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17:00
@kalina drmeth.com
Google Chrome could not find it
thus, I conclude it does not exist
Whaaaaat nooooo it's down!
you know, I'm going to not click it
I'm bored.
I've already clicked two links you linked me today
the chance of you linking me porn increases dramatically the more links I click
17:04
@kalina Two?
yes two
I'm tempted to link to the furniture porn site just because @kalina said that
@kalina What were they?
I know one of them was Dr Meth
@GnomeSlice that thing you just linked me and the godus question
@kalina Oh, right.
17:06
it's only a matter of time before I get linked truckers delight again
I'm not going to post that again.
I wasn't quite prepared for just how much people were offended by it.
Chrome, are you seriously blocking middle-click opening new links because you think they're popups?
Apparently only on one site I'm using.
@GnomeSlice Why not?
@fredley Because I think it's great.
@fredley I think the part of his brain that processes how wrong certain things are is broken
17:07
@kalina Agreed
If there's one good thing that came out of it, it's this
@GnomeSlice It was a video of a trucker raping people. How did you not think people were going to be offended?
@Wipqozn Because it was a video of a lot more than that.
@GnomeSlice The whole video was about a trucker chasing some women so he could rape her.
I'm not engaging in this discussion any more, sorry.
17:12
really guys?
do you think he really needed banning?
really?
@kalina No, which is why I pressed invalid.
It only takes one person to flag something, accusing everyone really isn't apprioate.
Now I want to watch the trucker video.
@KitFox You want to watch a video about a trucker raping a woman?
Is that what you actually just said?
If it's good, yes.
@KitFox If you're 13, you might find it amusing.
17:14
@Wipqozn He did change his name back. We all know that name gets banned.
@kalina What, you want to watch an Oscar-winning movie about concentration camps? You're sick.
And I'm a she.
And I can read the flags.
of course you can
@KitFox they keywords are "trucker" and "delight"
and since stackexchange have just basically said that one of their mods talking about watching such material is not a serious issue, you've definitely enlightened me with the knowledge that Stack Exchange do not think Rape is serious.
@KitFox I'm fairly certain the video in question does not treat the material in the same way as Schindler's List.
17:16
@Krazer kthx
@kalina lolwut?
@kalina Wow, you are presumptuous.
@KitFox The message clearly states "Please use moderator flags in chat only in very serious situations"
Well I'm outta here. Enjoy.
@JasonBerkan I'd guess you're right, but I like to make these determinations on my own judgment.
17:17
As such, discussion of rape is not "very serious" in Stack Exchange's view.
Were we discussing rape? I thought we were discussing a particular video that may or may not contain rape.
@KitFox This has already been established multiple times
And I didn't think there was so much discussion as you jumping on me in a tizzy about something you are imagining.
@KitFox I'm not imagining anything, I've been subjected to the video before.
Ok, so this was weird.
17:18
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@KitFox No, we were discussing the repercussions of linking a video about rape. Surely you can see how "I want to see that." could be misconstrued in that context, yes?
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unplug and replug keyboard, working again.
@OrigamiRobot The repercussions being that some people were offended. Sounds like something a mod ought to review, don't you think?
So no, my moderator flag was not inappropriate, but you guys go sit together in your cute little circle, telling me how rape isn't a very serious issue.
17:21
@kalina Nobody said that
@kalina Nobody said rape wasn't a serious issue except for you.
@ManishEarth The banner disagrees with you
The banner is talking about your flag
Do not put words in the banner's mouth
My flag was about something a discussion that is seriously inappropriate and very much against the rules
to the point where @GnomeSlice has been repeatedly banned
And your flag was about "A moderator saying that they want to see a certain video" Meh.
17:22
@ManishEarth A moderator of stackexchange just openly said they want to watch a video depicting rape
tell me that isn't serious
Yeah, and I bet Kit thought the video was a documentary-like thing or something
omg and I'm an atheist too!
IMO, that's OK.
@ManishEarth You think it's BETTER to watch a documentary depicting rape?
This is just making me want to watch it more.
Was he actually raping people? Or was it a fictional account?
Was it graphic, or did it happen off-screen?
17:24
Here's an idea... How about we just... I dunno... Let the Arqade mods handle it? And not some people who clearly don't know how we operate here? Just a thought.
