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17:01
This 'procedural generation' thing has made me respect Bethesda a little more. You can't just make a game world with a seed number.
Yet.
I mean
oh hey, styx is on sale for $9
Meh. Seeding is okay and I am still not impressed with 99% of Bethesda worlds
@KevinvanderVelden seemed interested
17:06
Your mom's a hmmmmmmm
@twobugs Name a better one?
They're like the king of open world.
At least 50% of all OW games I can name are theirs.
@Mazura Any open world game, really
Hold on I think I have something for this possibly
@Mazura GTA series
Bethesda games are big and open, but empty and bland
17:08
Dark Souls worlds are incredible as well
Far Cry 3 and blood dragon are pretty good too
Just Cause had pretty neat worlds too, although a bit too big for what content it had, imho
a bit smaller, but more saturated is better
Ugh, consciously or not, i always build them right in the middle
Open worlds are nothing without a command console.
Honestly worlds need to back fun gameplay
17:14
I really love GTA V world
Like if the game is not fun I don't care how big and empty the map is
@Unionhawk Gameplay? Heresy!
there's not a lot of boring areas
Looking at you Fallout 4
and it's just enjoyable to drive around
very often I turn the game on, take a fast car and just drive until cops decide to murder me
and then I alt+f4
17:14
yeah fallout 4 bored me too :/
(I guess not fun is an exaggeration in that case, but it bored me after a bit)
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Q: What is the story behind the new message at app launch?

Montag451Ingress had ADA's nice female voice since its early days as the welcoming message but it has changed over the past few days into something like a quarrel between ADA and a male voice. It goes like this: ADA : I'm being watched The male voice : The tool is in your hands. The scanner is the k...

I still haven't played Fallout 4 past the first abandoned gas station...
SR worlds are nice
hopefully there's a GOTY for 5$ in near future
17:15
You can't walk five feet in Fallout 4 w/o running into 14 guys.
inb4 no there's not, you stupid face
SR4 world was a bit dumb though since like why would you want a car
@Unionhawk but it was so much more fun
Half of my fun in 3 was driving my heavily modified police car with spikes on the wheels around
Popping people's tires bc lol
SR4 seems dumb when you've only played SR3. You'd think it's stupid how they made driving and gangs obsolete, but it's not. It's the most fun I've had in SR games
17:17
FUEL had a big empty map but it was so fun to just drive
SR4 was the bestest
@Chippies That's the coolest place in the game. So, you're done there ;)
the biggest empty map
well one of the biggest
You know what game I should play again?
Shadow of Mordor
now whees that pic of huge gqame maps...
17:18
That game was cool
I'll never give up on Bethesda. They made Morrowind. The game that every modern game tries to emulate, to varying levels of success, including their own new games.
Overwatch is my favorite morrowind clone
@Mazura wat
42 secs ago, by Unionhawk
Overwatch is my favorite morrowind clone
17:21
@Unionhawk I prefer Euro Truck Sim 2
@djsmiley2k I've seen this before. Please provide me with something I have yet to see.
@djsmiley2k I want the one that includes daggerfall to scale.
@RedRiderX it does mention it on the right
@twobugs actually, you know what the best morrowind clone is? The Wind Waker.
17:23
Hremph.
i think ive seen it
@twobugs All modern games are like Morrowind, and yet they usually lack one or more aspects of it. Games are "Dumbed Down" these days.
@Mazura No
Or maybe New Super Mario Bros U
@Mazura no
Pls. This is silly.
17:24
Flappy Bird tried to emulate morrowind
@Mazura I don't think anyone has tried to replicate morrowind in 10 years
@Unionhawk It was dumbed down
@djsmiley2k Yeah that's what I'm talking about
@djsmiley2k FUEL <3
17:24
I could continue with absolutely silly counterexamples but I won't
Probably
@djsmiley2k Where's one with Morrowind?
One of my all time favourite games
oh ffs
:P
Games Done Quick convinced me that Morrowind is actually just a platform jumper game.
I'll leave that to @twobugs
17:25
Nah I have work
wheres the map of nms
And actually Morrowind tried to recreate Home Improvement
I tried Morrowind once. I got lost within 5 minutes and ended up wandering around somewhere picking herbs until I got bored.
