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StrixVaria

7:00 PM

@twobugs no pls

Powerlord

@twobugs Skype for Business is just Microsoft Communicator / Microsoft Lync with a new name.

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Well, I don't think it's on topic at all seeing as identifying an actor from a game trailer has basically nothing to do with gaming

Dragonrage

@ardaozkal wingdings fts

*ftw

ardaozkal

Wow

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@Powerlord Ah. I've used Lync a little bit, it didn't seem that bad

djsmiley2k

7:02 PM

@twobugs unless it was Carmac or something :D

ardaozkal

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs it seems to have some scaling issues at my workplace, but i don't know if its how we've configured it

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I only really used it at my last job but the IT there was a big old flushing toilet

murgatroid99

@ardaozkal can we not do this?

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 Seconded.

user15026

7:04 PM

@ardaozkal I second the not doing this thing.

ardaozkal

ok

user15026

Well, third, I guess. :P

GodEmperorDune

fourthed?

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Want to get something installed? Mail your computer cross country! Want to download from the repository? It's also cross country and it has all our high quality textures and we have a dial-up quality connection to it!

ardaozkal

@GodEmperorDune Did you try "right click -> properties -> compatibility -> Disable DPI scaling?"

StrixVaria

7:05 PM

A coworker just told me he thinks he likes PHP more than Ruby, to which I responded that I would use literally any langauge before PHP, at which point the discussion moved onto Malbolge.

> Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. ... The first program was not written by a human being: it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.

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I think you're talking about the wrong scaling.

ardaozkal

oooh

Powerlord

@StrixVaria I take it you've never had to use Perl?

StrixVaria

Still sounds on par with PHP.

@Powerlord I would rather use Perl than PHP, that's for sure.

ardaozkal

I see. Well, I'm not sure if it is something wrong on your end, but I managed to reach 250 people on the same call.

Powerlord

7:06 PM

@StrixVaria ...are you sure?

GodEmperorDune

@ardaozkal yes, it has a horrible problem where new employees don't show up in the person search for like 5 weeks

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@StrixVaria Haha, so your coworker had to find one of the most frustrating languages to defend PHP?

badp

@MadMAxJr plane gets smaller because it flies off

StrixVaria

"Hello, World!" in Malbolge:

(=<`#9]~6ZY32Vx/4Rs+0No-&Jk)"Fh}|Bcy?`=*z]Kw%oG4UUS0/@-ejc(:'8dc

badp

DUH

StrixVaria

7:07 PM

It does look kind of like Perl.

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"I would prefer not to be stabbed!" "I bet you'd rather be stabbed than hit by an atomic bomb!" "Uh... I guess?"

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Enable "Play" button for Undertale on Linux Steam

So, I was getting tired of having to open the Windows version of Steam through Wine in order to launch Undertale. I found a way to force the download for Windows games on the Linux Steam client, but I still don't have the option available to start the game through Steam, and if I try through t...

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Q: Minecraft Server 1.8.9 - Can't Connect

I have two newly set up Minecraft 1.8.9 servers. With both servers when I point my client to them I receive an "Unable to connect to world." message. 1) Debian 8 2) CentOS 7 Both servers behaving the same way, I did a packet capture on each and can see UDP traffic reaches each them. And both...

minecraft-server

ardaozkal

@GodEmperorDune ok, that is another "scaling" :/ Did you try literally turning off the server and turning it back on?

Powerlord

I mean, for Perl, we're talking about a language that needs a special command to tell an object what kind of object it is.

MadMAxJr

@Lazers2.0 I'm not 100% clear what this user is asking.

badp

7:08 PM

@Powerlord I am happy to be working with Perl and not PHP though I haven't worked with PHP

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@ardaozkal I don't think you're going to solve enterprise wide IT problems over a few lines of stack chat.

Let alone by power cycling a server

MadMAxJr

@Lazers2.0 It sounds like they're trying to force-run a windows binary of Undertale on the Steam linux client. But they've got Wine in the tags. I'm not up to speed on Wine. Don't you just use the Windows version of steam to run windows steam titles under Wine?

GodEmperorDune

@ardaozkal our helpdesk basically said "it does this sometimes, we're not going to fix it, just wait for it to work eventually"

badp

@Powerlord no that tells a pointer that it actually is an object

Dragonrage

@ardaozkal i declare you the wingdings pro

Powerlord

7:09 PM

@badp ...which doesn't make it any less ass-backwards

Dragonrage

its hard to read those little images. hard to tell the difference between some of the characters

badp

The Perl and Python object systems are almost identical

In Python by default objects are dicts with makeup

Powerlord

It also amuses me that I linked the documentation to Perl 5.22. Perl was at version 5 when I started using it in the mid-90s.

badp

If you want you define __slots__, then they're tuples with makeup

djsmiley2k

@GodEmperorDune ldap?

