The Bridge - 2014-02-04 (page 5 of 12)

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Q: Obsolete comment flag handling

We've got well over 5000 obsolete comments on Arqade. Since these cannot be handled using any of the user level tools, I have been flagging these so that they can be actioned by a moderator. Unfortunately, our moderators don't appear to appreciate this effort in keeping the site clean? All of th...

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Hiii

great Mornings

morning

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Q: Obsolete comment flag handling

We've got well over 5000 obsolete comments on Arqade. Since these cannot be handled using any of the user level tools, I have been flagging these so that they can be actioned by a moderator. Unfortunately, our moderators don't appear to appreciate this effort in keeping the site clean? All of th...

support comments flagging

Kevin van der Velden

Slow lazers are still slow

9:08 AM

@kev sepia lazers is slower anyway, I think

Comment flagging

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@Unionhawk Mostly both lazers only check every 15 minutes or so.

people are fan of cat here

9:13 AM

@Arperum yes, I know how lazers work.

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They make pew pew sounds and report the feed updates if there are any every n minutes.

The pew pew is important to the whole process.

:D

Otherwise, LAZERS wouldn't be lazers

I should go the hell to sleep shouldn't I

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk potentially, what time is it over there? :)

@Ved no, rats are way better pets!

Except for the whole living only a year or 2 bit =[

9:17 AM

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Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk 4 am? Yeah you should be fast asleep

@KevinvanderVelden hmm :(

Yeah, time to stop pretending to be European and Zzz // @Uni has crashed! (good lord this joke again? Really?)

@KevinvanderVelden I've been going to bed at ~4AM for a couple days now.

They too have equal rights on planet as we have

9:20 AM

@Unionhawk YES YOU SHOULD

go to sleep now

...oh, you did already

Why does Fallen London keep attracting me back to that tab?

I don't even understand what is going on

I just feel compelled to keep clicking "Go!"

Go and come back

@kalina DOn't let it take your soul! Resist

Are you moderator ? @kalina

@Ved ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

falls on the floor

we are all moderators

apart from Kalina

9:24 AM

ahem

I see

No, I'll never be a moderator because communities hold grudges

I didn't know about my self :D

so I shall just continue contributing in my own little ways

well, trying to contribute

Kevin van der Velden

@Ved a moderators name will be blue in chat

9:25 AM

since more and more of my contributions these days just seem to get flat out rejected

Oh yeah, I agree with this pic:

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Kevin van der Velden

@kalina except they keep declining :(

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@KevinvanderVelden INB4 by @kalina

@KevinvanderVelden yep, it's almost like there is some moderator conspiracy where they want me to go and are actively trying to force me out

Kevin van der Velden

9:26 AM

@Arperum yeah, I was eating and typing with one hand, that's not really fast :(

@KevinvanderVelden ohhk

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina it's more likely to be a conspiracy to annoy you

@KevinvanderVelden Shutup, same here.

Kevin van der Velden

Which quite frankly I'd be in favor of most of the time

@kalina oh so sad

Kevin van der Velden

9:27 AM

@spyder @kalina is stealing your image!

stealing is future tense

I stole it already

But with eating done, I'm going out to go cut some wood, and hopefully not cause more annoying wounds.

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina well I don't know if you're planning on stealing it somewhere else

@KevinvanderVelden Might be stealing sounds more relevant in that case.

@KevinvanderVelden wut?

9:28 AM

@kalina eh, personally I think the mods could be a bit less hands-on in chat

Kevin van der Velden

in Game Development, 2 mins ago, by kalina

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@KevinvanderVelden ah. I don't care about this

We are having introduction to Game Jam tomorrow at work

and then Nordic game jam the 14-16th

@tombull89 "less hands-on in chat"? What?

Seriously, there's like one mod from Arqade doing anything in chat. And that's mostly switching owners for fun.

@FEichinger removing stars, for one

9:34 AM

@tombull89 Owners can do that, too.

more stars get removed by the constantly changing list of owners than by mods

Arqade's mods (I say mods, it really is just badp) are absolutely fine in chat, it's normally mods from elsewhere that cause the trouble in here

I found @kalina's coffee mug!

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no

I've already linked the picture on my coffee mug

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina is it a pony?

Jan 2 at 11:06, by kalina

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Kevin van der Velden

9:39 AM

@kalina xkcd is always better

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CPP can't overload one operator

Kevin van der Velden

9:58 AM

@Ved yes it can?

@KevinvanderVelden yay for xkcd

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina it is funny and mathy and smart(y?) and awesome

> The operators :: (scope resolution), . (member access), .* (member access through pointer to member), and ?: (ternary conditional) cannot be overloaded

But if you're looking to do that, you're getting really deep into operator overloading.

Probably unnecessarily so.

