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Noctrine

11:04 PM

I have a mac

Kevin Y

:D

radp

You know, I'd love to give Mac OS X the operative system a try

but Apple really doesn't want me to :(

Kevin Y

Macs are great. I run Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. :)

But I don't really do anything with Linux . . . it's just there.

Arda Xi

I still gotta try Mac in a VM someday

Noctrine

I love my mac, for anything thats not development.

radp

11:08 PM

I don't know Kevin, I agreed with people saying Vista sucked till I tried it, then I really liked it.

Noctrine

Excluding Web Development, but not including graphics work

Arda Xi

I don't like to try Apples big bills.

radp

That taught me that until I try it, I really can't know if I'd like it or not

just the admission fee to give the OS a fair try is a bit too steep :(

(including driver support, which would be iffy even in a VM)

Noctrine

Presentation on a Mac is top class, I hate a bit about how the OS handles things in comparison to windows though. The changing of ctrl/alt drives me freaking crazy

I don't think I can ever use a non-mac touchpad again.

Kevin Y

I can't type on a non-Mac keyboard anymore.

Arda Xi

11:10 PM

I have a Snow Leopard disc from someone who actually has a Mac and a willingness to bend the rules

Kevin Y

Like those Dell keyboards with the really thick keys.

radp

oh right, heh. How would you type Command on a non-Mac keyboard?

Arda Xi

Ctrl?

Kevin Y

I think the Windows key.

Jeff Atwood

house ads are in for all public SE 2.0 betas

Noctrine

11:10 PM

I just mess up common commands, like ctrl+c always end up pushing cmd+c

Jeff Atwood

there's one for gaming

we pick random questions from the "hot" tab

Arda Xi

nice one @Jeff

Kevin Y

Cool.

radp

@jeff, [status-norepro]

Grace Note

Neat, @Jeff

Noctrine

11:11 PM

@Jeff needs picture, but nice

radp

oh right, on SO

Arda Xi

Do 200+ repped people get them?

radp

Aye

Arda Xi

Well I'm not

Jeff Atwood

@badp yeah like in the screenshot.. where it says STACK OVERFLOW .. dead giveaway :0

radp

11:12 PM

I just got two in a row

Noctrine

Looking at one for webmasters right now

Arda Xi

I just got one for cooking

never mind

Kevin Y

Refresh, refresh, refresh, ref- oh, there it is. :)

Arda Xi

Exactly @Kevin

Noctrine

lol

Arda Xi

11:13 PM

By the way, @Jeff, why are answers on any SE site linked with /ID#ID?

wouldn't just #ID suffice?

radp

@Jeff, sorry, at times I forget I'm a mere human

Noctrine

You mean ID/Title?

Oh wait, answers. Looking at questions

Arda Xi

Yeah

radp

@Arda: you don't know what page has that answer

Noctrine

The #Blah is kind of like a goto

Arda Xi

11:14 PM

Answers are linked like can-i-trust-steam-powered-games-any-unwanted-behavior-installed-with-steam/2460#2460

Jeff Atwood

no, because #id is not sent down to the server. only /id is.

radp

/ID#ID makes sure you load the page with the answer ID

Arda Xi

Why does the server need it?

You're already on the appropriate page

the only thing the ID accomplishes is the highlight and the anchor

radp

not necessarily

Arda Xi

then what else does it do?

radp

11:15 PM

let me get you two examples

Kevin Y

Doesn't the #____ in URLs tell your web browser to go to a specific part of the page?

radp

http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1/suggest-a-domain-name-for-this-site/407#407

http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1/suggest-a-domain-name-for-this-site/274#274

Arda Xi

Yeah, that's what I meant with the anchor

hmm, yeah, I get you

Noctrine

If you do it without it, it seems to still go to the right one though.

Arda Xi

pagination

radp

11:16 PM

how else would the server know what page to serve you? :)

Arda Xi

but it can still all be done with Javascript

radp

yeah, let's break noscript users.

and google.

Arda Xi

Erm, hello? Have you even looked at the SO site/

Noctrine

lol

Arda Xi

It's filled with stuff that'd break it for noscript users

radp

11:17 PM

like?

Arda Xi

Voting for one

radp

I admit I haven't tried

Jeff Atwood

we support asking and answering with javascript disabled, that's it

Arda Xi

Pages can be handled with an additional parameter in the link, but I just think ID#ID looks bad

radp

I think it's an implementation detail, an important one too

Jeff Atwood

11:19 PM

anyway like I said, #ID IS NOT SENT TO THE SERVER AT ALL

Arda Xi

Why important?

radp

permalinks need to work without js enabled

Arda Xi

I know that

but why does the server need it?

Jeff Atwood

to navigate to the right question page?

Arda Xi

as I said, pagination can be handled with an additional parameter

oh right

pages change

I've not said anything.

radp

11:19 PM

duh :)

Arda Xi

Can we remove the # part somehow? anyone?

radp

I guess you could simulate anchor behaviour with JS

since it's already hooked to do the highlight thingy

ask about it on meta maybe

Arda Xi

maybe put the linked answer first

regardless of votes/sort order

Jeff Atwood

@arda in the case where the answer happens to be on the same page, the browser can navigate to the right answer without postback

so both cases are covered -- server intervention required, and no-postback client does all the work

but it requires /id#id

Arda Xi

I realise why it would require it for optimal behaviour, well, I do now

Jeff Atwood

11:22 PM

also /id#id works even with javascript disabled

radp

people don't like XN--ABAB-FT8AAFAKBGB80AS41C.COM :(

Arda Xi

I forgot that pages change

Noctrine

I thought it was awesome, but not good for a domain :p

Arda Xi

what symbol is at the front btw?

radp

I just find the un-unicode-ization for domain names to be rather hilarious (in a bad manner)

Noctrine

11:25 PM

I want to register smiley faces...

radp

@Arda: which one, ↑?

Arda Xi

XN--ABAB or something

↑.com = xn--45g.com

and ☺.com is registered

radp

XN-- seems to mean "warning, unicode ahead"

for the rest I guess it's wikipedia to the rescue

Noctrine

Wonder if you can register xn--.com

Arda Xi

@Noctrine Error: Malformed requestdomainName

radp

11:28 PM

Internationalized domain name

An internationalized domain name (IDN) is an Internet domain name that contains at least one label that is displayed in software applications, in whole or in part, in a language-specific script or alphabet, such as Arabic, Chinese, Russian or the Latin alphabet-based characters with diacritics, such as French. These writing systems are encoded by computers in multi-byte Unicode. Internationalized domain names are stored in the Domain Name System as ASCII strings using Punycode transcription. The Domain Name System, which performs a lookup service to translate user-friendly names into net...

Noctrine

Should have asked a farmville/frontierville/mafia-wars question at the beginning for that one badge :p

radp

more fittingly,

Punycode

In computing, Punycode is an instance of a general encoding syntax (Bootstring) by which a string of Unicode characters is transformed uniquely and reversibly into a smaller, restricted character set. Punycode is intended for the encoding of labels in the Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) framework, such that these domain names may be represented in the ASCII character set allowed in the Domain Name System of the Internet. The encoding syntax is defined in IETF document RFC 3492. The IDNA methodology encodes only select label components of domain names with a procedur...

Noctrine

Also, been wondering this after I've seen some of your varied answers. @Jeff , what Don't you know?

Arda Xi

Well, don't seem to be any questions needing answers, I'm going to bed. Good night all.

Noctrine

Night

Kevin Y

11:34 PM

Good night.