GodEmperorDune

7:11 PM

@djsmiley2k nah, the lync server

badp

In perl you apply makeup to whatever

That's bless

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Apply makeup to makeup

Oh, maybe that's how Gandalf Mark 2 was created...

GodEmperorDune

ldap worked, it authenticated properly and you could chat if someone clicked "chat" in the outlook contact, you were just not findable inside lync itself

badp

There are a lot of shit things about perl but I don't feel that the object model is one of them

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My university just switched to Google everything and Google hangouts/chat works well enough and integrates with our mail now /shrug

Dragonrage

7:13 PM

we should change the default font of the site to this 1001fonts.com/lime-blossom-caps-font.html

badp

It's clunky and ugly and there is not even the appearance of any sort of encapsulation

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@Dragonrage Counterpoint: No, absolutely not

badp

but it's not perlvars or perlsecrets

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs trolling status: achieved

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It's not trolling if you just say something dumb. It's you saying something dumb and someone saying "Hey, that's dumb"

badp

7:15 PM

"How do I read a file into a string?" "You undefine a global variable, do the reading and set it back to whatever it was."

Dragonrage

@twobugs is this better? 1001fonts.com/syntinen-ihminen-on-kaunis-ihminen-font.html

djsmiley2k

@GodEmperorDune oh, weird

:/

badp

"What is the global variable called? $;. But isn't ; used to separate statements? Not if it's got a $ before it!"

At least I think it's $;

GodEmperorDune

petition to call element 117 octarine

badp

Nevermind, it's $/

$; is used for multidimensional array emulation of course

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7:18 PM

I hope we reach the island of stability soon

It's kind of sad all these super heavy elements decay so rapidly

Powerlord

@badp You mean you don't want to use English; so you can use nicer variable names for them?

djsmiley2k

@twobugs ???

badp

@Powerlord I mean people don't use English

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs my chemistry is weak, ELI5

badp

and even if you do you'll have to read code of others that don't

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7:19 PM

@djsmiley2k Chemistry thing. Basically the further you go down the periodic table the shorter lived elements are

GodEmperorDune

so what is the island of stability?

badp

@twobugs heavy radioactive elements decay the fastest the more neutrons they have. Scientists believe that this trend may be somewhat averted in the 125s or so

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I'm no chemist myself so I might be using it wrong but the idea is that we can kind of model there should be an "island" somewhere where the heavy elements can start becoming stable again

or at least relatively stable

Powerlord

PHP has its issues, but weird variables that affect global state generally isn't one of them. Its version of this problem is that arbitrary commands change behavior when you change php.ini settings.

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i.e. they don't reach their half life on the order of microseconds

GodEmperorDune

7:20 PM

but if the elements are stable, wouldn't we have found them already?

badp

They're less unstable

not stable

@Powerlord I guess PHP doesn't have lists

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@GodEmperorDune Not necessarily. I'm no chemistry whiz kid but it's all rare or something. I don't know man

badp

God lists are such a dumb idea

starting from the name

GodEmperorDune

@badp HEY!

my lists are great

Powerlord

@badp No, PHP just uses arrays as if they were a named list (this is a quirk PHP has and Perl doesn't; in Perl, arrays and hashes are different things)

MadMAxJr

7:22 PM

I hope we get a slot for an element called Valvium. Something with a half-life of 12 years or more.

badp

Lists aren't lists, they're just a plurality of values. There is no data type for a plurality of values. When presented with a plurality of things each singular data type does something completely different

GnomeSlice

Extraterrestrial orange rag

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From what I'm reading it sounds like they use particle accelerators and other crazy things to synthesize the really heavy elements. There's a hypothesized island of stability around 164

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice wat?

badp

Functions take a plurality of things and return a plurality of things, but in order to make things super confusing, the plurality of things they take is stored in an array

Dragonrage

7:24 PM

what would happen if a user were to go and upvote every accepted answer on a site?

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage site would explode

MadMAxJr

The island of stability. A mythical location where you code runs correctly on the first run.

badp

so now functions "take" an "array" of arguments and "return" a completely different things based on the "evaluation context"

MadMAxJr

You get stopped around 25 votes.

