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WillfulWizard

00:44

@Raven I believe you have beaten me in this week's reputation league. shakes fist :)

Raven Dreamer

01:10

@WillfulWizard I had more reputation than Tzenes, once. It was a glorious two days.

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tzenes

03:42

anyone home?

LessPop_MoreFizz

04:18

I'm here

Why do I read EJ the day before a major patch? It only makes me angry at the number of blithering idiots that play wow. :/

tzenes

05:40

:8391 could be worse. You could read the wow forums

LessPop_MoreFizz

:8394 This is a good point.

But seriously, Patch Day EJ is such a cesspool.

On the plus side, it's vaguely gratifying to have the RSS feed from the banhammer up and keep seeing names I reported.

tzenes

Well I think the thing EJ does the best is ban people

gamers are fractious and really need to be brought in line

without heavy moderation that site would be just as bad as the bliz forums

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yep. The Moderation makes the site without a doubt.

it's just days like this one where the sheer volume of garbage comes in faster than the bans can go through.

I almost wish that say... 3 days before a major patch, the site would go onto lockdown, and restrict posting to users with more than X posts or who have been a member for Y months.

tzenes

yeah

or like arena junkies there was a section just for the vets

LessPop_MoreFizz

:8405 Well, there kinda is that in the form of the BB.

but the BB is... different and has a culture all it's own. And also largely isn't about wow.

tzenes

05:45

its not the same

its like an after hours club

LessPop_MoreFizz

Good comparison.

tzenes

I wish TL would move to the arena junkies model

they just aren't aggressive enough with the bans

LessPop_MoreFizz

Though it's certainly where you see the more... interesting and in depth discussions, when new content is actually hard.

Like, it was fun when the Yogg-0 exploit happened and all of a sudden all the Premo folks came out of the woodwork and basically laid out everything they had tried and why they were convinced it was mathematically not possible.

tzenes

I almost never post on TL, because the signal to noise ratio is so bad

I remember that

we were on 1 keeper when it happened

jesus, that was right at the end

before I stopped

oh, funny story

so I haven't played in about a year

and I guess my account got hacked

I just found out yesterday

LessPop_MoreFizz

Was it not tied to your SC account?

tzenes

05:48

yeah

LessPop_MoreFizz

I mean, I guess not.

tzenes

no they're tied

same passwd

I changed it really fast

LessPop_MoreFizz

And yeah, there have been a lot of hacks on inactive accounts in the past month or so. Running theory is that the thieves are paranoid that Blizz will include an authenticator in the Cataclysm box, so they're cashing in all the passwords they've been sitting on.

tzenes

I still have my authenticator I should probably put it on my account

I got it at blizcon last year

LessPop_MoreFizz

I just use the phone app personally.

tzenes

05:50

do they make an android version?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yep.

tzenes

hmmm

LessPop_MoreFizz

us.battle.net/account/support/mobile-auth-download.html

Android, iPhone, and a whole bunch of dumbphone models as well

tzenes

no Verizon :(

badp

07:56

:8403 blech

badp

09:59

I think the amount of questions asked is going down

Like way down.

badp

10:35

21 mins for a googleable question?

gg gaming

sepp2k

11:11

:8444 Maybe people chose not to answer to dissuade you from asking googleable questions :p Or maybe the new design drove away all nethackers...

FallenAngelEyes

12:24

Good afternoon all

badp

12:59

:8447 Maybe we're just dropping traffic :/

Oak

@badp so far looks more or less identical to last week

Oak

13:17

But I do feel a general trend of questions getting asked with lower frequency

Oak

Compared to, say, a month ago

FallenAngelEyes

Well end of October should bring new stuff

Fable III, Fallout: New Vegas, Rock Band 3

badp

Oh well, let's enter a not so cheap question

oh. crap.

self answer. oh well.

