The Bridge

Q: Should minor comments be flagged?

1:13 PM

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As per this discussion, our moderation team's current stance on flagging minor comments (such as "Thanks!" or "I've edited this now.") is as follows: Please don't bother flagging all comments that thank somebody for editing. Please don't bother flagging all comments that notify that something...

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Oh, joy, I suppose I'd better move my hull over there, too.

@FEichinger I would have waited a few days on that one. It's just going to get conflated with the other issue.

@Sterno Frankly, I don't necessarily want to avoid that.

Q: Should minor comments be flagged?

And I'm pretty sure the short answer is "Yeah, do it. Just don't do them all at once"

Sepia Lazers

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As per this discussion, our moderation team's current stance on flagging minor comments (such as "Thanks!" or "I've edited this now.") is as follows: Please don't bother flagging all comments that thank somebody for editing. Please don't bother flagging all comments that notify that something...

discussion site-policies comments flagging

1:18 PM

@Sterno Definitely, but that's not what has been said. And that's what annoys me about this whole thing in the first place.

@Sterno I love it when someone writes what I could've written in 1/100th of the number of words.

@FEichinger There's two different issues here. There's how the mods want such flags handled, which has been pretty consistent.

There's the secondary issue of how that was communicated to Kalina.

Also: Definitely.

But I'm going off of that comment, because that essentially tells every user "Don't flag that stuff at all."

And that is bad. Bad, bad, bad.

And I really don't like seeing that stand there as such.

But if that is what the moderators think, then they'll have to stand to such a meta question, I'm afraid.

I'm not real clear on what you just said or what you're aiming for.

If they don't want these comments flagged, that warrants a meta Q.

And from how it was written, that is what it looks like.

1:23 PM

It appears to me (and I may be wrong, please correct me!) that you are using that meta, which you know the answer to, to use as an argument in the other meta.

If so, I don't think it will be effective or helpful.

Because I think it mischaracterizes the issue they have.

@Sterno No, I just want a clear stance on what to do about these comments.

Because, as it appears, they have a different impression than large parts of the community.

@FEichinger I didn't see a comment like this anywhere. I guess I missed it. Link?

I thought the message had been pretty clearly, as I said, "Flag them, just not a ton at once"

@AviD Please don't bother flagging all comments that thank somebody for editing. Please don't bother flagging all comments that notify that something have been edited. Please don't go on similar flagging sprees, at least for comments, at least for minor situations like this. IOW: please do apply common sense. — badp 20 mins ago

It's a literal quote in my meta Q.

The keyword there, I think, is all.

Maybe you're right.

But I read that differently based on the context of the rest of the discussion.

It warrants a meta Q either way - this needs to be clear. Just like pretty much everything else relating to communication in all of this.

1:26 PM

So fair enough. Meta!

I just hope that meta doesn't bring all the attached drama into it.

@Sterno If it does, there's something to be said about that, too.

Give us 5k'ers a review queue for obsolete comments I say!

I don't think we need two metas full of it.

ducks

@Sterno Oh, don't worry, neither do I.

1:31 PM

@GraceNote But I like seeing the words you use!

@OrigamiRobot Because half of them are made up? ducks

@GraceNote I like your meta post but:

@Sterno I did my best to completely avoid that by noting that the underlying issue is largely tangential.

> I'm going to outright say it, if your main interest is clean up then the best way to get things done is the way that is most organized and most useful and helpful to those who actually have to do the job behind it. Your comfort level with regards to how much you're willing to do at once, your ability to do 200 edits in a single day, that's nice but it's not comparable to doing flags because that is no longer on what your comfort level is. And comfort dictates how well the job gets done.

That got wordy and kind of lost me, and I'm bringing it up specifically because you said "I'm going to outright say it" right before it

@Sterno Yesterday, I implied those words when kalina spoke to me about how she is able to do 200 edits and so she could do 100 flags easy-peasy. Implied without explicit statement, as seems to be this week's sin for me.

Private Pansy

1:34 PM

@Sterno I think what it means is, it's okay for you to do 200 edits a day because you're the only one that does it, but flagging requires a mod, and most mods won't want to handle 200 flags a day

@FEichinger It should be noted that Alice in Wonderland is one of my favorite books...

@GraceNote To be fair, "Be clear about this!" is today's jam, pretty much.

I'd like to point out that even when people are exceptionally clear, misunderstandings happen due to misreadings, loss of context, assumption of context that wasn't actually there, etc.

Definitely.

That is to say, a thing does not have to be badly written to be misunderstood.

And even things that seem like they should obviously be understood sometimes aren't.

Now my daughter is awake and I must get her ready for daycare

1:38 PM

@Sterno papapapowpowpow

Rather than do it all wrong, what I should've done was claim that it was entirely deliberate that I missed an entire section of my answer, so that I could make it 100% self-demonstrative.