You have a voting limit.

GodEmperorDune

@MadMAxJr 40 votes per day

badp

7:25 PM

and it is super opaque and annoying to deal with

MadMAxJr

The system will also catch serial upvoting in addition to downvoting.

GodEmperorDune

@MadMAxJr upvoting every accepted answer doesn't count as serial

Dragonrage

out of curiosity why have questions that have over 2k upvotes not been turned into wikis?

badp

Yes serial voting detection is also very annoying to work around but the difference is that you want more function calls, not less

@Dragonrage is there even such a post on this site?

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage there is no automatic wikification anymore

badp

7:27 PM

and if there was why would it be turned into a wiki

GodEmperorDune

and i don't think thats how it worked when it was a thing

badp

Anyone on the internet can already edit any post on the site

Powerlord

@Dragonrage I don't remember any rule for number of upvotes turning a post into a wiki.

MadMAxJr

I think we got rid of the wiki function over on RPG.SE.

Powerlord

Number of edits by diffierent people, yes.

GnomeSlice

7:27 PM

fuck my phone has been on in my pocket playing music for like ab hour

badp

Why would you care about making it easier for the smaller group of people who have between 1 and 1999 reputation

GnomeSlice

with bridg open

fridge

badp

while denying then the reps they get from improving posts

GnomeSlice

BRIDGE

Dragonrage

@badp i dont think so, but there a number over on SO

GodEmperorDune

7:28 PM

@GnomeSlice yeah i was enjoying that music

badp

Still. It doesn't make sense

It is only somewhat annoying for the owner of that post, since they keep getting reputation updates for their post from three years ago

Powerlord

@badp Only 3?!

badp

I think that gets pretty old pretty fast

@Powerlord *eleventy

Powerlord

The most recent upvote I have across any SE sites is an answer from August 2009 on SO.

Dragonrage

@Powerlord This "Own community questions and answers so nobody gets unnecessary reputation from them" led me to think that questions with a lot of upvotes would become wikis

Unionhawk

7:31 PM

MadMAxJr

I remember when people used to vote on my SO questions.

Now SO is so flooded with chaff, I have unread questions.

Dragonrage

because 2k up votes is a potential 20k rep

Powerlord

@Unionhawk Wrong 2k. ;)

MadMAxJr

The Fridge: General Arcade Cat, Where sit is the yawn of a new twerk day.

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Gnomephone Simulator 2016

Powerlord

Anyway, I haven't played far enough through Borderlands 2 to hear an explanation for why Pandora is suddenly covered in snow when it wasn't in the first game.

GnomeSlice

7:33 PM

winter?

MadMAxJr

Logic isn't really something you apply to Borderlands.

Dragonrage

how does one search for the answer with the highest votes on arqade?

MadMAxJr

Though you did remind me to check on my level 50 loot crate shipping...

Sterno

When did I buy Outlast?

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice No, it was mentioned that the entire planet has been frozen since sometime between the games. They just haven't explained why.

Sterno

7:34 PM

New rule: Always check Steam before I get a game for PS4

ardaozkal

@Dragonrage data.se?

Dragonrage

the highest i see is about 250

Powerlord

(I want to say ClapTrap mentioned "The Great Freeze" in one of his random comments)

@Sterno I can generalize that even more

"Always check Steam to see if I already own a game before purchasing it."

Sterno

Yeah

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@Powerlord There's actually an explanation, but it ties into this goofy worldbuilding stuff they refuse to do in the games proper

Sterno

7:35 PM

Seriously, though. I don't think I'd even heard of that game until today, yet I own it.

GnomeSlice

@Sterno What do you have two of now?

MadMAxJr

Most answers as to why things are the way they are on Pandora is 'Bandits did it'

GnomeSlice

oooo Outlast!

Powerlord

@Sterno Probably part of a Humble Bundle.

Sterno

I haven't bought a Humble Bundle in like 3 years

GnomeSlice

7:36 PM

@Sterno that game is fuckin terrifying

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Pandora is just the moon of some planet with goofy orbit and as a result it has goofy climate

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Well, it was implied that the opening of the vault in the first game did it.

@twobugs No it isn't. Elpis (the setting of Pre-Sequel) is Pandora's moon.

GnomeSlice

back to work, off I go

MadMAxJr

Aren't the creeps in Outlast based on the records of real people who were in psychiatric care for bizzare crimes?

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Oh really? I could swear I read elsewhere somewhere. Huh. Maybe I just read some fan theories people paraded as truth

Powerlord

7:37 PM

The fact that Elpis is a moon is very important to its game mechanics.

