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5:01 PM
Horrible and brilliant.
Tetris sounds so much AAA class now.
 
He did Super Mario Bros. too. (even more great)
 
I just got won a duel. (In TF2) 9 to go!
 
@ArdaXi I don't like duels in TF2, simply because people seem to cheese when doing them... usually by switching to Medic or something (which gets them assists versus the other player if the person they're healing kills them)
and assists count towards duels.
 
Well, yeah, but you're free to do the same. And you're an easy target as a medic.
Especially since you can't force the player you're healing to kill your opponent.
 
5:11 PM
2. Duels go against the whole team nature of the game.
If Valve ever lists stats for duels, I can almost bet the top played classes of people who duel are Sniper and Medic.
Correction, of people who win duels.
 
Well, I've only dueled on cp_degrootkeep
 
In that case, demoman.
 
The top player only has 44 hours on medic.
 
Although Spy is also OP on cp_degrootkeep
 
Well, yes, but everyone plays demo on degrootkeep. Demo or sniper.
By the way, hats don't drop do they?
 
5:14 PM
Not me! I play Spy. The Eternal Reward is way overpowered for melee only.
@ArdaXi Hats drop, but they're on a different timer than items.
A much, much, much much much longer timer.
 
@Powerlord Ah, so very rarely.
 
@ArdaXi Yeah.
 
I just don't get that people wear that Mann Co hat. I'd be ashamed of having it.
 
I saw no hat drops for a good nine months, then got two during the "double drop rate week" they had a while back.
 
Would probably recycle it.
 
5:16 PM
That reminds me, why do I not have the Towering Pillar of Hats on any of my classes? That's one I was looking for for a long time and got it as one of the two hats I mentioned above.
Oh right, I forgot to mention... while this hasn't been verified, I believe that getting hats from crates (meaning you also bought keys from the Mann Co. store or traded for keys) affects the hat drop rate.
Or more specifically, resets the counter.
 
Wait, am I reading the Cheater's Lament wiki page correctly? They just gave it to everyone?
 
@ArdaXi I know there was a bug at some point that gave it to people previously detected as cheating who used drunkenf00l's idle program.
 
> This hat was awarded on September 2, 2009 to all players who had not used external idling programs and had played at least once since the introduction of the item drop system. During the Mann-Conomy Update, the hat was dropped a second time for players who did not receive it during the initial drop. This includes those who were excluded from the first drop for using external idle programs.
Ah. I got it on September 2nd though.
I was saved by the fact I didn't use drunkenf00l's programme.
 
@ArdaXi Same here.
Valve has no problem with idling for items... as long as you were using the actual TF2 client to do it.
 
@Powerlord The emphasis being on drunkenf00l's, not programme.
I used an external programme alright, just not a well-known one.
Valve has no ability to detect the programme.
What Valve can detect is which server you connect to. If it detects that you connected to a known external idling server, they cleared your backpack.
 
5:24 PM
@ArdaXi Sure they do... issue an update that changes the protocol and see who uses the old one.
 
@Powerlord That would break it for people who don't update TF2 too.
Sure, it's rare, but they can't risk it.
 
@ArdaXi Yes, and every update does that anyway.
 
@Powerlord Not sure about that.
But still, then it'd would be reverse engineered again.
It's a cat and mouse game Valve will always lose.
 
How can you even get 14k drops of the duel minigame?
 
@ArdaXi Except that when Valve changes it, they can simply clear your backpack to discourage you from doing it again.
 
5:27 PM
@Powerlord Unless you catch on to the fact there's an update.
 
Besides, it's a moot point now that Valve introduced the item cap.
 
What item cap? You're guaranteed an item every 15-75 minutes.
 
Bob
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Q: Do elemental weapons ignore enemy armor?

katahlynI read on some forum that elemental weapons ignore armor, but I didn't find any mention of that in the game manual. It didn't look that way to me, but then again the mobs I was fighting could have had elemental resists. Is there a way to determine if that's true?

 
@ArdaXi You're guaranteed an item every 15-75 minutes... for the first 6 or so hours you play a week.
and then nothing until 6pm PDT Wednesday.
Which is 2am GMT Thursday, as I recall.
I might be wrong on it being 6 hours, too... might be 5.
I'm not sure if this affects the hat drop rate or not, since the hat drop rate is so much lower.
 
@Powerlord hats drop?
 
5:31 PM
It's roughly 11 hours.
 