It was 2002... no game has broke more ground since.
17:26
or are we over that now?
@murgatroid99 Yes! a game where you can get lost! Kill important people and stuff...
Morrowind felt that vague directions in a journal = adventure!
@djsmiley2k I thoguht that shadow was your babies hair and I was very confused how a a few day old baby had an Afro
my newe jorb is good
17:27
\O/
Skyrim went overboard and put up giant "YOU ARE GOING HERE" markers.
This is such a silly conversation and I am done with it
@Mazura I wasn't killing important people or anything. I was just lost and alone in the middle of nowhere
Ok, yes. The journal sucked. End list of faults.
@Wipqozn HES 6 WEKS but was born with 2 inch long dark hair
17:28
@djsmiley2k \o/
@Mazura I can't tell if you're actually being serious or not
Morrowind was amazing at the time, but it hasn't aged very well
Same... but I am being.
@Chippies I disagree. Get the mods for it.
Yeah no it has not aged well
it was my favorite elder scrolls game, but that's most likely because I played it back when all games were amazing to me
And bam: new game for 2016
17:29
daA
But if we want to talk frustration via puzzles and adventure, I have to go back to 1995. Full Throttle.
DAT HASIR
"Just hit the crack on the wall, it should be at eye level."
@MadMAxJr Word.
The thing you need to click is about 3 pixels of clickable space on a cracked wall.
17:30
lul
@djsmiley2k so cute, lol
.... And now I find out DoubleFine is going to remaster the game in 2017.
ca. 2002 + new mods
@MadMAxJr It only took me about 15 years to learn you could pick up the goo.
Isn't Skrym Final Deluxe EX 2 Turbo edition coming out this fall?
\o/
17:33
gratz @arda thayts impressive7
also, do chat flags just randomly pop up or is there like a specific page to see them?
@Mazura disagree just install mods
@arda they appear in a blue notification circle on the top left of your avatar
Oblivion and Skyrim have cookie-cutter dungeons. Morrowind just used different 'parts' for the most part.
The graphics mods don't impress me
@Unionhawk ok, cool
17:36
@twobugs It's not new textures, it's about the far-seeing hacks and its LOD creation.
You used to only be able to see about 100'
In other news, I only watch a short segment of that video but complaining saying the Skyrim is "dumbed down" and "worse" than morrowwind because it won't let you put yourself into a game ending scenario by killing key characters is pretty dumb.
Right?
The original Deus Ex did the same thing, only allowing you to kil key characters once they stopped being required to finish the game
You can literally softlock on accident pretty easily without essential flags
Now you can see Solstheim from the opposite corner of the map.
17:37
Which is to say I just see that argument as folks looking for ways to rip on new games for no reason other than being hipsters going "old games are so much better hur dur"
Morrowind's skill system is fun but a mess
Older games are inherently better because I played them when I was a kid
@murgatroid99 +1
I can't get myself to play stuff I used to play when I was a kid
yeah being able to kill key characters is pretty hilarious and funny when you decided to kill one of those key characters then you accidently click the quicksave button instead of quickload
@twobugs 'but a mess' is why it "had" to be dumbed down.
You can do anything and everything. Not so much these days with games.
17:39
Another thing I hate that people complain about is the fact games will highlight items you can interact with, but old games didn't
@Mazura ...no
@Wipqozn Pixel hunting was fun!!!!!!1
Multiple useless or near useless skills is bad design
@Mazura OK, the question is: why should a game allow you to do literally anything? What makes that inherently better?
I think there's a subtly to it, if the game wants to act like the real world and allow you to screw yourself over it should. But it should make you aware that killing random people might do that from a very early stage.
17:40
@murgatroid99 Freedom = open world.
And also make it so you can't accidentally kill people.
yeah, and in old games there was nothing in the levels except stuff you interacted with. I'm playing through Thief and prety much all tables and shelves are empty except for a few items I can interact with since the technology back thne couldn't render anymore
Freedom to fail is good game play.
