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5:03 PM

Possible duplicate of Badge suggestion: Unsung Hero (5 accepted answers with no votes) — Peter Mortensen 2 mins ago

Also an official meme. — Peter Mortensen 34 secs ago

Welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Glorfindel 9 secs ago

#338943 Glorfindel (100958 rep) | Q: MPI for Python package loss (score: 0) | posted 1 minutes ago by Tiago Bachiega de Almeida (9 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

What "SOpt"? — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago

#338936 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | Q: Problems and problems about other communities, is there any solution? (score: 2) | posted 3 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (135 rep) | edited 3 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (135 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@JamesReinstateMonicaPolk Yeah it’s Unicode. The union character for example is U+222A — Laurel 1 min ago

#338939 Laurel (21111 rep) | A: How can I write special symbols in a Stack Overflow question? (score: 3) | posted 2 hours ago by Laurel (21111 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I have plenty of answers that were accepted but not upvoted and that I think are excellent answers. The tags I look at don't get much traffic, and the askers are very often new accounts/users and they often don't bother to learn the rules or the ethos of the site. In fact, for the same reasons I also have many answers with zero score, not accepted, and no other answers are present. There are plenty of help vampires out there who simply take an answer and go away, never to return. — James Reinstate Monica Polk 1 min ago

The answer here says about the same as balpha's answer in the linked question; mchen's answer provides a way to use LaTeX commands on Stack Overflow. — Glorfindel 1 min ago

@PeterMortensen asker profile suggests that it's SO Portuguese — gnat 10 secs ago

#338936 gnat (12659 rep) | Q: Problems and problems about other communities, is there any solution? (score: 1) | posted 3 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (133 rep) | edited 3 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (133 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

There are also some MathJax links on Physics meta — PM 2Ring 34 secs ago

#338939 PM 2Ring (179 rep) | A: How can I write special symbols in a Stack Overflow question? (score: 3) | posted 3 hours ago by Laurel (21111 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Related: Mathematics' absolutely awesome MathJax basic tutorial and quick reference" — Peter Mortensen 2 mins ago

#338939 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | A: How can I write special symbols in a Stack Overflow question? (score: 3) | posted 3 hours ago by Laurel (21111 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Glorfindel - A quick example of how to extract the juice, how it tastes is another question. --- Create categories (EG of one category: rep= 1-99, 100-499, 500-999, etc. -- another: number of up/down to get 0 -- yet another: months of membership. -- etc.). Create a few dozen pigeonholes and choose the most full, use those few pigeonholes to plot one attribute versus another. -- Not that it says anything about "behavior" just what the person in the pigeonhole looks like. Maybe: "less than a year with one down and one up vote" . — Rob 53 secs ago

They could split it into two (knowledge and help desk), also reducing the tension with beginners on the current Stack Overflow. Preferably with a qualitatively very different interface/mechanics/gamification (e.g. with pure help desk content hidden from search engines so it does not pollute the Internet). — Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago

@EricDuminil I don't think I can change anything about what SE Inc. does. I am mainly curious what happens next. And I appreciate to know when to be around for that... — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 16 secs ago

#338860 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11747 rep) | Q: What about that new feedback mechanism? (score: 31) | posted 37 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11747 rep) | edited 3 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11747 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@PeterMortensen Personally that's the direction I think things should go - a more active site for new developers and learning and a second more sedentary site for "canonical knowledge." One of the long term problems that SO has been facing is that given enough time, most of the non-"long tail" questions have been satisfactorily answered (baring new APIs). As such, we would expect the active user base to go down. This evolution of the site is supported in part by all of the "closed as duplicate" questions over the years. — anonymous 1 min ago

The problem is they broke the (implicit) social contract that was in place for the first 11 years (e.g., who is next?). I am sure you can find real-world analogue events where breach of trust had huge consequences for decades for millions of average persons on the street. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago

#338944 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: -1) | posted 27 minutes ago by Steve Sether (99 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The problem is they broke the (implicit) social contract that was in place for the first 11 years (e.g., who is next, and will they really do something like IMDb did to user-generated content?). I am sure you can find real-world analogue events where breach of trust had huge consequences for decades for millions of average persons on the street. — Peter Mortensen 24 secs ago

#338944 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: -1) | posted 31 minutes ago by Steve Sether (99 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@DoubleAA good catch. We will either update that post with new details, or add a prominent link to something new, once we go to a wider release. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 1 min ago

@House is correct. I don't care what it is. I care that SE tease the users and annoy them by keeping it all super secret. Movie trailer at least gives something, but saying "Hey, you'll get a surprise soon but we will never tell you a bit about it before it's alive" is purely annoying. — Shadow The Princess Wizard 1 min ago

