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12:01 PM
@Wipqozn I feel bad but this is music I learned about from Anime
@Arperum Unfortunately, no. This pet is not tradeable in any way. It's just funny
 
@twobugs So does having it three times give anything usefull, or is it just a waste of inventory space?
 
It goes into a separate inventory, but technically just wasting space
Pets are like mini-pokemon so they can have different 'breeds' but strangely all 3 I caught were the same breed
 
Sound good.
 
It was just surreal because this is a rare spawn with a 18+ hour respawn timer and I ran into 4 of them in such a short time
 
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Q: What are the minimum requirements for a level 3 Garrison?

two bugsAs of August 9th, the Demon Hunter class has been released in World of Warcraft. These characters start at level 98, and by the time they've finished their starting zone are going to be at least level 100. However, by default they aren't granted any progress in the Warlords of Draenor content - t...

 
12:10 PM
I was frustrated after my first attempt to capture it because it's one of the few pets that can suicide so the rareness is kind of icing on the cake
But then I... immediately found 3 others and caught them all :P
 
@twobugs SO because you catched those, noone else has a chance in those four spots for the next 18 hours?
 
Yes
 
fancy.
 
Greetings. I am Hitler.
 
How many spawning spots does it have?
4?
 
12:11 PM
Across this continent I think it has about... 12-15
wowhead.com/npc=71163/unborn-valkyr The pet, for reference
Actually it appears to have 36 spawns, that's much more reasonable
 
@twobugs lucky :(
 
@twobugs So you took away 1/9 of them for yesterday basically.
 
@Arperum Well this happened over two servers, so not exactly
But I still feel kinda bad :P
 
I did the Broken Shore and DH intro last night, both were very good
 
How much of a dick move would it be to spawncamp those spots for a time.
@twobugs 1/18 then :p
 
12:14 PM
Interesting thing is that we see NPC trainers using various other PokéBalls than standard. Nice touch. https://t.co/2uFx77O053
Neat
 
I wasn't even really trying, I was just grinding quests and ran into these guys on the way
I know in some areas their spawn points are near other super rare spawns that people camp
 
at least it wasn't the Time lost proto drake
people who 'just ran into' that >_<
 
One of my friends ran into the Cata era Time Lost Proto Drake and killed it in the first few days
He later quit :P
I told him he should have sold his account!
 
gah
and i still don't have it
 
I'm kind of getting big into the whole collection stuff
Mounts and pets
 
12:16 PM
though cross-realm kinda screwed over my chances
 
@Unionhawk Yeah that's cool
I hate when they do that for your own Pokemon though because I don't really like the designs for the non-basic Pokeballs :(
 
@twobugs That is one of the things I cannot resist. Collect all the things.
 
Yup! Unfortunately I'm running out of the mounts you can collect through actual work and getting into the list of mounts you have to collect through RNG grinding
 
you'll have to go kill Onyxia (for the 100 millionth time) :P
 
100% genuine outtake of @Hardwick playing #PokemonGo​ when he's supposed to be working. Tsk tsk. https://amp.twimg.com/v/3c2a6b4c-e924-4ecd-b354-5112adf00b7a
 
12:20 PM
See that I don't mind because it only takes about 10 minutes max (most of that being travel time)
 
Good job hardwick
 
The more annoying is like, ICC or Ulduar where you have to full clear or almost full clear
 
or that Tol Barad raid mount
 
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Q: Is there a way to rename a discovery after you upload it?

WondercricketAfter a couple of hours exploring, I discovered a few Star Systems and a multitude of planets. I uploaded a lot of the data, but I had forgotten to rename my discoveries before I uploaded all of my data. I know how to rename before uploading data, but is there a way to rename after uploading data?

 
where you have the RNG, + waiting for PVPers to capture the island first
 
12:23 PM
@KutuluMike Not closing dups if the target lacks an answer isn't anything new, and is a policy from SE. REgulars can't dup close in these situations, only mods. And exactly how you handle this really depends on how old the target is. If the questions were posted within a few minutes of each I'd just dup close as usual, if the original question is 3 years old then we should just do a reverse dup close. Whcih I think I've already done in the past.
 