@Wipqozn I think it's fine if it gives you some sort of pop-up warning that you just put the game in an unwinnable state
Which it does.
17:41
@Sterno It does, and there is a backdoor
Such immersion
So now technology can render more stuff, and they put more stuff into the world to make it feel more real, and guess what? That means finding the items you can actually interact with is a bit more difficult, so they added in ways to make it easier
Very freedom
So wow
@Sterno To be honest I think doing this is a fine way too, I just hate the fact you're using the fact Skyrim takes a different but completely legit approach as a way to shit on it for being "dumbed down"
Growing up on text based RPGs will do that to you ;)
17:42
@Mazura Being able to make normal, seemingly logical choices but severely handicapping your character in the process is not
When I play a game, I want to actually play a game, not a fucking myself over simulator
@Wipqozn I didn't even watch the video.
There are multiple weapons and armor classes that just suck
I like it to be like real life, that place where stuff like that happens.
@Sterno I watched a short clip of it, which only addressed that one part
17:42
@murgatroid99 I'm pretty sure the proper way to play Morrowind isn't to kill everyone you see always without hesitancy.
@Mazura Okay I'm out
@Mazura If you want a game to be just like real life, why not just do real things in real life?
I just hate this mentality among some gamers that making something more accessible is somehow "dumbing it down" and making it worse
Have fun with this convo
No save feature ;)
@Ronan Isn't that every game ever?
17:44
Bridge Chat Simulator 2016
@Mazura Killing everyone all the time? No....
yeah you can take it too far when making it more accessible, but the shit I'll see some folks get upset about is dumb
@Mazura Unless you think every game is only good if it emulates exactly the parts of real life that you consider fun and immersive, while ignoring the parts that make it tedious or painful.
Like The Forest? ;p
I will say that I enjoy things like in Deus Ex where you can kill (almost) everyone (including civilians) even if there is no reason to and doing so would make you a horrible person. Then you're actually making a choice to not kill them rather than having it forced on you.
Sure, there are a few key NPCs you can't kill, but I can live with that.
17:45
@Sterno Yeah, you can be awful in the game, but you have to deal with that.
They also went out of their way to make sure you can't even pull your gun out during those times, so it is less immersion-breaking than the games where you can shoot every bad guy but bullets magically bounce off your allies at the same time
And that's a trade off that game designers have to make in an immersive sim
@Sterno Oooh. That's a good solution.
I don't run around killing everyone, but the option to, and the consequences thereof must be in place.
Or it's just a game.
It's still just a game.
Speaking of
TIME FOR THIEF
17:46
What the fuck does "or its just a game" mean
Morrowind is just a game
You don't immerse yourself?
@Sterno for some reason I can't get OBS to pick up thief 2 anymore, and I blame @Unionhawk
@Mazura In real life, the consequences of killing a bunch of people including spending decades in jail. But I'm sure you don't want to spend decades of game time in a game jail for killing game people
@Wipqozn Well, when you said it should do it "automagically", I was pretty sure you were wrong, and that might be where the problem is
That's the most nonsensical string of words
17:47
@Mazura but the real question is: does a 1-foot-high log present an impassible obstacle?
@Sterno It should, once I set it up, which I did.
@Wipqozn try a window capture idk
@Unionhawk yeah but I'm lazy
People make video games so you can do stuff you can't do in RL
@KutuluMike TLC (not anymore ;)
open world + command console = I am god here.
HOLY SHIT A SLOPED ROOF YOU DON'T SLIDE RIGHT OFF OF
Games from 1999 > Games from 2016
17:49
sloped roof? 75 degree angle? no problem, lemme get my horse.
Visual basic is pretty nice. I am already confident I could track a killer's IP in real time
you'd need a GUI
Can't jump off a slope. Strike two.
here, you take the left half of the keyboard and I'll take the right, we'll get it done in 1/2 the time.
That's about it I think.
But you still can't jump off slopes, so w/e
17:52
@Wipqozn Thief does indeed not like you hitting quick save and quick restore at the same time
@Mazura when people (I) say "it didn't age well", graphics is the last thing on my mind
@Mazura OK, I think the fundamental issue with this conversation is that you are taking your own personal standards for fun, immersion, and quality in games and making as though they are the one true correct way to judge games.
