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03:00

Evenin', @Ami ♪

Ami

Evenin'

alexanderpas

the comments of he OP on this question:

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Q: What is the most powerful experience you have had, playing a game?

What game gave you the most compelling experience in your entire life? For me it was playing Steve Meretzky's Planetfall. I won't say what happened in the game, because it would be a spoiler. But when it happened, I will never forget that my opinion of how much a game could affect you, change...

retro-gaming

used the Community Wiki isn't a "get out of jail free" card on the comments for that question.

Downvoter

I feel like the beginning of SO all over again

Ivo Flipse

07:16

hi oak :-)

Oak

OK, who changed "game-recommendations" to "game-rec"?

Oak

(@Ivo and hi :) )

Ivo Flipse

no idea, they didn't grant me any mods right, so I can't go and check

and they'll probably say I need to be elected :-(

Oak

I thought we didn't have any mods yet

Ivo Flipse

we don't someone with more than 1k rep must have been about

Oak

07:19

I didn't know 1k rep users can retroactively change tag names

Ivo Flipse

best start a meta topic about some of the tag synonyms

they can manually edit all 30+ questions

2 edited tags
edited yesterday
C. Ross
5219
game-rec space

Oak

But it wasn't manual edit

Ivo Flipse

hmmm not every question has been edited, which makes me suspect someone like @Jeff has done it instead

Oak

Precisely

Oak

I'll start on meta

Oak

07:21

Also, I'm torn on my position regarding list questions

Ivo Flipse

torn about what?

your free to change your mind ;-) as long as you think you have valid reasons for doing so

Oak

If someone asks for the best gaming easter eggs, should it be closed? Or for the best typing game

Oak

Or for the best gaming comic

Ivo Flipse

the problem with our close reasons, is that the reasons themselves are subjective too

Oak

Many say that "yes", but objectively these kind of questions are successful and very fun

Oak

07:24

That's true, though the need for 5 people who agree is good

Ivo Flipse

well last night we were just posting questions here and people would discuss (though not at length) and boom they would be killed

but for me this is like the discussion about webapps on SU

we have more than enough valid questions left when we NOT allow them

we can always change our mind and reopen them

but for now it's probably for the best not to

but you're absolutely right, they are fun and can be useful

however, the focus shouldn't be on coming up with the next list to assemble

Oak

On the other hand, people say they might have potentially harmful effect on the site in the future

Oak

And they might be right

Ivo Flipse

they set a precedence, users will point and complain: look but this question was allowed

I'm sure people will bitch at me for that typing of the dead answer

Oak

Actually I thought the typing question didn't get a close vote

Ivo Flipse

07:30

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/5935/…

nope, but I close other peoples lists and answered another, kind of hypocritical ;-)

Oak

Anyway, I didn't vote. At the moment, I vote to close questions that are really broad. So I voted to close "what games are there for linux", but didn't vote "horror FPSs"

Ivo Flipse

and I even suggested a list myself, since I would create a few and shut down the rest pointing back to those original ones

that seems a valid metric, though when is it no longer too broad? (rhetorical question)

Oak

yea... but then the 5-people-to-a-close thing helps to make it a little less subjective

Ivo Flipse

well on a SO size audience 5 people is still not even 1%

but I wouldn't worry about it too much

instead we should keep posting great questions (not a star in that area...)

Oak

I see Jeff is also torn:

Oak

07:34

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Q: Should we have a "List of X" close reason?

We're seeing a lot of the Let's make a "List of X" problem on new Stack Exchange 2.0 sites. Like so. Our engine is absolutely brilliant at surfacing these questions, and they can have some utility ... but they're not really what we want -- they tend to be polls and copy-pasted content, not origi...

discussion close-reasons

Ivo Flipse

I think Jeff feels we should avoid them during beta, but he knows we have to cut the community some slack

some users point and say: we only have 35 lists, but that's still 5 lists a day!

but some list questions should be changed to something: where can I find or how will I know if this works

I'm sure there's a database with Linux supported games or a website dedicated to Linux games. That answer is less likely to be out of date tomorrow than a list

Oak

I agree with that, but then we also had some people saying that this site should list the actual answers rather than only point to other websites

Ivo Flipse

also lists are even more subject to drive-by's. Post an answer and never look back at it, even if things change over time. Things like DLC or sequels

Oak

Though I don't entirely agree with that

Ivo Flipse

well I agree, though we can't copy/paste everything

but I mean we don't want people to have to search through several forums themselves

If I point you to gametrailers.com, I can't go embed all their video's here

but regarding those classes, we should have an expert on that class create a source of info HERE not anywhere else

Oak

07:40

No, but for example take a look at the poe spirits question, which I answered"

Ivo Flipse

guess it depends on the scope of the question

Oak

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Q: Poe souls in Zelda: Twilight Princess

Where are all of the Poe souls located in the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess?

guide zelda-twilight-princess

Oak

I just provided a link instead of actually writing the list

Oak

But the list is huge and the links have screenshots and stuff

Ivo Flipse

It simply wouldn't fit either, so no worries

also the format of your question will change a lot of people's opinion

Oak

07:41

Which question?