@sequoiad Honestly what's killing me right now is The Vortex Pinnacle
I just really find that place boring
Stonecore wasn't anywhere near as bad
 
@KutuluMike The policy does make it so that answers will begin to factor into dup closures, yes. How much they came in, and exactly how, remains to be seen. Like we (the mods) already said, we know this has kinks to work out, and that it might not work out. but we've seen a growing problem with users not being able to get answers to their questions because of our current rules getting in the way, and we're not alone - regular users have been noting it as a problem for a while.
 
On the plus side I can farm those dungeons while watching Netflix pretty easily
 
@Wipqozn Ew. That's the worst way ever to do that.
 
Started Season 2 TNG. One of the first eps has Troi getting surprise pregnant with space baby. Off to a weird start
 
12:27 PM
You're basically throwing old, most likely high quality content under the bus, in favor of an up to date answer.
 
Yes because an up to date answer is inherently more useful.
 
@Unionhawk No, it's not.
You can't even guarantee you'll get an up to date answer.
 
...
 
Might as well just delete all my answers, then.
Because they're worse than useless now, you're saying.
 
That's not at all what I said
 
12:29 PM
That's exactly what you said.
 
I said up to date answers are more useful.
 
Every site has an issue with outdated answers.
 
In other news, Culver's is a really good fast food chain
 
Most don't throw their old content out the window, because a new person wants a more recent answer.
 
Are you going to do this for the next 4 months? Just wondering
 
12:31 PM
By reverse duping, you're saying the old question no longer has any value.
@Unionhawk Yes. Every day.
 
OK
 
The policy is wrong.
Completely, and utterly.
 
I have mixed feelings for the new workflow -- you still have to find the duplicate, and potentially close, until the asker finds out that the answers there don't help them? and then you reopen? um. that's kinda weird.
at the same time, if it's not a dupe, it's not a dupe
so uh pick better dupes and there will be no practical difference :P
 
My take on this, and I haven't read up totally so I might be off base, is that it seems like we're over-using dupes for some PoGo questions
 
maybe I misunderstand
I do believe that this is a problem larger than PoGo, though PoGo does nothing to help
 
12:39 PM
It's a complicated issue because there are a LOT of things not working properly with PoGo and many of them look similar
@badp Very likely
And a lot of the PoGo questions we're receiving are not of great quality
I guess I'm sympathetic to both sides because I understand what @Frank is saying but I can see some validity to this new approach as well
 
I see that there's a problem, and that we need to come up with a solution.
I just see this as devaluing the exact thing that Arqade was made to preserve.
This isn't the solution. This is a swing straight into the trash.
 
I dunno. How many Minecraft answers from 2011 are useful today?
 
Depending on the version, I'm going to guess really useful.
Because people play old versions for some strange reason.
 
are we grooming TF2 answers from back then?
 
@badp Every single one of them
 
12:42 PM
or Terraria
or...
 
So the answer is to update the answers.
 
please the "people are still running old versions" is such a terrible argument
 
Not throw them out entirely.
@badp Is it really? Then why do people run old versions?
And if we don't care about them, why don't we just delete questions as soon as games update?
 
because they're bad and they should feel bad
:grump:
Minecraft is the lone outlier on this sorta stuff and keeps raining on my parade
@Frank I have argued deleting questions for mechanics that are no longer a thing, yes. We did delete all minecraft booster questions.
 
For online games, I would wholeheartedly support answer deletion if it's no longer relevant.
 
12:44 PM
but what if I need to ask a question about my boxed copy of Alpha Centauri?
 
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Q: Eggs wont hatch while travelling on a boat

user162392So im on a boat and the average speed is about 15 km/h but the egg progress doesnt change. It worked fine the first day but now it doesnt. It usually works when im near land and travel slower so i guess it only works near land now? Or is the speed required different while at sea?

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Q: Minecraft Music never plays

Dusan DakicAs the title says, my Minecraft ingame music NEVER plays. It's in the Appdata folder, so all's OK there, my Master Volume is on max and all other sliders are on max too. But it just never plays. Only the main menu one does.

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Q: Are eggs sorted in specific order and what determines it?

