@NickT Right, but like I said, AC has no impact on narrative. And dividing by gender is perhaps too granular in the other direction - though, maybe not. Just because the appropriate way to ask the question is to narrow it down to one case out of 16 does not obligate us to seed and answer the other 15 variants.
I.E., suggesting that the question "What stats are good for a healer in WoW" be changed to "What stats are good for a Holy Paladin in WoW" does not mandate that we immediately set up "What stats are good for a Resto Druid/Disc Priest/Holy Priest/Resto Shaman in WoW" to correspond.
@NickT And how is that different or worse than Q: "As a Bounty Hunter tank, what stats do I want?" A: "Aim, Endurance and Stuff" vs. Q: "As a Sith Inquisitor Healer, what stats do I want?" A: "Willpower and stuff."
@NickT It's not a matter of discussion though, because this isn't a discussion site. It's about narrowing the scope of the question to a point where it's possible to cleanly and completely answer it.
@NickT You are somewhat off the mark for the reason I've stated: There are dozens of 'casual' romantic options which are basically one off lines of dialog that one player in one hundred might stumble across because of how complex the dialog trees are. It's not just companions.
You're understimating the scope of the problem space significantly.
@LessPop_MoreFizz yes, which is why I was mentioning earlier that you should just shut down the NPC bit with "lots", as there are too many to mention on a site like this unless someone's asking about a specific one
there's no "popping up affection lots and flirting" with baroness cortess, you just get the Baron to leave the room and then ask her to show you some 'hospitality'.
@NickT Right, but that's directly contradictory to the question as written, and is why I specifically suggested narrowing the scope along one axis or the other.
@NickT She's not a companion, I'm saying that your suggestion of narrowing it to just companions and shutting down others with 'lots' is directly contrary to the stated intent of the original question. While it becomes answerable then, and while @Sterno seems amenable to the change, and that's great, I think it's important to value the original intent of an asker before making radical changes like that, unless the asker themself is interested in doing so. Since @Sterno is, it's all moot...
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Oh, ffs.
It works in the chat transcript, but not the room description?
but I think it's a dangerous precedent to get into making radical changes like that rather than merely closing, and proposing an alternative and letting the asker decide what sort of information they want.
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@LessPop_MoreFizz If the question is going to be closed but has a very useful half to it, closing it is asinine. Just remove the other half, and comment on why it was.
Otherwise people would be liable to close a new question that duplicates the good half as a dupe
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@NickT No, ideally you get one good reopened question after the asker has edited it. Teach them to fish as it were, and explain how to improve the question. Reopen votes exist for a reason, and closed questions can be edited for a reason.
I think the 'broken window' of a closed question and some conversation leading to a revision by the original asker that preserves their intent is worth the benefit of having that person really understand what was wrong with the original question and how to make it better - rather than us doing it for them.
@NickT Because the vast majority of the time, it isn't done because a question was improved, but rather because there's a substantial disagreement about whether the question belongs at all.
Because then I'd have to go to meta probably to find out why my question got edited, or if I don't know about meta I'd just repost it hoping for an answer
Let's say I'm a user who barely ever visits the site. I post the question, wanting to know about all the romance possibilites and not just companions. @LessPopMoreFizz or someone else comes in and edits out half of my question, which is presumably half that I care about
@Sterno Exactly this. And this is why I'm saying a better solution is to vote to close to prevent the broken window of bad answers accumulating while we work with the user to fix it.
@StrixVaria The point of closing isn't to prepare it for deletion in this case. It's to shut down the question against bad answers while we work with the asker to improve the question.
@LessPopMoreFizz I have essentially no faith that +3k people on this site will revisit a question that the asker attempted to fix; how many have been closed, fixed exclusively by the asker, then re-opened?
Here's the thing. If I had seen the edit @RavenDreamer made initially in the review queue, I'd've rejected it as a Radical Change. Which is one of the reasons provided by default - because that's not what edits by other users are supposed to do.
There's a bit of a learning curve to asking questions on SE sites. I think it's good to make it as obvious to people as possible why they're questions need to be changed. Closing does that. Editing it out from under them (probably) doesn't.
If a question is/is going to be closed, but there is a good question in there, I will fix it and I have zero qualms about it (so long as I know the topic well enough)
@NickT but if that good question isn't the one that the asker really wanted to ask, all you've done is waste their time. As I noted, in the case of this question by @Sterno, there are several axes along which it can be narrowed. And if it was asked in an overly broad way (which I think it was), I do think it's highly inappropriate for anyone other than the asker to choose which of those axes to narrow it along, since doing so by any one of them might rule out the one he cares about.
Edits that don't preserve the intent of the original author are not something that should be taken lightly, and we should proceed with an abundance of caution whenever we're talking about them.
I figured it was going to look a lot like the answer I have now, with maybe half a dozen to a dozen at most quest npcs that were available to all classes.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I'm not totally destroying their question; if it's that different then I wouldn't just narrow the scope to prevent closure.
@LessPopMoreFizz in this example it seemed like there were just two subquestions, one was extremely defined (companions), the other extremely vague (all NPCs)
There are plenty of questions that are far too vague, so I'll usually give up and close, but this one seemed easy to fix
@NickT But the point is that neither question is 'too vague' per se. The 'all NPCs' subset is decidedly answerable if you divide it up in a different direction, such as 'male imperial agent'.
I'd wager that you get a list of roughly comparable size to the list you get from 'all companions' if you divide in that direction.