@CRoss Yes, hats drop.
 
But I've got at least two weeks.
 
@Powerlord </bitter-sarcasm>
 
> Playing less than the cap carries over unused time to the next week, increasing that week's cap to a maximum of two weeks' worth of playtime.
 
@ArdaXi I was about to mention that.
 
5:32 PM
So if you don't play X hours every two weeks, no hats for you?
 
@failbadp Basically.
 
for X \simeq 11?
 
@failbadp But they do carry over.
So if you don't play for 7 months, you can keep playing (and finding items) for two weeks straight.
Which, coincidentally, is just my playstyle.
 
@ArdaXi Um, no, it only carries over to the next week and no further.
 
2 mins ago, by Arda Xi
> Playing less than the cap carries over unused time to the next week, increasing that week's cap to a maximum of two weeks' worth of playtime.
How else would you get two weeks?
 
5:34 PM
Which means you'll only have the same amount of drops you'd get in two weeks time.
Which is likely what they meant.
 
Also, crate drops are on a different timer too.
 
For instance, I'll get 6-8 items this week. If I didn't play this week, I'd get 12-16 items next week. If I didn't play for two weeks, the week after that I'd get... 12-16 items.
6-8 being the average range of drops... it could be more or less than that range, I suppose.
 
:/
 
I think crates have the same two week thing going on, but you usually only get 1 crate per week.
 
@Powerlord Err
I've got at least 4 crates this week.
 
5:37 PM
@ArdaXi That's... unusual.
Maybe those stack beyond the 2 week thing.
 
I've got 6 crates total, over a total of two weeks.
 
Which is pointless unless you're opening or trading them.
 
Of course it is.
 
There must be some cap in place, because I only seem to get crate drops (AND hat drops) during the same time period I'm getting item drops in a week.
I don't think I've hit my cap this week, since it only reset a day and a half ago, but I might have.
 
Let me see how much playtime I've had this week
 
5:39 PM
I finally emptied out the first two pages of my inventory, crafting a bunch of metal... I have 20x refined metal now. :D
 
I've had 19.6 hours the last two weeks.
 
Does the TF Wiki have any estimates on how often you get hat drops?
 
So I must still have a considerable amount of hours left this week.
@Powerlord Not as far as I can tell.
 
Probably because it has a considerably wider range.
 
Going by the old system:
 
5:40 PM
I still wonder if I get two hats during the double drop rate week was simply because my hat drop timer kept resetting from opening crates (I'm a dirty crate whore!)
 
There was a 1 in 4 chance of receiving a weapon, and a 1 in 28 chance of receiving a hat.
@Powerlord You bought keys?
 
@ArdaXi Maaaaaaaybe,
 
@Powerlord Er... okay.
shakes head
 
Especially during the christmas crate time, since you had a much higher chance of getting hats then.
Of course, Valve gave everyone one free key back then,
 
Nobody ever tells me that kind of thing.
Of course I was full-on bashing TF2.5 back then.
 
5:43 PM
Yup... Stocking Stuffer Key. Opened both Festive Winter Crate and normal crates.
 
I want a key :(
I have so many crates.
 
Festive Winter Crates couldn't be opened with normal keys, only Festive Winter Keys... which were keys with Mistletoe on them.
 
@ArdaXi Trade 'em
 
@failbadp For what?
 
Also, I see that with the Shogun Pack update, Valve added at least 3 new crate series... Series 10, 11, and 12.
 
5:44 PM
Meh, I'd take whatever people is willing to take for an item that's worthless to me.
 
I forgot I have a Series 12 crate in my inventory.
 
I doubt I have anything anyone will like.
I also seem to be the only one with a Primeval Warrior badge these days.
 
D'oh, that must use images from Valve's site; I can't see them.
opens in tf2b.com instead
 
@Powerlord You can mouse-over surely?
 
@ArdaXi Ha, I see you have two Ghastlier Gibuses
 
5:47 PM
@Powerlord Yes, and I have no idea why
 
sigh... ing bloody mosquitoes right now
 
@ArdaXi Well, all Ghastly Gibuses got upgraded to Ghastlier at the start of the Halloween event. You could get one Ghastly Gibus if you found a secret link in the first Halloween update page during a specific time, and another through the achievement.
 
Oh, right. I unlocked the achievement and visited the page.
 
