The Bridge

Jutschge

3:00 PM

Especially cosmetics

fredley

@Jutschge If it's how the game is funded, the incentives of the developer change

DanmakuGrazer

@Jutschge Changing your game in such a way to incentivize the purchase of microtransactions

See Dead Space 3 for example

Or Battlefront 2

Or Shadow of War

This affects everyone

Whether you buy microtransactions or not

Jutschge

Huh I didn't even know you could buy stuff in dead space 3

DanmakuGrazer

You can buy crafting materials, IIRC

Jutschge

haven't played the other 2 games you mentioned though

Frank

3:02 PM

Not to mention the inherent psychological tactics used to funnel players with addictive tendencies to buying said lootboxes.

DanmakuGrazer

Dead Space 1 and 2 didn't have crafting

@Frank I was more talking about any microtransaction

Yuuki

@Jutschge This is like "tax breaks for corporations will increase wages" except the gaming industry.

@DanmakuGrazer In Battlefront 2, I think characters are also locked behind the lootbox system. So it's not just cosmetics.

DanmakuGrazer

Well I was talking about Overwatch in that instance

Nzall

@DanmakuGrazer I like the way how Assassin's Creed: Origins does it. You can buy Drachme (gold), resources and ability points, and weapons, but they only get you so far. For example, buying resources doesn't give you carbon crystals, which are needed for the highest tiers of personal equipment upgrades, and weapons don't level with you, with that legendary you buy either needs to be upgraded for gold or will get replaced with a random other weapon a zone or 2 later

Yuuki

@Nzall That just sounds like a mess of a currency system.

MBraedley

3:05 PM

Shucks, a board game I backed on Kickstarter has a delivery ETA of January, meaning I probably won't be able to play it with the family over Christmas.

Yuuki

Also, Assassin's Creed: Origins has leveled equipment?

wtf?

Nzall

@Yuuki Yeah, it's pretty much an open world RPG, not a action-adventure with RPG elements

Yuuki

@Nzall That just feels wrong.

Nzall

@Yuuki I disagree. Origins is for many people one of the better AC games

MBraedley

(Mind you, their promise was April, so I shouldn't complain about getting it three months early.)

DanmakuGrazer

3:07 PM

@Nzall I mean, that's not saying much

Nzall

also, you still get to jump and climb around in and on buildings

Yuuki

Nzall

@DanmakuGrazer I personally love it. Really good game. I just regret that I gave in to the microtransactions so early. I'm only level 16 or so, but I already have pretty much every upgradeable slot up to one or two levels below max. On the flip side, it turned me into the powerhouse archetype I love to play in games

Jutschge

@Yuuki That's actually one of the (multiple) reasons why my country has really high wages. But I guess any further discussion to this should go to TIF.

Yuuki

Key word is probably "multiple".

Nzall

3:11 PM

TIF --->

Yuuki

@Nzall But what if my TIF tab is to the left of my Bridge tab?

Nzall

And I don't say that because I want to stifle the discussion. I say that because I want to join in but don't want to contribute to the mixing of Bridge and TIF

<-- TIF -->

Yuuki

@Nzall What if I have a vertical monitor and TIF is below the Bridge?

Arperum

@DanmakuGrazer No one cares so much that the Belgian government is doing an investigation into the overwatch lootboxes.

(to see if it is or is not gambling)

DanmakuGrazer

I don't care if it's gambling

Nzall

3:14 PM

      ^
      |
 <-- TIF -->
      |
      v

DanmakuGrazer

It being gambling or not has no effect on how much of a pain it is to get the skins you want

Arperum

Based on something I've read yesterday somewhere in Dutch it sounded like "if it gives you an in-game advantage it's gambling, and thus needs to be regulated like gambling, or be gone from the market really hard.

Nzall

Happy now?

DanmakuGrazer

@Arperum Yeah that doesn't help

StrixVaria

@Nzall Generally you use ^ and v for up and down arrows.

So it lines up.

Nzall

3:16 PM

There, happy now?

StrixVaria

A-, acceptable.

Jutschge

@DanmakuGrazer It being gambling will have an effect on the future use of lootboxes. A lot publishers will try to avoid a 18+ / AO game.

DanmakuGrazer

But not on microtransactions

Jutschge

Also IIRC you can only buy coins in the chinese version of overwache since lootboxes are considered gambling there (i'll search for a source)

Arperum

@Jutschge Plus all the other massive pile of regulations that come with gambling.

Jutschge

3:18 PM

@Arperum It'd be online gambling then tbh which has different regulations in most countries afaik

Nzall

@Jutschge That would require it to be established as gambling in the USA. A lot of games in Belgium are sold with +18 rating

even in the stores

Jutschge

@Nzall what rating system are you using in Belgium?