MadMAxJr

Gravity jumping. and the need for air. Unless you're claptrap.

GodEmperorDune

ugh i forgot how much the minimal edit rule sucked

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Also, headshotting humanoid enemies makes their helmets break.

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Honestly I got so burned out on Borderlands 2 I dropped the series altogether. It just wasn't very fun anymore (to me, at least)

Powerlord

Borderlands 2 is... how can I put it nicely... too big.

In the original Borderlands, nearly every area of the map had some purpose.

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7:39 PM

Yeah, I'd say it is too big and lacking in the charm the first game had for me

MadMAxJr

Playing Borderlands from start to finish with friends is impossible.

Powerlord

In Borderlands 2, huge areas are there just for Badass ranks.

MadMAxJr

I've only done it solo.

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I liked all the characters and how they played in the first game (well, except for the soldier who was boring)

ardaozkal

I finished BL2 last year, and I don't think that I'll play any other BL now.

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7:39 PM

In Borderlands 2 everything just feels tremendously meh

MadMAxJr

In the first game, I had to play as brick. Health regen was mandatory for my play.

BL2 I pushed through because I wanted every last line of Jack dialog.

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr I'm level 15ish in Borderlands 2 now and I just finally got a Survivor class mod.

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Brick was a lot of fun in 1, the class mods made him Rocket Man

Powerlord

Survivor mods being the one that raise HP and add HP regen.

MadMAxJr

Rocket regen in BL1 was awesome.

Though I'm glad they did away with revolvers and pistols being different weapon/ammo types.

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7:41 PM

The class stuff in 2 feels just so bland and uninteresting. I guess they wanted them to be better balanced or whatever but I think they went to far

I remember the enemy scaling/loot scaling being a problem in 2. The game had like... free to play MMO style drops

Could you find something good? Technically yes. Would you? No. Would the scaling assume you did? Yes.

MadMAxJr

My roommate gave up on BL2 because he didn't want to sit and compare weapon numbers every 15 minutes.

Powerlord

I tend to hoard weapons of blue or better quality.

Even weapons I'd never use... have to keep it because it's blue/purple/yellow/orange!

MadMAxJr

In pre-sequel, if it isn't orange it's fodder for the gun-mulcher.

Powerlord

I did find it weird in BL2 that you start with some yellow quality items if you played BL1.

Seemed kinda cheesy.

MadMAxJr

I hope the next BL game puts guns in Japanese style capsule machines. Because that's what it feels like.

Put in coin, turn dial, get gun.

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7:45 PM

I think I quit around level 20 or 25 when I had like 10 quests I needed to do that all sounded like a huge pain in the ass

ardaozkal

@MadMAxJr kadala of d3?

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They already put gambling in Borderlands 2, though

I wonder what'll happen with Borderlands 3 after the embezzlement they did for 2.

Well, maybe that isn't the proper term, but they syphoned money off of Aliens: Colonial Marines in a pretty big way

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs that game was super fuct

Unionhawk

IN UNRRLATED NEWS

GodEmperorDune

mismanaged, maybe?

Unionhawk

7:47 PM

5/7 view https://t.co/kQl0MhIQV2

Tweeted by Unionhawk on January 7, 2016 at 7:45 PM

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Finding Aluminium is so hard!

So I'm having major difficulty keeping up with the amount of aluminium I need to repair/upgrade my power armour and other bits and pieces. I've spent a while now just searching for this single material and wondering if there's a good cache somewhere which I can hit. The wasteland needs me and I ...

fallout-4

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk IN UNIRELATED NEWS, FTFY

Sterno

@GodEmperorDune @Wipqozn Get hyped!

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno please include me on the xcom 2 hype train

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It was definitely super fuct. I don't think calling it "mismanaged" is fair to mismanagement. They knew it was a disaster and seemingly didn't care

Lied to SEGA to get more funding (I approve of this because SEGA is dumb)

Which they used for Borderlands 2

StrixVaria

7:48 PM

@Sterno I'm going to hold out hope for a PS4 version in the future and not get it right away for PC.

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune get hype!

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@Unionhawk KANGAROOS FEAR VISTA

StrixVaria

If I run out of things to play, though, I will probably cave and then just play it via Steam Link on my TV anyway.

Unionhawk

YOU'RE LEARNING

Sterno

PC MASTER RACE

GodEmperorDune

7:49 PM

@Unionhawk dammit

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I tried to warn you! You only had to listen!

