The Bridge

GnomeSlice

3:00 PM

@Mana +5

Mana

I AM THE EYE IN THE SKY

GnomeSlice

@Mana ever seen LadyHawke?

Mana

LOOKING AT YOOOOOUUU

No, actually.

GnomeSlice

Alan Parsons did the entire movie soundtrack.

And it had MATTHEW BRODERICK.

Mana

Nice. What a cool guy.

GnomeSlice

3:01 PM

You should watch it somewhere. It's actually a really good movie.

Arda Ξ

@badp Ran that traceroute yet?

badp

Mana

Seems like a godawful movie though. I can just imagine the cheesiness coupled with Alan's synths.

Oh, okay.

badp

@ArdaΞ again you're confusing transport layer and application layer

Arda Ξ

@badp That just means it's a really transparent one.

badp

3:02 PM

because tracert is transport layer, and blocked by the ISP

Mana

Just heard about it now.

badp

and proxies are application layer

Mana

@GnomeSlice You won't convince them to move there

GnomeSlice

@Mana Well, read the summary at least.

Arda Ξ

@badp Do you know what an MITM attack is?

GnomeSlice

3:02 PM

@Mana Of course not, but I can try.

badp

@ArdaΞ Yes, transport layer.

Mana

Oh, I know!

Arda Ξ

@badp Could easily be link layer.

Which is what I'm suspecting is going on here.

badp

@ArdaΞ When I say transport layer I mean both transport and link, which is reasonable given that you don't ever use TCP or UDP without IP.

Arda Ξ

The ISP is connecting you to dyson.com through a bunch of machines, probably Level3 at some point as well.

badp

3:03 PM

I'm sorry for not making this clear enough.

Arda Ξ

@badp And you complain to me about confusing layers.

badp

@ArdaΞ Ever heard of HTTP/TCP? How about TCP/IP?

Arda Ξ

IP is the internet layer.

Not the link layer.

badp

Perhaps that means fusing link and transport is okay, but fusing transport and application isn't.

Arda Ξ

@badp Perhaps, but it doesn't.

Any way. A proxy is just a relay, really.

A relay can be set up on any of the layers.

badp

3:05 PM

Okay, so you mean data link, not network layer, I got confused there. Well, my data link protocol is Bluetooth.

Arda Ξ

@badp Err? I'm not talking about that, unless you believe there's someone sniffing your bluetooth link.

badp

Bluetooth is a data link protocol.

Arda Ξ

My point is very simple. An internet connection going from point A to point B goes through dozens of servers.

badp

...like Ethernet.

Arda Ξ

Any of those servers could be inspecting and modifying your packets.

badp

3:07 PM

X-Nokia-BEARER: 3G

Arda Ξ

Right, that one's added by your phone.

badp

What point along the chain can add this information?

Arda Ξ

The other one isn't.

badp

23 mins ago, by badp

050,644  test-8| Line 36:Header: X-Network-info: UMTS,,unsecured

This one?

Arda Ξ

Yes.

badp

3:08 PM

Well, I guess it doesn't have -Nokia- in the header name

Arda Ξ

I looked it up, it's not a part of the set of headers X-Nokia-BEARER is part of.

badp

Fine, I'm going to get moving.

Arda Ξ

x-nokia-alias The end users phone number. encrypted.
x-nokia-bearer: i.e. GPRS
x-nokia-connection_mode typically TCPIP
x-nokia-gateway-id: Identifies the wap gateway. Seems similar to the use of the Via header
x-nokia-imsi: Imsi value
x-nokia-ipaddress: Internal IP address
x-nokia-localsocket: Internal IP and a portnumber.
x-nokia-msisdn: The users phone number in plain text.
x-nokia-musicshop-bearer Nokias music shop. Typically "GPRS/3G"
x-nokia-musicshop-version: Nokias music shop. The version.

Mana

@GnomeSlice Ohhhhhhhh. It all makes sense now.

GnomeSlice

@Mana You seem surprised.

badp

3:09 PM

→ 17 messages moved to The Android Hell: This Is The Part Where All The Robots Scream At You.