Nzall

PEGI

that's the EU rating system

Jutschge

Well there's USK in germany for example

Nzall

We also throw symbols on our games which describe the content

dunno if the ESRB does that

Jutschge

3:20 PM

Yeah in Switzerland we have the same.

Nzall

like, games with gambling show dice

Jutschge

ESRB usually has keywords for the content iirc.

Arperum

@Jutschge Yes, IIRC it's significantly more strict in Belgium than offline gambling.

Nzall

The big problem for EA in Belgium is that gambling is heavily regulated here, especially online. Companies need a license, and there is a national blacklist of problem gamblers which any company providing a gambling service or product needs to refuse access to

so if the gambling commission decides the lootbox system is gambling, EA needs a license, AND they need a way to refuse access for problem gamblers

Jutschge

If Belgium decides it's gambling: would PEGI have to adjust their rating (for most of Europe) or would it just be banned in Belgium withut said licence?

Nzall

3:23 PM

it would probably just be banned in Belgium

Jutschge

Well that won't have too much of an impact then tbh

StrixVaria

@Nzall Or they just stop selling the game in Belgium.

Nzall

although other countries may follow their example

Jutschge

@Nzall that will take a loooong time though.

It would have to be either the US or most of europe who enforce a law like that

I think not being able to sell their game in Belgium won't make much of a difference for EA

Nzall

Honestly, considering what's going on in the industry right now, I've decided to boycott the companies who have announced microtransactions in all their future games. I've uninstalled Origin and all games in other clients from either publisher

which I don't take lightly, considering one of them is Civ 6, and I only just reinstalled Star Wars TOR

DanmakuGrazer

3:26 PM

@Nzall Do you count Amiibo as microtransactions?

Jutschge

Meh I don't really care about MTX (i know unpopular opinion). If the game is good I play it, if it's shit I won't

Nzall

@DanmakuGrazer Amiibo is Nintendo, and I don't own a switch

Jutschge

Hell my most played game has MTX and is subscription based. It's still my favorite game because i think it's fun gameplay wise (WOW)

DanmakuGrazer

Hypothetically

Avery

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh

Nzall

3:27 PM

I don't really consider them microtransactions. They're more like DLC with a physical component IMHO, given that they provide extra content for their games

Avery

gotta love it when govt pages don't load

DanmakuGrazer

@Nzall Isn't the extra content usually consumables or hints and such?

Nzall

@DanmakuGrazer I thought they provided extra levels as well

DanmakuGrazer

Depends on the game, no?

I know that in BotW you can get food and stuff from them

Sepia Lazers

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Q: Rename [ac*] tags to [assassins-creed*]

Since the character limit for tags was increased to 35 a few months ago, there are a few Assassin’s Creed tags which haven’t been renamed yet. ac3-liberation -> assassins-creed-3-liberation ac4-kenways-fleet -> assassins-creed-4-kenways-fleet ac-brotherhood -> assassins-creed-brotherhood assass...

fredley

3:31 PM

Protip: Avoid things that are designed to be addictive (unless, maybe, it's a virtuous cycle). e.g. Facebook, microtransaction games, heroin.

Jutschge

@fredley video games in general?

Arperum

@fredley Facebook is rather important for easy communicating with my girlfriend though.

Avery

also ugh why doesn't the supposedly centralized system contain my info uuugh

Jutschge

I mean a lot of things are designed to be addictive. Avoiding them is possible but extremely hard.

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Minecraft: How can I check for lore(Custom enchants) on tools and equipment currently being held by a player

I'm making a map based on elytra PvP and I wanted unique enchants so that flying PvP would be more meaningful and exciting(Consider leaving ideas please. I'll credit you). I got stuck on how to do the enchants. So I know how you can put lore on items as a way of storing information and indicatin...

minecraft-commands

Avery

3:35 PM

well data only goes back to like 2015

who do I even have to contact to get a copy of the data dating all the way back to ~2000

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum well she could just get an account here =p

Dragonrage

You know how to be really popular with gamers? Make a game that is full priced, subscription based, has micro transactions, and has dlcs.

Jutschge

@Dragonrage Basically WoW

Dragonrage

Basically

Nzall

@Avery Is there a general contact address on the site?

Dragonrage

3:37 PM

And afaik half the final fantasy series

Jutschge

I mean it's not the most popular game out there but hey It doesn't get as much shit as BF2

Avery

@Nzall well as a matter of fact, yes, there is.

But I don't think that they have my data

I think that the data I'm looking for is on the hospital I was born in

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Still, there is no PM system here.