... clearly I should've read that meta post about flags that I assumed was inoccuous and thus left to read until morning. Geez.

Gaming Topics From Outside

@3ventic The review process being lost is a fault here, and part of that is because of the limitations of the flag queue system. If you pick out of a list of 500 comments that all have specific keywords, the moderators still get a list of 50+ comments that all have specific keywords, which doesn't give any illustration that the situation has changed. — Grace Note 50 secs ago

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Q: While gaming, video and audio glitch randomly, how to stop?

I have an HP Envy with 12 GB memory, 1 TB hard drive and an i7 processor, with completely updated drivers. when playing games like Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Skyrim, the video and audio lag in sync with each other, with about one frame per second and the audio plays slowly with rapid clicks. t...

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1:42 PM

You lost me a bit there, @Grace

my tag creation is still declined

and dont know why

what was wrong about my excerpt

What tag where?

@Wandang This one?

StrixVaria

About an hour into the FFIV graphical remake on DS, and I wished they had just straight ported the original SNES version instead.

@3ventic yes

@FEichinger I do mean it. It's not worth the effort. It's not worth removing the credit for those who did raise the objection. It's not worth it. There are "thank you"s as answers to remove. There's terrible spelling to edit. There's awful questions to close. That is worth your time.

That is worth everybody's time.

A: Cleanup 2013: It's time for meaningful and consistent tag wikis

1:45 PM

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Excerpt A [Release Year] [Genre], developed by [Developer] for [Platforms]. [Short Description]. So, using the current skyrim wiki as a basis, the result would be something like A 2011 Fantasy Action RPG, developed by Bethesda Softworks for the PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. It is the fifth gam...

Follow that

i used the dota2 tag as example

@badp Well, then there's the reason for the meta.

Different reviewers use different standards

That's the current format that should be used

@FEichinger Is it? In the last 3.5 years I've seen an appropriate amount of flags of this kind: hardly any

The community at large has been dealing with this issue appropriately.

instead of disapproving they could edit it themselves

1:46 PM

@badp So "we haven't gotten any flags about this before" now means "Don't flag this ever!"?

...

@FEichinger It means the community agrees: it's not worth it

If the community thought it was worth it the community would flag it.

@badp Clearly someone disagrees with that.

@FEichinger 1 person does not the community make. All of the answers kalina got agree: it is not worth it.

We don't even have proper auditing of those flags.

Because

it

is

not

@badp Actually, none of the answers agree that it's not worth it.

1:48 PM

worth

it.

In fact, the matter that it isn't worth it wasn't raised until your comments section.

Where it seems to be met with disagreement.

And there's a reason I made a new meta for this specific point.

And that is still currently upvoted and has only answers that disagree with your notion.

Grace says it can occasionally be done

and 3ventic is wrong

so there's that :P

I hadn't seen the new question

Wrong about what?

"He's wrong", great argument.

I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.

I'm too confused right now.

1:50 PM

"so there's that :P"

I'm going to write a meta question, see ya after that

StrixVaria

@badp You didn't make separate images for each 6 hours until the last 6 hours, with a new image for each hour? I'm disappointed.

Yeh, sorry, but I don't give a shit. I'm one of the few people who thinks Arqade is too clean, and even I think that particular point you made is completely off-base.

Q: What software can affect a Bertor?

@StrixVaria Please do.

By the way:

Lazers

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These big ships are super annoying since they constantly spawn small kamikaze ships that does tons of damage. Also, the kamikaze ships are so fast that its hard to shoot at them before they've already collided with your ship. However, none of the high end software I've tried (like System Shutdo...

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1:51 PM

* yesterday I did purge a few threads as a result of those flags

* I did not do the mass declines

* I probably wouldn't have done them

* I still am okay with defending them

Nobody's saying you did. In fact, I very early-on assumed it was SE doing a bulk-decline.

Just putting that out there

@FEichinger I regret googling "udder nonsense" in order to make a bad joke...

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@OrigamiRobot Well, that's what you get for doing that.

Indeed.

1:57 PM

@badp We have limits on the amount of votes per day, there's even badges for it. If this think is solely about the amount of flags, not the reason for the flags, why dont we impose a limit on the amount of (mod actioned) flags one can raise in a day?

@Robotnik There already is one.

@AviD If you are not going to exercise common sense while pressing the buttons the website offers you the ability to press, you're gonna have a bad time. The flag limit was geared for Stack Overflow. We get 42 questions a day. The whole point of having moderators is to enforce common sense and policies when the website fails to do so. — badp 25 mins ago

@Robotnik There are limits for both comment flags and on post flags. Separate limits.

Fair enough. This thread is moving too quickly I can't keep up ;-)

Same

Q: Could we have the preferred tag wiki format indicated to suggesting users?