@kalina Yes. See the Schindler's List argument above. Maybe not one graphically depicting rape, but one chronicling the life of a rapist? That seems interesting.
Wow. The Bridge is always live, huh?
@Fluttershy FWIW I don't think mods handled that flag. I let it pass, myself.
I just came home and I have basically complete trust in @ManishEarth
I didn't touch the flags.
17:25
@Fluttershy There weren't any Arqade mods here.
Well, now we've established that a portion of Stack Exchange's mods think videos depicting rape are ok, let's move on before the rest of my faith in humanity is destroyed.
@kalina What exactly do you mean by depicting?
Aww. Let me find a kitty pic for you.
:11713016 Any user which is a moderator on any site has moderator powers across all of chat.
also
17:26
I'm with @kalina on this one. @KitFox, act like a professional, not a child. You don't find rape offensive, fine. Don't be condescending to someone who does.
:11713016 Yeah, it means that they're moderators on at least one site, which is what the chat mods are.
Because (a) The word "depict" wasn't used. It was "a video about a trucker [...]"
if we are talking about the message by OrigamiRobot quoting Gnomeslice
Which could very well be a documentary
Oh ok.
17:26
the message was self-deleted and didn't receive any flag that I can see
@badp We're not. It's about a coment by gnome.
@Fluttershy I don't think many people find a video depicting rape unoffensive.
A few messages above.
That isn't what he was saying.
I've seen plenty of documentaries about horrible things. They're interesting. Not that I'm a sadist, but it's interesting how these people tick.
17:27
@Fluttershy I didn't say I don't find rape offensive. I think kalina is hugely overreacting.
Not only do the Stack Exchange mods think such material is OK, they also belittle people who don't.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Stack Exchange belittles people who have issues with rape.
@Fluttershy Nobody said Kit didn't find rape offensive. Kit just thought it was OK to watch a video about a rapist trucker.
@Wipqozn oh. It may not help that I've put him on ignore yesterday.
@kalina I have issues with rape and do not feel belittled at all.
17:28
@badp It was a picture of a giant middle finger. It was a gift-capture from that truckers delight vide.
@kalina Just because you know what the material is doesn't mean we do too
@ManishEarth If you're uninformed, don't speak about the subject.
@Wipqozn I've now seen it.
Again, from the context, it seems like it's a documentary type thing. That's what I would expect.
@ManishEarth ...except that it was discussed what that material was before the comment in question.
17:29
@ManishEarth sorry to but in. It's not a documentary, google it. It's easy enough to find.
@Powerlord And from that discussion I make the same conclusion as the message above
It's basically a extremely sexist cartoon about a trucker harrassing women
So. Um. Somebody took a gif from a bad video and that makes the gif offensive?
@kalina So when I say "I want to know more about the thing I don't know about", don't attack me.
@KitFox @ManishEarth Just to be clear, the video was not a documentary. It was animated video which was meant to be funny, and the humour was intended to be derived from a trucker raping multiple people.
17:29
@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, now I know. Then, neither I nor Kit knew
@Wipqozn Yep
Which is why everyone took offense from it when i was first posted, and why people were stating they don't understand why gnome didn't realize it would be received so poorly.
I mean, the part where the gif is a multicolored flashing epilepsy-inducing middle finger is probably enough on its own for a flag
To be clear: None of us think rape is OK of unoffensive. I personally do not want to watch that video now that I know exactly what it is, and most probs neither does Kit.
But given the context it seemed like a documentary, which is why Kit was within her bounds to say she wanted to watch it.
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And that in no way implies that Kit or SE find rape to be a non serious matter.
17:31
Well, if I could figure out which one of the myriad YouTube videos it was, I would make that judgment for myself.
Also, although I do think @kalina overreacted, I do agree that your original message came across that you wanted to watch a comedic video about rape, @KitFox. I'm not saying you wanted to, but that's just what it looked like to those of us familiar with the vide.
Are we on the same page on this?
Nope, to my mind, you're all sick people.
@Wipqozn So is it comedic or not?
reminder: moderators don't have the right to be official SE spokespeople so no, anything we say only reflects ourselves and not the company by which we are not employed
17:32
@ManishEarth Was this message (THE VERY NEXT MESSAGE) not clear enough?