MBraedley

@Lazers2.0 switch to the snapshots? Even though commands are somewhat broken in the snapshots right now, I think this is going to be my answer for basically every minecraft-commands question.

Nzall

@Jutschge One thing that makes it different is that A) everything that WoW sells as microtransactions is unique and can't be gotten any other way and B) all of them are cosmetic. Well, all of them besides the WoW token, but that was mainly added to curb the gold selling epidemic

Arperum

3:39 PM

@MBraedley Did so much change in the snapshots recently?

Avery

I might pay the hospital a visit later

dunno if they'd hand me my data as a minor though. they should, but IDK if they will.

Nzall

It's not like blizzard is selling Invincible (a rare mount) for 25 EUR in their store

Jutschge

@Nzall what about level boosts or pets for pet battles (know most people don't play pet battles)

IIRC Lil' Ragnaros is one of the strongest pets in the game and it's only available with real money (also it serves as a cooking fire)

Nzall

@Jutschge WoW expressly is designed to have most of the content at max level. The level boost is added as a way for players who haven't played in a long time or who don't want to level yet another character to be able to skip past most of the boring stuff. Also, it's paying like 60 USD to skip maybe 2-3 days of leveling

Kevin van der Velden

Also it wasn't available until several years after release

Nzall

3:42 PM

WoW microtransactions are also priced higher to push people away from them

Kevin van der Velden

I feel that in skipping things like that that does matter

It changes it from "You can pay us to skip playing our game" to "You can pay us to skip playing our game so you can play with other people that are already there"

Nzall

People also don't complain about Lil Rag being so strong, because pet battles are mostly viewed as fringe activity and don't give any real power

MBraedley

@Arperum Oh yeah, it's a second coming (or third or fourth coming) for commands.

Jutschge

@Nzall I mean you'd have to spend 2100$ to unlock everything in BF2 aswell. That would certainly stop me from buying anything

Most MTX are designed for people with a lot of money (or for people who can't handle their money). That's where the profit is.

Nzall

@Jutschge yeah, but you don't spend that in one go. BF2 MTXs are smaller, so you don't notice that you spend 2K on a game

if I look at everything which I spent on WoW so far from tokens, transfers and a couple of store items, that's probably like 2-300 EUR. meanwhile, I spent the same amount on the game and all expansion, and a multiple of that on the sub

MBraedley

3:46 PM

As with many command updates, things are simultaneously more complex and less complex, easier and harder. On average for this update, things are more structured, more complex, but easier.

Nzall

I think closer to 200, and probably lower

I think I bought 4 tokens so far, 2-3 pets (all at a discount) and 2 server changes

Jutschge

I mean usually the expansion is 50.- CHF and a year of Wow costs about 100.- CHF

Nzall

yeah. and I played 8 years

and own all 7 expansions

Jutschge

I'm pretty sure I spent 600+ just on the subscription and DLCs

And probably a lot more on race/server changes

Nzall

so that's 350 EUR for the expansions and 1200 EUR on sub costs, assuming 150 EUR per year (13*12, probably close)

Jutschge

3:49 PM

Depending on the guild you're playing in have to pay these "expensive" character services

Nzall

Also, WoW expansions are such that you pay the single price and get every single thing from that expansion cycle, and not that you buy the expansion and then need to spend another wad on each patch

Jutschge

Like right now I can't raid mythic with my alts because I just switched to another guild on another server and I don't wanna transfer my other 10 alts for 25 CHF each

Also maybe I'm required to purchase a race change to a goblin for KJ just for the rocket jump. (although I hope I don't have to). These things add up quickly

fredley

@Arperum Unfollow everyone, lose the addictive part (the newsfeed), retain messaging.

Nzall

@Jutschge You don't HAVE to do mythic with all characters in the same guild. Unless your origin server doesn't have a guild with mythic on farm

@Jutschge what class are you?

Jutschge

@Nzall currently maining disc priest

Who doesn't have any jumping abilities.

Which sucks for the knockback in the 2nd transition on mythic

Goblin jump is about the only reliable way to not die

Nzall

3:54 PM

@Jutschge The transition ALWAYS has the knockbacks landing in the same corner

Jutschge

Huh when did they patch that?

Nzall

so if your guild does the tactics properly, you can just stand in the right place

they hotfixed that a few months ago

You're talking about the Darkness phase, right?

Jutschge

Hmm maybe josh's guide is outdated then^^

yep

Nzall

The first orb always lands in the back right corner, I think

Jutschge

Well yeah then I can at least save my money (and class fantasy) on that race change

Nzall

3:55 PM

and the second orb in the front right corner

how much gold do you have?