Antoine HejlíkSo I have a lot of eggs and I found out that they are stored in some strange order. On this picture, I just got 2km egg from Pokestop. You can see that it is 4th in order. My concern is, what determines in which order they are seen there? Obvious thing is that the ones in incubator are alwa...

 
@badp I'm not saying mechanics.
 
I am
 
I'm saying straight up all questions toast as soon as there's an update.
 
Even then, the only older version of minecraft people play is 1.7, because mods, but that's changing as they catch up.
 
12:45 PM
Because apparently updated answers are more important than good, groomed content.
 
@Ronan pretty much, I'd be surprised if anyone was running anything older than the newest version supported by their mods
 
it depends really, I mean a core gameplay question might still be relevent, even if an update has since changed the answer slightly
 
@Frank that's not what the policy suggests. Why does there even need to be an update?
 
Yes, that's hyperbole, because that's where I see this going. This new workflow devalues the very thing Arqade was created to curate.
@badp So every question now has a basic shelf life?
 
@Frank Is that something that surprises you?
 
12:48 PM
We just delete all questions after a month? A year?
 
@Frank Impossible to answer without speculating about the future
 
@badp Seeing as how questions can have multiple answers, yes.
 
could always do version tagging somehow for answers?
 
There's a reason we stripped out versions from questions.
So that they'd pass the test of time.
And not be localized to one specific instance.
 
so a user can actually see if an answer could relate to the question?
 
12:49 PM
@sequoiad No point now.
Might as well just delete the question so someone can ask it again.
 
I think you should look at it as the question having a shelf life, rather than the answers
 
@badp And that's the exact part I am so vehemently against.
 
A question written during the Diablo 3 action house days is going to be written with the AH in mind
and its answers are going to be written with the AH in mind
they probably don't become wrong but they'd be awkward to answer today
 
6 mins ago, by Frank
For online games, I would wholeheartedly support answer deletion if it's no longer relevant.
 
but we don't do that
 
12:51 PM
So basically, we're just applying the premise across the board.
 
replace Diablo with Minecraft and AH with boosters
 
So now all questions are worthless past a certain date.
Might as well delete it all and start over.
 
or whatever thing might be appropriate for terraria
 
Guys
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Q: Is the inability to see other players in-game intentional, or a bug?

FraserOfSmegSo on the day of the PS4 release 2 players actually managed to meet up (what are the odds?!). The problem is they couldn't interact, or otherwise affect one another at all. Is the the intentional, target behaviour or is this a bug/glitch/something that will be fixed in a future update. Two playe...

 
for TF2 consider the old eureka effect
 
12:51 PM
but for a question like "why isn't Game X working?", time will completely change the possible answers/solutions I guess :/
 
That's not developer intent. That's literally "Is this supposed to work in the game?"
 
@Frank if only we could tell when that date is :)
 
I mean, there's a "will it be fixed" but that's not really the main part of the question
 
it would really help with cleaning up those PoGo login questions
 
@badp And hence devalues everything we do.
 
12:52 PM
@Sterno I agree
 
For context, the dev has heavily implied something is supposed to be working there but the servers were overloaded.
 
set them all up to automatically combust in a month
 
Why should we even answer shit if it'll just get deleted shortly?
 
And basically people are trying to figure out if it really works or if they dev is full of shpoopy
 
because they have value in the meanwhile
 
12:53 PM
@Sterno If that's not developer intent, I don't know what is.
 
you eat food even if it eventually turns into waste or rots away
 
@badp The point is ask once, read many.
 
yes, and we're still doing that
 
Help the multitudes throughout the years.
@badp No, you're not.
 
the problem is that what you write helps the people who read less and less as time goes on
 
12:54 PM
@Frank "Should this be working or is it a server issue?" isn't developer intent
 
You're inherently restricting the helpfulness.
 
and that's just a fact of life
 
Im so confused
I thought no man's sky had no multiplayer
 
the most amazing computer book about computers written in the 90s is going to hardly be useful today
 
@djsmiley2k The dev has made some very ambiguous statements about it.
 
12:54 PM
@badp Again. Might as well just delete the site and start over.
 
not that the fact the universe is so huge that people would never meet (that was obvious to me).
 
