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Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:01 PM
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
Sounds like a good Lifehack.SE question
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@OrigamiRobot This only works if your cat is good at catting
Our cats are morons and are not good at anything.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: How do I log in as another commander

Aoc J JonesI would love to be able to login to Elite : Dangerous as another Commander. Is there a menu option I'm missing or is it as simple as registering another account on the website?

elite-dangerous
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
MY CATS ARE GOOD AT CATTING
ALICE IS A LITTLE TOO GOOD IF YOU ASK ME
HER MISSION SEEMS TO BE TO FIND ALL THE BOTTLE CAPS IN THE WORLD AND MAKE AS MUCH NOISE AT 4AM AS POSSIBLE
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
hm. elite dangerous is by frontier? that's unexpected (finally looking into it. I'm slow)
is it like EVE online but less spreadsheet sim?
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:16 PM
ALL I KNOW IS FLYING IN SPACE AND SHOOTING AT THINGS IS FUN
AND I DON'T HAVE TO PAY MONTHLY TO DO SO
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
you do that in star fox, but i don't see the masses making a big deal about that
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
NEVER PLAYED STAR FOX SO I CAN'T MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THAT
 
Sterno
Sterno
The color scheme on the Elite: Dangerous forums makes me eyes bleed.
@Rapitor To be fair, I'm not sure it's "the masses"
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Sterno REALLY? SEEMS FINE TO ME
 
Sterno
Sterno
Just because a few of us are playing it doesn't mean it's wildly successful
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:18 PM
UNLESS YOU MEAN THE MOBILE SITE
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@Sterno i've seen it outside of the bridge pretty often
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Rapitor Those all sound like good things? what's the problem
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@GnomeSlice those all sound good alone, not together.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
why not?
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
8:27 PM
live action ghost in the shell is a questionable idea in itself. Dreamworks doesn't do live action as far as I am aware. and Scarlet is great and all, and probably the only good decision about the whole thing
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
the hell
oh whoops
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
WHEW, YOU SAVED IT
CLOSE ONE
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Now there's no purple beam, you're just flipping off air :(
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
yeh I grabbed the gun
then zombies
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
@TimStone That beam owed him $15
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
8:29 PM
DISAPPOINT
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
 
Sterno
Sterno
@GnomeSlice Sorry, can't pay attention to screenshot. No middle finger.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
these clowns
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
SO DID @TimStone START PLAYING ELITE YET?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
this game does not like being alt tabbed
 
Sterno
Sterno
8:29 PM
Of course I replied to the wrong one
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@OrigamiRobot How deep is the combat in that? It's expensive and I could just play Galaxy on Fire 2
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@OrigamiRobot Well I got that fine I paid before you came halfway across the galaxy to bounty-collect on me.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@GnomeSlice I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT QUESTIONS MEANS
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@OrigamiRobot how deep is the combat in elite dangerous
like is there a lot to it
or is it just point and blast
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I mostly just keep cruising around from station to station trying to decide what I want to do.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:31 PM
THERE IS A LOT TO THE POINTING PART IF YOU'RE @Wipqozn
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@GnomeSlice I also have this question
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
what is this indiana jones
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
IF I SEE ONE MORE PICTURE FROM @GnomeSlice OF A MIDDLE FINGER, I'M IGNORING HIM :/
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Also I keep getting interdiction attempts that I keep thwarting.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@TimStone COWARD!
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
8:32 PM
I WAS JUST MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
what the fuck is this
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@GnomeSlice clever
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
I LOVE BEING INTERDICTED
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
@GnomeSlice CENSORSHIP. AAH RUN AWAY FROM THE CENSORSHIP
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
WAIT, IS THIS JUST A GAME WHERE YOU'RE WALKING AROUND LIKE THAT?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
8:33 PM
this game is amazing holy shit
@OrigamiRobot No I'm taking screenshots after shooting all the zombies
it's far cry 3: blood dragon
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@OrigamiRobot I've got but a wee unmodified ship
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
blood dragon is a game everyone should play
it's a masterpiece
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@TimStone GET A BETTER WEE SHIP
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
pew pew pew pew pew
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
8:35 PM
@OrigamiRobot I have to make the monies first! Which means deciding what I should do.
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
if i do decide to get elite dangerous. how viable is it to just wander around the cosmos? Will other players decide to shoot me because they are jerks? or is pvp disabled
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Do missions until you can afford an eagle
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Minecraft is not working (No mods )