@NickT Sure it is. It's also easily transmutable into "Which NPC's can a male Imperial Agent bang?" Without having this conversation with the asker via comments or chat, you don't know. And so changing the question when the intent of the asker is unclear is inappropriate.
@NickT You'll note that the existing answer prior to the most recent change is now actually incorrect. Because the individuals named are not companions.
@NickT Well, the answer that's there is wrong now.
@NickT No, they generally aren't. But Questions should be - at least for long enough to let them narrow it down rather than having it done for them. Especially if there are multiple ways it can be sliced.
@NickT Sure, but just because it's easy to split up, doesn't mean that you know which portion of the subdivided question is important to the asker. And that's where using comments and/or chat, and closing the question while it gets figured out is important and helpful.
I still don't understand where you're coming from, you make it sound like I'm totally off my rocker if someone asks "how do I use a screwdriver and other tools I have", and I simply drop the "other tools" bit
@LessPopMoreFizz so? I like one part of the question. If they really have two, then tell them go post the other
@NickT I think it's more like the original question saying "How do I use the tools in a standard tool kit" and editing it to "How do I use a screwdriver?" based on there being one answer about a screwdriver so far.
@LessPopMoreFizz what if their question was closed? then what, wait a day to see if the OP will fix it, maybe edit it after that, try to canvass for votes here to re-open (lol), that fails, write a new question, one which will probably be closed as a dupe
@NickT And I'm saying that I don't think that impression is accurate, because we've had very few legitimate cases for reopening in our sites history.
The vast majority of the time that a reopen vote comes along in my experience, it's not because the question was changed, but rather because somebody disagrees with the original closure.
I'm currently carrying around a wired xbox controller in my laptop bag. I love it, but would like to find something that is a bit more portable. I haven't had any luck in my research so thought I'd ask here. Bluetooth is a plus, but I would settle for something with a fairly short USB cord. Be...
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@LessPopMoreFizz do you know how I can change the appearence of my Khem Val? I see other folks walking around with Khem Val's in nice armor, and mine is still stuck in a loin cloth.
earlier today someone asked me "do you want money?" and I was confused. I asked "what are my options" and they said "money, or no money." I was still confused. But I said yes to the money, because that way at least I'm confused with money.
@RavenDreamer Alternately, I'm sure you could do a variant of this.
@RavenDreamer Yeah, get the ipod app, because it makes your account secure, it makes logging in less annoying (you can enter all the info in one window before hitting the login button, rather than having two prompts!), and lets you buy emergency fleet passes, cool companion customizations and other such things.
I'm terrified to buy my 5th row of bag space because I know I'm 7 levels away from needing to spend 200k on a speeder. And new ranks of skills can cost me as much as 5k at a time already.
Honestly, you know the most remarkable thing about The Old Republic?
It's put the role-playing back in MMO's for most players, and it's done so in a way that doesn't have anything to do with strange misapplications of the /kneel and /chicken emotes in a dark corner of the deeprun tram.
I have bought and mastered all of the equipment that is available for sale in the item shop, but there are a whole bunch of items that are greyed out. I have tried equipping lots of weapon/item drop rate increase gems, but invariably this yields low quality equipment that I already own. I have ha...
I love Khem. I really do. He gets his face bashed in on a regular basis so I don't have to.
But for all his "Yes, master", and "Watch your back, little Sith", I can't help but notice that he follows me everywhere at a distressingly short distance.
Normally, this wouldn't be an issue, but it mak...
I'm currently carrying around a wired xbox controller in my laptop bag. I love it, but would like to find something that is a bit more portable. I haven't had any luck in my research so thought I'd ask here. Bluetooth is a plus, but I would settle for something with a fairly short USB cord. Betwe...
please help me to identify a game.
It's a action puzzle game like puyo puyo.
You can play against the computer, spliting the screen in two puzzles boards, side by side.
Your character is an female angel in the left side of the screen and the computer is a female demon.
Everytime you do a big co...
I just finished a session of hand-written Pocket Dungeon mixed with intervals of reading The Geek's Guide to World Domination. I'm feeling very geeky right now.
I was playing a World match on Tetris Axis, and noticed that sometimes, a block on one of my Tetriminos would be rainbow coloured. I never saw the blocks with the rainbow bits behave any differently, so that leaves me wondering - what was that for? Why did it happen?
In the recently released Nintendo title, Mario Kart 7, there is a feature new to the series that allows the game to track your performance during gameplay against bots and other players online. Based upon these data, your racer will be assigned a title visible in the in-game Mario Kart Channel in...
Since the snowball achievement during the Steam Gift Pile, I've been playing Spiral Knights.
One thing I've noticed is that I seem to be getting the same levels a lot, despite several things/people mentioning that the Clockworks cycle levels.
So I began to wonder, could it be because I play at ...
I love Khem. I really do. He gets his face bashed in on a regular basis so I don't have to.
But for all his "Yes, master", and "Watch your back, little Sith", I can't help but notice that he follows me everywhere at a distressingly short distance.
Normally, this wouldn't be an issue, but it mak...
Is it possible that I'm playing against players on the PS3, Xbox and the Mac in a single game?
Or does each platform have their own servers and games?
Since the snowball achievement during the Steam Gift Pile, I've been playing Spiral Knights.
One thing I've noticed is that I seem to be getting the same levels a lot, despite several things/people mentioning that the Clockworks cycle levels.
So I began to wonder, could it be because I play at ...