Ivo Flipse

for instance, if you post some of those screenshots, so people will really believe that following that link will solve their problem

they will upvote it even more

Oak

Well, maybe. I just felt like someone invested a lot of effort into making those lists

Oak

Should just provide a link or 3

Ivo Flipse

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A: Why was [game-recommendations] shortened to [game-rec]

From chat: Ivo Flipse: @Jeff did you change the games-recommendation to games-rec? Jeff Atwood: yeah I hate "recommendation" as a tag..

well your answer is valid and surely answers the question

Oak

I don't understand what does "it's enormous MMMMM giant letters" means

Ivo Flipse

07:45

meh, it's chat probably nothing

Oak

I'm gone

Ivo Flipse

bye :)

Jeff Atwood

what I mean is that M is a very wide letter

recommendation is "long and wide" -- it is a long word for # of letters and because the individual letters it contains in a proportional font are also wide

compare:

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

same # of letters.

Ivo Flipse

08:04

I agree with your logic @Jeff, but isn't world-of-warcraft or lord-of-the-rings-online also horribly long?

Jeff Atwood

yeah should be [wow] and [lotr]

[recommendation] is just, pardon my french, a shit tag

for both reasons I replied to

Ivo Flipse

but then fps can be frames-per-second and first-person-shooter

off course people will use fps + monitor

Jeff Atwood

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A: Why was [game-recommendations] shortened to [game-rec]

Two things Recommendation is a poor concept on our sites. "Recommend me a computer to buy! Recommend me a game to play on my VIC-20!" So the presence of this tag is like a big "this question is very likely to suck" sticker slapped on it. Recommendation is far, far too long as a tag. Recommendat...

gamers know what these terms mean

Ivo Flipse

though with crysis it could be fps + fps + gpu

Jeff Atwood

if I say [fps] to you, you don't go WHAT? EH? WHAT IS THIS EFF PEEE ESS THING?!!

if I say "hey I was playing wow the other day" you don't go "huh? how do you play a WOW?"

Ivo Flipse

08:09

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Q: How to tag: use acronyms or not?

I would like to ask the general approach we have to follow in tagging game names. This question already shown the problem: wow or world-of-warcraft. But there any many other examples: hl2 or half-life-2 tf2 or team-fortress-2 mw2 or modern-warfare-2 etc. Maybe we can use google to look whi...

discussion tagging

Jeff Atwood

the point is that you use tag terms accepted by the community and in general use

Ivo Flipse

then your input is wanted here ;-)

Jeff Atwood

no gamer says "world of warcraft", they say "wow"

Ivo Flipse

do those tags matter for SEO actually?

Jeff Atwood

3

A: How to tag: use acronyms or not?

I disagree strongly with the other positions here. if I say [fps] to you, you don't go WHAT? EH? WHAT IS THIS EFF PEEE ESS THING?!! if I say "hey I was playing [wow] the other day" you don't go "huh? how do you play a WOW?" The point is that you use tag terms accepted by the community ...

marco.ragogna

08:28

I like to use short tags for very famous games like wow, tf2, hl2, cod, etc. This short version is also well known by Google and SEO will be not affected. For not well known games I instead would prefer long form

Jeff Atwood

@marco I agree with that

add it to the meta answer

marco.ragogna

09:04

do we have decided to close recommendations questions?
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2297/creepy-horror-fps-recommendations-closed

Ivo Flipse

Well I would vouch against any more list questions until we get a more decent body of real questions

radp

09:35

Make a question on Meta for a list of list questions!

Ivo Flipse

easy: just search for voted:1 on gaming.se

radp

Did you mean... closed:1

Ivo Flipse

woops yeah

and even better closed:1 wiki:1

radp

actually is there a CW question we wouldn't close right now?

Ivo Flipse

though they can be closed before they were made CW

not sure

radp

10:14

yay! 35 more kobolds!

