The Bridge

Frank

2:00 AM

@Unionhawk The question space got so bad we protected ourselves.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank which is a bit funny on a site that originally existed to help with coding tech support

Frank

They were actively dragging down quality.

Unionhawk

Operative phrase here is particular games

Frank

@GodEmperorDune Debugging code isn't tech support.

Unionhawk

That is where the danger is.

I don't care if skyrim modded support is not a thing

We shouldn't have allowed a game specific ban

Frank

2:01 AM

@Unionhawk Well, like I said, I'd prefer to ban modded tech support entirely, but we don't really have much there to point to and say there's a problem.

two bugs

I don't see any point in targeting policy at a specific game when it's easily stuff that could be applied elsewhere

Frank

That said, we can and do close Skyrim questions that go, "I have a problem, I have 50 mods. Which one is causing it?"

Unionhawk

Have we?

Has that even happened?

Frank

Sure do.

Unionhawk

I guess unclear

Frank

2:02 AM

Too broad, usually.

Unionhawk

But we did that with minecraft all the time before anyway

GodEmperorDune

@Frank for too broad, not custom reason "modded tech support"

Frank

As in, "We're not debugging that many mods for you."

Unionhawk

Let me be clear.

Banning a particular game because "lots of people post low quality content for this game" would be detrimental to the health of the site.

GodEmperorDune

in unrelated news, has anyone worked with py.test fixtures before? I have a use case and would like some guidance on if i am doing it wrong

Frank

2:05 AM

@Unionhawk How, exactly?

That sounds like we'd be increasing the quality of the site.

KutuluMike

isn't low quality content detrimental to the health of the site.

Unionhawk

Because it ignores any and all good quality content posted for that game, and disallows the possibility that there might be additional good quality content in the future.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank it makes us seem capricious

and what @uni said

Frank

@GodEmperorDune Having a track record of low quality to point to and reinforce the point is the opposite of capricious.

@Unionhawk That's a good point.

Unionhawk

We would literally be throwing out at least 1000 good quality posts with your supposed dirty bathwater.

Frank

2:06 AM

We would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Unionhawk

That 1000 figure is low by the way.

Hang on

I'll calculate a better number based on tag badgers

GodEmperorDune

this seems more like agreement than arguing now

Frank

@Unionhawk I would like to point out that we have a proven track record of low quality in a certain subject area.

Unionhawk

Cool

GodEmperorDune

you are even using the same metaphors

Frank

2:07 AM

There's nothing supposed about the dirty bathwater.

two bugs

Lots of games have had bad questions

Frank

When the ratio of good:bad questions approaches zero, you have to ask if there's value in allowing the problem space.

If we added all the deleted Minecraft questions, I wonder if we'd even get to an even 1:1 ratio.

Or even a 1:2.

Unionhawk

I am going to give you a real number relating to the percentage of good quality minecraft posts of the whole based on tag badges

Obviously this number is greater than zero, but since you're so fond of making up ratios that you can't possibly know, I figure at least one of us should have a partially accurate number.

NBN-Alex

If I may add though? Is there any available data in regards with searches engines linking to SE for Minecraft questions? (I would imagine that many of those new users would be lost, leading to larger issues on retention)

Frank

@Unionhawk Hey, way to strawman my entire argument.

Real numbers are good. I don't dispute that at all.

GodEmperorDune

2:13 AM

@NBN-Alex i think the traffic data is available to high rep users but don't know how granular they get

Frank

I take exception to the fact that you're downplaying the large amount of junk we get for Minecraft.

Unionhawk

2180 good quality posts based on tag badgers alone.

Your proposal would delete at least 2180 good quality answers.

Frank

@Unionhawk There are over 6000 minecraft questions on the site.

Unionhawk

Making up the bulk of tag badge contributions

Frank

By that metric, only a third of those questions are good quality.

Unionhawk

2:15 AM

Cool, that's still nonzero.

Frank

Assuming that the answers are evenly spread among the questions.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk @uni did you add that up manually or with some SEDE queries?

NBN-Alex

@GodEmperorDune I think there's a real topic here, but it wouldn't be about ArQAde dropping minecraft, I'm thinking more like if Mojang worked a deal with SE on moving Minecraft away

Frank

A 33% quality rate doesn't seem like it's something to be proud of.

NBN-Alex

Like with Wiki and Forums

Unionhawk

2:16 AM

@Frank Fine, let's take a different game shall we

See how this analysis compares

This is imprecise, mind you

GodEmperorDune

@NBN-Alex afaik the only successful 'sponsored SE" like that is ubuntu

Unionhawk

But it's the best I got aside from actually pulling data queries

NBN-Alex

mighty-no-9 has 100% quality post rate.

granted it's just one post

and self answered.