Jutschge

about 1 mil

Nzall

I think that's enough for 2 faction changes

through the WoW token

and Battle.net balance

so you can transfer over 1 character to begin with and then slowly move them over as you get more gold

If you are progressing on KJ Mythic, check out the FatbossTV guide, they explain the entire fight ability by ability

KJ is a fight really focused on timings and handling the overlaps correctly

Jutschge

Hmm I used to watch them but I recently started watching method and Jack since they have specific healing guides

I always feel like fatboss basically just describes the dungeon journal in a video

Nzall

Kil'jaeden Mythic Guide - FATBOSS

►

Jutschge

@Nzall If you're a disc everything's about timing :P

Nzall

3:59 PM

No, they do more than that in their mythic guides

the dungeon guide just explains abilities, they also explain the timings of each ability, anything which is predictable about when or how an ability occurs and their recommendation for dealing with that ability

like, get a holy paladin to deal with the healer adds

Jutschge

We're not really progressing though tbh. The guild downed him. I joined for antorus but I'll probably also heal KJ (which I haven't seen yet) the next 2 weeks

It's more like "they already downed him and I don't wanna fuck up"

Nzall

If they've already downed him, then that's less stress for you. Listen to your assignments, focus on your own tasks and watch a kill vid so you know when to use certain mechanics

like, know when to use rapture, when to use Light's Wrath, etc

Jutschge

Well that's basically disc in a nutshell

about 80% of your healing comes from cooldowns

Yuuki

The Addams Family set in actual color.

Jutschge

That's also why I prefer jack's guides over Fatboss. He has the relevant timers for disc (or healers in general)

Apparently the first adds are pretty fun since you get to pop everything as disc. That's like 10m raw hps.

Nzall

4:06 PM

Jack's fight is good for healers, but Fatboss also explains the mechanics of the fight and individual responsibilities. A good healer watches both of them

Yuuki

Am I a good healer if I'm top 3 heals per second?

Maximillian

I've started playing Diablo 3 on Torment difficulties for the first time. Lots of screaming and running away.

Yuuki

As a Death Knight tank?

Jutschge

@Yuuki In m+ you should be 1 or 2, in a raid... your healers should up their game.

Yuuki

This was during Nighthold, I think.

Nzall

4:08 PM

@Yuuki were you top 3 on every boss?

Jutschge

Hps isn't as meaningful as DPS though. If everyone plays well you won't have to heal as much

Yuuki

We had cleared it several times already, so I think we were pretty high on gear.

@Nzall For many bosses, like Botanist and Tichrondrius.

But not every boss.

Jutschge

Like right now if you wanna parse above 70% for mistress you'd need to soak tornadoes which you should usually avoid on progression

Yuuki

To be fair, I had the shield legendary.

The bubble shield necklace one.

Jutschge

@Yuuki warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11#metric=hps&class=Any

You shouldn't be above any healers

Well I mean it's good for you if you are but not so good for the healers that are below you

Yuuki

4:11 PM

I time my Death Strikes real well?

I 'unno.

Moacir

Hello everyone

Did you guys miss me?

Jutschge

I mean if the tank doesn't need healing there's always another target that's low life

Also if you have more than 35% (on all healers) overhealing you should consider swapping out a healer for a dps

Fluttershy

@Chippies @Yuuki I'll be around for a bit tonight for the Nightfall if either of you are interested!

Yuuki

@Jutschge Lowlifes? That's a pretty description for what happens if whenever we PUG for the raid.

:P

@Fluttershy I might not be on until later because special occasion dinner and whatnot.

But I think I should still be on, just later than usual.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How to decrease load in time for PUBG for building and assets?

Whenever I load into a game, I constantly have a problem where the buildings around me are not loading in probably. Example here. As seen at the end of the video, my disk usage is high and constantly at %99-100. Here are my computer specs: Graphics - Radeon RX 470 Memory Size - 4096 MB Mem...

pu-battlegrounds

0

Q: Why is this mission not complete?

I'm fairly new to KSP and it took me a long time to finally figure out how to play the damn game because without science you can't get better rockets and without better rockets you can't get into space to get science. However I finally figured out all about EVA travel from the launch pad and got ...

kerbal-space-program

Moacir

4:23 PM

@Lazers2.0 Could be renamed for "How to optimize an un-optimized game"

Yuuki

cc @Ash

Avery

4:38 PM

@Yuuki that's both creepy and cuute

quartata

@Lazers2.0 someday we'll have computers powerful enough to run PUBG on medium graphics

MBraedley

@Yuuki Not sure if I want my gums massaged or not

user15026

@Yuuki Hey, is that Fiona the hippo? I love her.