NightMareMineCraft is not working with me this is the log Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: C:\Users\Dell\AppData\Roaming.minecraft\versions\1.6.4\1.6.4-natives-111511491628551\lwjgl.dll: Can't load IA 32-bit .dll on a AMD 64-bit platform at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrar...

minecraft
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Rapitor There is a solo mode if you want
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Can you be a merchant and hire other players to escort you places like mercenaries
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
8:38 PM
@GnomeSlice blood dragon? or elite
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
oh there's boobies in this game
I guess it has pretty much everything else
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@GnomeSlice Yes, but it would kinda be a pain.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Although the 'gore' is pretty tame.
@OrigamiRobot Just because of like payment limitations?
or is everybody just an ass
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@Rapitor I haven't been shot at yet, at least.
But I've only been playing since yesterday-ish
I did see someone get blown up by a station, that was funny.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
No, because if they get interdicted (forced out of FTL), there isn't a good way for the escort to follow them into normal space.
At least, not that I know of
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
8:40 PM
@OrigamiRobot OH YTOU
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
oh
so it's just not really supported
lame
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
I haven't really looked into that
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Unionhawk I actually switched to a different video. The video just stops at about 10 minutes in.
 
Feeds
Feeds
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@TimStone that brings next question. when you inevitably die, do you lose your ship and have to buy/build a new one?
whats death penalty
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:41 PM
@GnomeSlice Normally you can follow people's FTL wakes to enter the same instance as them. I'm just not sure if interdiction leaves a wake
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
I'm gonna play blood dragon again I think
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
There's a rebuy fee for your ship, I guess?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@OrigamiRobot Oh.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
(I haven't died, so)
Let's ask @Sterno, since he crashed into a sun.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
lol I added $5 to my steam wallet so I could get the foil badge
what the fuck
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
8:42 PM
@Rapitor You pay 5% of the value of your ship to rebuy it. If you can't afford that, you can always get a free Sidewinder
My rebuy cost is currently ~100k
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
that sounds like a reasonable punishment..
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
oh yeah well I have a cool ship too
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
pointy
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
ur pointy
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
The cooperative player-to-player part of the game needs a lot of work, TBH
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
8:45 PM
also that's not even from that game
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Plenty of PvP opportunities, but trying to directly work together is hard.
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
Hmm nice, I think this is the first time I've backed up my phone since I got it years ago
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Wow I have 281 steam screenshots of GoF2
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
The risk of 3rd party credit selling means there is no direct credit transfer method.
I say who cares about that, but w/e
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
make that 279
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
8:48 PM
speaking of backing up phones. im pissed i didnt. i lost all of my kairosoft game saves when i got new phone. why they don't just use cloud saving like everyone else idk.
if any of you know how to get the data off the SD card, please. do tell.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Is the world really balanced for multiple players

PhaDaPhunkWhen I play don't starve together, I always feel like the generated world was made for a single player game. I usually play with 2 friends but we usually end up starving pretty soon (20ish days) since we all try to supply on the same sources. Don't get me wrong, we all work together so triple w...

dont-starve dont-starve-together
 
Sterno
Sterno
@TimStone I didn't die. I just got cooked a bit.
But if you're in the starter ship, there's no fee for dying
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Oh, excellent.
 
Sterno
Sterno
Otherwise I think it's 5% or something
Oh, @OrigamiRobot answered this already. WELL THEN
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Sterno I didn't even get any rep
 
Sterno
Sterno
8:58 PM
1. That's a finger, you pervert
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
lol wut
 
Sterno
Sterno
2. Lifehack material!
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Is that a picture of @Wipqozn blowing up?
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@OrigamiRobot No. It's a picture of Bad Rats with @Sterno commenting with my evil Laugh gif.
 