@riki481saysReinstateMonica Can you elaborate about these specific problems please. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago

#338936 πάντα ῥεῖ (6602 rep) | Q: Problems about communities for different languages than English, is there any solution? (score: -1) | posted 4 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (129 rep) | edited 23 minutes ago by πάντα ῥεῖ (6602 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/

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5:58 PM

@riki481saysReinstateMonica Are you saying that the Portuguese SO community is having trouble surmounting the language barrier and you would appreciate a bilingual CM? — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 1 min ago

#338936 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4698 rep) | Q: Problems about communities for different languages than English, is there any solution? (score: -1) | posted 4 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (129 rep) | edited 36 minutes ago by πάντα ῥεῖ (6602 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps:

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6:23 PM

A website said they took somebody's super-powers away because she was being transphobic. Depending on what you do for a living and whose radar you become a blip on, that can put your livelihood at risk. That's what the lawsuit is about. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 1 min ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 0) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (109 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@PeterMortensen I don't disagree that SE screwed up. But the reaction to it is just over the top. This is why I categorize this as "outrage culture". 20 grand in donations to a lawsuit? We're not at IMDB yet. But quite honestly, SE is a for-profit company with investors. While I like community, I'm under no illusion this is supposed to exist for public good, like a non-profit, so I don't know there's really any social contract here. — Steve Sether 1 min ago

#338944 Steve Sether (119 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@ShadowThePrincessWizard To me it reads more like the author is excited to share what they are working on and it was supporting a greater point they were trying to make about SE working on things they've previously committed to. I can see why it could come across as annoying, but the author would have no reason to intentionally annoy their audience, IMO. Regardless, complaining to me doesn't really help the situation any since I don't have anything to do with those decisions. — Rubiksmoose 2 mins ago

@rockwalrus-stopharmingMonica ... well, we have two Portuguese-speaking CMs, so I hope that’s not the problem. — Catija ♦ 8 secs ago

#338936 Catija (56379 rep) | Q: is there any solution for problems with communities for languages other than English? (score: -1) | posted 5 hours ago by riki481 says Reinstate Monica (129 rep) | edited 26 minutes ago by rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4698 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Monica reached out to SO, publicly, many times, asking to talk, with no reaction, while the accusations against her remain the #1 result when Googling her name. At which point is it OK in your view to start a lawsuit to try and get that fixed, and for a couple people on Meta to support her in it? — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 1 min ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I wouldn't say that performance is an overriding concern as long as it's not worse than the current performance. I'd worry more about backwards compatibility for all the existing content. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 2 mins ago

#338933 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4698 rep) | Q: Next math renderer MathJax v3 versus KaTeX? (score: 6) | posted 6 hours ago by Sil (161 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

They screwed up but the point is they're not doing anything to fix it, which they very easily could have by retracting the libelous statements and ideally reinstating her, although just doing the former would probably have taken away much of the outrage. You can't expect people to just shut up and get back to business as usual when the party who holds all the power is doing nothing to correct its mistakes, and it wouldn't really be the morally correct course of action either. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 2 mins ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@PekkasupportsGoFundMonica Please tone down your language. The way you're communicating is exactly the problem with internet culture. It's all outrage, and all emotions. We need a lot less of that in the world today, it's doing far more harm than good. The point of my post is a (likely pointless) attempt at trying to provide some sort of perspective here. I'm sure it'll all do no good, and everyone will bring their torches no matter what I say. — Steve Sether 1 min ago

#338944 Steve Sether (119 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The point of my post is a [...] attempt at trying to provide some sort of perspective here so is mine :) and if the tone in my last comment came across as overly agressive I apologize. I think the outrage is because many of us do feel there is a social contract that was broken, for one because we were explicitly told so for years, and for another because being an invested contributor in a SE site requires a much greater altruistic impulse than, say, Facebook. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica just now

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Facebook don't care about me and will inflict whatever features it wants on me; that's a given. But I'm a consumer there. Not so much here - people here donate slices of their very well-paid time in order to - at the risk of sounding hyperbolic - build something that is of some greater good to the world. The profit motive was always a given but there was a huge implied promise that it would be balanced out with the interests of that greater good — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 47 secs ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The fact this had to be pulled a few days before the release doesn't bode well. This change must have been discussed extensively at senior executive level. Last minute refinements, in particular just before the weekend, and not to forgot Thanks Giving suggest there were serious flaws in the original implementation. The flaws were at least serious enough to pull the release and the SE development team must be working throughout the weekend to get this delivered. — Alex 40 secs ago