1:59 PM

@gnomeslice is a noob

just wanted to make that clear for today

and if you read this @gnomeslice , i will crush you with helga!

Sepia Lazers

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Related: Cleanup 2013: It's time for meaningful and consistent tag wikis Currently, there is no easy way to find the community's preferred tag wiki format apart from specifically searching meta for it. The sidebar has a link to the generic blog post about helpful tag wikis: but there's no lin...

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@Wandang Where did that come from? I find it kind of offensive to randomly call someone names out of nowhere.

Blem

@OrigamiRobot thought you said "uden nosser"

(I am aware that I'm probably ignored, but whatever)

@Wandang I hope that's an inside joke between you and him.

2:02 PM

@3ventic It feels offensive to me.

Hence, my hoping

@3ventic - sounds like someone just got beaten in a game, and someone else is spruiking in public chat to show off.
If its not offensive, its arrogant

That's what I'll assume for the time being.

@3ventic lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/…

@Robotnik its the way gnome likes it :D

we had a lot of fun yesterday dont worry

@Wipqozn okay, fair point. But I am a fan of blaming @fei

2:04 PM

@Unionhawk Hush.

maybe NSFW: cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/684845809097345807/… (before i get autobanned again)

@Wandang I'm pretty sure @gnome does not like it when people in here randomly start calling him names.

...and there it is

@3ventic not yet

I meant the flag.

2:07 PM

graceperiod of 10 seconds i guess

for real!?

It was cleared already, no worries :p

......

@fei you can't tell me who I can blame!

I blame who I want!

HamStare @Wandang

fredley

@Wandang ಠ_ಠ

Blem

2:10 PM

Ah, it only sort of gets old.

Huh, I'm slowly but surely crawling to 20k. 18999 right now.

Ugh. Note to self: get more than 5 hours of sleep.

►

thats neat

@Unionhawk generally the best

@Unionhawk It results in midday random brain shutdowns, doesn't it? At least for me.

2:22 PM

@badp I don't know if I've ever mentioned it, but thanks for being the mod who frequently steps up and takes whatever flack in chat or meta, even when you may not have been involved in the matter.

@Unionhawk Nah, that sounds about right.

Does it? Oh good.

@Sterno Thank you. It's fun! Well, it's fun while you write it. If it's been a while since last time.

After you hit send, the amount of fun varies.

Today there wasn't a lot of fun, and I got the numbers wrong several times.

Man, I go to bed, and we have a war about comments?

So, um, thanks for bearing with me.

2:24 PM

Also, good morning, Bridge

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Hi fbueckert

I CAN STILL TYPE YOUR NICKNAME

43 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

... clearly I should've read that meta post about flags that I assumed was inoccuous and thus left to read until morning. Geez.

@Frank I don't even know what's going on right now.

May be related to sleep duration too

@Frank I didn't view it as a war, but all the personal attacks against me kinda makes it seem like that's the case

@LessPop_MoreFizz I went to bed before it was even posted.

2:26 PM

@Sterno Indeed. A big part of the reason I ran was because I felt like @badp was taking too much heat and maybe wanted to share some of the warmth.

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's a good thing I voted for you!

Barely. I waffled a bit. :)

@kalina Well, when it dominates the conversation when I'm reviewing the last eight hours, it kinda seems like a war.

@Sterno Uh oh. You mean I might actually win this thing? Somebody voted for me?

Well, fuck.

Morning, Bridge

@Frank I merely wanted clarification since nobody would give me a straight answer

it escalated... quickly

2:27 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Well, I'll change my vote if some other mods promises to rename @Frank back to @fbueckert

oh and @badp, while we're on the subject, don't think that because I disagree with your somewhat threatening post on meta that I like you any less than I did yesterday morning

@Sterno Heck, I could rename myself!

@Frank Correct, to Hrank Buectert

you're still the best mod we have currently

@kalina people who like each other fighting even though they still like each other is the best kind of fighting.

2:28 PM

@Frank But then it's not mod abuse.

And now, I need to go to work.

The SE app is making my tablet vibrate constantly right now ... Notification borked.

@Sterno Done, just write me in on your ballot.

Professor Captain Loki Caprion

@OrigamiRobot That's a level of mod abuse I would not appreciate.

@FEichinger Not necessarily a bad thing...

2:29 PM

Jan 30 at 15:09, by kalina

this Stack Exchange application for Android just turns my phone into a vibrator

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And now I need to go to work.

@FEichinger tablet is a little large for... dammit @LessPop_MoreFizz

@Frank Which is precisely the point.

@kalina Well, this one's 7" ...

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This is one of those moments where the line can quickly turn into a dot on the horizon

Nexus 7s can't vibrate.

2:30 PM

@Wandang beat you though, didn't I. ;]

[generic innuendo]

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Collective star bait is best star bait.

