The Bridge

GnomeSlice

21:00

@OrigamiRobot Because he was making a dickish 'joke' at the expense of a bunch of other people.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice I have no clue what you're talking about here.

Anna Lear

The FAQ on every site says "be nice". This applies to chat as well. If you can't refrain from swearing at other people, you're not welcome here.

GnomeSlice

i.e. people who ask questions HE thinks are dumb.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Be the bigger person.

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria The thing about Buzz Aldrin.

Jesus.

Michael Mrozek

21:00

There's actually a section about it in the chat FAQ. Not that anyone reads that

GnomeSlice

I READ IT.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Try reading it again.

user15026

@GnomeSlice Perhaps you need to read it again.

GnomeSlice

ಥ_ಥ

StrixVaria

I can't believe you're not suspended right now.

Anna Lear

21:01

@MichaelMrozek Hah. Yeah, I wasn't sure. :P

StrixVaria

With the way you just returned to this chat.

user15026

@StrixVaria It is disappointing to see this behaviour, for sure.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice I downvoted it because I thought it was bad. I didn't VTC it. I didn't even mention it in chat until you asked why it got downvotes. I don't think I need to justify my downvotes to you any more than you need to justify yours to me

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Well, maybe if you hadn't been talking about me when I wasn't around to defend myself, I'd be in a bit of a better mood, hmm.

Fabian

@MichaelMrozek It took me over a year to actually find that FAQ ;-)

StrixVaria

21:01

@GnomeSlice Something needs to be done about you.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno You just made some joke about going to ask 400 questions about voice acting in every game ever or something.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice Indeed I did.

StrixVaria

When you're not here is the perfect time to talk about it because we don't have to deal with your inanity.

GnomeSlice

Fine. Ban me. I'm not even sure I want to stay here any more.

Anna Lear

@GnomeSlice It'd be nice if you didn't have a history of behaviour that you'd have to defend, too.

GnomeSlice

21:02

@StrixVaria So, anyone who does't agree with you is inane?

@AnnaLear NO SHIT.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice No. But you constantly do crap like this.

You, specifically.

@GnomeSlice.

GnomeSlice

It's impossible to clear my image, because people like @StrixVaria flag me constantly just because they don't like me.

FAE

Guys, can we all chill out a little?

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Like what.

user30

lol drama

StrixVaria

21:02

@GnomeSlice I flag you when you do stupid crap.

Tim Stone

'Ello @ThomasMcDonald :P

StrixVaria

Like come back to chat by saying "@StrixVaria FUCK YOU"

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me stupid.

Ronan Forman

@AnnaLear SLIDD!

Michael Mrozek

Can't you just...not swear? I assume you occasionally need to interact with people who don't like swearing, and you have some sort of filter for it, since most people do. Can't you turn that on here? We'll get to the posting porn stuff later; for now just try to stop swearing and it'll be a win

GnomeSlice

21:03

6 mins ago, by StrixVaria

We could ban him from chat for like 2 years and hope that he matures in that time.

user30

@TimStone This place is becoming more and more uptight by the day

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Use your MtG power! :(

badp

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General Chat Room for Gaming.SE. The main quarters of Gaming's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising." - conversation should be limited to that topic.

user30

@GnomeSlice soundcloud.com/madeon/martin-solveig-the-night-out

user30

^ decent

badp

21:03

Nov 16 '10 at 19:11, by LessPop_MoreFizz

►

Feeds

Juan Manuel has frozen this room.

badp has unfrozen this room.

badp

freezing's permanent dude.

Mana

Whoops.

Fabian

I was wondering what was causing the chat page to refresh, then I saw the freezing notices

badp

shhhh, timeout

OrigamiRobot

21:04

Can I get those cool numbers back?

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Last thing I'm going to say right now. I have nothing against you. I only flag you when you deserve it, the same as I would flag anyone else.

Ben Brocka

Yeah you meant a timeout

badp

oh it was cancelled.