@Frank we might as well? I dunno, but we won't. so worry not.
 
@Sterno How are we supposed to know that.
 
wait what
so no one knows if it actually DOES have multiplayer?>
 
@badp That's where this policy is leading. And I, for one, refuse to participate.
 
12:55 PM
what the actual fark?
Also, what's the drama atm too?
I hate coming in the middle of double drama time
 
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Q: Can eggs be earned when inventory is full?

Dimitri mxOnce the inventory cap is reached, a message pops up saying that your inventory is full. But can eggs still be obtained when this is the case?

 
now you're making drama about the drama
drama threefold
goddammit @djsmiley2k
 
If the community thinks invalidating content is the way to go, I might as well just leave.
 
@Frank Keep trying until it works? Wireshark it and find out that it's not even sending the right data. Find someone it's worked for. Find more people it hasn't worked for. Do what we do for every other game and experiment. The game is there. This should be provable.
I mean, if it's a server issue (Pokemon Go had some of those!) and starts working later today, we have an answer.
 
@Sterno Huh? How are we supposed to know if what the server is doing is correct?
Or even intentional?
 
12:57 PM
The question boils down to "Is Feature X part of the game?"
 
@Frank you have 295 answers. When's the last time you've systematically gone through them to make sure they're still relevant today?
 
I think you're getting lost in the details of how to get an answer to that.
 
for me it's "never"
 
On the game, does it say 'Multiplayer'
 
@badp Same for me. Does that mean all my answers are invalid?
 
12:58 PM
I almost want the game now to try and figure this out
 
@Frank Do you know?
 
@badp For console games, almost guaranteed still good.
 
@djsmiley2k "Multiplayer" as in you can name a planet and other players will see so.
 
@Frank consoles that could update their games came out in 2006
 
@Sterno No, I'm pointing out we have no way of knowing what is or isn't intentional.
@badp And since when do they change core game mechanics?
 
12:59 PM
@Frank I think you're focusing on intent too much here. It's turning the question into a word game. The core of the question is "Does feature X exist?"
He could rewrite it to remove some of the magic words that trigger people, but it would still be the same core question.
 
@Sterno And how do we know that feature exists?
 
@Frank I don't follow console games, but you don't know that it doesn't happen.
 
Honestly. From what I can see, the dev's one of the worst at actually giving straight answers.
 
@Frank How do I know how much damage a gun does?
 
@badp No, I don't. Does that mean my contributions are now worthless?
@Sterno Through observation and testing.
How can you test something that you can't observe?
 
1:01 PM
@Frank Seems like that could apply here.
If you can't observe it the feature probably isn't there, or is so broken it might as well not be.
 
@Sterno I don't see how; that's the whole reason I voted to close.
 
@Frank no, that's why no one is deleting old posts.
 
I think we are in slightly odder territory with "is this a bug"
 
@Sterno So how do you know the feature even exists?
 
because if we had a magic wand that told us, we'd probable use the fuck out of it
 
1:02 PM
Or is supposed to?
 
that would be so amazing
 
@badp You're just favoring new content over it, even if it still has value.
Content, I have no issues with.
 
@Frank I'm favouring correct content.
 
It's the pandering to new users I so purely loathe.
 
@Frank Things change and words devalue.
It has nothing to do with new users.
 
1:04 PM
Is that starbound refueling question still around?
 
@badp Which I am wholeheartedly onboard with.
 
If not I'm asking one.
 
@badp It has everything to do with new users.
 
imma start asking about minecraft crashing
 
Okay, I feel like if I wrote a question that said "Can I meet other players in No Man's Sky?", the question would be fine, and I believe that's effectively his core question. Yeah, he has some language to the effect of "Is the feature just not there, or is it currently broken?" but I feel like that just gets into word games territory.
 
1:04 PM
at least there's no drama there -_-
 
Whatever.
 
There is no other reason for this policy to exist.
 
@Frank no, if you ask a question today and we found an outdated question, your question, too, would get to supercede the older one
 
@badp Except that doesn't need to happen, because that's literally a bounty reason.
Why else do we even have that bounty reason?
 