Oak

What does that amulet do?

sepp2k

13:38

:8459 There's actually no such amulet, but the ring causes nearby monsters to attack you and each other regardless of whether they're friendly or not.

badp

13:53

Yeah, when I saw the inventory listing I noticed the problem

but then I accidentally typed a key before I could copy paste the line.

TomWij

Hmm...

gaming.stackexchange.com is offline here, anyone else experiencing that?

MBraedley

I can't access meta.gaming.stackexchange.com

TomWij

Only chat is available to me... :S

MBraedley

I've got the main site running right now

Oak

Both main site and meta work for me

TomWij

14:03

What's the domain that refers to it? Or has no domain been registered?

Oak

No domain

Oak

Stack Overflow Blog: Domain Names: The Wrong Question

Posted by Robert Cartaino on October 5th, 2010

Friday night we rolled back the domain name of our first out-of-beta website. After less than 24 hours of existing on the internet, nothingtoinstall.com was reverted to its original public beta name – webapps.stackexchange.com.

We’re sorry for springing this on you at the last minute but – at least at the time – it felt like circumstances didn’t give us much choice.

With deep concerns about domain name choices for the 20+ ongoing public betas and some negative feedback about breaking up the network into smaller domains, we made the snap decision to roll back the name change we had launched barely a day before. We felt that rolling back ASAP was preferable to letting problems grow exponentially through the next week while we discussed and voted and debated. That’s not an excuse; just an explanation. In hindsight, dealing with the community and the repercussions of our decisions should have taken precedence. …

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TomWij

Yeah, I know. Still hope that there will be a domain for each site in the long end...

Ping request could not find host gaming.stackexchange.com. Please check the name and try again.

Pinging chat.gaming.stackexchange.com [69.59.196.211] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 69.59.196.211: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=41

Huh?!

Well, adding my own entries in the hosts file solved it. :D

badp

Gaming seems down indeed

badp@delta:~$ nmap gaming.stackexchange.com -PN -p 80

Starting Nmap 5.21 ( nmap.org ) at 2010-10-12 16:17 CEST
Nmap scan report for gaming.stackexchange.com (67.215.65.132)
Host is up.
rDNS record for 67.215.65.132: hit-nxdomain.opendns.com
PORT   STATE    SERVICE
80/tcp filtered http

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.18 seconds

Oak

Still up and running for me

badp

14:17

what IP address, @Oak?

TomWij

Running here too with the hosts entry.

69.59.196.211

Oak

@badp dunno, can't ping it :)

badp

I'll try and force a cache update in OpenDNS then

Oak

gtg bbl

TomWij

So, basically... No DNS is giving an IP for gaming.stackexchange.com.

You're either able to visit it if the DNS is cached or add the hosts entry...

badp

14:21

can you guys still bookmark conversations?

TomWij

chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/rooms/3/conversation/test

yes

badp

okay, it's a room owners-only problem then.

TomWij

(deleted it now, it serves no other purpose than demonstration in that form)

All Area 51 SE sites show DNS problems now...

MBraedley

yet Area 51 is still working for me

Mechko

14:41

ah I was about to ask what happened

tzenes

I assume you guys can't reach gaming either?

Mechko

nope

fear not

it shall return

I have faith

tzenes

its strange, I haven't been able to reach a number of websites

I don't know if its related or not

since most are passing dns, but I can't get servers to respond

MBraedley

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow Outage

Posted by Kyle Brandt on October 9th, 2010

As you may have noticed many of Stack Overflow’s websites suffered some down time today from 6am EDT for about an hour and Stackoverflow.com is still offline for maintenance. Our collocation provider in Oregon experienced an unexpected UPS failure that caused us to lose power. Once they were able to restore power Geoff, who was already on site, brought up our servers. Stack Overflow itself is still offline because the database, was, well “suspect” according to SQL Server. We have recovered the database and are working to bring it live again. …

I wonder if that has something to do with the problems

tzenes

or the associated move

badp

15:00

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Q: Stackexchange DNS seems to be down.