Fabian

I think the freezing cancelled the timeout

StrixVaria

Other people may not flag fairly, but I do.

Lazers

21:05

0

Q: The Gases, Metals, and Medals from Mass Effect 1... Do they have an effect on ME2?

I just finished playing Mass Effect 1 and completed and now am restarting it to finish up to level 60. I noticed that the entire journal is emptied out meaning that I have to, sadly, recollect all the extras from the assignment missions. Before I start grinding through the game for a second tim...

mass-effect

0

Q: Why Sona's passive does not work on inhibitors?

When Power Chord is active, and I hit an unit (champion, turret, etc), I will deal extra damage, and apply an effect based in my active aura (if it is a minion, neutral monster or champion). But why it does not proc when I am attacking an inhibitor ? Power Chord (Passive) (Innate): After c...

league-of-legends mechanics

Tim Stone

@ThomasMcDonald I'm pretty chill, personally.

Fabian

Out of curiosity, is Lazers immune to timeouts?

user30

@Fabian I believe not.

user15026

@Lazers I keep reading Sona as Sora, and get confused.

Anna Lear

@Fabian Hmm. Probably not, since it's not really a user.

user30

21:06

Feb 7 at 23:00, by badp

This room was placed in timeout for 1 hour; please join us in the Town Hall Chat and ask our candidate moderators questions!

user30

^ disregard that, see above for evidence

Anna Lear

@RonanForman I don't know how you guessed that... but drawesome!

Ronan Forman

Why is this game so fun?!?!?!

Juan Manuel

I meant to time out the room, sorry all :)

user15026

@RonanForman I don't know, but I am hopelessly addicted.

user15026

21:07

@JuanManuel No worries. The numbers were entertaining.

Sterno

@GnomeSlice I do apologize if my "joke" made you feel like I was calling you or the poster stupid. It was not my intention. My point was that those kind of questions, particularly if the answer is "No", have very low value and I'd hate to see the site filled with them.

Ben Brocka

@AshleyNunn numbers? I didn't see any numbers

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Your timeout notice is meh.

in English Language and Usage, Aug 9 '11 at 0:51, by random

This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; the topic of this room is "aka The Incomprehensible Room" - conversation should be limited to that topic.

user15026

@BenBrocka I saw giant ones. Either that or frapuccino made me hallucinate.

Ben Brocka

@RegDwightѬſ道 how do you see it?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

21:08

How do I see what?

Ben Brocka

the timeout notice

user30

@TimStone How are you anyway? Been busy recently.

Oak

@Sterno GnomeSlice says your apology is accepted, and he really wasn't trying to offend you

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@BenBrocka By using my eyes.

Ben Brocka

I didn't see one anywhere

Sterno

21:09

For the record I wasn't offended and didn't flag him. bro hug

Tim Stone

@ThomasMcDonald Not too bad, plenty of stuff piling up as usual, but that's pretty typical. How about yourself?

murgatroid99

6 mins ago, by badp

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General Chat Room for Gaming.SE. The main quarters of Gaming's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising." - conversation should be limited to that topic.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@BenBrocka look closer.

Tim Stone

@AnnaLear Is this clue really one word? >_<

Ben Brocka

Ah, I only saw the frozen thing

RegDwight Ѭſ道

21:10

@murgatroid99 Jinx!

Gimme teh coke.

Ben Brocka

In related news, I WAS FROZEN TODAY

FAE

@BenBrocka Thank you, Christopher Lloyd

user30

@TimStone Stressed with school work, just 4 exams to go before I can be sure of my uni place and all that. Who knew group theory could ever be interesting. Also my eye is fucking killing me. Hopefully it's related to the wisdom tooth erupting in my mouth, and not my eyesight degrading further.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@BenBrocka Arnold Schwarzenegger came to visit your place?

user30

Double vision is not fun at the best of times.