#338864 Alex (846 rep) | A: What about that new feedback mechanism? (score: 32) | posted 36 hours ago by Catija (56379 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I agree with you, Steve, that there could be a lot less posted on Meta about this whole affair and still everything relevant would have been said thrice over, but that's large uncoordinated groups of people for ya. No way to stop everyone from having their say without being unfair. But I do think SE has taken a course (probably for a long time already) that I don't want to support with my time and energy any more, and I think no one else should either unless they're getting paid. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 2 mins ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (127 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Simply, SE management is acting like a cowardly bully. Getting their feelings hurt, impulsively punishing Monica, lying about her in a VERY public and VERY serious way, pretending to apologize, and then refusing to actually fix any part of the problem. THAT's the problematic behavior on display, and it should (and has) been roundly condemned. — Ask About Monica 3 mins ago

#338944 Ask About Monica (339 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by Steve Sether (127 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Alex For context, the entire company was at a meetup Sunday-Wednesday. This is more a reflection of needing time for refinement after such a full and exhausting week. — Catija ♦ 22 secs ago

#338864 Catija (56379 rep) | A: What about that new feedback mechanism? (score: 32) | posted 36 hours ago by Catija (56379 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Now f you think that is all outrage, and all emotions, then that's your right. But consider that participating here and sharing knowledge isn't a rational decision in the first place. Any reasonable person looking to further their life and career will STFU, use Stack Overflow et al. to gain knowledge and ask questions, and otherwise do paid work rather than edit other people's questions or work through flag queues. Or argue on Meta, for that matter. 😁 — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 53 secs ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 1) | posted 2 hours ago by Steve Sether (127 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

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7:29 PM

Catija, I believe your company wants to focus more on enterprise products. Delaying a community release without any form announcement is fair enough However, this becomes a different matter if you start having paying customers. Senior SE management should ask themselves if they could have reasonably known this feature couldn't be delivered in time taking into account the entire company was in a four day meet up. Senior management should also ask themselves if they should have announced this delay given it was announced with great fanfare. — Alex 2 mins ago

#338864 Alex (846 rep) | A: What about that new feedback mechanism? (score: 32) | posted 36 hours ago by Catija (56379 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@πάνταῥεῖ I should have recognized that from the pre-twentieth century spelling, but calling me a beginner at Greek would be kind. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 12 secs ago

Given the recent trust issues between the community and SE it is also an unfortunate choice to release this change just before ThanksGiving when most of the USA user base will be far less active on this site. Politicians often announce bad news before a major holiday and the cynic in me suggests that SE is trying to do the same. — Alex 1 min ago

#338864 Alex (846 rep) | A: What about that new feedback mechanism? (score: 32) | posted 36 hours ago by Catija (56379 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

This thread also highlights what's wrong with any sort of discussion with anything remotely "political". People use downvotes as "-1 disagree". Why that may be OK on a topic that's factual and has evidence that someone can find "truth" from, it completely fails on political topics. I think this is what fans the flames of partisanship and increased polarization. We should try to resist that! This is supposed to be a site where people come together to learn. It seems we've gone to exactly the opposite here. That sort of polarization and factionalism is what destroys community. — Steve Sether 2 mins ago

#338944 Steve Sether (125 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 0) | posted 2 hours ago by Steve Sether (125 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@rock It's just a bit of an attitude of mine ;-) — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 mins ago

Yes, the Q&A format with votes is not a good fit for a meta site. — Peter Mortensen 2 mins ago

#338944 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 0) | posted 2 hours ago by Steve Sether (125 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Why was the title edited with a weird font? — SurpriseDog 8 secs ago

Could you link to each comment? Also could you indicate the changes you've made to all the quotes. — Peilonrayz 12 secs ago

Re "intranet restrictions": Don't you mean "Internet restrictions"? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago

#338946 Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | Q: Proper SE site to ask about how to bypass Iran's intranet restrictions for Google access (score: 1) | posted 32 minutes ago by obrian.rafuel4iiron.us (21 rep) | edited 2 minutes ago by Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

8:03 PM

Replacing places like Meta with all its problems with a Discourse instance would be a really good idea. They're putting so much thoughtful work in encouraging constructive, well, discourse in the product. For example, they place a lot of value on reading. You earn Discourse's equivalent of reputation points by hanging out and getting to know what other people are saying. That's fantastic. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica 2 mins ago

#338944 Pekka supports GoFundMonica (98455 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 0) | posted 2 hours ago by Steve Sether (133 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Yes, that's spectacular. All of this was (supposedly) in the name of a worthwhile effort to ensure users didn't have to justify, explain or defend their gender (which happened quite often on chat, but very rarely elsewhere). Then after all this, a staff member sees a user's account with a request to please just use their name (not uncommon I believe among people trying to figure out their identity), and just clumsily deletes it from the user's profile, assuming it's invalid trolling, forcing that user to explain and defend exactly what this was all supposed to guarantee would be respected. — user56reinstatemonica8 1 min ago