I was at work when they launched the page, and it was done by the time I got home. :/
 
I guess the series 7 crate is borderline useless
 
5:49 PM
@Powerlord Damn you have a lot of metal.
 
@ArdaXi I got a bunch when I downgraded the effect of my Unusual Le Party Phantom.
 
@Powerlord Is there anything you don't have?
 
@ArdaXi Well, I don't have a Big Kill any more, but that was just a Revolver Reskin anyway.
 
@Powerlord Downgraded?
 
@failbadp new name?
 
5:52 PM
@ArdaXi The effects on Unusual hats have various... well, not rarities, but they vary in what effects people like.
 
@RavenDreamer He failed to beat the last boss of badp.
 
I have a list at home of which effects are more popular than others.
I had a Unusual Le Party Phantom with Circling Heart, now I have Unusual Le Party Phantom with Green Confetti.
 
Bob
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Q: Identify a green shard spell in Magicka

Sadly NotPlaying co-op I saw a wicked area of effect spell where large glass-like green shards shot up through the ground in a circle around the mage. I forgot to ask the guy how he did it. Obviously I shift-right click to get the area of effect, but what elements could be involved? Life could account for...

 
How do you do that, then?
 
@ArdaXi Traded with someone.
 
5:53 PM
Ah.
 
what is badp?
 
Oh, right, metal is the de-facto currency.
 
Basically, I have a Unusual Fancy Fedora with Circling Peace Symbol, but circling effects overlap.
So, basically, you saw a circling heart with the outside border of the peace symbol around it.
 
@RavenDreamer that's an interesting existential question? Sure you didn't mean "where"?
 
@Powerlord Your backpack is enviable. Warn me before I use these websites, next time. :/
 
5:54 PM
Now, you see the circling peace symbol above my head and green confetti falling behind me (unless I'm taunting, then it looks like I'm vomiting confetti)
 
No. @MichaelMyers said "he failed to beat the last boss of badp" And now I'm even more confused.
 
Having said that, I'm trying to get someone to trade me an Unusual Fez with TF Logo for my Unusual Fedora with Peace Symbol.
Stupid sets requiring hats... I have to remove my Fedora to get the silent decloak effect. >:/
 
Aww.
 
Honestly, it was a bad idea getting Spy unusual hats anyway, as you can't see Spy hats when a Spy is disguised.
I should have gotten an Engineer Unusual. :D
(Engineer being my second-most played class)
 
Wow, you're a completely different level of player. Us peasants are still worrying about getting weapons, and you just care about the type of unusual hat you have.
 
5:57 PM
@ArdaXi Yup.
Well, you commented on how much metal I have.
I can craft any new weapon they add, I just won't if I think it's too expensive.
I mean, I just crafted the 5 weapons I was missing.
 
You seriously play this game a lot.
 
@ArdaXi You're... just noticing that?
 
I now understand why we got into that whole argument about that TF2 question some time back.
 
Is red nose day just an English thing?
 
@Powerlord I wish I had that kind of dedication.
 
5:59 PM
But no, the unusual hats I actually got by trading away my Sam and Max promo items, as well as the Earbuds promo item, MNC promo items, L4D2 preorder promo item, and some other hats to get a second set of earbuds which are ALSO used as currency on trades.
 
Oh, yeah, I mustn't forget to pre-order Portal 2 soon.
 
Earbuds are third most valuable trading commodity, Max's Head is the second, Unusual Hat of Wealth and Respect is the first.
UHOWAR required you to spend ungodly amounts of real money on games during Steam's Treasure Hunt sale... you had to buy every game they had on sale during it.
Needless to say, I never had the UHOWAR
 
At least if my friend in the UK comes on soon.
@Powerlord I can remember I only didn't have one or two of the games they had on sale every day.
 
@ArdaXi I am online
 
I own about a hundred games on Steam.
 
6:01 PM
@ArdaXi For me, the ones I didn't have were the expensive ones.
 
@ArdaXi Ahh buh?
@ArdaXi How much money does that amount to?
 
I own more than 100... I don't know the exact number.
 
@SadlyNot Roughly 675 pounds.
 
steamcommunity.com/id/powerlord <-- should say on there somewhere.
 
@Powerlord 81 games for a total of $994.20
No, wait that's me.
 
6:03 PM
from the unholy bowels of the internet I summon forth the demon @badp
!!!
 
You've got 152 games amounting to $1796.49
 
@Powerlord View all 193 games
@tzenes You have to say please.
 