@Mazura how is console commands even remotely immersive?
Wait, do you not toggle collision in real life like the rest of us?
I wasn't aware it was an option. I've lived my whole life wrong!
17:56
@Chippies How else do you make it rain on demand?
@murgatroid99 I have to admire your ability to address even the silliest stuff in a calm and reasonable manner
@Sterno Just did the same thing?
@Wipqozn Yeah
hoo boy, Shadow of Mordor Premium Edition is 7.50$ at humble store
I'm in Ramirez's mansion right now. LOOT EVERYWHERE
17:57
I paid 18$ and still only have couple hours of playtime in it
@murgatroid99 Is there some other way to offer your opinion?
@Mazura you can offer your opinion as an opinion, rather than fact
@Sterno I'm doing shipping, recieving, and your mom. I'm also getting the desire to play Dishonored on Very Hard.
@Wipqozn That was a good game.
I really should finish DX:MD before it's too late
But Thief is super fun
either way, Morrowind was great. 10 years ago.
17:59
@Sterno It already is too late. You know you're not going to go back to it.
Playing Thief makes me feel @Unionhawk's age again!
@Sterno So, like, 16?
@Sterno Old? Old old!
@Mazura Without throwing insults like "dumbed down", or insinuating that people play games wrong, like when you said "You don't immerse yourself?"
I think that's technically accurate
Hold on
18:00
I tried playing Thief 2 couple months ago. Lack of my position on the map and the hand-drawn map style made me get lost quite quickly and I quit and never played it again
@murgatroid99 That's the name of the YouTube vid...
Wait. So if I'm always 16, and @Unionhawk is the same age as me, but @Unionhawk ages normally...
@Chippies That's a part of the game I really like
I was 21 when Thief came out. I think
Ffs why did they release the latest as "Thief"
18:00
@Wipqozn that's a part of a game I would have liked 10 years ago :(
I've been spoiled by convenience things in games and I can't go back to not having the convenience
@Unionhawk Because they hate us
Thi4f
@Unionhawk because it's cool to re-use game titles
does anyone here know how to clear queue in Poweramp on android?
@Unionhawk It's not even a reboot
AND THEN THEY SAID DST SUCKS
18:05
I guess when you watch that video, you either agree or you're insulted, which IMO, proves its point ;)
@badp If it's DST all year round, is it really DST?
yes, because then you save twice the daylights!
@badp fuck
@Mazura And this statement makes my point. There's nothing wrong with criticizing design choices you dislike in a game. I've done it myself. But calling it "dumbing down" directly implies that anyone who actually likes those changes is dumb.
So turkey is GMT+3 all year now? dammit
> “I abolished the winter-summer time difference,” the prime minister, Binali Yıldırım, said in a speech to provincial governors.
I like how he takes all the credit
18:12
@murgatroid99 Take it up with that British dude ;p
I have abolished the time difference. Pray I don't abolish it further.
@Mazura When you post the video, and when you state that other games are "dumbed down", then you're explicitly endorsing that view, and that's why I'm taking it up with you.
@badp well no, the problem with DST is the switching
mfw you are shitposting and a family member likes it
For example: I play many games for the story. I don't need to be railroaded, but I like having features such as quest markers that allow me to quickly and easily return to the story. The fact that that feature exists doesn't mean that the game is "dumbed down"; it just means that the game's target audience doesn't have the exact same gameplay goals that you have.
18:20
I tend to really like features like that.
@MBraedley technically yes?
Yeah, I tend to chase the rabbit and it's nice to have markers that'll remind me of the overarching plot.
Plot guidance beacons aren't entirely wrong. Where I need to go is fine. But putting a beacon on every item in a room for a quest like 'Find the murder evidence' is a bit of a killjoy. Finding that sweet spot is tricky.
the best kind of yes.
@MadMAxJr pls. Stop being measured and reasonable. This is the internet, good sir!
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18:24
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Q: How long do I have left to save Bottle & Cappy?

