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6:16 PM

@murgatroid99 I have never been offended by anything said in here. People's opinions are their own. My only concern is being SFW.

How would you guys tag "Avernum: Escape from the Pit?", being that Avernum is series with 6 games, and this one is a 7th which is remake of the first?

(i.e., you can't just call it "avernum")

but it's not avernum-7

FallenAngelEyes

Yay, videocard installed, drivers updated, woo~ \o/

LessPop_MoreFizz

Can we please, please, please get some votes to close this question:

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Q: Platformer/action game about a guy in a yellow shirt and a red hat

I used to play it 9 years ago on Windows 98. It came with a lot of other games on a CD. The game was a single file. It was a kind of platformer/action/beat 'em up game. You started in a forest, playing a yellow-shirted guy that had a red hat. He had to kill aliens and you gained exp while doing...

identify-this-game windows

His most recent edit to provide additional info is this helpful nugget:

> Answering comment:The Main screen probably contained a big concept art with the game title that i can't remember. It was simple, it had either 3 options "Play, Help, Quit" or only "Play, Quit" and you could access "help" hitting f1. I remember the help screen was blue with a white font. I remember seeing lots of * signs through the screen.Hope it helps.

Yeah, awesome, the hotkey for help was F1. That's a unique identifying feature.

And it had a splash screen!

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's got a bounty, you need a mod anyway to close it

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh wait, he bountied it again, so you can't VTC it. again.

It has one close vote from before the most recent bounty.

6:26 PM

I'm more suprised that an ITG question about a game nobody can identify gets that many votes and favorites, the cynical mod in me would look for sock puppets there

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A: Tagging Suggestions

The idea that you must tag every game, no matter how obscure, is rather toxic. I would reserve tags for games that actually have some demonstrated popularity, eg, [gta4] is probably a reasonable tag as you can expect a number of those questions, whereas [space-bunnies-must-die] is really just a ...

I was just reading that, and doesn't it go against "meta tags are bad"?

No

@LessPop_MoreFizz 43 comments. Hmmm, that must be an interesting discussion

I probably don't understand what meta tags are then. I would have thought "platformer" was one

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Sterno Platformer isn't a meta tag.

6:29 PM

It's not the same type of meta tag.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Meta tags are tags about the content of the question. Not tags that could span a variety of question types.

gotcha

It's meta in the sense that it applies to another tag (namely, the game itself).

LessPop_MoreFizz

An example of a meta tag would be walkthrough

The real problematic meta tag we talk about is, as LessPop says, it's not about the problem but about what the question itself is.

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:30 PM

or the actual meta tags on meta, like feature-request and status-declined

Tags that are meta attributes to other tags are also kinda bad usually, but they don't tend to persist in existence. And in that scenario, he's using it in a non-meta-attribute fashion.

Interesting, I didn't realize single-user tags got deleted after 6 months

That they do

So character-build would be a meta tag?

Is the question a character build, or is the question about character builds?

It's only the former that would classify it as a meta tag.

6:35 PM

I'm not sure what that first type of question would look like

@GraceNote Isn't it single use tags, not single user tags they get deleted after 6 months?

A question about something else that happens to have a character build in the question as context?

Hence why it isn't a meta tag.

@Wipqozn My bad, I typoed

@Wipqozn Do you really want to start something on catching a typo that is still understood in context?

6:36 PM

@GraceNote Who said I was trying to start something? I just wanted to check if it was use or user. Both would make sense in that sentence.

I'm not sure what a "single user" tag would even mean

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Given the absence of a clear definition, I would dismiss it.

Thanks guys

@GraceNote The only questions that use the tag are all owned by the same user.

6:37 PM

@Sterno An example meta tag would be, say, subjective. It's a tag that says "This question is subjective". It tells you nothing about the problem that is actually in the question, just that the question is subjective.

@Wipqozn Hm. I'll grant that but so to clarify - single use.

Is AI War: Fleet Command good?

66% off

and is the DLC worth it?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy some pasta sauce and garlic bread for supper tonight.

There's a difference between what we refer to as Meta tags, and other kinds of tags often looked at such as "Tags which can apply to more than one game", or "Tags that don't tell you enough if they're the only tag on the question". Those are different phenomena, even if being a Meta tag includes those qualities generally.

@grace I've read the Meta Tags Are Bad meta post and I think I just got a little confused about what a meta tag was, specifically with the comment in there about how we often shouldn't have a 2nd tag until a given category is large. I.e., do I really need to add crafting to a question about a game that's only got 3 questions.