Oak

I'm still against closing all recommendation questions

Oak

I think they are one of the best thing that can come out of this site

Oak

Just as long as they're in moderation, and that the question is specific enough

radp

heh

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Q: Where can I find Air Traffic Simulation games?

Does anyone know where I can locate games of this rare genre?

game-rec air-traffic-simulation

1 take the "good" away from the title, so your question could be considered as objective :) – meo yesterday

misguided advice...

oh boy

is it me or this page is completely broken?

radp

12:13

I'm watching super mario 3 TASes. What the hell are those arrows and (P) for?

Downvoter

12:44

good morning

radp

morning

alexanderpas

Good Morning everyone

Arda Xi

good afternoon

Arda Xi

13:03

Does this cover it properly?

2

A: Re-open A Question

There have been a lot of questions like this on the site, yes. So far, we've all closed them. The point is that these kind of un-detailed questions are going to differ for everyone on the site. What's 'creepy' for you might not be creepy for me. StackExchange is based on an ask-once read-many co...

Gnoupi

13:22

@Oak - recommendations are not the "best thing to come out of the site". You can find recommendations of games everywhere. However, I agree that specific questions about a particular type of game should be left open. Like this one:

Gnoupi

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Q: Any games like Torchlight with WASD movement?

I really like WASD movement but dislike click to move. Is there any game out there where its WASD to move your character but using the mouse to aim/interact? I am not talking about third-person-shooters or hybird first-person-shoots. I am looking for an action rpg. Sort of like League of Lege...

torchlight third-person-view action-rpg keyboard-controls

Gnoupi

It's really specific, not something you can find anywhere else.

Downvoter

I'm going to link to this excellent explanation from now on

Downvoter

17

A: Re-open A Question

To be honest, we're in the middle of a scrambled situation here. When the site first came out, we had thought it was perfectly harmless to allow these kinds of questions - in moderation. But as time passed, during the end stages of the private beta and moreso as the public beta began, we noticed ...

Arda Xi

But for example this is good since it's specific enough:

5

Q: Looking for a game similar to a game Maxis released, A-Train, back in 1992?

Maxis released a game called "A-Train" back in 1992. As I understand it, it was an English port of a Japanese game. I know that the A-Train series ran for quite a while in Japan, but I'm not clear if any of the subsequent games ever made a release in the US. Does anyone know if they did? Al...

game-rec

It applies to anyone looking for games similar to that game

Gnoupi

13:26

@Arda - yes, about same kind of example as mine.

Gnoupi

What we should close without a second thought is "what is the best shooter", but that's obvious

alexanderpas

recommendation should be remoed from the title...

Gnoupi

true, it doesnt bring anything. It doesn't hurt as well, though. It can stay

Arda Xi

maybe the point in how to ask should be elaborated, right now it only says "We prefer questions that can be answered, not just discussed."

Gnoupi

No, I think it's pretty clear as it is. It doesn't answer to the "no wide game rec", though

Gnoupi

13:32

but with strong moderators (and community), you don't need to. There only a finite number of "what are best" questions that can be asked. Once they are there and closed, you don't need to discuss closing. You close as duplicate.

Gnoupi

Worked for SU

alexanderpas

5

A: What should our FAQ contain?

What kind of questions can I ask here? {site name} is for knowledgeable and enthusiast gamers, people who have a passion for video games regardless of platform. We feel the best questions ask about a concrete problem encountered while playing a specific video game, but if your question generally...

Arda Xi

But there's 'suggest a creepy game', 'suggest a funny game', 'suggest a bad game'

alexanderpas

that question was "creepy, similar to"

Gnoupi

same

Gnoupi

13:34

no, wait

Gnoupi

these ones, it's simply falling under the "too wide, open to interpretation"

Arda Xi

no, he asks 'creepy' and mentions metro 2033 as an example

It violates the ask-once read-many principle

Gnoupi

then i don't know, hard to make a "one time rule", for all this.

alexanderpas

what if he asked for a recent game similar to metro 2033, would that still violate the rule?

Arda Xi

If it's specific enough and appeals to many people it might not

but the 'recent' localises it

Downvoter

13:42

yay, got my first bounty ever

Arda Xi

I need more questions in my area of expertise, getting bored :(

alexanderpas

what's your area of expertise?

Arda Xi

Hmm, most things PC-wise, but mostly Valve games, and well games I've played

steamcommunity.com/id/arienh4

marco.ragogna

@juan happy to assign you the bounty. I have just opened another one now

alexanderpas

hmm... mirrors edge... might be able to create some good question from it :D going to play some now :D

Arda Xi

13:50

Good game, really good

radp

urm, can't you just plug the xbox controller in a pc?