According to discussion in our chat, and downforeveryoneorjustme, http://rpg.stackexchange.com is down. I can still access it, so I think it's a DNS thing. Update: Gaming seems down too, and a number of others mentioned in the comments Update: Everything seems solidly back up. 2010-10-12 10:5...

Sathya

cool, thanks for the update @badp

LessPop_MoreFizz

:8440 I wasn't referring to Gaming.SE. I was referring to ElitistJerks. Which, on patch days, becomes a cesspool of morons with terrible english and no fucking clue how to read the three posts prior to theirs and insist on doing worthless tests that reveal nothing about the mechanics they intend to investigate.

espais

I have a general Fallout 3 question.....do you guys think that any of the expansions were 'worth' more than others? I'm going to buy New Vegas when it drops, and really debate purchasing a single expansion to hold me over or simply fanagle the GOTY version in with my existing savegames and play it here and there....so basically any thoughts on 'must have' DLC for it?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:8511 Most of the DLC isn't very good TBQH.

espais

@LessPop_MoreFizz: hmm, good to know...i suppose i can wait until NV comes out then :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

15:09

Operation Anchorage is Fallout-as-rail-shooter, and rewards you a few insanely overpowered items. It's nifty if you're into FO universe history, but really linear.

Broken Steel is awesome in that it raises the level cap to 30, and adds new perks, but the new enemies are all just bullet sponges (Seriously, four freaking clips to kill a radscorpion?), the new added story is meh, and really, most of the challenge is evaporating by level 20 anyway, so going to 30... doesn't help there.

The Pitt and Point Lookout on the other hand, are both a lot of fun and pretty cool and atmospheric. They're nothing special, but they're by no means bad, and a nice look at some other corners of the east coast Wasteland. Point Lookout has some bullet-sponge issues though. :/

Mothership Zeta does not exist, never happened, should never be spoken of again.

espais

Good info to have....any news if NV will import any character attributes or is it strictly a fresh start?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Fresh start. It takes place like 20 years later, all the way across the country.

it's not an expansion really. If it was using a new engine, it'd be Fallout 4

espais

15:25

What kind of a character did you roll for your game LessPop?

LessPop_MoreFizz

15:37

In FO3?

I've played it with a couple of builds.

I think my favorite was Stealth/melee with Pyromaniac perk and the Shishkebab though.

espais

I also went with Stealth and went for a small guns / sniper type character. I had more fun sneaking around picking off Raiders than I ever thought I would. I used the hunter's rifle pretty much the whole game. Twas quite fun

LessPop_MoreFizz

15:59

:8526 Have you ever left a surprise in a super mutants pants?

Because that is the best part of stealth in fallout.

alexanderpas

18:13

stuck in Metroid: Other M... not fun this early in the game.

also, give me back my analog stick!

badp

18:57

Warning, dump, warning.

If there are more gaming-related tags on SE feel free to point them out in @-reply to me.

(I've added to the top "ticker" gaming questions from Ubuntu, Unix, Apple, Android and Webapps.)

alexanderpas

nice

badp

Actually they're low enough volume I might as well put them in the main flow with everything else.

alexanderpas

DAMN HUNT-THE-PIXEL!

badp

Still kicking ass aren't we?

alexanderpas

hmm.... this could turn into a walktrough on Metroid: Other M

question after question after question....

badp

19:09

Hrm, the new feeds should've flooded the chat already.

alexanderpas

[gaming], [games] & [game] lol!

seems like the feedreader is smart.

badp

Feeds that are shown with their URL haven't been fetched once yet.

alexanderpas

in that case... uh oh...

also:

badp

coriandoli overload!

alexanderpas

1/5 that's Ask Ubuntu, four to go.

badp

19:18

I'd given it the HTML url, not the RSS url ._.

fail :(

alexanderpas

unix.stackexchange.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=games&sort=new

here's the proper unix one.

badp

:8589 They should be right now

alexanderpas

you probaly want the new feed and not the active feed.

badp

I didn't specify anything actually in the URL.