Moving is complete.

Arda Ξ

@badp Nicely done sir.

Mana

@badp Harsh, man! Gnome was just trying to keep things on topic.

GnomeSlice

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1014/technobabble

! ! !

Stack Exchange

Stack Exchange Gaming Blog: Humble Bundle #3 – update

posted on August 07, 2011 by Ronan Forman

Recently The Humble Bundle got another seven games added to the arsenal. Two of these you get just for buying the bundle but another five (formally bundle #2) you get if you pay over the average price. Because of this update, and the fact you’ve only go until Tuesday to pick it up, we thought [...]

GnomeSlice

Oh wow, foolish me, thinking you'd moved YOUR messages.

badp

3:11 PM

@Mana Man, you don't change the topic by telling people to move elsewhere

Bring a new topic instead

Arda Ξ

@badp Your job is not done yet, sir. The plebeians continue to defy your authority.

GnomeSlice

@badp I TRIED.

badp

And you discussed it. We're still discussing ours.

@ArdaΞ While it's no proprietary Nokia header, I still have reason to believe it couldn't have been added by any other hop in the network.

GnomeSlice

(Newtopic)

Arda Ξ

@badp What reason?

@GnomeSlice That's not a topic, that's an image.

Mana

3:12 PM

Well @GnomeSlice, you might as well remove your star since the context is gone now.

badp

@ArdaΞ What other hop can know about my being on "unsecured UMTS"?

GnomeSlice

@Mana How did you...

Joy is the best.

Arda Ξ

@badp Err, the first couple.

All of the ones that are operated by your ISP.

badp

@ArdaΞ Yeah, I guess the other end of the ISP could... technically.

Tim Stone

For what it's worth, I recall a proxy being defined as operating on OSI layers 4 - 7 (transport - application). shrugs </involvement>

Arda Ξ

3:13 PM

@TimStone Thanks.

GnomeSlice

Also, I just noticed he changed his eye colour in each emotion. Creepy.

Mana

@TIM DON'T GO

badp

@TimStone Not what I studied but oh well.

Tim Stone

@Mana returns to gaming mindset

Mana

:|

Tim Stone

3:15 PM

@GnomeSlice Wow, that is creepy. Especially the yellow one.

badp

So, before I go back to "gaming mindset", trying to change the topic by interrupting people with noise is not productive

2

Arda Ξ

It's a chatroom. Unless there's a topic related to gaming to be discussed, there's nothing wrong with going off-topic.

GnomeSlice

I guess I took it a bit far, but I didn't really care, I was just trying to be annoying.

badp

Mission accomplished

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice That's my job. :(

Mana

3:16 PM

Yeah, well, you know who else was just trying to be annoying?

GnomeSlice

@ArdaΞ Can I have my vegetable back?

Arda Ξ

@Mana You?

Mana

Hitler, @GnomeSlice. Hitler.

GnomeSlice

@Mana HITLER?

CALLED IT.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice Your... vegetable?

Mana

3:17 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOM

Tim Stone

@ArdaΞ It's probably best we don't ask.

Arda Ξ

I don't want to know what you meant by that.

Mana

hi-fives @GnomeSlice

GnomeSlice

Jul 25 at 0:44, by GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi You're like one of those people who dangles vegetables in front of animals to make them unconsciously do work for you.

Jul 25 at 0:44, by Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice takes your vegetable

Jul 25 at 0:45, by GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi Jerk. QQ

Arda Ξ

dangles vegetable in front of @GnomeSlice

Mana

3:18 PM

You...

badp

@TimStone btw are you nominating yourself?

GnomeSlice

@ArdaΞ ಥ_ಥ

Mana

You have quite the memory for these things man. I'm rather impressed.

Tim Stone

@badp I think that would be rather silly of me.

GnomeSlice

Of course I do.

Arda Ξ

3:18 PM

@Mana That was only a week or two ago.

GnomeSlice

That's when I learned the meaning of Schadenfreude.