#338913 user56reinstatemonica8 (6393 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 3) | posted 17 hours ago by LindaJeanne (775 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Proves to me beyond any doubt that this was never motivated by any care for LGBT+ users, many of whom have explained in detail how the situation is much worse now; and was always merely about one or two individual members of staff exploiting the name of inclusivity to get their own back on some individual users who they never forgave for daring to disagree with them. — user56reinstatemonica8 48 secs ago

#338913 user56reinstatemonica8 (6393 rep) | A: Are we witnessing the demise of "community"? (score: 4) | posted 17 hours ago by LindaJeanne (785 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

8:26 PM

I got it on Ask Ubuntu, mainly I think by answering a lot of new Ubuntu people's questions; people who are too new to know to upvote. — Organic Marble 2 mins ago

#338928 Organic Marble (273 rep) | A: How does "Unsung Hero" encourage positive behavior? (score: 13) | posted 11 hours ago by Glorfindel (100958 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

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8:48 PM

@Peilonrayz every quotation has its link, in blue and underlined. The quotations are unchanged, where some words are omitted I have shown with ellipses e.g. […] — Mari-Lou A 2 mins ago

The quotes have clearly been changed from the source. I shan't submit to it. compared to your “[I shan't submit to it.][18]” . — Peilonrayz 11 secs ago

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10:07 PM

All that happened here when you stayed the course had nothing to do with "growth"; it had to do with you working within the system. A brand new user is faced with a system of pedantic complaints, and pile-on down voting from folks I'm convinced just roam around to pretend they're on the high road. This disease is why I left SO and moved onto the other SE sites for software, where things had not yet descended. — tgm1024 20 secs ago

@Peilonrayz It's the last sentence. I copied and pasted it from the source, so I don't know what's the problem. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

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10:27 PM

Even with the explicit warning, the list formatting really makes it look like the cited author is quoting the following text, not the preceding text. It doesn't help that (maybe this is just my browser?) the markdown renders with a significantly larger gap above than below the citation. — goldPseudo 39 secs ago

Atrocious anti-logic in this "answer". @Inactive-ObjectingExtremism is correct. It's far too easy to rush all the way to the "bigot" (and similar) labels. And it's for the reasons that "racist" is commonly used, because it's nearly impossible to make the statement "I'm not a bigot" without sounding like one. Just because being a bigot often means that you don't realize you're a bigot doesn't mean that denying bigotry defines bigotry. — tgm1024 2 mins ago

@SextusEmpiricus, oh c'mon. Is there a potential win for this pedantic comment? This is the kind of thing that makes substantive discussions ever harder. — tgm1024 1 min ago

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10:53 PM

Move the citations etc above the excerpt ? — Mari-Lou A 18 secs ago

@goldPseudo feel free to edit. Usually the name of the author comes after the quotation. But if I added the dates and nsmes immediately after, the whole text looks like a giant quotation 😟 If there's a better solution, please go ahead. — Mari-Lou A 2 mins ago

Careful here, you're asking a question about the new policy. I infer from your username that you probably know you could be banned and slandered for that. — WBT 21 secs ago

#338909 WBT (5068 rep) | A: Post for clarifications on the updated pronouns FAQ (score: 2) | posted 21 hours ago by bit.ly slash 373WUTm (1169 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Wouldn't it be best to post this on Meta.SO? You're more likely to have a SO moderator see it. — Peilonrayz 29 secs ago

#338948 Peilonrayz (2151 rep) | Q: Flag declined. How is this not a very low quality answer? (score: 1) | posted 8 minutes ago by Jonathan Willcock (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Peilonrayz It's a great showcase of typical content of SE's flagship site. — faintsignal 53 secs ago

#338948 faintsignal (170 rep) | Q: Flag declined. How is this not a very low quality answer? (score: 2) | posted 12 minutes ago by Jonathan Willcock (129 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Peilonrayz Good point. Thank you. Do you know if I can transfer it, or should I simply re-post? — Jonathan Willcock 2 mins ago

#338948 Jonathan Willcock (129 rep) | Q: Flag declined. How is this not a very low quality answer? (score: 2) | posted 16 minutes ago by Jonathan Willcock (129 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

11:28 PM

@Mari-LouA I've suggested an edit which consistently formats the authors within the blockquote; this should alleviate any confusion. — goldPseudo 2 mins ago