:8595 I don't think the order counts anyway.

alexanderpas

default is active.

mine is specifically for new questions.

badp

19:27

Again, I think it only affects the order...

alexanderpas

doesn't active brings up older questions back to the top?

badp

okay, they've been fetched

so let's try that again!

alexanderpas

you are just ****-ing around, aren't you? ;)

badp

Also, @alex, adding &sort=new didn't make any further question pop up.

I guess it just changes the order.

:8608 What can I say, I like feed aggregators :D

and those feeds are very low activity.

alexanderpas

I think it knows which questions were previously in the feed.

badp

19:35

(and one click away from being deleted or relegated to the ticker.)

:8613 Yeah, 'cept we still haven't got a single one from WA, Unix, Apple, Android yet

I guess they're too old.

alexanderpas

I guess so too...

also damn... look at my comment here: the actual situation is nicely reflected in the comment.

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A: How to continue after the breeding room?

I don't recall exactly, but it was one of the following ways to get out, from most to least likely. A morph ball tube you can grab near the blast shield. You may need to blow open a hatch over it first using missiles first. A secret passage in the control room under the pod the creature was in...

badp

yeah, the morphballing in the pod creature room was not very, er, I still don't get it. Sorry :)

alexanderpas

shoot pod, see morph ball entry, try standing on it (to become morph ball after you stand on it), can't reach it by jumping (it is just morphball height). solution: become morphball, jump on it, go trough tube entrance.

what were they thinking?

:8623 a waterfall, a boat. (or does he wants the extended version?)

Dear Team Ninja, Please DON'T PUT THREE CUTSCENES BETWEEN A NON-RETURNABLE SAVEPOINT AND A BOSS!

alexanderpas

20:01

seriously? toilets? realism++!

badp

No self respecting game lacks a toilet scene.

GnomeSlice

20:27

^

badp

oh hi

GnomeSlice

That reminded me of the '8-Bit Pwny Club' episode where they talked about the top 5 video game toilets.

alexanderpas

20:54

GO AWAY! (another hunt-the-pixel section... gah!)

GnomeSlice

^

Arda Xi

21:11

@alexanderpas IMO pixel-hunt sounds much better than hunt-the-pixel

GnomeSlice

^ Agreed.

Arda Xi

I've never seen the latter used before

GnomeSlice

I'm not familiar with either term.

But Pixel Hunt sounds better.

badp

fixx0red.

alexanderpas

okay, pixel hunt it is then!

Arda Xi

21:13

votes please

badp

It feels cheap to get +60 for something I've never done :/

alexanderpas

googlefight.com/…

Arda Xi

Exactly

alexanderpas

yet:

Hunt-the-pixel

Hunt-the-pixel (also pixel hunt) is a term used to describe some computer game interfaces involving point and click with a mouse. The term is usually applied to adventure games in which the primary difficulty with some portion of the game lies in finding an object on the screen. In some cases, the required object is quite small, and may be only a few pixels in size. The player may not have any idea what to look for, but often the game cannot progress without finding it. Players often apply the term to any game in which the gameplay is hindered by the frustrating task of determining precis...

GnomeSlice

Ah, thanks.

WillfulWizard

21:15

:8645 awesome.

Arda Xi

there's also an article on wikipedia called armour, yet I'll bet armor is more used

GnomeSlice

I'm Canadian. Armour ftw.

:D

alexanderpas

American and British English spelling differences

British and american English spelling differences are one aspect of American and British English differences. Historical origins In the early 18th century, English spelling was not standardised. Differences became noticeable after the publishing of influential dictionaries. Current British English spellings follow, for the most part, those of Samuel Johnson's Dictionary of the English Language (1755), whereas many American English spellings follow Noah Webster's An American Dictionary of the English Language of 1828. Webster was a strong proponent of spelling reform for reasons both...