@Frank well the whole point here is that bounties kinda only work so well
as in, they really kinda don't work
 
1:05 PM
@badp So rather than work on that aspect, we're just going to chuck out the whole thing and implement a broken policy?
 
we can't improve bounties ourselves.
 
when you guys figured out what you're discussing, can you let me know :D
 
@djsmiley2k pokemans
 
@badp Seemed to work just fine to me.
 
@djsmiley2k turtlenecks
 
1:07 PM
There were some minor issues with it, but not to the extent we should just straight up ignore the entire thing.
 
Coffee!
 
Either way, I'm not dupe voting until we're done with this stupid test.
And I am bitterly against the whole process.
 
So, speaking of new topics
I've bought an airbrush set
Any good ideas for practicing @Frank?
 
@KevinvanderVelden Ooh! What kind of airbrush?
 
@KevinvanderVelden Ooh, nice!
 
1:09 PM
What do you want to do with it?
 
@Frank simple generic single-action set
 
@KevinvanderVelden Single action? Gotta be careful with those.
 
I kinda want to make things like models and weapons, so not kits like you make
 
I need an airbrush, really good for doing damage and giving texture to armour etc I've been told
 
1:11 PM
@KevinvanderVelden How much do you know about airbrush paints?
 
@Frank How so? :o
@Frank approximately 0 =p
 
@KevinvanderVelden Single action means that it sprays as you pull it back.
You can't designate paint flow prior to spraying, like a dual action.
 
Aah, yeah. I'm aware of that
Plus side: Less likely to clog
 
(One of the neat things about dual action is that once you get the flow right, you can lock it in)
 
although first I need to buy another 30-odd see-through pink plastic folders
which I'm sure wont at all cause me to get funny looks from the till person at the discount store
 
1:14 PM
@KevinvanderVelden As far as I know, there are two different types of airbrush paints: acrylic and lacquer.
Enamels might be in there, too; I don't usually pay much attention to paint type.
Lacquers are the crazy fast drying ones; spray it on, and you can touch it a few seconds later.
 
Yeah, acrylic is good for faking wear
 
Acrylics take longer to dry, and you need to be careful when layering; if they're not totally dry, they start mixing.
@KevinvanderVelden One neat thing I've learned about wear and damage is that soldering guns are great for simulating that.
 
@Frank on what material?
 
@sequoiad Plastic, usually.
 
Most of what I know about airbrushing comes from watching one day builds on tested =p
 
1:18 PM
@Frank hmmm, never considered that. I usually work with foam
 
@KevinvanderVelden If you're not painting whole pieces, you'll need to learn taping, as well.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking about a learning project being a dragons egg
 
@sequoiad My gunpla kits are all plastic, and the weaponry is usually heat based, so a soldering gun can simulate beam saber slashes and beam rifle hits.
 
Get some sheet of something plastic, cut it into scales, bend the scales and glue them on a premade foam egg shape
 
@Frank ah nice, I build gunpla as well but don't really do battle damage on them
 
1:20 PM
Uuh, and paint inbetween bending and glueing
 
@Unionhawk what if Trump suggests you guys exit the continent
 
trexit
 
@KevinvanderVelden As long as you're painting solid colors, there won't be any issues.
 
Yeah
Starting with the simple things ^^
 
@Unionhawk mexit
 
1:22 PM
@Frank I've just started on Master Grades after a long time doing HG's
 
@sequoiad I started on Master Grades. :P
My collection is approaching silliness.
 
@Frank well, technicallly my first one was an RG RX-78
then went to HG's as they were cheaper, MG's in the UK were really expensive until about last year
when Bandai actually started importing for amazon, so the price came right down
about the same time they started doing the batman and superman spruekits
 
@sequoiad I got lucky; we have a local gunpla wholesaler that sells to customers directly.
 
A coworker just unironically used #hashtags in an email
 
You can see some pics of my latest kit here
 
1:27 PM
@Frank ah lucky, I used to have to order them from a tiny anime shop in London and wait ages
 
lol, I just got an email about GPS spoofing from IEEE
 
@Wipqozn AND SO HAVE YOU
/cc @Wipqozn on that #sickburn
 
@badp oh snap
BACK TO #WROK
 
@Frank very nice, interesting you went for silver rather than the usual white
 
#typos #orintentional #conspiracy
 
1:29 PM
@sequoiad I specialize in metallic finishes.
 