@kalina You need to get a Pebble. It'll vibrate whenever you have a notification, and it's watch sized

-.-

@OrigamiRobot I'll give you a [generic innuendo]

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2:31 PM

...Aaaaand I think I'm gonna go do something else.

and that's how you completely replace the starlist in the space of 5 minutes

for tomorrow's lesson...

Thank you, folks, good work

@SaintWacko you know, you could just buy a vibrator. Probably cheaper

@SaintWacko We could [generic innuendo] @Frank together.

@KevinvanderVelden Good point

2:32 PM

HEY LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT SEX TOYS

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@kalina sounds like a plan

@TimStone If we could do that, ronnie would get elected.

@OrigamiRobot Good idea. @Frank [assume position] and get ready for your [generic innuendo]

@LessPop_MoreFizz DANGER DANGER. HIGH VOTAGE. WHEN WE FLAG. WHEN WE CLOSE. WHEN WE POST.

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@Arperum Oh hey, you customized her. When i get paid I'm probably going to do the same.

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2:34 PM

@GnomeSlice I did what?

@GnomeSlice Hey, you're here!

:D

@GnomeSlice so much luck that the enemies took care of the better one together ;)

i would like to see your profile. you seem to have pretty much any upgrade

Ughhhhh... ADHD meds are weird on no sleep.

@Arperum That was meant for wandangs nsfw link

mobile chat

@Wandang Nope, just the ones I wanted

@GnomeSlice Ah, because I was completely confused.

2:37 PM

@Sterno It's okay, my real mod abuse was going to be to have you elect me and then not do what you wanted anyway.

lol

@Arperum I was referring to his Loadout character.

@GnomeSlice Ah.

reeking of desperation, Steam now has a button on its homepage for games less than €.69

He chose Helga, for reasons we'll never understand...

@SaintWacko For now. =]

2:39 PM

Because @Wandang. That's why.

Q: What does the healattribute do?

@badp It does?

Lazers

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I could buy the heal attribute for my weapon. I tested it in testmode and it seemed like i would heal the testdummies. Do weapons with that attribute only heal , even enemies? Can you do damage too? Is there any reason i would take a rocket launcher with heal then instead of a beam? Does a r...

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Q: What does adaptive paint (camouflage) do?

Recently, I unlocked adaptive paint (camouflage). What does it do? Is it similar to a cameleon in that it changes color depending on what environment I am in?

battlefield-4

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Q: Where can i see user profiles?

I would like to see stats from other users. So far i did not find any userprofiles except my own (ingame). Where can i see stats for other users/their user profile? I did not find any on their site either.

loadout

I'm pretty sure it's just Enhanced Steam that adds that.

And bases it on your wallet.

@FEichinger I have it.

@FEichinger Oh. Okay.

@badp Well, I didn't know if you had Steam Enhanced installed, so ...

2:40 PM

OH NOES NOW YOU KNOW I HAVE SIXTY-NINE CENTS IN ME WALLET

JUDGEMENT

@badp HAHA YOU HAVE MONEY IN YOUR WALLET

@badp That's okay, we're only after your Lucky Charms.

@TimStone Silly rabbit, only kids can see why cocoa pebbles go coocoo.

Oh, right, I could try paying my tuition again ...

2:43 PM

@FEichinger how many times have you tried that yet?

@KevinvanderVelden I think this is #5.

And when are you just going to show up at your school with a giant bag of pennies saying "This is my tuition, sort it out"

Well, the issue is my bank, not the university.

The University will happily take your money, I'm sure

Dayton does.

@GraceNote gets out cane Darn kids, get off my lawn!

2:45 PM

@GraceNote Ouch, my brain.

Finally, paid.

@GraceNote I thought it was Cocoa Puffs, not Pebbles. COMMERCIALS LIED TO ME

@Unionhawk I lied, I feel awful.

@Sterno I knew I should've said Apple Jacks instead of Cocoa Pebbles.

@GraceNote No, I like it better this way. @Sterno's reaction is proof that it is superior.

Krazer

2:50 PM

@GraceNote No, Cinnamon Toast Crunch! It's the taste you can see!

@Krazer But that was already in there.

@Krazer Love that stuff!

@GraceNote At least it isn't Kaboom. That stuff was the worst.

The best cereal is Golden Grahams. Anyone who disagrees will be the last to go in the robot uprising.

Sometimes it being so cold out can be annoying

Like when all the toilets where I work break.

All of them

2:55 PM

That's bad.

yes

Gah! Finish chapter 1 of Lightning Strikes, move on to next...only to realize it doesn't start for a couple more days! Gah!

They put a Port-a-potty outside

Yes.

I said outside

@RedRiderX Gross.

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2:56 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yes

heehee

@RedRiderX Well, that's better than inside, but I imagine it's a bit chilly...