Yeah, I tend to buy games when they're really cheap.
 
Holy shit @Powerlord. You could earn at least $1500 for that account.
 
@badp this question has an answer: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/17625/new-season-is-coming while I agree it is localized if you could insert the answer below so people looking for it will find it, I would appreciate it
 
6:04 PM
Such as Darkstalkers for $10 this week.
 
@SadlyNot Actually, it's @fail.
 
Haha people are starting to complain about closing questions.
It is a little annoying that one person alone can decide to close a question.
You feel a lot less gypped when there's 5 people with similar reasons who all agree to close it.
 
Oh, @tzenes, @fail is currently in-game. He's not responding on Steam either.
Why he's on a Chicago server I have no idea.
 
@Powerlord I totally missed both Humble Indie Bundles.
And now I want to get Revenge of the Titans.
 
lol, if I heal a spy sapping my team's stuff I get an assist for it
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@tzenes tco
 
6:09 PM
I love the fact Portal 2 only costs € 27,45 if you buy the two-pack through the UK.
 
@failbadp That's so incredibly passive aggressive D:
 
Bob
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Q: TF2 - What spy knife?

NottinylilI really want to know what a good spy knife is. The normal knife gives you all your health, disguise kit, and backstabby goodness and all, but YEH (Your Eternal Reward) is perfect for blending in. And I haven't found a use for the Conniver's Kunai, but I will include that too. What knife. What s...

 
@ArdaXi is that cheaper?
 
@RonanForman Than €44,99? Just a bit.
;-)
 
@ArdaXi what?!?
 
6:12 PM
@RonanForman I think buying two for the price of one with the deal is what he's getting at?
 
@SadlyNot That deal is €40 per copy in the netherlands
 
I've donned my fingerless gloves
 
Uh oh.
 
@ArdaXi Oh geez.
 
they're so my hands aren't ed by the cold
 
6:17 PM
@Bob I'm so going to write an answer to this when I get home, even if it isn't for another 2.5 hours.
@failbadp You get an assist if you heal a Spy who backstabs your teammates, too.
Which is especially funny with the YER, since they don't undisguise. :D
 
@Powerlord Have they added new spy achievements? Or do you have to earn the YER over time?
 
@SadlyNot YER has to be gotten through random drops or crafted via its recipe.
 
@Powerlord D:
 
or traded from someone... I saw @Arda has two.
 
I got a YER through a random drop today.
 
6:21 PM
Ohhhh, I'd love to trade.
 
I would, if I had any idea what everything is worth.
 
Dunno
Maybe I could give a class medal or something?
 
So a guy dares me to duel, kills me once then hides in spawn.
 
Or I could just earn my own :)
 
I'll be honest, items aren't worth particularly much.
 
6:23 PM
@ArdaXi You got ed
 
Usually newer ones are worth more, but YER's been out for 6 months now.
 
@SadlyNot What's your Steam commmunity ID?
 
ThinMan I think.
Probably gonna change
To guess what? :P
 
Try logging in on optf2.com
 
I'll eventually get bored of a game, behave like a total dick, then trash the reputation for my name and require another change lol.
 
6:25 PM
The backpack for ThinMan is completely empty, so I'm assuming that isn't you.
 
The steam username is the email right?
 
No.
 
I'm slightly on the unconfortable side posting that anywhere, given account hacks.
really? damn.
 
@SadlyNot Click here
 
@SadlyNot Steam Community ID and login name are different anyway. My steam login is old enough that it is an email address, but my Community ID is powerlord
 
6:26 PM
After logging in through that link, you'll be forwarded to your own backpack. Send me that link?
 
Uh-oh
I seem to not be able to log in.
 
Gah... Steam has login, display name, and community ID. TOO MANY THINGS
 
Damn saved passwords...
@Powerlord I know. And for a short time it didn't search based on display name. Annoying.
 
yeah, it's a mess.
 
My login name is an old email address I never use any more, my community id is powerlord, and my display name is Powerlord.
 
6:29 PM
Yay second double item drop
 
Used to be Powerlord [Sucky connection] but my ISP seems to be sucking in a more consistent way now.
 
my login name isn't an email address, I don't know if it ever was
 
Now it's just bad ping rather than random upstream drops.
 
my steamid is adversity, and my display name is probably Brant
wait no, it's also Adversity
 
@Brant You can't change your login name.
Only the other two.
 
