recursive link

tzenes

19:07

rep capped again today

alexanderpas

congratulations!

Kevin Y

Lol, congrats.

tzenes

I suppose. I'd care more if I cared about rep, but mostly it makes it hard for me to tell who voted on what

I stop seeing nice things like: 90

Kevin Y

gaming.stackexchange.com/users/recent/…

tzenes

404

Kevin Y

19:09

D:

never mind.

tzenes

its because its your userid

I had to put in mine: 102

but its still not as easily parsable

interesting, selecting an answer gets around the daily repcap

Kevin Y

yeah.

alexanderpas

done on purpose, to encourage that behaviour.

Ivo Flipse

19:25

you mean an accepted answer @tzenes?

tzenes

yes

accepting an answer

Ivo Flipse

it's meant as an extra reward and can't be skewed by other people's voting habits

the 200 rep cap is just to rate-limit rep, since some answers can easily gather the entire rep cap in a day

so it keeps the rep more even between C# and less popular tags

C. Ross

more even ... being in a big tag still helps

alexanderpas

more even indeed, since it prevents Jon Skeet from gaining 10k/day.

C. Ross

for example, tzenes has 133 questions in his domain, I have 60 in mine.

he has a lot more opportunity to get accepted answers and hit the rep cap daily

alexanderpas

19:32

which prevents him gaining rep, while you can still gain more

Ivo Flipse

I can't answer Mac or Linux questions on SU

so I'm crippled too :P

C. Ross

if no one asks dwarf-fortress or team-fortress-2 I'm out of luck

Ivo Flipse

and now I'm going to sleep, I can't answer anymore either

C. Ross

@alexanderpas only if I have questions I know the answer to (or can research)

alexanderpas

BTW: how many hats are there is TF2? (too localized for the site probaly?)

antony.trupe

19:34

@C. Ross I've gotten over the initial learning curve, so I can't help you out as much anymore :P

tzenes

cheater

antony.trupe

/duck

C. Ross

@antonytrupe thanks for putting my rep where it is. I think we had a beneficial relationship.

tzenes

haha

C. Ross

@alexanderpas A bunch, especially if you include all the specialty ones like the one for Alien Swarm

Arda Xi

19:36

There's a wiki that contains them all, sec

C. Ross

oh, sweet, new chat feature!

Arda Xi

Team Fortress Wiki

It's actually pretty old already :P

C. Ross

new is a relative term :-)

alexanderpas

indeed, new chat feature, never noticed it!

Kevin Y

Yeah, I never noticed it either.

Arda Xi

19:39

it should be one-click though, as such it's a bit annoying

C. Ross

Still, it should save me pinging a lot of people

Arda Xi

oh, it does the same as pinging, didn't notice

alexanderpas

nice!

C. Ross

20:06

Also, you can't reply to the rss reader, disappointing

Arda Xi

:65733 Yes you can

alexanderpas

see.

nope, two won't work.

Arda Xi

figured that out pretty quickly

C. Ross

nvm then

tzenes

is there an easy way to reply to a specific chat message here? or are you all doing it manually

alexanderpas

20:12

click specific chat message arrow -> reply to this message

tzenes

right, manually

I was hoping there was a quicker way

Kevin Y

There should be a reply button implemented like the star button.

Arda Xi

shouldn't be that difficult too make a greasemonkey script to insert a button in directly, but it'd be better if jeff did it

Jeff Atwood

@kevin yes that is in the works

remember, though, that @name is a de-facto reply

so if you're always replying to the last thing someone said, it's massive overkill to explicit reply

alexanderpas

and we even didn't ping @JeffAtwood

Jeff Atwood

20:18

I would only click reply if you're replying to something from much earlier

I sort of assume you're replying to.. y'know.. the last thing I said. I don't need to be told that :)

Arda Xi

but if there's a discussion going on with many threads it's useful to know what you're replying to with the highlight and such

(I don't know how to explain it better than threads)

Kevin Y

topics.

alexanderpas

there could be some posting something in between while typing the message.

Jeff Atwood

you can do whatever you want, I'm just telling you what we're designing for. If you want to type every message as an individual character, I can't stop

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alexanderpas

lemme guess... it rate-limited you.

Jeff Atwood

20:20

and @name is a lot easier to read than a bunch of arrows. meh, I might pull this feature if it gets abused.

alexanderpas

or combine them, placing the name instead of the arrow.

Arda Xi

exactly like twitter replies

so you can do the @syntax manually, but also have it linked to the message you clicked reply for

alexanderpas

oh %^&* Twitter

Arda Xi

what do you guys have against twitter

Kevin Y

Yeah . . .

alexanderpas

20:24

a meme?

tzenes

Twitter is like the linux of social networking: hard to use and with less features ✎

Arda Xi

more OS X than linux tbh

alexanderpas

Twitter is not open source.

tzenes

but the api is

I guess its not a perfect analogy

alexanderpas

the API is free and public, free and public != open source

tzenes

20:27

I dislike the OSX analogy because Apple hates programmers

Kevin Y

I don't think Twitter can really be compared to other social networking sites, as it serves quite a different purpose than, say, Facebook does.

tzenes

I already said its not a perfect analogy

Kevin Y

It's more like micro-blogging or something.

tzenes

@KevinY facebook does exactly what twitter does

through wall posts

its just aggregated differently

alexanderpas

Twitter is Twitter, it has established it's own genre, and others are duplicating twitter.

tzenes

20:28

much the way bbs are bbs?

alexanderpas

nostalgia!