Frank

Doing a quick count, we got something like 100 minecraft questions in the last week.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk if we had the data queries we could compare minecraft to other games instead of some arbitrary ratio

Frank

2:17 AM

There's probably some spam questions and whatnot in there.

But by that metric, we get ~14 questions a day for Minecraft.

GodEmperorDune

compare it to skyrim, etc

Unionhawk

By the same metric, Skyrim has 960 good quality answers from tag badgers.

Frank

That's roughly 5 questions worth keeping a day.

Unionhawk

That's roughly also, 33%.

Frank

Which is a pretty decent level of traffic.

It doesn't count answered, upvotes, or anything.

Unionhawk

2:19 AM

This is strictly "answers by dedicated users vs questions"

Frank

@Unionhawk How are you determining this?

Unionhawk

7 secs ago, by Unionhawk

This is strictly "answers by dedicated users vs questions"

GodEmperorDune

@Frank are you concerned with server costs of that traffic or the potential new users and the content they bring?

Unionhawk

given 27 bronze badgers, and 7 silver badgers

Frank

@Unionhawk What's your query that you are running?

@GodEmperorDune Just traffic in general. Minecraft brings in a lot.

Whether it's good or not is up in the air.

Unionhawk

2:20 AM

@Frank count the badges, subtract higher badges from lower (silver implies bronze), multiply by the requirement

Frank

I suppose what matters is our user retention rate.

Unionhawk

It's imprecise, but

It'll do

Frank

It's decent for ballparking, anyways.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank i mean that's a whole conversion funnel from finding the site to posting first question/answer, etc...

Unionhawk

The rate is obviously higher than that

Frank

2:21 AM

@Unionhawk What you're missing is the moderation overhead attached to the tag. Not sure if that can really be quantified, though.

For all I know, skyrim is a bigger issue than minecraft is.

Unionhawk

And I'm saying that we can't just say "it's too hard to deal with this game, we need to ban it".

Frank

Minecraft just feels bigger.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank moderation by real mods or by high rep users?

Unionhawk

We absolutely can't.

Frank

@GodEmperorDune High rep users.

GodEmperorDune

2:23 AM

high rep users scale though

Unionhawk

Because there's more at stake than just the time of high rep users.

Frank

@Unionhawk That's never been my argument.

It's not that it's too hard.

GodEmperorDune

and i check the review queue throughout the day. it's empty most of the time

Unionhawk

Fine, it takes too much time

Whatever

Frank

It's that it's clearly a problem space and attracts low quality.

Unionhawk

2:24 AM

And yet it boasts the greatest number of tag badgers.

Frank

@GodEmperorDune For something to show up in most of the review queues, it requires action by someone else outside the queue. :P

@Unionhawk Volume tends to have that effect.

For both good and bad.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank flags by low rep users (who scale even better than higher rep ones)

Unionhawk

But you have to consider high quality content at the same time as low.

Frank

@GodEmperorDune For some.

Unionhawk

You cannot claim to want to improve site quality otherwise.

GodEmperorDune

2:25 AM

or first post and late answer queues which are automatic and VLQ which can go either way

Frank

@Unionhawk Yes, you do. I fully agree with that.

Ender

@badp is there a serious movement to remove minecraft from our allowed questions?

Frank

If we could take absolute numbers for questions, I honestly think minecraft would have way more deleted than any other game.

GodEmperorDune

@Ender no, it was a joke

Ender

I was about to flip. LoL

Unionhawk

2:27 AM

@Ender There's @Frank

That's... probably about it

Ender

He said your not important @Frank.

Frank

@Unionhawk I don't care enough to really make a push for it.

Ender

I didn't say it, he did.

arda

@Ender stop

halt

dur

Don't try to cause drama.

Ender

It was supposed to be funny? Did I overstep?

Frank

2:27 AM

I'm just saying that minecraft clearly has some problems.

Unionhawk

And it also has good content.

NBN-Alex

recursive drama

Frank

Problems that we are taking care of.

Unionhawk

I take great pride in all of my answers.

Frank

@Unionhawk As you should.

Unionhawk

2:28 AM

I have a vested interest in them remaining.

arda

@Unionhawk +1

Frank

At this point, I'm just arguing that we have very valid reasons for banning one single subset of questions.

Ender

@frank Minecraft Is a game like any other. Pokémon attracts just as many young ignorant users, it just gets asked about less because Pokémon is a handheld game and minecraft is primarily a PC game.

Unionhawk

We can and do handle issues at the post level, and shouldn't handle them at the tag level.

arda

getting a separate SE for Minecraft / banning minecraft is a pretty bad idea

Frank

2:29 AM

@Ender Yes, yes, I know. I'm already arguing other points. I don't need more people jumping in.