Sterno
Sterno
9:02 PM
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
I'm so happy @el
@GnomeSlice OH MY SNAP GNOMESLICE IS BACK
HE'S NOT ELFSLICE OF DWARFSLICE ANYMORE
THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
I changed it a while ago
10 hours ago, by Wipqozn
@GnomeSlice My word! How rude.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@GnomeSlice I only just noticed now though./
 
Sterno
Sterno
Obama authorized North Korea sanctions over cyber hacking. Solution there, it seems to me, is to create unhackable systems.
Tweeted by neiltyson on January 3, 2015 at 2:04 PM
 
Arperum
Arperum
@GnomeSlice He's a turtle, off course he's slow.
 
Sterno
Sterno
9:03 PM
Remind me why everyone thinks he's smart.
Unless that is sarcasm.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Sterno Probably sarcasm.
Also probably a fake account.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Yuuki Nope, it's verified.
 
Sterno
Sterno
NO. IF IT IS ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE TRUE
2
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Wipqozn BRB modding his name to @ElfSliceOfDwarfSlice
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
nothing is unhackable
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
9:05 PM
@StrixVaria I nominate @StrixVaria for worst mod.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Rapitor Tell that to this stupid ad that keeps saying "you can't hack what you can't see".
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Rapitor Define "hack"
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
@Wipqozn cc @badp
 
Rapitor
Rapitor
@OrigamiRobot number 2
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
9:06 PM
anybody want to play skydrift?
3
 
badp
badp
I am @badp and I approve of @StrixVaria
 
Frank
Frank
@Sterno That's totally impossible. I hope he's not a tech guy at all.
 
Arperum
Arperum
@Sterno If that is not sarcasm: I need to contact that guy to offer him an unhackable system for a forward payment of 1000 times the US debt.
 
badp
badp
void main() {} //hack this
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank not necessarily. You can actually harden a system
expensive != impossible
 
badp
badp
9:07 PM
(actually it's probably very likely that you can hack it)
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Rapitor This piece of paper on my desk is pretty unhackable :P
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 Harden, yes. Make completely unhackable? Not a chance.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Frank No, no he's not.
 
Arperum
Arperum
I'll deliver a pc that has all network abilities physically removed. Plus all possible ways to read data from it removed.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank It's difficult, but it's not impossible
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
9:07 PM
@OrigamiRobot The one that contains the Javascript to turn everything lowercase? We already know what's on that paper.
 
Frank
Frank
All you can do is make the effort required to access your data greater than it's worth.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Smart != good with computers.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@JasonBerkan No, the other one
 
Arperum
Arperum
@Frank This.
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 How, exactly, would you make a system unhackable?
I'm honestly unsure of how you could do that.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
9:08 PM
@Frank It is possible to have a system that doesn't have vulnerabilities
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 Every system has vulnerabilities.
 
Sterno
Sterno
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
inf
Probably just the work filter though
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Take computer. Remove internet capabilities. Put on bottom of ocean. Breed laser sharks. Kill everyone named "Austin Powers".
 
Sterno
Sterno
9:09 PM
I can create an unhackable system so long as you don't ever want it up and running.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Congratulations, you have an unhackable computer!
 
Sterno
Sterno
I'll just hide the power cord
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank Computers aren't magic boxes. It is possible to have a program that only does what it is supposed to do
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
I bet you guys can't hack into my TI-89!
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@murgatroid99 Wait, does this mean I can't call myself a wizard after getting my CS degree?
 