21 mins ago, by Wipqozn
@GnomeSlice It was a video of a trucker raping people. How did you not think people were going to be offended?
@Wipqozn As someone unfamiliar with the video, it really sounded like a documentary thing.
@KitFox It's intended to be, which is why kalina found your comment so offensive.
@Ullallulloo Yeah, which is why I added that last part.
Claiming ignorance after you joined a conversation where the contents of the video had been clearly discussed is your own problem, and does not reflect on me or my reaction at all.
@KitFox comedic in the sense of most rape jokes, i.e. victim blaming, sexist and an epitome of rape culture
I am really fascinated by the idea that on the one hand we have a group of people who seem to react as though it was live video of babies being murdered, and on the other hand, a bunch of people who are reacting as though it was a teenage fart joke.
17:32
On the 3DS soft-resetting is L+R+START right?
If you do not understand the topic, don't join in.
Also, this video wasn't posted recently.
I'm not sure how it even came up.
@kalina Except you continue to call us sick after we have established our ignorance on the topic
Jumping in with your size 12s and making assumptions only makes you look stupid.
@user56652 On a regular DS it's L+R+Start+Select. Haven't tried on a 3DS yet.
17:33
@kalina It is the role of a moderator to jump in and handle flags, deal with it.
Well, not clearly discussed. I asked a bunch of question. They weren't answered.
@StrixVaria I just tried it, and it's that minus the select button.
@badp It is the role of a moderator to establish the facts before making conclusions
@user56652 Good to know.
I do not long for the day when people see a flag from "The Bridge" and say "oh fuck that I'm not going to touch it"
17:34
No facts were established before the initial conclusion was made, so you failed at your role.
@Powerlord Alright, that is pretty clear now that I know about the video, but at the time I didn't find it too odd
@StrixVaria That sounds right... pretty sure it's 4 buttons rather than 3 to avoid accidentally doing it.
@kalina Kit was not applying mod powers here. We need not check the facts just to jump into a conversation.
@kalina What exactly was the action that was taken?
As long as it's not A+B+Start+Select which would make it impossible to save in Link's Awakening without resetting the system.
17:35
What conclusion?
@StrixVaria I'm on a 3DS XL by the way. If it matters.
...dafuck?
I wasn't there so please enlighten me. It's an honest question.
@badp ...Kit posted a message. A non-mod-hat-on message: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11712759#11712759
@ManishEarth The action I do see is Krazer hand-deleting the message, sparing Gnome a 30 minutes automatic timeout
17:37
@Powerlord I'm soft-resetting just for a female Fennekin. If I felt like having no life for the next few days I could soft-reset until I find get a shiny one.
hm. Gnome has a 1hr ban though
@badp Yet GnomeSlice got banned for 60 minutes
@badp Gnome got a one hour suspension.
Which is completely unjust
@user56652 By the way, in TF2, it is possible to force players to play domination lines using a server-side mod. I've already written one. However, it's not possible for a client to do it.
17:37
@badp I am telling you as well. He got a 1 hour ban.
@kalina Is it? I would've been more disappointed with no suspension at all
@ManishEarth That was kind of a piss-poor way to jump into the conversation. The fact that we're continuing to discuss this is pretty ridiculous. There was nothing to be done about @kalina's flag (as serious as the subject may have been), but continuing on this path has served little purpose other than continued provocation, and I am skeptical that anyone involved is unaware of this.
"I am fully charged!" for medics is voicemenu 1 7 I think
@Powerlord I figured that, but most servers I play on I don't know the moderator/owner to ask them about it.
@TimStone I love you.
17:38
@TimStone They're just going to claim more ignorance, as is my experience with the vast majority of Stack Exchange moderators
@Manis I don't think kalina was mad about the first message, so much as she was pretty pissed off at Kit's reaction after being called out on wanting to watch a video of a trucker raping someone. That reaction was "If it's good, yes." That's offensive.
If the majority of Stack Exchange moderators are in fact so ignorant, maybe they shouldn't be moderators?
I should update Force Domination Sound to add an option for players to play it themselves. Right now admins can do it via /dominationsound @all [class]
@TimStone The issue was not the flag itself, it was that kalina was making wild conclusions about the flag and attacking Kit.