Tim Stone

21:12

@ThomasMcDonald Ah, well the stress isn't particularly good, but at least you've almost got it taken care of. Good luck with the exams! As for group theory, I'm somewhat skeptical of its interestingness, but I'll take your word for it. :P

Ben Brocka

@RavenDreamer Fleevee?

Ronan Forman

Would anyone have guessed this?

Tim Stone

Oh, damn. I had to get my wisdom teeth out a year or two ago. Was a pretty simple process, but they were bothering me quite a bit before that.

badp

@ThomasMcDonald :(

Ben Brocka

@RonanForman zelda's lullaby?

StrixVaria

21:12

@RonanForman Zelda. Easy.

Although the triforce is so much easier to draw.

And more recognizeable.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@RonanForman Zelda's Lullaby.

Ben Brocka

notes are also on the wrong...line...things

Ronan Forman

@StrixVaria That's not necessarly zelda though

@BenBrocka Only the right arrows.

Ben Brocka

do do do...do do do do dooo

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Tristan

21:13

@RonanForman How'd you like my Hulk? Also, my geography may be a tad (lot) off.

StrixVaria

@RonanForman It's pictionary. It doesn't have to be perfect.

As long as it gets them to type the right thing in, it's good enough.

Ronan Forman

@Tristan The shorts gave it away, shame they were off the screen.

badp

@RegDwightѬſ道 I never really understood that system for entering notes

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria Pictionary is serious business

4

user30

@TimStone Yeah, I reckon their gonna have to come out, hopefully I can get them done in the next few weeks before I have to really start knuckling down for exams and stuff.

user30

21:14

but then Oxford, so meeeeeh. be worth it in the end.

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka The most serious

user15026

@ThomasMcDonald I can see how things might pale in comparison to that :)

Ben Brocka

therestartpage.com/#

Ronan Forman

@badp The stave is the actual pitch of the notes, and then directions are the controller input.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@badp it was actually quite straightforward. I am sure Wikipedia has seven articles on the subject.

badp

21:15

@RonanForman The first half I got :|

FAE

@badp The N64 had 4 C buttons in the cardinal directions

RegDwight Ѭſ道

You had several notes assigned directly to the buttons, and you could play # or b by using the Z trigger or some such.

Tim Stone

@ThomasMcDonald Ah, fantastic.

badp

@FAE Okay, but matching each button to a note... eh...

Ronan Forman

@FAE You forget the A buttine.

FAE

21:16

@RonanForman well I was mostly referencing the buttons in the pic

OrigamiRobot

@badp It's like holes on an actual Ocarina.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Five notes are more than enough for a great many cultures.

Pentatonic scale

A pentatonic scale is a musical scale with five notes per octave in contrast to a heptatonic (seven note) scale such as the major scale and minor scale. Pentatonic scales are very common and are found all over the world, including Celtic folk music, Hungarian folk music, West African music, African-American spirituals, Gospel music, American folk music, Jazz, American blues music, rock music, Sami joik singing, children's song, the music of ancient Greece and the Greek traditional music and songs from Epirus, Northwest Greece, music of Southern Albania, folk songs of peoples of the Mid...

user15026

@RegDwightѬſ道 This article fascinates me.

user30

Are we all playing Draw Something?

Ronan Forman

I want another zelda game with an actual instrument, they're always the best ones. Coincidence, I think not!

user30

21:18

It's something I have managed to avoid thus far.

user15026

@Ronan I can't believe you got my ugly rock drawing.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@ThomasMcDonald No. I'm only in for the gin. I'm only here for the beer.

OrigamiRobot

@RegDwightѬſ道 You mean @Jin?

user30

yep, app store screenshots suggest draw something

Ben Brocka

I don't plan to get it since Zygna now owns it...

StrixVaria

21:20

@BenBrocka What you talkin' 'bout FarmVille is the bee's knees!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@OrigamiRobot I'm an English mod. I never — never! — mistype "gin" as "@Jin".

user30

If I login with Facebook is it going to broadcast my profile picture with y'all?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Though I sometimes mistype gin as vodka. Mostly whenever I order it.

user30

Because that cannot be a good idea.