Frank
Frank
9:10 PM
@murgatroid99 Let me know once you design a system that does exactly as planned, and never has bugs.
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
@murgatroid99 LIES! Computers are very much magical.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Well, screw college now, it's all pointless.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank I didn't say I could do it. But that's not the same as "impossible"
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
Otherwise I am far less cooler than I thought.
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
My home PC is currently off unhackable
 
Frank
Frank
9:11 PM
@murgatroid99 The effort required to build such a system would require so many man hours so as to put it into the realm of impossibility.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: What determines the exchange rate for global trade items?

lemontwistWhat determines the price of items selling on the global exchange on Sim City Buildit? For example, I see from two different towns a dozer exhaust selling for §799 in one case and §750 in the other. Security cameras range from §490, §505, §559, §650. Does this also set the price of the goods tha...

ios simcity-buildit
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
4 mins ago, by murgatroid99
expensive != impossible
 
Arperum
Arperum
@Powerlord Tell that to the lunatic who just invaded your home and is now hacking away at it with an axe.
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 90% reliability = easily possible. 95% = requires three times the effort. And it just goes up exponentially from there. I do not believe 100% reliability is possible.
 
Sepia Lazers
Sepia Lazers
0
Q: Should tags really be created for each specific version instead of having a general one for each platforms

PhaDaPhunkI tagged a game and used the PC tag to let the users know I am specifically talking about the PC version. I then read the tag properly to realize that the PC isn't used at all to tag a version of a game. After a bit of research, I noticed that in order to specify a version, you need to create a ...

discussion
 
Kevin van der Velden
Kevin van der Velden
9:13 PM
(100% reliability and any functionality =p)
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Disregarding the "classified information" the FBI refuses to share, the Sony hack seemed to have been carried out with such ease that the spirit of the tweet is still entirely true.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank Here's a program that prints the numbers 1 to 100: for(int i=0; i<100; i++)printf("%d\n", i);
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
Yay, just rebooted my computer, once because it being slow, the second because I updated TortoiseSVN, and now its back to being slow again.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
That's a working program that does something specific and does absolutely nothing it is not programmed to do
The difficulty goes up as functionality increases, but that's still not the same as "impossible"
 
Arperum
Arperum
@SepiaLazers Nonono. No. Just no.
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
9:15 PM
Oh, oh, the eMichigan all-staff meeting is coming up in two weeks. I wonder if suggesting we get rid of Symantec Endpoint Protection and use something better would go over well.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Impractical is not the same as impossible.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Frank You're thinking of things from a feasibility perspective, where @murgatroid99 is thinking of things from a theoretical limit perspective.
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
Red is not the same as purple.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@OrigamiRobot exactly
 
Frank
Frank
@StrixVaria This is the heart of the argument, it seems.
Theoretically, it's possible. Pragmatically, not even maybe.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
9:16 PM
@Frank It depends on the application
They write hardened programs for aircraft and spacecraft
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 Any application that has any utility is complex enough to never be perfect.
9 mins ago, by Frank
@murgatroid99 Harden, yes. Make completely unhackable? Not a chance.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
One time they said man would never fly.
 
Frank
Frank
But the argument's going in circles at this point, so I'm done.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Frank I don't even understand why there's an argument then. Are you trying to say that theoretical limits aren't a useful measure? Then say that. It doesn't change what the theoretical limit is.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Or travel at high speeds.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
9:17 PM
@Frank I still say that's bullshit. Unless your definition of "utility" extends beyond stuff like simple unix programs
I bet that I could implement a simple text transformation program like those people actually use on Linux systems with exactly 0 bugs
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
If you wanted to, you could just play No True Scotsman with the definition of "utility" until you win.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@murgatroid99 It depends on the bugs in the architecture you choose, too.
You'd have to design an entire computer architecture from the ground up or find one that has zero bugs.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@StrixVaria If you can write pieces without bugs, you can write the whole thing without bugs in something like O(n^2) time
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Can I revenge someone in my clan in clash of clans?

user20037Let's say someone attacked me and then he joined my clan would I still be able to revenge him? Thank you.

clash-of-clans
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
The shuttle architecture and code had very few bugs.
Kind of required it.
 