Jul 25 at 0:54, by Arda Xi

                       ----------
                      /          \
                     /    REST    \
                    /      IN      \
                   /     PEACE      \
                  /                  \
                  |      Arda Xi     |
                  |      716 Au      |
                  |   killed by a    |
                  |   yeti, while    |
                  |     helpless     |
                  |                  |
                  |       2011       |
                 *|     *  *  *      | *

badp

@TimStone ...you don't strike me as the kind of person who doesn't enjoy sillyness.

GnomeSlice

@Arda? Helpless? I don't believe it.

Tim Stone

@badp True, but I have two reasons for not doing so. The first being that I'd only feel comfortable nominating if I had spent more time on Gaming, which I'd like to, but I just haven't quite yet. The second is something else.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice Threw a potion of sleeping at me.

badp

3:20 PM

I find the second reason pretty convincing. Ah well

Tim Stone

@badp The second reason is potentially far more relevant than the first.

Arda Ξ

               ----------
              /          \
             /    REST    \
            /      IN      \
           /     PEACE      \
          /                  \
          |    GnomeSlice    |
          |       0 Au       |
          |   killed by an   |
          |   elven wizard   |
          |  while helpless  |
          |                  |
          |       ____       |
         *|     *  *  *      | *
_________)/\\_//(\/(/\)/\//\/|_)_______

Mana

@Tim Are you a Stack Exchange Employee too?!?

Tim Stone

isn't blue :o

badp

WE CAN FIX THAT

GnomeSlice

3:22 PM

Trailer: J.U.L.I.A ( Cardboard Box Entertainment) http://bit.ly/oU6d1g

Tweeted by indiegamescom on August 6, 2011 at 5:11 PM

We should add this twitter account to our chat feeds.

Tim Stone

@badp With lazers?

badp

@TimStone Aye. I see you know already about the process.

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice Why? Not all of are interested in being spammed with the latest freeware games.

Tim Stone

I do try to keep myself informed.

GnomeSlice

@Powerlord They don't actually post THAT frequently.

Or I wouldn't be following them.

Besides, I don't think J.U.L.I.A. will be freeware.

Mana

3:25 PM

@GnomeSlice We already have this account in our chat feed.

badumtsh

GnomeSlice

@Mana What?

Oh, I get it.

Arda Ξ

@Mana Doesn't mean we can't get rid of it.

Powerlord

@Mana I think you mean badumtsh

Mana

@Arda With fiiiiiiire? :3

Arda Ξ

6 mins ago, by Arda Ξ

               ----------
              /          \
             /    REST    \
            /      IN      \
           /     PEACE      \
          /                  \
          |    GnomeSlice    |
          |       0 Au       |
          |   killed by an   |
          |   elven wizard   |
          |  while helpless  |
          |                  |
          |       ____       |
         *|     *  *  *      | *
_________)/\\_//(\/(/\)/\//\/|_)_______

GnomeSlice

3:27 PM

:D

Mana

@Powerlord But...that's babatsh

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice Clearly faked, as no one reads what you say.

GnomeSlice

Aw, someone changed the question title...

Mana

ooooooooooooooooh

GnomeSlice

Revisions

Good thing I have more reps than her.

Wait, she has a pitchfork.

What does that mean.

Mana

3:29 PM

...@GnomeSlice That's a member of CHAOS.

badp

She's paid by SE to make (y)our titles not suck.

2

GnomeSlice

@Mana As in... Get Smart?

@badp My title was perfectly fine.

badp

Except it wasn't.

GnomeSlice

Was too.

badp

We're pushing to make titles full, complete sentences

GnomeSlice

3:31 PM

Whoa, Viewed 1,118 Times?

I LOVE ENGLISH SE.

Mana

@GnomeSlice Yes, and apparently under the top 1000 questions on the site.

GnomeSlice

'This comes perilously close to prescriptivism. I think using a word figuratively, coining a usage or using an exotic usage, is fair game. If Charles Lutwidge Dodgson can do it, why can't @GnomeSlice?'

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice Because it's @GnomeSlice.