StrixVaria

@ThomasMcDonald Yes.

Ben Brocka

21:21

@ThomasMcDonald I'd be more concerned about it posting every time you do anything in game (not sure if it's oneo f those though)

user30

@StrixVaria hmm.

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka It doesn't post to your Facebook wall.

Ben Brocka

Ah, I was concerned it was one of those Open Graph things

StrixVaria

Or whatever it is Facebook calls that thing now.

user30

@StrixVaria Obviously, having never played it, I have no idea, but it doesn't seem to be showing my profile picture anywhere..

Raven Dreamer

21:22

@BenBrocka pidgeon

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/57607/…

Close it!

Ben Brocka

@RavenDreamer oh, I get it

Ronan Forman

Why do people guess things to soon?

OrigamiRobot

@RegDwightѬſ道 We like @Jin here.

@StrixVaria Why?

user15026

@FAE I am not sure what your drawing is :(

StrixVaria

21:25

@OrigamiRobot See my comment on the question.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@OrigamiRobot I like Jin elsewhere, too. Doesn't mean I'm relabelling my bottles after him.

user15026

I hate saying that to people. It makes me feel like such a crappy person. :(

user30

@Ronan oh, hi

FAE

@AshleyNunn It's a 3 coin, took a gamble, unsure of your fandoms

Ronan Forman

@ThomasMcDonald hi

OrigamiRobot

21:25

@RegDwightѬſ道 Do you know about the lasers?

Tim Stone

@AnnaLear Oh...hahaha. I need to remember that they use pop culture reference-type words in this game too, that was a good one. :P

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@OrigamiRobot I know all about the lasers.

user15026

@FAE Doesn't ring a bell with me. :(

RegDwight Ѭſ道

What's a laser?

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I assumed the answer was "It only affects enemies." or "Structures don't take magic damage."

FAE

21:26

@AshleyNunn Sorry!

user15026

@FAE Oh, no worries. :)

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot He didn't ask, "Does it?" He asked "Why does it?" We, as a general rule, are very bad at "why" questions.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria So delete "Why" and call it a day.

Raven Dreamer

@StrixVaria This one was easily answerable, though. Also, you're forgetting that English isn't his first language.

user15026

@FAE Sith...oh, okay, I got as far as knowing it was Star WArs.

FAE

21:28

@AshleyNunn It's really hard to draw the Imperial logo in this!

StrixVaria

@RavenDreamer In its initial state I couldn't think of any answer other than "It doesn't."

And I am well aware that he has very poor English.

I don't hold that against him.

Ronan Forman

@FAE I'm sorry I don't own green.

user15026

@FAE Hey, I applaud your attempt. :)

FAE

Ok taking a DrawSomething break now :P

My b/f was like "I like how you're sitting at your really expensive gaming PC and only using it for chatting while you play cellphone games"

user30

Okay, rather than trawl through the transcript for everyone else's draw something username, feel free to send me something at thomas-mcdonald.

StrixVaria

21:30

That's the second question I've had to edit today because other people wouldn't pull the trigger on closing. shudders

Ronan Forman

@FAE Same.

StrixVaria

LOVE YOUR CLOSE VOTES PEOPLE

We can always reopen when the question isn't awful.

user15026

@FAE Hahaha that is kinda awesome

Tim Stone

@FAE Hey, Gaming PCs deserve a break every now and then too!

Sterno

Who won the LoL contest?

Lazers

21:32

1

Q: Are there other character-specific sidequests except the ones of Garrus and Wrex?

Wrex wants me to find him his family armor, Garrus wants me to hunt down a Salarian scientist. Do any other crew members like Tali, Liara, Ashley and Kaidan feature their own sidequest? If so, how would I trigger them?

quests mass-effect

Sterno

annnnndd... the rollback wars continue :)

Wipqozn

@Sterno ?