Unionhawk

Especially when the tag is literally a game, and not some special case like gaming-history or whatever

arda

It is like SO going "hey php sucks so php is banned now, use php.se".

GodEmperorDune

@arda minecraft will never be as bad as php

Yuuki

I wonder if my job search will go any better if I add "TIME Magazine's Person of the Year, 2006" to my resume.

arda

@GodEmperorDune well pocketmine is written in php

Frank

2:30 AM

@Unionhawk You can't deny that there were very valid reasons for banning tech support in the first place.

Unionhawk

Yes

NBN-Alex

jumps overboard

Unionhawk

But there are better reasons to keep a particular game out of a close reason

Which is hopefully a large part of why we don't have a premade off topic for it.

arda

@GodEmperorDune and well, that proves my point. Just because something is problematic that is a considerable part of the overall content, you can't ban it.

Frank

@Unionhawk I'd honestly prefer canonicals to point them to.

Unionhawk

2:31 AM

@Frank Modded for any game gets weird with this

arda

67,805 questions, 6,974 are minecraft You are proposing sending away %12 of Arqade.

Frank

@Unionhawk It really really does, yeah.

Unionhawk

This does exist for the handful of vanilla crashes that happen

Frank

@arda Yes, we know. We've hashed this out already.

Unionhawk

Which most are just "update intel drivers/switch to dedicated graphics card"

arda

2:32 AM

what is the discus about

Frank

@Unionhawk For modded, I think the best we could do is match the top line, and mercilessly dupe to that.

Unionhawk

@arda We send the EU 350 million a week, let's fund monster-hunter instead

@Frank Lots would not apply

Frank

And then make sure answers try to address as many of the issues as possible.

arda

@Unionhawk fine by me

Unionhawk

Most can't be duplicated

arda

2:33 AM

stamp date signature, we are now officially a part of EU

Frank

@Unionhawk Generic them until they can be.

Unionhawk

Just straight up, duplication for modded crashes is not a viable solution

Frank

@Unionhawk Then close and delete.

Either dupe, or delete.

Unionhawk

That's what we're doing now!

Frank

@Unionhawk Exactly!

And I was arguing for making canonicals to try to salvage as many as possible!

Unionhawk

2:34 AM

I'm just saying having a particular game in the reason is :|, even though other games don't technically have this as a thing

Frank

@Unionhawk If we get another game where this is an issue, we for sure need to revisit this whole problem space.

And see if it's worth banning the whole area.

arda

@Dragonrage don't forget to use your attacks

Frank

I'm playing Space Run Galaxy, if anyone wants to watch.

user15026

waits for Borderlands 2 DLC to download

user15026

tries to install Dark Side of the Moon in the meantime

user15026

2:51 AM

Okay, this is not as easy as I want it to be

Frank

My ship looks like a technicolor anchor.

user15026

Anyone have experience getting old CD ROM games to load on newer Windows?

Frank

arda

@Ash give me a min

user15026

No worries, I appreciate any and all help

arda

2:53 AM

Is the game 16bit? Considering it came out on 1998.

user15026

How would i tell?

arda

download link down :(

Tim Stone

This is my immigration policy https://t.co/dNFEryIPvC

Tweeted by johneodonovan on June 28, 2016 at 7:44 PM

arda

all copies of the fix is down. (from what I can google)

oh wait

user15026

@TimStone That's a good policy

arda

2:59 AM

What happens when you try to install? (can you install and just have ingame issues?)

user15026

@arda I tried just installing the game and my computer complained I was running widows NT without a certain service pack

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arda

I can't think of a fix other than a w98 vm atm

two bugs

Basically 16bit games are a pain

I know this pain. RIP SimTower

user15026

@arda how do I make that happen?

Tim Stone

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Hmmmm

two bugs

Definitely XP

arda

@Ash I'm too sleepy to explain, but here is a pretty long source: forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9918 If you would rather wait, I'm downloading the game from archive.org and might find a fix.

user15026

No worries, I'll poke about

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Today will be a good day hopefully

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@TimStone Ah, the kind of all-encompassing, hindering, I'm-an-adorable-idiot love that only dogs can demonstrate.

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Tim Stone

Mint, c'mon now

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Best thing about being 18 is the fact that I don't have to deal with taxes

@Ash your version has 6 CDs too, right?