@Powerlord Is that done through the console or does it need a mod?
17:39
What's Kalina's flag?
(@OrigamiRobot please bear with me I'm kind of slow tonight)
@badp She flagged @KitFox's message that stated she wanted to watch the video
Saying that it was inappropriate for a moderator to want to watch a video depicting rape.
@TimStone That's bonkers.
@user56652 Needs a mod. This one specifically.
@badp Kalina flagged Kit's message with a message of incredulity that a moderator wanted to watch a rape video. That was declined, and she got a banner saying "flags for serious issues only"
Which there really isn't anything actionable about, because the message taken by itself isn't offensive.
17:40
...which went downhill
@ManishEarth Yes, because the conversation produced that response.
@Powerlord That's an oddly convenient mod you have made. I wonder how much it'd cost to host a decent TF2 server.
I think @Tim actually gets the underlying issue here
So fine, I disagree that my flag was inappropriate but because you can only flag one message that's a limitation of the system. It's still inappropriate to state you want to watch something like that only a few lines below being told what's actually in it.
General lack of sensitivity is also a serious issue, in conjunction with the subject matter at hand.
@kalina Again, the context doesn't say exactly what's in it. It could very well have been a documentary
17:42
@kalina I'll have to agree to disagree.
Yeah, I'm bowing out too. It's pointless to continue this.
@ManishEarth You keep using that argument like it makes everything OK
Yes, because it invalidates your core point "Only a few lines below being told what's in it"
People have to decide for themselves on what videos they want to consume for whatever reasons they want. Saying that's inappropriate for somebody to say that they want to watch a video about raping implies that the somebody wants to watch the video because they'd basically get sexual gratification out of it, and the implication is offensive.
I don't ban you every single time you talk about your consumption of illegal drugs. Please afford to others the same freedom you are afforded.
@badp This is a WILD jump. Don't make assumptions about my problem with this topic of conversation. Making a jump to that conclusion is absolutely disgusting.
17:45
Well, having watched it now, I have to say that it was totally not worth spending any sort of time even discussing.
@badp I have been banned many times for this particular topic
@KitFox No, it wasn't.
@ManishEarth Again, I think "it was a video of a trucker raping people." was pretty clear... doesn't sound like a documentary at all.
@KitFox I'll take your word for it and stop trying to find the link.
At the end of the day:
- gnomeslice should've been banned, and did
17:47
@ManishEarth The problem is expressing desire to see a video on this topic needs a very, VERY, specific context to not be offensive. That context was not present at all.
@badp Did she ever say it was for fun, or did she mention using it for medicinal purposes (and having a prescription)?
- kit couldn't be banned, but she watched the video, and that should be punishment enough
justice is restored to the world
let's move along.
@badp, still on 13.10? How's it?
yes please
moderators should be bannable from chat just like every other user, and it should be using the normal flag process
17:48
and stop pinging me
@jokerdino actually right now I'm running Win8 :P
@jokerdino Ubuntu?
@badp boo.
@badp Ugh, it was worse than The Wall.
@kalina handled your flag on AU. Thanks.
@user56652 i think so
17:49
@kalina mods can't get banned?
@tombull89 ... I'm not sure if this is serious or not
That's the LTS version.
Unless it's changed since I last read about it. I quit Ubuntu when they started injecting Amazon ads into their releases.
@user56652 Oh, that's nice to hear.
@jokerdino Don't worry, I use plenty of Ubuntu at work ;)
@kalina yeah it's serious. I thought flags could be raised against them but it was other mods that decided if the flag/ban is valid.
17:50
It's just... not 13.10 Ubuntu.
@user56652 That was 12.10, right?
@jokerdino Sarcasm? :)
@Powerlord No it was later, I'm pretty sure.
@Powerlord What was what? LTS was 12.04.
@user56652 No way? I hadn't heard that. But I'm still on like...8 or something.
@tombull89 you can raise a moderator-only flag against them, they barely ever go through though and it pretty much results in a swarm of blue coming to your room jumping to conclusions based on nothing
17:51
@Powerlord I think so, I couldn't be sure. It's in 13.10 as well I think.
@KitFox Work with me. I'm tone deaf, sarcasm?!
@user56652 Maybe. It's for the reader to interpret.