Sterno

@Wipqozn gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/20601/revisions

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice WE're trying to remove that tag.

Why do you keep re-adding it?

or adding it to begin with for that matter

Fabian

@Wipqozn You'll have to wait at least 58 minutes for an answer

StrixVaria

21:35

@Wipqozn He's trolling.

Possibly trying to prove a point, but I don't know how trolling gets us there.

Wipqozn

According to him he was unaware of the meta.

via steam

user30

@Ronan An interesting set of words for me.

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn He just started adding it to questions that never had it before

StrixVaria

Something needs to be done about GnomeSlice.

I know he's going to be upset about me talking behind his back again.

But we don't have issues with any other user like we do with him.

Something has to change.

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 I only see the one question.

Are there more?

murgatroid99

21:37

@Wipqozn gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/55013/revisions

user30

@TimStone Was that you?

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 Okay, yeah. I see what you mean. That's very suspicious.

user30

Excellent technical drawing.

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn Both of those questions never had the tag before @StrixVaria posted the meta question

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 yeah, I see that.

Like I said, very suspicious.

murgatroid99

21:38

Those are the only two I see

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 He added one to the Buzz Aldrin question that prompted the meta question.

Which he also added twice.

Tim Stone

@ThomasMcDonald Yeah, hahah

Sterno

I don't know how accurate meta is, but his profile there says he was last on 3 hours ago. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

user30

@TimStone You'll enjoy this.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria Was that question deleted or something? I don't see it on the recent activity list

Sterno

21:40

I think he started adding it with the Buzz one and then found others to add it to, but didn't know there was a meta topic about it

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 It's on the new question list. It has a very low score so it doesn't appear on the main page.

Oak

@murgatroid99 @StrixVaria that question was actually deleted, following a request by the author.

FAE

which of you is Tharius on Origin?

StrixVaria

@Oak Oh, ok.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Can anything be done? He thinks everyone is out to get him. Anything anyone says is just a personal attack because "we don't like him."

StrixVaria

21:44

@OrigamiRobot That had to have come from somewhere.

We haven't randomly isolated and targeted any other individuals.

It didn't happen randomly.

He can play the victim all he wants, but deep down he knows that it's for a reason.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria That doesn't mean he'll ever listen.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Then he should be banned.

It's that simple.

If he refuses to work within the rules we've set.

Which he has shown time and time again.

Then he shouldn't be here.

If he makes an effort to change so that he's not as constantly disruptive,

Then he should certainly be allowed to stay.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria Do we have a precedent for taking action like that based on his behavior?

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 We don't, but we also can't just let things keep escalating over and over and over like they do with him.

OrigamiRobot

@murgatroid99 Precedents have to start somewhere.

StrixVaria

21:47

Someone (an admin, preferably) has to step up and set a precedent.

If he can't fit in.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I know, but on the other hand we need rules and criteria for bans before we start banning people

Juan Manuel

I don't feel this is appropriate conversation

StrixVaria

@JuanManuel Someone needs to say it.

No one else is willing to, but he's been a problem consistently.

Maybe banning isn't the right course of action.

But no action at all is definitely not the right course of action.

user30

@TimStone hahahahahahahahahahahah

user30

@JuanManuel Nor I

Juan Manuel

21:49

There is an option to ignore users in chat, you can use it

badp

@StrixVaria You'd have a point if we hadn't just, yknow, banned him.

Oak

Guys, we are aware of these issues. We are discussing them. Please avoid focusing this discussion on one user, especially a user that cannot respond.

2

badp

Apparently bans are not the way to go.

StrixVaria

@badp He's currently suspended.

Wipqozn

With regards to this trivia thing, I'm pretty sure gnome isn't doing that to troll. As @Sterno said, he hasn't been on meta in ~3 hours.

user30

21:50

@TimStone I thought that was a scrotum for a long time.