MBraedley

@Lazers2.0 Well, it is possible to get into space with the base parts in a vanilla install, but that isn't what you're talking about, so I'll just leave this comment here and not on your question.

Yuuki

5:02 PM

@Ash Indeed that is.

Unionhawk

@Ash she's at our zoo and I need to go

Yuuki

cc @GodEmperorDune

Avery

Ugh I really dislike people like these

OH YOU DARE CAN'T AFFORD AN HDD OR DON'T WANT TO BOTHER WITH A BACKUP BEFORE EVERY apt upgrade? LOL GET KILLED AND GET DUMPED IN OCEAN

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Long routes for no reason in AC3

I recently finished AC revelations and started playing AC3. Although the graphics and combat are better, I am not really enjoying the game. I am 30% into the game and I have already travelled 20-30 times to frontier. The path is boring and just "gameless" . Why is there a need to add such long i...

assassins-creed-3

Avery

also the thing has nothing about beta or alpha software. it's literally on a thread about people wanting to downgrade from ff57 to ff56 due to extension incompatibilities.

Unionhawk

5:11 PM

Yeah 2TB is only a couple bucks

Couple, fifty, you know

quartata

"""few"""

Avery

y'see fifty isn't bad for US standards probably

quartata

you know it's only tree fiddy if you move around the decimal point

user15026

@Unionhawk Yes you do.

Unionhawk

Actually looks more like 70

Yuuki

5:13 PM

@Fluttershy @Chippies Whoo, Xur's selling Hard Light.

Unionhawk

That's not

I mean

@Ash it's also festival of lights soon and we get free tickets through the office

user15026

@Unionhawk that's pretty awesome

Unionhawk

Soon as in today apparently

Avery

here's what a couple bucks looks like in turkish liras

Unionhawk

Yeah that's almost a hundred dollars

Avery

5:16 PM

yeah it should be like

92-93

nope, 90.08

Yuuki

Huh, I have the same birthday as Danny DeVito.

Give or take a few years.

user15026

@Memor-X Oh, yeah, once you download them you don't have to be online to read them

user15026

you just can't like...share them or whatever

quartata

@Yuuki is this your extremely subtle way of saying today's your birthday

Avery

@quartata yes

HAPPY BIRTHDAY @YUUKI

6

quartata

5:19 PM

there's no shame in just demanding cake

user15026

@quartata this.

user15026

gets out the birthday party supplies

user15026

What sort of cake would you like, @yuuki?

fredley

we must imagine Sisyphus happy and also as an otter https://t.co/NORUgPbniH

Tweeted by existentialcoms on November 15, 2017 at 10:30 PM

Yuuki

Major recall on foodstuffs, possible listeria contamination.

@Ash Hmm, a fruit-based cake maybe? For some reason, I'm sensitive to sugar in cakes in particular.

StrixVaria

5:28 PM

Just got a paper cut on the tip of my pointer finger and now every time I click the mouse or type a key with that finger it's mildly uncomfortable.

I was going to play Overwatch tonight too :(

Yuuki

Wait. When did you change your avatar?

Avery

@Yuuki it's his first messages with it I believe

Yuuki

5:44 PM

Calculated.

Yuuki

6:02 PM

@mWi1ME fixed it https://t.co/hC6iTCs7l9

Tweeted by VincentZed on October 23, 2017 at 4:49 AM in reply to mWi1ME

StrixVaria

@Avery Do you have a script to figure this stuff out or are you just that observant?

Avery

6:18 PM

@StrixVaria observant.

I do have some scripts and such but nothing for that

ugh.

A long time friend blocked me bc I pointed out her BS.

well

it's been nearly 3 years with her I think

eh

let's see if she'll try to defame me I guess.

DanmakuGrazer

6:37 PM

That makes it sound like you did something bad

Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria apply ductape directly to finger, and forehead I suppose

Avery

@DanmakuGrazer I posted private conversations on a public site. That wasn't so great, but she tweeted "I GOT HIGHEST GRADES AND EVERYONE HATES ME FOR IT" and I replied with a PM of her calling people got lower grades "loser retards", talked about how I'd hate her too if she called me that, how I like her as a friend but how I don't support her acts, and how I don't usually post PMs publicly but I did it bc she sent the link and therefore expected a reaction and I reacted.

and well

she knows stuff I'm open about in places like bridge and discord but very rarely talk about in turkish cycles due to risk of someone spreading the word around and pmuch making my life hell.

and well, I guess I'll see if she will make my life hell.

DanmakuGrazer

Well then

@Avery Hopefully not