MarioDSWith the last update of Fallout Shelter, Bethesda has added these "limited time" quests. Question is, how limited is that time exactly? What happens when the quests "end", will it still be possible to get the benefits?

And in many games, people who know the game inside and out can optimize their gameplay so that the whole game seems relatively easy. Future games with similar mechanics may feel "dumbed down" to players like that because they can optimize right from the outset. But making the game hard enough for those players would probably come at the expense of making the game unfamiliar and/or impossibly hard for most other players.
Oh. Okay then.
@MadMAxJr Taking something too far is indeed a thing that exists
@Wipqozn I tried to feed Rameriz to his pet lizard things in the basement but they wouldn't kill him
18:25
I want everyone equally unhappy. Each quest just adds a rubber band around your wrist of a different color, with no other context provided.
@Sterno Gosh darn lizards
IMMERSION BROKEN
@MadMAxJr Better: the game comes with real rubber bands, and instructs you when to put each one on your wrist. For that old school "drawing maps on graph paper" feel.
@Sterno If I played Dishonored will it result in you playing that one too?
Maybe. But probably not until THief is done
Also This war Of Mine is on sale
@Sterno That's what your dad said
18:26
Dishonored 2 coming out will make me play Dishonored
@Wipqozn I keep wanting to play but then backing out because I don't want to be super-depressed.
@Sterno yeah but if you get that playtime in now you can just focus on 2
@Sterno nah, just play HR
@Wipqozn omg costs 2usd here lol, buying
@Yuuki I hear it's good
I want depression. At least some different depression from current ones
18:29
That's some emo feels right there
@TimStone you guys still have pennies?
Yeah, 'MURICA
Pennies are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO‌​OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO‌​OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO‌​OOOOOOOOO 50s man
Canada did away with those things forever ago
Holy hell someone on the other end of this conference call is like tapping the table or something and it's being amplified in the phone and I want to reach through and strangle them
18:31
Also tonight for supper I'm having Swordfish
I'm not sure what to expect
Swordfish is alright
Where are all the shieldfish?
Or halberdfish.
Cc @badp headcanon
now I have to rush to clean that fake piercing thingy as I think that was a permanent pen
it says dvd pen
crap
18:36
@Unionhawk thanks for the content warning
I don't think I'd survive
@MadMAxJr Agreed. Enjoy your compass headings, y'all ;)
"Your quest is somewhere in the desert." "Isn't this whole game a desert?" "It's around here somewhere." "You're just telling me to get lost, aren't you?" "DO YOU WANT TO PLAY QUEST FOR GLORY 2 OR NOT?"
I just realized why I think Morrowind was so cool. It was the last game I ever played w/o being able to google it. So it's my own fault as to why all these new games suck.
1 hour ago, by Chippies
it was my favorite elder scrolls game, but that's most likely because I played it back when all games were amazing to me
you were probably young and gaming back then you didn't have 1000+ games available to you at a click's notice
when I played Morrowind, I didn't even have internet, so I spent hundreds of hours on each game I played
@Chippies believe or not, I had times like that. I kinda miss those days
18:44
@arda I don't necessarily miss those days, but I do miss the ability to enjoy things more than I do now
being an adult sucks
I remember when Morrowind came out thinking that the graphics for the water were awesome
@Chippies I miss the times where I had to either find how to enjoy a game or just not play any games, not not having internet.
I have like 850 games now and I pretty much enjoy nothing.
I stopped buying games, because by the time I actually play them, the price has dropped even lower
so I pretty much only buy games that are 75% off or cheaper
Me having a terrible card and my terrible time management probably doesn't help but meh.
even more ambulance noises :( what is going on today
@Chippies I stopped too
@Wipqozn Thieves' Guild Time!
18:49
@Sterno Have fun
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Q: Is it possible to get infinite physical damage with the right cards in Paragon?

WogawellLike in other MOBAs, is there any way to get infinite damage boosts. I know you can get infinite health with Sevarog and his ability but is there anything that allows this to be used for damage? For example: With some hero who can gain max mana from kills, it could be infinite right?

@TimStone drives ice-pick through brain
@Wipqozn It's not painful (yet) but it does feel very uninspired

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