Sterno

> Gone is the steady and structured escalation of the invasion, and gone are the boring bastard satellites that were to the campaign’s shape what weights and other hindrances were to Harrison Bergeron. Freed from the single-route linear progression, XCOM 2 presents an alien menace that reacts and builds power, through visible facilities in the world, and through a Doomsday counter that can be interrupted and set back by the player.

SO HYPED

Wipqozn

@Sterno Yeah, I'm looking forwar to it.

StrixVaria

The more I read this article the less I think I'll put off buying it.

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno i am so hyped... and then saddened because my comp can't run it

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7:51 PM

That sounds really awesome. Like they made some really good changes to the core formula while keeping the spirit there

Wipqozn

The only thing I'm still kind of iffy about is the "choose a mission" method they're keeping

MadMAxJr

The hype train is under attack by aliens.

Wipqozn

I'd much rather they just have missions appear naturally, and sometimes only one shows up not two or three, BUT since your soldiers need time to heal up you just can't afford or risk doing every mission

aka how it works in xenonauts

The choose a mission system always felt like a lazy way to go about it to me

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Eh, I can see some advantages to either system

Wipqozn

@twobugs Sure, but the biggest drawback to this system for me is it breaks immersion

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7:53 PM

It makes sense that the aliens would launch multi-pronged assaults, knowing you can't stop all of them

Sterno

I wonder if I should buy a new PC for this game.

Wipqozn

In Xenonauts I feel like I'm being outpaced by the enemy and that they have more resources because I can't keep up with the missions

Sterno

Not because I need one to run it, but because I need an excuse for a new PC

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But the just PICK A MISSION BLOO BLOO aspect is... eh...

Wipqozn

@twobugs and xenonauts does it too, but it's presented in a different way

a way which is much better

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7:54 PM

I haven't played Xenonauts much but I have it on GoG so maybe I will

Wipqozn

It's fantastic.

StrixVaria

I wonder where/how I should go about buying a new gaming PC, if I choose to, given that I have zero interest in putting it together myself.

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I need to finish Undertale first

Wipqozn

@Sterno Sounds like a good excuse

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@StrixVaria I think there are some pretty reasonable prebuilt options nowadays

StrixVaria

7:55 PM

@twobugs I figured there must be.

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Sometimes local computer places will build one for you if you supply the parts for a reasonable fee

Dragonrage

too broad? gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/250989/…

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage seems pretty specific but i am not a LOL player

StrixVaria

@Dragonrage No.

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That question seems fine, maybe a little rewording needed at most

Sterno

7:57 PM

@StrixVaria If it's more an issue of laziness and you don't care that you actually have to spend extra money to have someone else put it together, I've gotten my last 4 machines from CyberPowerPC

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It's asking how certain changes will impact gameplay

Sterno

(and will likely get my next one there)

StrixVaria

@Sterno Will look into that.

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I like to put together my own PC but I understand that some people don't

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Season 6 Warding & Trinkets

So Season 6 is just around the corner, and possibly the most major change to the game was the removal of Sight Wards from the shop. Rito did this just to make the game a bit easier for the lower MMR/Elo players who don't understand the importance of vision, but for someone like me who does, what ...

league-of-legends

Dragonrage

7:57 PM

how you use trinkets and where you ward will differ a lot from match to match

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Sometimes things can be annoying and it's like wow, I wish someone else would just take care of this

StrixVaria

It's partially laziness and partially that I want someone else to blame if it doesn't work.

Sterno

I used to put my own PCs together until the time I installed the CPU fan wrong and fried the CPU

Then i said "fuck that, I'll spend an extra $100 to just get my PC all put together for me"

Dragonrage

and is dependent on a ton of match specific events

Kevin van der Velden

How does that happen?

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7:58 PM

@Dragonrage Yes, but there will be general strategies that work well. And that's the good aspect of subjective

Dragonrage

ok. still trying to figure out the difference between good subjective and bad subjective

Sterno

@StrixVaria They've been good for that (though I haven't got one from them in 3 years, so I guess it's possible they started sucking or something). If I selected a configuration that had problems, they let me know and suggested alternatives. The one time I got a defective part (a bad SSD), they were quick to replace it

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Bad subjective: "What is the best character"

Sterno

I don't actually know how their prices compare to just buying it all yourself though

Wipqozn

oh man, this is great

StrixVaria

7:59 PM

@Sterno I'm really bad about that myself. I tend to buy from the first convenient option rather than shop around.

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