Arda Xi

I also see armour as the one true spelling, but there's a lot of people who disagree with me :)

GnomeSlice

^

Arda Xi

21:17

:8654 It was just an example

and yes, I was referring to Americans who would disagree with me

besides, the TV Tropes article is also called "Pixel Hunt"

alexanderpas

TVtropes vs. Wikipedia vs. Google... 2-1 for Pixel Hunt!

Arda Xi

yay

"hunt the pixel" seems to be refactored into pixel hunt by google anyway

GnomeSlice

Really?

alexanderpas

nopes.

Arda Xi

google.com/…

look at the results

alexanderpas

21:20

try searching with quotes.

Arda Xi

that's what I meant, sans quotes

Google doesn't refactor anything within quotes

alexanderpas

pixel AND hunt --- hunt AND (the) AND pixel --- anything noticable?

sans quotes doesn't work for stuff with the same words.

Arda Xi

it will give the results for the most popular query

basically, if you enter hunt the pixel sans quotes it will look for that order first, then find out that pixel hunt is probably what the user was looking for and show results for that

alexanderpas

.. or Save the Pixel by Ben Hunt

Arda Xi

compare avec and sans quotes

alexanderpas

21:27

:8675 TIE: googlefight.com/…

Arda Xi

it's a bit broken, but

GnomeSlice

:P

alexanderpas

broken on your side.

GnomeSlice

^

Never heard of Google fight before.

Must try this.

alexanderpas

quotes do make a difference!

GnomeSlice

21:31

alexander > quotes just force the search to follow the order of terms searched, do they not?

alexanderpas

no, they search for the exact sentence!

"the" doesn't get filtered out (ranked lower as a common word) for example.

GnomeSlice

Alex > Isn't that what I said?

Arda Xi

:8692 More or less

Also, hover over the message and click the arrow to reply to it

alexanderpas

Oak

No @Gnome, exact sentence is not the same as preserving order

Oak

21:34

Since "pixel hunt" will not find the sentence "pixel something hunt"

alexanderpas

Also, How are our roots today?

GnomeSlice

Well what I meant is that it would search exactly following the order the terms in the sentence typed.

Oak

As a side-effect, yes

GnomeSlice

In effect, searching the exact phrase entered.

Oak

But these are not the same :)

alexanderpas

21:39

exactly <s>following</s> the <s>order the terms in the</s> sentence typed.

GnomeSlice

Alexander > Yeah, I've been there, sorry, I'll stop. :)

Oak

When entering distinct terms, their order in the document is ignored. When entering a phrase inside quotation marks, that phrase is searched for precisely, i.e. it will not match if it finds the same phrase but in an extra word in the middle. You probably meant the same thing, it's just when you say "preserve ordering" it makes me think of a query that forces the same ordering of the keywords in a document, but allows other terms in-between.

Oak

(side note - I dislike the math behind all that searching stuff)

badp

feel free to highlight me when migration is required

Oak

I see someone made the mistake of putting you in charge :)

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alexanderpas

21:43

our ninja is back again!

GnomeSlice

badp > I've already marked sandbox as a favourite room, I'm still learning how to use the chat. :P

badp

:8737 Indeed ;D

alexanderpas

wasn't it @balpha?

badp

Now I can move posts I disagree with straight to the bin! mwahahahahaha

GnomeSlice

^

Whats the bin?

I assume its a bad thing

alexanderpas

21:45

:8746 a link

badp

A room I set up to park spam

mainly spam I caused :)

GnomeSlice

I can imagine.

Does anyone have a problem with my habitual replying convention? Should I try to change it?

alexanderpas

??? habitual replying convention ???

GnomeSlice

Alexander > this one. It annoys some people.

Oak

Using "@" is better

Oak

21:47

:8754 or this

badp

@Gnome it's just easier if you @-reply the person or click on the → arrow on posts

Arda Xi

If you're referring to me, I wasn't annoyed, just a pointer

alexanderpas

it takes so much time... try @

Arda Xi

since @ does highlights

GnomeSlice

Mind if I ask why?

badp

21:48

:8761 the main reason is that hovering on a message highlights what you're replying to (hover on this message)

alexanderpas

@a click.