GnomeSlice

Retrosaur is banned

suspended, I guess

SaintWacko

3:25 AM

I'm shocked

arda

He was already suspended

Like 20 days ago

Unless you mean chat

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Important dog news

This is Keurig. He apparently headbutts other dogs to greet them. Not cool Keurig. So fluffy tho 12/10 https://vine.co/v/iqIZFtOxEMB

Tweeted by dog_rates on June 28, 2016 at 4:31 AM

arda

Not chat

Unionhawk

Dog rates is by far the best twitter account ever

two bugs

@Unionhawk Counterpoint: Big Ben

user15026

3:41 AM

@arda Yeah it does

user15026

@arda Okay that sounds confusing as heck

arda

@Ash Nice, that means that I'm downloading the same version from archive.org (having same version will be more helpful on fixing it)

user15026

I'm hoping we can eventually get it to work or I will be sad I spent real money on it :P

arda

@Ash it is :P Never really checked but internet is probably flooding with W98 pre-installed <english.exe stopped working>.

user15026

I was kinda hoping this wouldn't be impossible but now I tihnk it mighth be

arda

3:48 AM

Nah, at most it'll be hard

user15026

As long as someone helps me, I can handle that.

user15026

Maybe without even crying in frustration, but I can't guarantee that, emotions are trickt

NBN-Alex

Any mods still on?

user15026

I'm here, yeah

NBN-Alex

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/a/271700/51332

Not sure to flag, it's an answer, but I'm not sure suggesting emulation is against the spirit of the question.

SaintWacko

3:53 AM

@Ash, your one stop shop for mod abuse

user15026

@NBN-Alex Downvote.

user15026

At least, that's what I did

NBN-Alex

done and done, going to leave a comment as well just in case

user15026

That works :)

user15026

It's not not an answer, but there are better ways to solve that problem :)

NBN-Alex

3:58 AM

True, I think I just have a personal grievance of answers which is more like "Just install this 3rd-party thing"

(not to mention trying to keep QA clean of anything that could lead to problems like the type of sites that host ROMs also being huge malware pools :/)

two bugs

Man, I'm excited for the new Halo 5 thing tomorrow

Free update! Big co-operative game mode where you just kill baddies

Dragonrage

4:16 AM

I have been at work for 12 hours now and i am finally going home

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7:41 AM

I'm awake

Which means it's time for more Brexit depression

NBN-Alex

You missed out on our own Brexit eariler

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@fredley did factorio update to 0.13 on steam for you?

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Not checked

GodEmperorDune

k, it seems they released 0.13 but my steam still is at 0.12.35

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NBN-Alex

7:44 AM

Hey @fredley is this flagable?
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/271702/how-to-find-the-appeal-button-on-badlion-server

fredley

@GodEmperorDune I can get 0.13 throught the beta channel

@NBN-Alex If you're not sure, just flag it. This has the same result as pinging in chat, but other mods can see it too.

NBN-Alex

already did but was declined, yet wanted a second opinion just to make sure. The only issue with declines at the moment is that they're not enough info on why the flag was wrong. :(

fredley

Meanwhile in Canada

@NBN-Alex If it's declined it's declined, if you want to get a wider opinion, ask on meta.

GodEmperorDune

@fredley ah found it, thanks

fredley

Nov 4 '13 at 17:52, by fredley

cc: @Ash

it was fortold

NBN-Alex

7:49 AM

understood :o Going to bounce for the night!

GodEmperorDune

dammit all my supply chains are fuct now

well not all, but the level 3 research

wait nvm, they just changed the graphic

fredley

@GodEmperorDune lol

GodEmperorDune

@fredley it went from green to purple

fredley

@GodEmperorDune it was previously bluw

GodEmperorDune

@fredley no the green smart inserter is now a purple filter inserter

its used for producing the blue beakers

fredley

7:54 AM

@GodEmperorDune In your shoddy setup maybe :P

Oh you mean as an ingredient

Of course

GodEmperorDune

yeah

fredley

I see usage of smart inserters as a failure of your factory layout :P

GodEmperorDune

i use them to siphon off excess things into passive storage

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Use buffers

GodEmperorDune

because i am too lazy to go for 1:1 ratio balance

@fredley sometimes i do

but its like, do i really want to set up another assembly chain so i can get X when my blueprints need it?

fredley

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What does Hazard Concrete do?

GodEmperorDune

@fredley its yellow striped

otherwise functionally same as regular concrete

fredley

@GodEmperorDune :(

GodEmperorDune

landfill looks fun

turn water into usable land

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new flamethrower is amazing

though i thought i read on the blog about a flamethrower turret

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@GodEmperorDune Yeah, pity there's no reverse option

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@fredley Every time I see that gif I get curious about what the fuck is actually going on. Dude with safety harness dropping woman without harness? Is this a murder or a throw people into wild river from way to fucking high?

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@Arperum Apparently the rope is round her ankles.

I assume that's attached to something.

Arperum

@Ronan Had not noticed that before. So it's some person wanting to bungee-jump, but decides against it last moment, gets forced to anyway.

Ronan

I guess...

It's a weird one for sure.

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@Unionhawk Your face is useless

OH BUUURRRRNNN

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