StrixVaria

@Oak Fine, but if it keeps up I'm going to come to you for a resolution.

badp

@StrixVaria Oh, I'm talking about the 7 day ban he just came out of

Tim Stone

@ThomasMcDonald Hahahah

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn Edit warring is still not a good thing to do on this site

badp

not any 30 minute affair

2 edits are hardly "edit warring"

StrixVaria

21:50

@badp Which he specifically said that he learned nothing from.

I'll stop now, though.

badp

@StrixVaria So the solution, again, is more bans?

murgatroid99

@badp 2 edits each on two different posts

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 I agree, but I think the accusations of him trying to troll are, in this instance, unjustified.

badp

@murgatroid99 So half as much edit wars?

StrixVaria

@badp Apparently you mods are handling it, so I'll just let you handle it.

Like I said, though, if it keeps up I'm going to keep bothering the mods.

Juan Manuel

21:51

I'LL FREEZE YOU ALL!!1!!!

James

I am not sure who GreatBigFish is but I hope you laugh if you figure out what I just sent to you as a drawing :)

murgatroid99

@badp The same edit war appears to have occurred on two different posts

user30

@RonanForman Aw man

user30

You got that so quickly

James

@RonanForman Haha ,Nice guess man.. That is actually the layout of the counters/sink in my kitchen :D

@ThomasMcDonald I had drawn just the upper part of a martini glass once and the person guessed it in like the third line I drew!

user30

21:54

@James He got archery off a single arrow

James

(Should also be noted this game only has a limited number of words.. I just guessed surfing from someone after finished drawing it for someone else)

user30

I drew loads more as well

OrigamiRobot

Juan Manuel

@OrigamiRobot My hair!

James

@ThomasMcDonald That was my earlier complaint :)

I draw this huge diagram, 3 pictures and a final summary, and WHAM, its guessed in 15 seconds :)

Ronan Forman

21:59

Tip, never draw from memory, most of the time the drawing only means that word to you.

user30

case in point

FAE

@ThomasMcDonald manatee?

Juan Manuel

Man, that game looks fun

user30

@FAE Hippo.

badp

22:05

or is it Hyppo.

user30

@TimStone Was there enough clarification?

user30

For people who have never lived rurally that may have been a foreign concept.

user30

hahahaha

Tim Stone

Yeah. I actually got it pretty quickly, looks like you had a pretty elaborate display there at the end. :P

My phone battery is starting to get angry at me for slacking about all day though...seems I took my iPhone cable out of my bag too, argh.

Oh wow, look at the time...should head home soon anyway, so good stuff.

badp

And that's my 33rd skill point

okay... the skill point for my 33rd level.

Wipqozn

22:17

@badp what class are you playing as?

badp

Soldier.

Wipqozn

Angry birds of prey:

user30

@MichaelMrozek Sounds like a useful thing to post in here. :confused:

Michael Mrozek

Sorry? Random thought

user30

Sorry, I didn't mean to appear rude or anything.

user30

22:30

Just wondered if it was the best thing to say.

user30

Anyway, I am tired, my eye hurts etc etc.

user30

Goodbye.

badp

@Juan well?

GnomeSlice

How do I see suggested edits?

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice gaming.stackexchange.com/review/…

GnomeSlice

22:32

I'm guessing that's what the 1 rep user means on a recently updated post.

Huh. Maybe not.

user30

1 rep user activity could also mean that their change was deleted or converted to a comment

user30

The bump is not reverted in that case

Fredy31

22:45

crashes through angry birds

Michael Mrozek

Someone should make a text-based angry birds. I'd play that

user2334

@MichaelMrozek Exclusive for Blackberry

Michael Mrozek

@MarkTrapp ...well there goes my plan to retire early after writing it

I can still corner the Android/iOS markets I suppose

user2334

Everything under the sun has already been written

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Sorry that things got heated before.

badp

22:55

bah, I'm out of new haven quests and yet I don't have the new haven saviour ach. or do I need... DLC for that?

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