Frank
Frank
9:20 PM
@JasonBerkan They also have a team of dozens of programmers, with incredibly strict and robust code policies.
And it still breaks on occasion.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank the fact that it didn't work perfectly for them doesn't mean that it can't
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I'm not sure how much of the Sony hack was even an exploit of existing programs versus just terrible, terrible infosec.
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 We won't agree on this, as I don't believe a theoretical limit is a useful point of measure for anything but something to strive for, but can never attain.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
4 mins ago, by murgatroid99
I bet that I could implement a simple text transformation program like those people actually use on Linux systems with exactly 0 bugs
I'm making more than just a theoretical argument
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@TimStone Apparently, server data was hardcoded into the virus so probably the latter.
 
Frank
Frank
9:23 PM
@murgatroid99 Okay. Write it. And then show me how useful it is.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
5 mins ago, by Origami Robot
If you wanted to, you could just play No True Scotsman with the definition of "utility" until you win.
 
Frank
Frank
I can bet you dollars to donuts that a program that does the same thing, but has more functionality, and has bugs, is going to be more useful.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Frank You aren't making sense. The theoretical limit is useful to discuss, even if it isn't feasible to reach it in large-scale projects at the moment. The theoretical limit is a bug-free piece of code, period. You are not participating in the same conversation that the rest of us are having.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank OK, then can you give a lower bound of "utility" above which bug-free code is impossible?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
You know, just speaking from a philosophical standpoint, I'd rather think "this is very, very unlikely but possible" rather than think "this is never going to happen, f--k ever even thinking about it."
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
9:25 PM
@OrigamiRobot I think it's easiest to just blame the Scottish and move on.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Man, I really hope a gauntlet gets thrown down here.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Sterno must be so happy right now.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
Oh look it's time for me to go sit on a train for way too long.
 
Frank
Frank
@StrixVaria That's the point I'm making; any project worth its salt is going to be complex enough that having zero bugs is a practical impossibility. No project is ever going to get funded to the point where the code is 100% bug free.
Striving for bug free code is a fantastic ideal that I think all coders should shoot for, yes.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Frank But no one else cares about feasibility right now. You're the only one talking about that. Everyone else is talking about possibility.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
9:26 PM
2 mins ago, by murgatroid99
@Frank OK, then can you give a lower bound of "utility" above which bug-free code is impossible?
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
Anyway now I'm actually going AFK.
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
Bug free code is possible until I start writing it. It all goes downhill from there.
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 I honestly wouldn't know. I don't think there is a specific line that would count.
It depends too much on what it's supposed to do, and the inputs and outputs.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank Then your argument is so vague that it is no longer worth engaging
3
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 You want a pragmatic measurement at which code is impossible to write bug free.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
9:28 PM
Chat just reloaded, did something happen?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank You are the one who seems to be saying that there is a line. I'm just asking you where it is
 
Frank
Frank
How do you measure code? Number of lines? Time saved?
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
You're the one saying things like "worth its salt"
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Frank You're the one saying there should be a test of utility ("any project worth its salt"), does it not then fall to you define the benchmarks?
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
You're the one Wait, I took my turn already
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:33 PM
It's like my teacher telling me I should both get an A and write the exams.
 
Frank
Frank
@Yuuki I'm arguing against code of one-liners. Yeah, you can write a one-liner that has no bugs, but it also has dick all for usefulness.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Yeah sure, but I doubt you'll accept the grade I gave myself, so what the point of trying?
 
Frank
Frank
Bug free code is easy; just define the bug context as one line.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank How about two-liners? Three?
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
What about two lines?
 