Arda Xi

usually, not all games support it though

Sathya

you can @badp except for wireless ones, I guesss

marco.ragogna

about the tag used here:
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2300/misadventures-of-p-b-winterbottom-leaderboards

marco.ragogna

do we allow using dots "." inside tags?

radp

13:58

good question you removed there, marco

Downvoter

I couldn't finish Mirror's edge

Downvoter

kept falling from the rooftops all the time

Downvoter

frustated, I quit

Arda Xi

gotta jump in time ;-)

Downvoter

yeah, I really tried

marco.ragogna

14:03

@arda how did you get those stats in TF2: steamcommunity.com/id/arienh4/stats/TF2?tab=stats

Downvoter

I just switched to GTA 4

Arda Xi

erm.. playing for a really long time?

radp

:|

Arda Xi

no?

Well, it had to do with me being bored, having OpenSteamWorks and a knowledge of C#..

I've played every class for 596523.2 hours

then I quit the game

radp

now I know not to trust steam stats ever

Arda Xi

14:07

heh

fun fact, these show as negative in game

marco.ragogna

@badp yeah, definitevely :)

Arda Xi

Who uses a signed integer to store a score

Johan Buret

Any quake game. Suicide counts as -1

Arda Xi

fair enough

My personal record is -2 147 483 647 in-game

alexanderpas

okay... I'm stuck :D

Arda Xi

14:12

where?

marco.ragogna

about tag p.b-winterbottom what do you like more?
pb-winterbottom
p-b-winterbottom
winterbottom

Arda Xi

I think the first

alexanderpas

subway airation room, that room with the timer.

Arda Xi

hmm, let me think

which chapter?

alexanderpas

ropeburn

Arda Xi

14:15

hmm, the part where the gates come down?

radp

← has not played that game

alexanderpas

past that, the part with the where you have to stop the vent.

Arda Xi

oh that

you have to wallrun to the other side

Downvoter

xbox or x-box?

alexanderpas

@juan xbox

Arda Xi

14:21

yeah, xbox

radp

microsoft-™-xbox-™-®-©

Downvoter

ok ok

Arda Xi

I don't think Microsoft and Xbox are unregistered trademarks ;-)

radp

I don't think you don't think you don't mean what you didn't say

alexanderpas

okay...

Sathya

14:38

@Arda: regd: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/19506?offset=330 have you written about it anywhere ? A blog post , perhaps

radp

not a lot of activity today on the site

alexanderpas

seems like iceland.

radp

You mean we're supposed to ask silly questions instead?

alexanderpas

no, that's why it is so silent.

Downvoter

please don't... or do it on meta :)

radp

14:47

meh, let's get you something to answer

alexanderpas

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Q: How to get past the Subway Airation Room in Mirrors edge.

How to get past the Subway Aeration room, the room where you have to Stop the fan, and get past them before they're automatically restarted, in the Ropeburn chapter Everytime I try, or the fan goes back on when i reach the fan (killing me), or I somehow can't reach the ledge just yet, or somehow...

pc mirrors-edge

this is funny... I just managed to pass the problem area the first time after posting the question... anyways, the question still stands :D

radp

15:04

quite common

every but one question I posted on SU had me giving the answer :(

Arda Xi

Alex, I've had trouble with that part myself I recall

Downvoter

that's what frustrated me from that game

Downvoter

hmm...

Downvoter

that last question @badp...

Downvoter

hmm...

Arda Xi

15:10

Most things in that game are jokes

radp

I know I googled for it and didn't find anything

Arda Xi

I wouldn't take it seriously

Sathya

anyone ever get frustrated with Braid ?

radp

I finished Braid then decided to start it over for the stars

now I hate myself for doing that.

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas

2

A: How to get past the Subway Airation Room in Mirrors edge.

If you press the button and wallrun directly to the fans you should have plenty of time to get through them. See this YouTube video to see it more clearly.

Sathya

15:14

can never seem to get beyond the first few levels. Will ask a question soon

radp

uh, you do know you can skip levels entirely

you don't need to collect all puzzle pieces to open the door at the end.

Sathya

Yeah @badp

I suck at puzzle games :-\

radp

Quick question

once created, can you change steam group names?

Arda Xi

I think so, yes

radp

I know, this one should be for webapps but meh.

Arda Xi

15:16

you can always just try :P

radp

okay, I need a one line ascii unicorn then :(

Arda Xi

That's a tiny bit impossible

radp

No, you can't change a group's name

so I will need to wait to do that. no big deal.