Arda Xi

it's literally microblogging @KevinY

Kevin Y

I suppose the two are similar, but I feel they serve different purposes. For example, I go on Facebook to catch up with what my friends are doing. However, I use Twitter more for news updates than talking to friends; I wouldn't go on Facebook to do that. My personal opinion anyways . . .

alexanderpas

how about nano-blogging

tzenes

20:46

I might not be the Jon Skeet of gaming, but I might be the Jon Skeet of Starcraft 2

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A: Best counters for Zerg air units in Starcraft 2?

There is no unit which will magically let you beat a Zerg air mix, even Thors fall to mass Muta with a little micro. Instead let's break down what there is and discuss possibilities: One of the things you need to ask yourself is: Is he Corruptor heavy or Muta heavy? This question will influenc...

best part is, I am going to get 0 rep for that answer and I still wrote it

systempuntoout

@tzenes will it come in console too or just PC?

Kevin Y

Do you guys think this:

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Q: Do Guitar Hero peripherals work with Rock Band and vice versa?

I own the Guitar Hero instruments. Can I buy a Rock Band game and use the instruments from Guitar Hero to play the game? And vice versa?

controllers rock-band compatibility guitar-hero

Could be considered a duplicate of this?

0

Q: [How] Can I use alternate controllers for Rock Band on my PS3? (*i.e.*, my guitar-hero controllers.)

Possible Duplicate: Do Guitar Hero peripherals work with Rock Band and vice versa? Subject pretty much says it all. I've got PS3 + Rock Band, and would like to use Guitar-hero controllers. Are there adaptors? Can I hack them, somehow? Similarly, can I make my own controllers? Are ...

ps3 rock-band controllers

tzenes

yes

alexanderpas

no, more like the other way around.

Kevin Y

Even though his came first.

tzenes

20:53

I think the first oen you linked should be the right one

not sure which order they came in though

Kevin Y

I asked my question (first link) after he asked his, but I didn't see it.

tzenes

your question is a superset of his question

but the alternative isn't true

I'm voting to close the ps3 only one: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/50/…

alexanderpas

also voted.

Kevin Y

Heh, I thought mine would be considered the duplicate (I guess I'm just accustomed to the second question always being a duplicate).

alexanderpas

you will get 0 rep today from that answer @tzenes, but tomorrow... there is a new rep limit.

Kevin Y

21:05

Anyways, I'm going to go now. Bye everyone.

alexanderpas

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Q: What games work well on MacBook Pro (i7/GeForce GT 330M) within VMWare Fusion?

This question was originally posted a while ago by someone else on Super User, and closed since Super User is not for questions about games. It is worded perfectly, IMHO, so I'm just copying and pasting it here instead of attempting to re-write it in my own words. Credit should go to the OP. ...

mac virtualization vmware-fusion

tzenes

@alexanderpas by tomorrow everyone will have voted

alexanderpas

yeah, i'm not pinging anyone this late.

tzenes

21:22

I ment in response to your early comment

I voted to close on this

Mechko

Good morning all.

Closers of sited question! May I offer a solution: Rather than asking 'what games work well', I would suggest the question be changed to 'what is the functional relation between system specs in mac hardware and specs in a windows vm, and which is most suitable for playing games?'

antony.trupe

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Q: What are some fun RuneScape activities for a F2P small group with different levels?

RuneScape is a fun game but I've lost interest because I have higher levels than my friends, and we aren't able to have fun together. In addition, I'm paying for membership while my friends remain free players, so this again stifles our fun. What are some fun things that a small group of people ...

mmorpg runescape

subjective

Mechko

5

Q: What games work well on MacBook Pro (i7/GeForce GT 330M) within VMWare Fusion?

This question was originally posted a while ago by someone else on Super User, and closed since Super User is not for questions about games. It is worded perfectly, IMHO, so I'm just copying and pasting it here instead of attempting to re-write it in my own words. Credit should go to the OP. ...

mac virtualization vmware-fusion

McKay is trolling. He has no idea what he's talking about

tzenes

how could you tell if he was trolling?

Mechko

Because he Here's a few games that should work fine in VMWare:

Minesweeper
Chip's Challenge
Castle of the Winds
Dwarf Fortress

tzenes

21:35

no, I meant it as an insult. As in, how could you tell if he was trolling or just being his usual self, talking about things he has no idea about

Mechko

haha

well downvote please

this is actually harmful to the site because we don't want pc/mac fanbois battling it out

alexanderpas

already done.

tzenes

I think McKay might be harmful to the site

or maybe not harmful, but annoying

Mechko

Definitely annoying

Arda Xi

nobody can be really harmful in the sense that everything is revertable

Mechko

21:41

this isn't the first time I've seen him make a stupid/snippy answer that was totally unwarranted. It's not like the question is stupid, just a little off.

Arda Xi

but annoying is harmful to a community too

Mechko

seriously

he answered that question twice

Arda Xi

posted a comment about why his answer is dumb

is this a good opportunity to invite him into chat?

alexanderpas

YES

Mechko

let our comments pertaining to him scroll out to oblivion first

:D

Arda Xi

21:46

let me star them :)

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Mechko

21:59

eep. A little girl has posted on my wall "Wake up! I've been thinking of you all day"

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