@SadlyNot Oh, so you haven't set a community id in your Steam profile.
 
@Powerlord Ah buh?
 
@SadlyNot Community ID replaces the number with a name.
 
@Bob That seems pretty subjective ...
 
6:31 PM
I have a primeval warrior badge, screw the rest of ya'll. :P
 
@Powerlord Ah.
 
@Brant So does Arda
I don't because I didn't start playing TF2 until March 2008 or so.
 
@Brant Damn.
@Brant Your item set is tiny though lol.
 
You should have seen my item set before I crafted my first two pages away yesterday. Unorganized garbage completed clogged pages 1-2, then it's somewhat structured for the other pages.
 
@Powerlord I threw away so many items because they didn't implement crafting at the time.
I was incredibly pissed.
 
6:34 PM
I've played maybe 2 or 3 hours of TF2 since the spy/sniper update
 
@SadlyNot I thought Crafting was introduced at the same time random drops were.
Maybe not...
I vaguely remember throwing items out, too.
 
So in, how much, 16 hours of game play I already have four dupes and two utterly useless items
 
@Brant A common occurrence with us Primeval Warriors. Battle fatigue.
 
I don't get why they didn't mention it ... or why they capped our page size. They must have known half of us had filled it.
 
@SadlyNot No idea.
Of course, now you can increase your backpack size.
 
6:36 PM
@Arda Aye.
 
...and you'll notice if you look through mine that I've taken advantage of that.
 
@Powerlord via?
 
€4.99
 
@SadlyNot Backpack Expander. It's in the Mann Co. store.
 
@failbadp @Powerlord Ew.
 
6:36 PM
Adds two more pages to your backpack.
 
This is getting a lot like League of Legends lol.
 
@CRoss I de-subjectified it a tad.
 
@SadlyNot So, you still interested in yer?
 
@ArdaXi Maybe. Let me play for 6 hours and if I have no luck then I will consider.
I have a rather large collection of items atm that I'm very attached to lol
 
Duplicates too?
Because I really need a Huntsman
 
6:38 PM
@ArdaXi Huntsman you can get through Sniper achievements.
 
@ArdaXi But mine is vintage! :D
 
@Powerlord I know, but I already have mine.
 
and since the one you get through achievements isn't tradeable...
 
Also, level 52. Which will mean something some day.
 
You have a level 10 too.
 
6:39 PM
@ArdaXi Oh, I guess I should have looked.
 
And a remarkable level 82 jar of piss
 
what is level on items?
 
btw, you can now see all crafting recipes in game.
 
@CRoss Just randomly generated values. Doesn't mean anything.
 
@Powerlord Didn't I tell you I had 100% of my achievements?
 
6:40 PM
@CRoss For a time, item drops had random levels. Valve claimed it was a mistake and any dropped after the Soldier/Demo update now have fixed levels.
@ArdaXi Oh right, I forgot you were a cheater.
 
So, @SadlyNot, would you be willing to part with the Level 10 Huntsman?
@Powerlord Right.
 
@ArdaXi Probably. Let me see if I get a YER first. I'm known for getting things I want.
 
series 10 crate, yeey?
 
Just stick a few knifes in someone back and chop some heads off.
 
Hmm, I wonder if I should just reset all my achievements.
 
6:41 PM
I guess you could say I'm (takes glasses off) ... ahead of the game.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Reliving 5 years ago I am.
 
@ArdaXi Why?
 
@ArdaXi Good luck getting them all back.
 
@SadlyNot: You must have stopped playing shortly after the Engineer update? I see you have the Engineer weapons, but Ellis's Hat and Frying Pan are waiting to be put into your inventory...
er... some of the Engineer weapons, as I don't see the Wrangler...
 
@Powerlord Wrangler = tons of fun
if your teammates are at all competent
 
@CRoss I still have yet to get the achievement for killing a sentry gun with a wrangled sentry... or helping a sentry gun shielded by a wrangler take >500 damage. :/
I was never completely clear on if the latter referred to your gun or an allies gun or both.
 
6:55 PM
@Powerlord I don't think I've gotten that either, but it doesn't stop it from being fun and effective
 
The biggest problem with the Wrangler is you're a LOT more vulnerable to Spies.
and to a certain extent, Snipers.
but less so to Demos and Heavies (or at least I think so)
Then again, it seems like snipers can headshot you even if you're crouched down behind your gun, so YMMV.
 

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