Jin

@badp just saw my tweets pasted in the other rooms

radp

Great stuff. Thank you for tweeting it.

Jin

15:24

i spam tweeter sometimes :)

i blame Atwood

radp

It could be worse, you could be autotweeting

(eww)

Jin

those are terribad

radp

in other news

47

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

quicksave.com (Taken, but maybe...) as opposed to quickload.com Joel says taken does not necessarily mean impossible Since console games don't offer quicksave, you may consider this as a: "quick - save my char from dying in this unpauseable game"

what makes you think quicksave.com is squatted?

Usually squatted domains have google adsense spam or something

That website seems just plain empty.

it looks taken, if you ask me.

Arda Xi

that's up to Joel to figure out

Or Jeff or someone else

Tobias Kienzler

you're right, I only looked at whois.net

radp

15:29

indeed -- when I look on eNom.com to see if you can buy quicksave.com...

http://www.enom.com/domainsearch/register.aspx?sld=quicksave&tld=com

it's just not there

Arda Xi

There's slowsave.com...

do they actually show you synonyms/antonyms as alternatives? (slowrescue.com)

radp

ugh

namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/…

Arda Xi

why is the minimum bid $69?

radp

I don't know what that means honestly

let me see if it lets me backorder anything

yeah, it lets you "backorder" whatever

Tobias Kienzler

how did you find it? I'll add the link to the suggestion

radp

15:31

so that website means nothing

Tobias: click on 'backorder' from http://www.enom.com/domainsearch/register.aspx?sld=quicksave&tld=com

Arda Xi

they probably send ninjas over to the owner to negotiate for the domain or something

2

radp

yeah.

Tobias Kienzler

@Arda Xi: oh, that kind of backordering

radp

although I'm not too hopeful

about the owner not paying for another year

Creation Date: 30-aug-2001
Updated Date: 31-aug-2009
Expiration Date: 30-aug-2010

Tobias Kienzler

hm, the whois.net entry suggests it's been renewed every year

radp

15:34

indeed

mind you, I'm not happy, pauseforhelp is one of the very few I downvoted

Arda Xi

Same here @badp

I still like something like skippedtutorial.com

or thatonelevel.com

Tobias Kienzler

me too, thatonelevel would be a great alternative I guess

Arda Xi

-5

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

updownleftrightybxa.com May appeal more to the slightly older generation...

this isn't even the konami code is it?

alexanderpas

nope.

radp

-1

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

ababselectstart.com (Available!)

:D

Arda Xi

15:37

-2

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

howdoimovethepaddleinpong.com Another bad idea I had to put out.

this is worse :P

Tobias Kienzler

aww, let's take slowsave.com. lame enough if we can't get quicksave

Arda Xi

Where did you get that answer? I found it on how do I move the paddle in pong dot com

radp

big deal, @arda, I'm the proud owner of the most downvoted answer there :P

-5

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

expertdexchange.com (ask nicely and you can also change str and int!)

Arda Xi

I still don't get that part between parentheses

radp

experts exchange
expertsexchange
expert sex change
expert dex change

alexanderpas

15:39

dex int str con

Tobias Kienzler

oh, I finally got it! dex... sigh you should write expertDEXchange. Sorry, I'm a bit slow there...

alexanderpas

8

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

gameover.com displays a maintaince page for over 2 years according to the Internet Archive, so it might be buyable (creds to Ivo Flipse) nope, subdomains are still in use, so no continues left!

nice find: expert sex change

better use that soon...

Arda Xi

GameOverdose.com is nice too

Only squatted, not in use

alexanderpas

dinnertime!

Arda Xi

dinnertime here too

radp

15:44

dinner time at 1745?

you horrible people.

I usually have dinner at 2100 :)

Downvoter

it's lunch time

Downvoter

it's 12:45 here

Tobias Kienzler

dinnertime, have a nice WE everyone

radp

in more news

Sathya

yes ?

radp

15:48

who is this guy?

Ziggamorph, Cambridge, UK

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Sathya

dinner time here too, 21:18

radp

I ask because he made this edit

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/220/revisions

(added "Registered by Stack Overflow Internet Services, Inc. 2010-07-13." to the thatonelevel.com answer)

thatonelevel.com did get registered 2010-07-13, but I don't think it got registered by StackOverflow

Downvoter

it may have been registered by a squatter that read that question

radp

maybe somebody checked for availability with godaddy

actually I guess it would be a good idea to recheck them all.

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