GnomeSlice

Ah, highlights don't look for the user name? They search for the @?

badp

Yeah, @ + three letters at least of the username

strip hyphens spaces etc.

alexanderpas

@gnome it even supports partial names.

badp

that's exactly how comment replies work on the main site, btw.

GnomeSlice

21:49

Well that's silly.

Oak

I always wondered what happens when there's more than one username with the same name / prefix

alexanderpas

also, @ replies go to the inbox when you're not in chat.

badp

:8771 which is quite handy.

Finally, when you're @-replied your client beeps

clicking on the number on your avatar brings you to the latest mention.

see "How do I get someone's attention?" in thine Faq

Oak

I mean, go to stackoverflow.com/users and type "Oak" in the search box

Oak

Which one of us is pinged?

badp

21:51

Well, on the site you need to take part before you can be @replied

and I'm not sure you can @-reply people who never joined

GnomeSlice

I'm confused, if I @reply someone it shows as a colon followed by a number. Is that the user number?

badp

I'm sorry, @JonSkeet, should this work

Arda Xi

:8780 That's the message number

alexanderpas

GnomeSlice

:8782 huh?

Arda Xi

21:52

It's just chat syntax which make the message you replied to highlight on hover

GnomeSlice

Wait, then how does it know who I'm sending it to?

Oak

Oh I see tzenes is also marked as owner

Arda Xi

because it knows who sent that particular message

Oak

You two are always in competition :)

alexanderpas

because the message has been posted by someone.

badp

21:53

@Oak yeah, I gave him ownership to have an owner around 24/7 :)

Oak

okay, now I lol'd. Our two fanatics

badp

and to have somebody check on me ;)

Arda Xi

the reason it uses the id is so that even if you reply to a message posted 2 hours ago you can still see what exact message it was a reply to

GnomeSlice

Arda > Ah, so it's the message number of THAT message not of mine. Silly me.

D'oh!

Arda Xi

if you use @ syntax it will highlight hte last message by that person

alexanderpas

21:54

I think the chat features @JeffAtwood & Team has made are great.

GnomeSlice

@Arda so I can simply type @ and the user's name?

Arda Xi

@Gnome yes you cann

alexanderpas

@Gnome Indeed.

Arda Xi

works if you shorten it too

GnomeSlice

Hmph. This make take some getting used to.

badp

21:55

If you @-reply, the chat assumes you're replying to the highlited's latest message

GnomeSlice

Apologies in advance.

badp

If you :-reply, you're specifying what you're replying to exactly

alexanderpas

try twitter, uses @ too.

GnomeSlice

@badp > Makes sense I suppose. Is that information shown anywhere in the chat?

badp

:8808 ← see the arrow before your name?

GnomeSlice

21:56

Indeed...

badp

click on it :)

GnomeSlice

Aha!

alexanderpas

@GnomeSlice chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/faq

GnomeSlice

Now I understand.

badp

Also, by doing this there's no risk of typos in nicknames

↑ I'm guilty of that :D

Arda Xi

21:57

@badp even with typos @syntax should still work

alexanderpas

:8816 me too

Arda Xi

depending on how long the name is

badp

@Arda not sure

GnomeSlice

Ardo?

Wait, so you only need 3 letters?

badp

:8821 Testing typoes after the third letter :)

GnomeSlice

21:58

Of the name?

Arda Xi

@GraceNote tended to experiment with @FallenAngelEyes iirc

badp

:8824 Yeah. 3's the minimum. That's why your nickname must be three letters long at minimum.

GnomeSlice

@badp figured that out, sorry.

alexanderpas

@ArdiXi trying another typo.

badp

When this feature was introduced I was just 'bp' on StackOverflow :/

GnomeSlice

21:59

What if 2 usernames begin with the same 3 letters?

badp

@GnomeSlice nasal demons

alexanderpas

:8829 he changed his name after the oil spill.

GnomeSlice

@badp I don't follow.

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