Kevin van der Velden

@TZHX ternary conditional count as an operator?

I don't see how that makes sense, that'd be saying that if..else..then is an operator =/

I just quoted a reference site.

It wouldn't have come to my mind if I was thinking of operators.

That it boils down to an if-else is probably the reason it can't be overloaded.

Kevin van der Velden

10:12 AM

@TZHX aah, I doubt the spec would call ternary conditionals an operator

@TZHX exactly, it'd just break everything if you did that

It is called the ternary operator, though.

But I think the name is a bit of a relic.

Kevin van der Velden

you also can't do things like succeeded = amIOnline() ? callServer() : callLocal();

because in a normal ternary conditional/operator/whatever it'd just call one of the call functions, if it's overloaded it would have to call both call functions

Indeed.

It may be possible with function pointers? But a fairly silly thing to do, all considered.

Kevin van der Velden

Also @FAE: I'm reading the transcript and just have to say: JEAH FOR CHOCOLATE COATED RAISINS. Best thing ever (except a bunch of other things I have called best thing ever, but definitely a best thing)

@TZHX hmm it wouldn't, cause there's no reason they have to be functions

It could just as easily have been amIOnline() ? callServer() : true

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

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Making and Building

Proposed Q&A site for makers and builders. Focusing non the non-software side of it. Engineers (Electrical, Mechanical, Chemical etc.) who make and build new things out of commonly obtainable items (as opposed to using industry grade equipment/materials for example).

Currently in definition.

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Proposed Q&A site for people that remember a Plot or Story of a Movie, Poetry or similar and want to know it's Origin, the name of the Movie, Play or Novell where they have seen or read it.

Currently in definition.

10:17 AM

but... it wasn't. yes, if you change the question, the answer changes.

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment No.

I'm not suggesting it.

Yawn

Kevin van der Velden

@TZHX yeah, but it has to be a one size fits all thing, ternary operators are testValue ? thisOneIfTrueValue : thisOneIfFalseValue. It doesn't matter how thisOneIfTrueValue is calculated, it only matters what it's final type is

indeed.

10:23 AM

@KevinvanderVelden In other words, C++ needs lazy evaluation for method parameters.

@KevinvanderVelden It's technically ?(cond, if, else), so yes, counts as an operator.

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka C++ and lazy evaluation are like, opposite realities. C++ is close to machine code; Lazy evaluation is... rather far away

@KevinvanderVelden It works for && ... until you overload it. Which makes me a sad panda.

Kevin van der Velden

@MartinSojka well that's not lazy evaluation (unless I'm wrong on my terms) that's just not evaluating things you don't need

Not delaying the evaluation

@KevinvanderVelden It's not technically the same, but it's used as a substitute for lazy evaluation in practice. You only evaluate the right operand when you need the value.

You can use it like if( stuff && (variable = letsCalcThis()) ) ...

10:30 AM

Hey. I have one SVN related issue

can anyone help ?

Kevin van der Velden

@Ved don't use SVN, problem solved

But maybe =p

@Ved Never ask if you can ask. Just ask.

If we can't help you, we can tell you who can.

@KevinvanderVelden :D

@KevinvanderVelden how do I down-vote in chat? :|

@FEichinger ok

I have one server Atlasian, which is just a linux server

on which one web app is hosted

Kevin van der Velden

10:32 AM

@TZHX I didn't say don't use source control! I'm specifically talking about SVN

now, that web app uses SVN repo to connect

@KevinvanderVelden I know.

but as that server is not pining to SVN, my web app is not able to fetch data

however, all other machines except that server are successfully connecting to SVN !

as well as, I can ping all other servers except SVN from it too

Kevin van der Velden

@Ved could be that the web app server is behind a firewall that blocks the SVN ports

@KevinvanderVelden I double checked that in iptables policy

its nothing like that

10:36 AM

@Ved Routing problem (Local network routes override default route? Try adding a specific /32 route to the SVN machine), firewall problem (on either end or dedicated firewalls inbetween), ARP cache broken and needs to be flushed, DNS problems, stuff like that. Doesn't sound like it's an SVN problem.

ok

"Try adding a specific /32 route to the SVN machine" How to do that ?

Depends on your OS, try: "man ip", "man route", "route /?" and similar.

Ok Thanks a lot

Kevin van der Velden

I shouldn't read cooking sites at work cause now I'm hungry and want to make this

mmm...

11:03 AM

I am ill, in bed. Our router has exploded. I only have mobile chat. :-(

spam flags plox gaming.stackexchange.com/a/154690/6418

Kevin van der Velden

@tombull89 much spam, more flags

how long after the election are the mods picked?

@tombull89 damn that disappeared quickly

@Qwertie 6-8 weeks

11:07 AM

@Qwertie It's immediate.