Man, one of my ex-coworkers really wants to hang out this Saturday and I've blown him off for a while so I probably should this time
 
@Frank nice, I don't tend to paint, just do decals, panel lining and a bit of weathering if I feel it's needed
 
@sequoiad I'm the only one in my local club that likes to do that.
 
like all my 08th MS team ones look intentionally weathered and grubby
 
Probably because it's an insane amount of work.
Like...literally every single piece is painted.
 
1:31 PM
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Q: i can't join with my 4 friends in multiplayer in kirby dreamland in gba I NEED HELP

Florence Joy Pigon Fortalizai can't join with my 4 friends in multiplayer in kirby Dreamland bluetooth or wifi i need help😱

 
I should probably do Gundam stuff like you guys
 
@Frank gotta admit, I'd struggle with painting a whole one
 
At least watch the Gundams
 
@twobugs I don't know, I think I prefer doing more organic forms
 
Well can dragons digest Gundams
 
1:34 PM
I mean, they're slightly more advanced walking ovens but still
 
@sequoiad It's a massive labour of love.
@KevinvanderVelden I like the aesthetics of Gundams.
 
@Frank I love the Zeon suit designs
 
@sequoiad I'm actually the opposite; generally don't like Zeon.
 
Gouf Custom is still one of my favs
 
Absolutely enjoy Gundam.
 
1:37 PM
The only Gundam I've seen start to finish is G
Which is not real Gundam
 
@Frank favourite series?
 
@sequoiad 00
 
@twobugs I would agree, G was the only one I really didn't like
 
@twobugs Unicorn is airing now. It's a pretty decent start.
 
Okay, so start with Unicorn? Is the original series worth watching?
 
1:39 PM
@twobugs It's still good, but noticabley dated now
 
@twobugs If you can stomach dated animation, it's decent.
 
my problem is finding somewhere to watch it
 
It has been re-edited into 3 movies if you just want the main story as well
 
As in a source
and knowing what order to watch things in
And I'd prefer dub
 
yeah the Gundam universe can be confusing if you don't get the different timelines sorted
 
1:40 PM
Guys, @WipqoznSucks is turning out to be one of the best planets.
 
I wonder if they're on Netflix. PRobably not
 
MSG, 08th MS Team, 0080, 0083, Zeta, ZZ, Chars counterattack, Unicorn, F91, V, Turn A is about the right order for the main timeline I think
 
Robotech
 
@sequoiad that's... that is a lot of series
 
@KevinvanderVelden yes. yes it is. It has been going since 1979.
 
1:47 PM
Just start with Unicorn.
And watch 00, if you like a more real world type story.
 
and that's not counting other timeline stuff like Wing, G-Gundam, 00, After War Gundam X, Seed, Seed Destiny
Wing is the one that got popular in America i think, one of the major cable channels showed it
 
G-Gundam is sort of an anniversary special of the series poking fun at itself.
 
oh, and all the manga side-stories and spin-offs from all of the above series
 
Morning
 
Quantum Break has been unshackled from the Windows 10 store and will be on Steam next month.
 
1:53 PM
Potato
Uuh morning
 
Now I have to decide if I care anymore
 
Almost the same thing
@Sterno does it still require win 10 to run?
 
@Sterno Apparently it's neat but not really amazing or anything
It's too bad because I like Remedy as a dev
 
WAIT A MINUTE! There's a new Masters of Orion?
 
Yeah....
I'm not optimistic after MoO3 - Spreadsheet edition
 
1:56 PM
I think it comes out the same time as Deus Ex. RIP
 
I want 2Deus 2Ex pretty bad.
But I'm also eager to get started on streaming my blind 'I haven't read any NMS media' play of NMS on Friday.
 
The No Man's Sky dev is really not handling this multiplayer thing well. He left comments that purposefully seem to be able to be read either way and then stopped tweeting and isn't responding to games journalists asking him to clarify. Really looks like they're trying to wait out the PC release.
Which is dumb because no one was buying that game for multiplayer anyway.
 

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