@Sterno I've kinda been beating @Strix silly for calling those meta tags. This is also at the start of my answer to that post

The tone of the blog post misconveyed that "meta tag" means "tag is bad if it's alone". That's not what makes it a meta tag. It can make it a bad tag period, but that doesn't make it a meta tag, and as a consequence, since people know that meta tags are bad, calling all dependent tags as meta tags misconstrues that all dependent tags are bad.

6:44 PM

Yeah, I think that was my point of confusion.

That's a lot of people's point of confusion.

Why did I get an hour-long suspension for that. =[

@GraceNote Yeah, reading Stephen's post at the bottom makes me think I'm definitely not alone.

Although he took it to a further extreme than I was

Eh? He's talking about bad tags, like Strix was. Strix just misnamed meta tags but the post really isn't even about meta tags. So he doesn't seem misguided or anything.

Then I'm confused again, because some of the tags he went and deleted from posts look specifically like the ones we just said were okay

6:48 PM

I haven't said these are okay, I just said they weren't meta tags. ♪

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fanboys-online.com/minis/?p=10

oh

okay

:)

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A: What Are Some Advantages of Different Usages of Jokers?

The thing to remember about Lock-n-Roll is that your ability to get a high score depends entirely on being able to clear the whole board. The bonuses you get for clearing a board and the ability to place all 20 dice wherever you like mean that you can repeat the process almost indefinitely, so th...

Upvotes please.

@GraceNote I think my point is that there's definitely confusion over when extra tags should or should not be added, whether they're good tags, bad tags, meta tags, or some combination of those

@Sterno Coincidentally, this hasn't entirely been settled. Current policy is to try to avoid them except for the lone cases of minecraft-redstone and the races in Starcraft.

6:50 PM

This post in particular has some tags that @RavenDreamer added and then Stephen removed.

@GraceNote tf2-pyro

And whereas previously I was with Stephen on that, it sounds like @RavenDreamer was right.

Or there's no consensus!

And maybe the TF classes, too.

I don't like the TF class tags.

I think all of the relevant class info should be in the title.

Eh, sometimes you're just referring to, say, a weapon.

6:52 PM

Then again, my opinion doesn't really hold a lot of weight around here.

@GnomeSlice You could say that about any tag.

@GnomeSlice Don't say that.

@Ullallulloo Yes and no.

The reason we include sub-class tags like the race tags in Starcraft is because sometimes, having to insert the string is hackneyed. You could write a post about Mutalisks, having to include Zerg in there is inefficient to the writer and unnecessary to the readers except to find it.

So rather than bother with needing to include it in the body... presto, tag. Now you can find all questions about Zerg unit elements without relying on the author to put in an extraneous "Zerg" in their title or body.

@GraceNote You could argue that for tons of discouraged tags.

6:54 PM

@GnomeSlice I did argue that, recall?

@GraceNote No, I just got here. I remember using that argument in defense of weapons in a discussion with @tzenes.

@GnomeSlice No, I used this argument for months. I still stand by it, technically, but I'm also willing to back down on other elements.

I mean I used it in a discussion with him.

I know. I saw that.

I don't see the problem with using more tags than is really necessary.

But it seems to me that's generally considered bad form.

And I can see the reasoning.

6:57 PM

We have a tag limit for starters, and there's also the matter of tags being consistent in meaning.

@GnomeSlice The main thing is that it could push the game name out of the title.

Zerg lives because Zerg is restricted in meaning to Starcraft and its successor, and even though it applies to two games, its connotation and meaningful subdivision is identical between them.

Which is why we want game tags so much.

@Ullallulloo I thought we'd determined that was never going to happen?

I didn't really get what Jeff meant when he said something like "bunnies-must-die" would be "toxic" (I understand most people didn't agree, though) Does "toxic" have a special meaning in StackExchange land, or did he basically just mean "I hate it really bad?"

6:58 PM

@GnomeSlice Then Jeff left. :x

@Sterno He thinks it's silly that "space-bunnies-must-die" could possibly be a tag by the mere prospect of the notion.

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@GraceNote But... isn't that a game?

@GnomeSlice Yes, it is. You should catch up on the conversation and refresh that this is Jeff's argument for "Not every game needs to be tagged".

I could make a programming language called "BoobsScript" and that could be a tag on SO.

@GraceNote o.o

@GnomeSlice That probably already exists.

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