Kevin van der Velden

@Qwertie Magic

The results are downloadable right away for us to know who won.

Kevin van der Velden

Or is that not a valid answer to the question? :(

umm

I'm not sure how long it'll take for the SE team to assign the newly elected mods their diamonds though. Probably a couple hours, a day at the most.

11:08 AM

@tombull89 I see what you did there.

I voted for fredley :)

@Qwertie The names of the new mods are likely to be pinned in the starred list to the right as well, so if you pop your head into chat you'll be able to find out easily enough.

Plus we'll all be talking about it.

Kevin van der Velden

@Qwertie remember, you get 3 votes =p

@KevinvanderVelden i know but i voted him first :D

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11:17 AM

@spyder "Screw you stairs! I'm staying on my damn bike."

@spyder Saw it earlier, had to post it to my friend who recently started mountain biking

Yay for meta drama!

@Sterno you can't see steam at the moment, can you?

@Unionhawk You think that if I'm made a mod people won't blame me for things anymore? ha..ha...hahahahahahaha

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@Wipqozn think of it as preparation, you've been preparing for it for years

Journeyman Geek

11:29 AM

@Wipqozn: on the contrary, we'll blame you even more.

@JourneymanGeek Exactly!

Kevin van der Velden

All the blame to @Wipqozn !

ಠ_ಠ

i need to print logos on dvds with this antique shit

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Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang you have my sympathy

Also, for the record, since I'm sure at some point somebody will make some comment about me being emotional and angry and causing trouble: my meta post was asking for clarification on what is going on because nobody had given me anything definitive before nuking all of my flags

11:37 AM

@kalina you are emotional and angry again

and you cause trouble

This isn't me "being aggressive", "trolling", "causing trouble", or whatever other accusation that may be made at a later date

@kalina what you are trying to say

and you are ಠ_ಠ

~~HamStare @Wa~~ I can't believe I nearly did that

actions performed by you come under CIVIC duty in SE terms

Journeyman Geek

11:38 AM

@Wandang Actually, I could have used one of those.

I just want to know what is going on, is all

Journeyman Geek

ALso its @Wipqozn's fault.

O_O

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina embrace the HamStare

noooooo

nevar!

11:46 AM

how can you strike stuff

test

test

test

*test*

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Q: Is there a "follow" order in Civilization 4?

Let's say I want to follow another friendly civilization's army stack, to know where they exactly are right now. Is there a way to issue such an order to one of my units, or do I have to follow them manually every turn?

civilization-4 civilization-4-bts turn-based-strategy

I live in a 3rd world country, the power went in the whole building

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang with this thing: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1/sandbox

@Blem you live in america?

@KevinvanderVelden No, it is not that bad, we got proper healthcare

Kevin van der Velden

@Blem aah aight

11:51 AM

@Wandang there is a chatroom for that

@Wandang ---strikethrough---

Kevin van der Velden

@Blem I already linked him to that =p

~~asdf~~

~~strikethrough~~

you are my sandbox

i am the prince of sandcastle

I keep opening links in new tabs and then forgetting why I opened them or where the link even was

11:55 AM

@3ventic ~~youp~~ ಠ_ಠ

@Wandang ಠ_ಠ ‮

I have no starlist D: ‮

Journeyman Geek

Are you on mobile?

There it is, it was hiding behind my F5 key

@JourneymanGeek No, mobile chat is the worst ‮

Journeyman Geek

@Wandang: thats the litter box.. and WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU ORRIBLE ORRIBLE LITTLE PERSON?

@3ventic 10 hitlers

11:57 AM

I don't even use it while on a mobile device

Journeyman Geek

@3ventic: so true, other than resizing neatly :/

@JourneymanGeek it is your dirty mind not mine

Journeyman Geek

my mind is entirely clean. Just don't check under the carpet.

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic you're not missing much

Something about missing kidneys and creeping on Ronan Forman

There's only one message that was starred while I was at school anyway

My dad and my dog have taken over my bed ಠ_ಠ

Journeyman Geek

11:59 AM

woof.

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic I do not like the directions my mind is taking this =[

@KevinvanderVelden Eww.

@KevinvanderVelden ಠ_ಠ ‮

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger hence the me not liking it bit. Someone pass the brain bleach?

@KevinvanderVelden Why would it go there in the first place?!

Kevin van der Velden

12:01 PM

@FEichinger I DON'T KNOW. To much time spend on the bridge probably

No, no, we never get that icky.

Well, except for @FAE and @spugs, I suppose... glares at last night's conversation

Yeah... that's too far even for the Bridge

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger something about angels covered in cake

@FEichingers star was good

reminded me that i need to see nymphomaniac

i want the uncut version

5 1/2 hours

@KevinvanderVelden That still doesn't get me that train of thought, nope.

