there is no reason a post on MWP like "why was this flag declined?" would not be a perfectly reasonable and actionable thing. the thing to avoid is asking, "our mods suck, they declined this flag, lets replace them" because if the point of the post is asking for understanding why a flag was declined, then the latter part isn't relevant. if the point is the latter part, the "contact us" box is really the way to approach that as SE actually does monitor that
Reading this convo I'm not convinced that the point is purely the first there, it feels much more of a focus on the second part, which is why I'm not sure this convo is super constructive
It's also beneficial to not assume negative/bad intent initially as conversations are a lot easier that way
I personally like that he brought it up on meta. I've raised enough metas about declined comment flags myself that I won't jump down someone's throat for raising one about one that I declined ;)
@enderland Thats the thing I do not think there is any actual negative intent. But with out seeing if it is multiple mods declining them then its hard to know if that is happening.
@Mithrandir I would not be surprized to find out that I was the most prolific comment flagger on any site other than SO
@IDrinkandIKnowThings the primary reason your comment flags get declined is because comment flags are not offensive weapons within an argument, many times you (presumably... it's actually a major PITA to find who actually flagged comments) flag a series of comments in a back/forth that you have participated in as well and do not remove your comments prior to flagging
Hmm. I'll sometimes delete my comments and then flag the other messages with a 'The comment that this was replying to has been deleted." custom flag reason...
But that's only when I know that all the comments are obsolete/no longer needed ;)
For instance, when pointing out a mistake in an answer.
But trying to get one side of an argument deleted while keeping one side around is... not exactly cool.
And as such, shouldn't be in such a cool place as The Water Cooler ;)
@Mithrandir not only that, but bickering in the comments usually drags your answer down, especially if the person trolling you is trying to convince others that you're a jerk.
I know just a teensy tiny bit about trolling myself.
@enderland I always clean up my comments. It should never be acceptable for anyone to get rude in comments. If I was rude then i expect to have my comments removed as well.
@DarkCygnus It was true, if the interviewer was a gamer, he would have reacted far worse than I did. But I think that burning the resume and using the ashes to fertilize poison ivy made the point.
@IDrinkandIKnowThings perhaps, there's a lot of context necessary for that though -- "I think that you are missing X from this answer" is fine. "I think you are an idiot" (or the many variants people like to create) is obviously not
@TheSnarkKnight I do not have a problem with questioning motive. It is when they decide they are going to characterize my complaint/concern as just being a personal problem that I dislike. I always explain why something is an issue.
@enderland I get alot of declines for commetns that get deleted anyway... that really irratates me
Most of the comments I flag that get declined I am not involved in anyway. I just see the disaster and flag it because it has become(often never was) less than constructive.
Personally get rid of the rep penalty. When you get a rude or abusive flag accepted you should get a comment ban on all of SE for X days where X = the number of r&A flags that have been accepted for you Site wide.
So if you go to other sites to troll you still get hit in your home.
@Mithrandir I can make an arguement for that being a violation of Be Nice btw
imo there's a time and a place for choosing to make light of someone's word choices and in the middle of a fairly serious conversation isn't really that place
I say this as someone who works for a company where you get trolled with (alot) emoticons if you say that, too... so it's not something I personally find problematic in most contexts
@Mithrandir sure, but the way you did so was not clearly doing that vs just mockery
@IDrinkandIKnowThings For what is's worth your comments are almost always useful to me. I may not always agree with them, but still appreciate them most of the time.
I have a serious problem with what appears to be the game some people play of trying to play on the edge of "Be Nice" I do not think you did it maliciously but my aspbergers crys out that you were :p
> If you've seen or heard the phrase "Dilly Dilly" at your local pub or on social media in the last few weeks, you can thank Bud Light for turning the phrase into a cultural phenomenon.
@TheSnarkKnight I want to cut the cord but I live in the middle of nowhere so if I get rid of cable I have internet prices that are basically the same as when i had tv bundled with it
It's fine, I was making my own. I've just spent 4 hours drafting a letter to a CEO of our Back Office platform, explaining that they built 80% of something awesome, and then got distracted with new "modern" capabilities, and forgot to build the other 20%. And the missing 20% is really painful.
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