GnomeSlice

@ArdaΞ Then leave a comment you jerk.

8

Q: Is "Curiouser" in fact, a word (e.g. in the phrase "curiouser and curiouser...")?

Is "Curiouser" in fact, a word? (Yes, this question is very short, but that's really all I need to ask.)

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice Non sequitur.

GnomeSlice

3:33 PM

@ArdaΞ Hah, you thought I wouldn't know what that meant.

But it's the name of a comic strip in my local newspaper.

So I do.

BITCH

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice What does it mean then?

GnomeSlice

It's a term to describe something of an illogical nature.

Or something.

Arda Ξ

Wrong.

badp

VIVE LA FRANCE

Arda Ξ

It means "It does not follow"

badp

3:33 PM

↑ non-sequitur

GnomeSlice

How is that wrong?

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice It does not follow.

Mana

@Arda It is known.

GnomeSlice

Non sequitur

Non sequitur () is Latin for "it does not follow." It is most often used as a noun to describe illogical statements. Non sequitur may refer to: * Non sequitur (literary device), an irrelevant, often humorous comment to a preceding topic or statement. * Non sequitur (logic), a logical fallacy where a stated conclusion is not supported by its premise. * Non Sequitur (comic strip), a comic strip by Wiley Miller * Non Sequitur (Star Trek: Voyager), an episode of Star Trek: Voyager Sequitur may refer to: * Sequitur algorithm

Non sequitur (logic), a logical fallacy where a stated conclusion is not supported by its premise.

badp

(The "it" part is given by the suffix of the verb.)

GnomeSlice

3:34 PM

1 min ago, by GnomeSlice

It's a term to describe something of an illogical nature.

Arda Ξ

Non sequitur () is Latin for "it does not follow."

GnomeSlice

I was pretty close...

Arda Ξ

@badp Very good!

What are you, Italian or something?

badp

What? Me? Italian?

That's offensive! flags.

GnomeSlice

"@PLL you get a +1 on that comment just for the "humourectomy" ;-) (Of course, I'd spell it "humorectomy"...)"

Arda Ξ

3:35 PM

That's what I thought, but still.

GnomeSlice

I love the people on English.SE.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice BLASPHEMY

The U is the holy vessel.

Mana

@GnomeSlice Really? Bleugh.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice If you love them so much, why don't you join their community?

GnomeSlice

They make me feel even more below average than usual.

And I'm okay with that.

@ArdaΞ I hang out there sometimes.

Arda Ξ

3:36 PM

@GnomeSlice Go hang out there more.

badp

Me too, actually, although rarely.

GnomeSlice

@ArdaΞ Gimme back my fucking vegetable.

badp

@GnomeSlice It's right next to your regular one. >_>

GnomeSlice

@badp ಠ_ಠ

badp

(LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL XKCD)

Arda Ξ

3:37 PM

puts a stick on @GnomeSlice's head, puts the vegetable on the end on a string and turns @GnomeSlice in the direction of EL&U

Mana

Oh my goodness, so much tension!

GnomeSlice

Whu... why is my location displayed as Earth, TX in my profile?

Is there a town called 'Earth' in Texas?

badp

@GnomeSlice What was it originally?

GnomeSlice

@badp I have no idea, but probably just 'Earth'

Mana

@GnomeSlice I assumed that was a joke you made. I assumed this because it was dumb and didn't make sense.

badp

3:38 PM

@GnomeSlice Actually yes.

Tim Stone

@GnomeSlice Yes

badp

> Earth is a town in Lamb County, West Texas, United States.

Tim Stone

Conveniently situated among a field of pie charts.

GnomeSlice

Wait... so... SE figured that I was dumb and didn't know what State I lived in, and added it for me?

badp

I imagine you must then be the possession of @thomasmcdonald

GnomeSlice

3:39 PM

1

Q: Is there a specific name for a portmanteau of two alternative spellings?