@jokerdino Yeah, apparently I clicked reply while chat was scrolling and the next post's reply button happened to be pushed to the spot the previous one was at.
Since they love pulling the "i'm not acting as a moderator when I say this" card, they should get banned like they're not a moderator when they say it.
Moderators don't speak for SE
17:51
@user56652 No, I'm serious. Are you serious? Should I talk louder!?
I remember they started the Amazon ads when Ubuntu started the unity.
@KitFox Kill me.
I was unaware there is two different types of flags.
@user56652 No, that's not right. That happened later.
@tombull89 The more you know *
How about we clear some of these dumb stars?
@user56652 Unity didn't have ads when it was made. Not yet at least.
17:53
@OrigamiRobot Owners can clear stars, yes?
That's the spirit!
@tombull89 There are regular flags which 10k+ users and moderators can respond to, and then a moderator only flag. The moderator only flag allows to a custom reason and can only be handled by moderators.
@GraceNote I'm no owner :(
Ohai, @Grace.
17:53
@jokerdino I didn't say Unity itself did. I said when Ubuntu added it in, that's when I first saw the Amazon garbage.
Oh god no
@GraceNote He had his ownership stripped, in what can only be described as the world's greatest injustice :(
@StackExchange DANGER
I wonder who he's going to remove this time.
I still use Windows, but I stopped using Ubuntu when they added ads on principal.
@user56652 Good. There are a lot more garbage right now.
I promised
Oh god this should be fun
17:54
@jokerdino What?
Hey, I was actually clearing stars.
@StrixVaria is a total ninja.
@StackExchange balance is restored!
@user56652 Yes
Why do I come back to owner-wars again?
17:54
Also, =[ poor robot
Apparently "balance" in the force means good only, no evil.
I'm leaving for the sake of preserving myself. Bye Bridge.
Also, hey there @jokerdino :D
I AM TRYING TO CLEAR FLAGS HERE
later @user56652
@FEichinger To be fair I had every intention of destroying his ownership after he finished the job, though I had a suspicion he planned to do it himself.
@FEichinger Not here. :S
Which will bring about the Cataclysm as the gods hurl a mountain onto Istar.
I love you @StrixVaria.
Aaand, that was fast.
@user56652 No
17:55
@GraceNote I haven't even looked at what spawned the owner-wars yet.
@user56652 What is this principal?
I just got back home and I'm still pissed that I had to reinstall today. :(
@FEichinger To some degree or another, I believe a recent discussion led to a bunch of passive aggressive starring. I assumed Origami would've been fine to clear those out while leaving the rest of the stars, so I appointed him. Then war was beginning.
@GraceNote Move every zig
@GraceNote The flaw is in your assumption.
17:57
@GraceNote I never get to stay owner for long.
@Powerlord I'm glad I didn't have to include the year for it to be caught.
Had to fix my spelling of "Bye".
@OrigamiRobot Hmm, maybe I could write a script that keeps you owner. ;>
That would make the wars .... interesting
@Shog9 Does the diamond on your hat represent anything? I can't really make it out.
At this stage I think that between Strix and that short-lived turtle, whatever star situation was present will be swiftly fixed without more ownership shenanigans. At least until I deal with the turtle.
17:58
@ManishEarth I wonder how long it'd take balpha to add the ability to ban moderators after you do that.
@user56652 soft reset is usually handled per-game I think
@Wipqozn It's the diamond of moderatorship
@FEichinger I was in the process of removing the stars.
@Wipqozn it means I'm pretending to be a moderator
@Powerlord technically there already are ways to ban mods in chat :P
17:58
@GraceNote Ah, I see. IT looked like it had stripes, which the moderator diamond doesn't have.
At least I don't think it does... double checks
@Wipqozn It's stylized like the SE logo.
@GraceNote But the SE logo isn't a diamond.
Man, that's a terrible disguise.
You need to have it perfect or people will realize you're a spy.
Right. So it's a stylized diamond.
Oh man. How can we have such terribly slow people as room owners.
17:59
lovely pinned star that completely sidesteps the whole "gathering context before making your conclusion" counterpoint.
@badp THis is what I get for trying to set myself up for a lame joke.
@kalina I wasn't going to clear mine or yours, but somebody did.

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