Frank
Frank
9:34 PM
That's why I'm saying useful code. Something someone would actually use.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Read CodeGolf.se. They can fit a lot of bugs in one line. Or a lot of functionality
 
Frank
Frank
Tell you what: Write a program that's fit for purpose for something a business wants done.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank I use the Linux command head. Do you think it's impossible to write that program without bugs?
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 I'm not familiar with Linux. I don't know what that does.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank It outputs the first K lines of a file, or STDIN if no filename is provided
 
Frank
Frank
9:37 PM
@murgatroid99 So it has one of two inputs, and one single output?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank actually, you can pass more than one filename. So a bit more than that
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Is it possible to get more than one mystery box in one run?

nicaelEvery time I play, I can't get more than one mystery box in one run (top score 611k). Is it even possible?

subway-surfers
0
Q: How to do enchanting correctly? (Skyrim)

GeekyGamerI'm very confused with the process of getting/making enchantments for armor and weapons. Will someone please give me the full guide to enchanting or give me a descriptive enchanting link?

skyrim magicka
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
It has a couple of other options, but that's the basic idea
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 That sounds simple, but reasonably complex. Are you saying that it's 100% bug free?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank I would be willing to bet that the implementation distributed with Linux has no bugs
 
fredley
fredley
9:41 PM
If you have a Pi, I can highly, highly recommend the wireless starter kit
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Of course, this is the point where we get stuck, because if you could determine with 100% accuracy whether a program has bugs, you would have also solved the halting problem and you probably wouldn't need your job in the first place
 
fredley
fredley
It's crazy easy to do awesome stuff
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 After thinking about it, I don't think it's possible to ever prove code is 100% bug free.
Perhaps a more reasonable metric would be, "No bugs reported in X time"?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank If your program is supposed to complete for all valid inputs (or a well-defined subset thereof), then the halting problem is a subproblem of bug finding
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
@Frank If your code has users interacting with it, you can never account for all possible cases. Users are dumb
 
Frank
Frank
9:45 PM
@Batophobia Well, yes. Users will always do something stupid. You can limit the damage they can do, though.
@murgatroid99 And requires complete knowledge of the codebase as well.
I dislike dealing with 100% guarantees of any nature, as there are always variables you can't account for.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Batophobia Unless it's something like:
 
Frank
Frank
Unless you have perfect control of all layers of the architecture, and you shoot any user that strays outside of the required parameters.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
public void SomeProgram(userInput)
{
   discard userInput
   do whatever
}
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
@Yuuki They will find a way to ruin it
 
Frank
Frank
@Batophobia Buffer overflow.
Wrong input type.
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
9:48 PM
I am constantly surprised by how crazy stupid people are
 
Frank
Frank
And that's why there are QA departments.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
public void SomeProgramMk2(userInput)
{
    Shoot users
}
 
Frank
Frank
@Yuuki I approve of this program.
 
Jason Berkan
Jason Berkan
Computer Science is dumb. All programs halt - you just have to kill the power to the computer.
 
Batophobia
Batophobia
@Yuuki This is a bad Rube Goldberg machine
 
Frank
Frank
9:50 PM
public void SomeProgramMk3(userInput)
{
     try
     {
           do operation
     }
     catch
     {
          shoot user
     }
     finally
     {
          shoot user
     }

     return 1;
}
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Frank Replace do operation with shoot user and we're good.
 
Frank
Frank
@Yuuki Check the finally statement.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
And after the finally clause, a double tap just to be safe would be an A+.
 
Frank
Frank
Problem is, you eventually run out of users. Thereby your program is no longer useful.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Frank This is the best-case scenario.
 
Frank
Frank
9:52 PM
@Yuuki Program has served its purpose. Terminate self.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Frank Is a program only useful if it is useful eternally?
 
Frank
Frank
@murgatroid99 Well, it can't be, because no program is eternally useful.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
Is hardware malfunction considered a bug?
 
Frank
Frank
@OrigamiRobot Does it cause the program to malfunction? Then yes.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
I could write a mean vending machine program. Vending machines are useful.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
9:54 PM
@OrigamiRobot no
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@OrigamiRobot Why would you write a mean vending machine program? Vending machines are jerks enough as it is.
 
Frank
Frank
@OrigamiRobot Even they have bugs; sometimes they eat your coins.
 
Origami Robot
Origami Robot
@Yuuki Every program I write would be mean. It's just my nature.
@Frank Hardware malfunction.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Frank According to @OrigamiRobot, this would be by design.
 
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