This question came about in a discussion between myself and another user of the Gaming.SE chat after I linked in this chiptune track called An Eskimeau Experience Here is the gist of the discussion: It's either Eskimo or Esquimaux. Not a portmanteau of both. "Eskimeau" is a portmanteau...

terminology alternative portmanteau-words

badp

> That's like calling something a biscookie.

Cookies are called "biscotto" here!

GnomeSlice

@badp Take it up with @Arda

badp

We like our cookies well cooked.

GnomeSlice

6^ Maybe a spellmanteau? – F'x Feb 17 at 13:45

+1 for Word Cocktail

1

A: Is there a specific name for a portmanteau of two alternative spellings?

I think you should probably just call it a portmanto or a portmanteaux.

Hahahaha.

Arda Ξ

@badp Then biscookie is both Franglais and Engtalian.

GnomeSlice

3:43 PM

I wonder which answer I should accept.

The top two answers are both very good, but defy one another.

Mana

@GnomeSlice Compile both of them into one answer by you and then accept it.

GnomeSlice

@Mana Then it would be a self-deprecating answer.

Mana

All the better. I love self-deprecation. Especially when it involves you.

GnomeSlice

Also, why the heck does this guy have a crazy symbol after his username?

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice That's a long story.

GnomeSlice

3:45 PM

@ArdaΞ Nevermind then.

Arda Ξ

Ask your new community.

GnomeSlice

Seriously though, which answer should I accept here?

1

Q: Is there a specific name for a portmanteau of two alternative spellings?

This question came about in a discussion between myself and another user of the Gaming.SE chat after I linked in this chiptune track called An Eskimeau Experience Here is the gist of the discussion: It's either Eskimo or Esquimaux. Not a portmanteau of both. "Eskimeau" is a portmanteau...

terminology alternative portmanteau-words

Arda Ξ

The one with the most votes.

Mana

@GnomeSlice It seems as though as a result of the whole CHAOS thing you're now allowed to have one symbol after your name, as long as it isn't a trident thing.

GnomeSlice

16 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

@Mana As in... Get Smart?

Oh wait, that's KAOS.

Mana

3:46 PM

There's probably a more technical reason explaining why but until one's provided to correct me here I'm happy to be satisfied with that reasoning.

Arda Ξ

@Mana I could always call myself Aρδα Ξ.

Mana

@Arda and I could call myself M¯\(ºдಠ)/¯a

Arda Ξ

No you couldn't.

Try it.

Mana

shush yes I could

Arda Ξ

Try it then.

Mana

3:49 PM

bah, I'm joking man. Why do you have to do this to me?

Arda Ξ

So you can't then.

Mana

> Display Name can only contain a-z, 0-9, spaces, apostrophes or hyphens and must start with a letter or number

Arda Ξ

Weird. It accepted my Xi.

Mana

Yes, because it's a single symbol after your name.

Tim Stone

The message is a little (entirely) misleading.

Arda Ξ

3:50 PM

What's the regex again?

I recall Jeff posting it somewhere.

Mana

I could be Mana ಠ but not Mana ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯

(to my bitter disappointment)

GnomeSlice

I don't even know how to change my username.

Not that I ever would.

Arda Ξ

Ah. Ψ is a letter, just like Xi is.

GnomeSlice

@Arda have 2 reps.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice In your profile.

@GnomeSlice For what?

GnomeSlice

3:52 PM

@ArdaΞ Comment upvote on English SE.

Arda Ξ

@GnomeSlice What comment?

GnomeSlice

1

Q: Is there a specific name for a portmanteau of two alternative spellings?

This question came about in a discussion between myself and another user of the Gaming.SE chat after I linked in this chiptune track called An Eskimeau Experience Here is the gist of the discussion: It's either Eskimo or Esquimaux. Not a portmanteau of both. "Eskimeau" is a portmanteau...

terminology alternative portmanteau-words

At risk of repeating myself again.

Arda Ξ

You don't get rep for comments...

GnomeSlice

awesomescreenshot.com/040i3pz92

Is it just me, or is the OOPS text kind of squished.

Ugh, way to not onebox.

Mana

It is. Meta that stuff.

GnomeSlice

3:55 PM