Journeyman Geek

12:03 PM

o0

I'm very comfortable with angel cake.

labuff

la puff and its gone

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger Meh, it was probably the taken over my bed bit

@KevinvanderVelden Well, that is creepy, yes.

Kevin van der Velden

@Wandang that's probably for the best yes

12:08 PM

So we are basically getting a situation where beds are taken over? @FEichinger's underbed is owned by @spugsley, @3ventic's bed is taken over by his dad and dog.

@Arperum Don't worry, it'll happen to you too, soon enough.

@FEichinger If my underbed is going to be taking over by someone I hope it's at least a female >_<. Otherwise I'll have to redirect the bedcreeper to some other random bed I have here.

Kevin van der Velden

New event! Find out who's taking over @Arperum's bed in 5 days!

@Arperum I'm in no position to comment on this.

> General Gaming Discussion Room - Check your sanity at the door.

I assume that means we should check our sanity at the door when leaving

12:12 PM

... Hold on a minute ... When was that text changed? WHY IS THE FIRST PART GOOOONE?!

RED ALERT, THE BRIDGE IS BROKEN.

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Q: How do I become a better League of Legends player

I think the most commonly asked question in League of Legends is "How do I escape Elo hell?" or "How do i gain Elo fast" Because most players are in silver or bronze. Now I play this game since Beta and I also have played in every Elo except challenger. I want to share some of the things I know...

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@FEichinger OH GOD NO. THERE ARE TAGS MISSING. PANIC HARDER.

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger when it was restored from being the bakery I believe

@3ventic I haven't seen my sanity in a while. I always assume it's having a good time.

@3ventic SHUTUP. I WAS WRONG.

@KevinvanderVelden I thought it was intact after that.

Welp, no it wasn't:

yesterday, by World Engineer

room topic changed to The Bridge: General Gaming Discussion Room - Check your sanity at the door. [-....] [-doge] [---doge] [-----doge] [-------doge] [-fun] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [murder] [the-event]*

INTRUDER ALERT, @WORLDENGINEER SABOTAGED THE BRIDGE!

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12:27 PM

What was the old text?

Also, now's a good time to call it the "Arqade Disucssion Room" instead of gaming. I don't think we ever updated that after our site name change

Journeyman Geek

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@JourneymanGeek Yes?

Jan 31 at 19:36, by badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we breathe air and look for three courageous people to experience diamondification [-....] [-doge] [---doge] [-----doge] [-------doge] [-fun] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [murder] [the-event]*

That's the last one before the Bakery.

room topic changed to The Bridge: The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we breathe air and look for three courageous people to experience diamondification [-fun] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [murder] [the-event]

I'll leave the doge off. :)

Well, yeh. That's a smart choice.

12:30 PM

@Sterno mod-abuse!

Kevin van der Velden

@Blem roomowner-abuse!

@KevinvanderVelden abuse-abuse!

@Sterno The Bridge: The Bridge?

Kevin van der Velden

@FEichinger the abuse isn't being abused, it's being used

@PrivatePansy can we just call it "The Bridge: After Dark"?

room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we breathe air and look for three courageous people to experience diamondification [-fun] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [murder] [the-event]

Journeyman Geek

12:33 PM

abuse-abuse-abuse

@JourneymanGeek Nope.

How do you guys feels about "Arqade's chat room, ..." rather than "General gaming chat room, ..."?

Journeyman Geek

nooooooooooooooo

Actually, sounds reasonable...

considering the name change and all.

How about Arqade's general chat room

abuse-use

Kevin van der Velden

12:40 PM

@3ventic use-the-abuse-luke

holy smokes. you realize that a site is american when talking about genitalia gets you autobanned

Journeyman Geek

@Wandang: also, its the bridge

lolwut

but ofc people circumvent the system and say lady bits

pathetic system

Journeyman Geek

@Wandang: I'm of the opinion the whole flagging system is flawed on chat

12:47 PM

@JourneymanGeek I don't think the devs have ever admitted it's perfect, just good enough

it is just fine tuned to ban me at least once a day

Oh, lovely, now @Wandang is ranting about Americans?

Fun fact: I flagged that message.

@FEichinger Oh, so you unignored him too? Or from the transcript?

There's a certain point where elaborating goes too far. I felt that was reached there.

I got bored of looking at the transcript for context, so I unignored him. We'll see how long it lasts.

12:52 PM

@Arperum Seeing my name in the transcript was what got me there.

Now I feel like I missed something

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Q: Is there protection against critical hits in Legaue of legends?

I know you can reduce the damage of critical hits in League of legends. (By masteries I think) But there is something that can reduce the prob. of critical hit on an enemy? If there is, can this affect yasuo's pasive?

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