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7:02 PM

Just highlighting the infeasibility of trying to implement such a feature. :) — fbueckert 2 mins ago

#338822 fbueckert (10707 rep) | A: Do you think banning for people not upvoting your question should be a thing? (score: 7) | posted 21 minutes ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Hi Irsyad Kelanss, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 30 secs ago

#338828 πάντα ῥεῖ (6563 rep) | Q: Exchange points into voucher with while loop (score: -1) | posted 2 minutes ago by Irsyad Kelanss (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

And? They don't have to. How is that a problem? Asking questions is a privilege, not a right. — fbueckert 1 min ago

@fbueckert I can guarantee you that most of this community doesn't upvote questions even if they're good. If you don't trust me just take a look at the main page — Synapsis 2 mins ago

So please explain me why with all "neutral" questions and 1 downvoted questions (that probably someone randomly gave) I deserve a ban. Give me at least 1 good motivation. — Synapsis 33 secs ago

#338822 Synapsis (77 rep) | A: Do you think banning for people not upvoting your question should be a thing? (score: 8) | posted 27 minutes ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@fbueckert ok, but why if I don't get upvotes I get banned? Cause that's clearly what happened to me. All neutral questions apart from one with 1 downvote (randomly given I would say) — Synapsis 14 secs ago

@fbueckert I agree with the "they don't have to" but why do I deserve a ban if they don't tho XD — Synapsis 29 secs ago

Read the link you're given. The system thinks your track record isn't good enough to ask another question. You get multiple warnings that your questions aren't being well received; it's a good idea to really make your questions count. — fbueckert 48 secs ago

@Synapsis Deleted questions. You are certain to have some of those with negative scores. Ask a moderator on SO to give you the links. — yivi 39 secs ago

#338822 yivi (1142 rep) | A: Do you think banning for people not upvoting your question should be a thing? (score: 8) | posted 31 minutes ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I think your missing the part where I say "NONE OF MY QUESTIONS ARE BAD THEY ARE ALL NEUTRAL" HOW ARE THEY BAD — Synapsis 57 secs ago

You know how to get out of the ban; the info is all there for you. I'd suggest reading it and taking it to heart. — fbueckert 16 secs ago

@Synapsis Have you checked your deleted questions? Including the ones which are more than 60 days old - you can find them with this trick. — Glorfindel 29 secs ago

#338822 Glorfindel (100522 rep) | A: Do you think banning for people not upvoting your question should be a thing? (score: 8) | posted 32 minutes ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I just want to have a decent answer not a "look at the rules" answer. Rules were just stupid this time... I don't deserve a ban just because no one upvoted my questions — Synapsis 1 min ago

Again, as previously mentioned, you have deleted questions with negative scores. Ask on meta.stackoverflow.com and a moderator can give you the links, so you can try to fix them and undelete them (if it's possible to improve them at all). — yivi 45 secs ago

Thank you for your response. Without a link to the review or even a stock "close reason" the poster is left in the dark. Regarding your last paragraph, you're being overly literal. The company is treating Monica atrociously, like a tool that they no longer find useful, not as a human being. — faintsignal 11 secs ago

Thank you. Yes, even something as brief as "not an answer" would go a long way. — faintsignal 14 secs ago

#338829 faintsignal (109 rep) | A: Can my answer about current events be undeleted? (score: 1) | posted 16 minutes ago by yagmoth555 - GoFoundMe Monica (3475 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Just in case ... you downvote my answer because I complained about SE Inc ... I missed your first bullet point. Reworked my answer to not complain about our hosts, albeit I stand with my assumption: I dont think that SE Inc. at this point, has much interest in fostering the meta communities. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 37 secs ago

#338806 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11409 rep) | Q: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 8) | posted 3 hours ago by rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4432 rep) | edited 2 hours ago by Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I have deleted one question so far (checked the deleted post)... does that result in a ban? -.- — Synapsis 16 secs ago

I have deleted one question so far (checked the deleted post)... does that result in a ban? -.- — Synapsis 51 secs ago

#338822 Synapsis (77 rep) | A: Do you think banning for people not upvoting your question should be a thing? (score: 8) | posted 40 minutes ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

What they're trying to tell you is you need to at the very least do a bit of research and make a few attempts at solving your problem. They provided a link to a very popular question (two in fact) that should help you get started. — Kevin B 59 secs ago

#338833 Kevin B (1934 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -6) | posted 4 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Err ... typo: "in case ... you downvoteed my answer" . — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago

For the record, I agree that Monica was treated in an extremely poor way. That doesn't mean we can break all rules on Meta :) — Glorfindel 2 mins ago

Probably, but it seems given some other "not-an-answer" answers remain intact, it seems an arbitrary process. Maybe we look the other way for higher rep users. — faintsignal 2 mins ago

#338832 faintsignal (109 rep) | A: Can my answer about current events be undeleted? (score: 1) | posted 8 minutes ago by bobobobo (12708 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

"Same guy as before first downvotes it," How do you know? It seems you're simply not meeting the quality policies at the site you posted. It's not about helping you, but posting quality content, that would be useful for future research of anybody. — πάντα ῥεῖ 48 secs ago

#338833 πάντα ῥεῖ (6563 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -8) | posted 6 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

And btw, nice example: the question asks "what can we do to improve X". I ist various ideas to improve X. Next: downvote. Me baffled "err, now what is there to disagree with?" ... If I were a newbie, I might as well just turn around, walk back, and never come back. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 59 secs ago

#338821 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11409 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: -1) | posted 47 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11409 rep) | edited 11 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11409 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/f

They precede emojis by many, many years: theasciicode.com.ar/extended-ascii-code/… — Glorfindel 2 mins ago

#338825 Glorfindel (100522 rep) | A: Weird boxes in question title and body (score: 1) | posted 41 minutes ago by customcommander (444 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Lol. There are hundreds of questions on regex like mine. And the reason people asking is that regex that should achieve something beside the mainstream activities ARE difficult, even after reading a manual. It's ridiculous to assume I haven't read the manual or other questions, when I (1) state that I have read other questions and answers before, and (2) add the specific regex SO tags to my question, that I could only add, if I know already more than the basic things about regExp. — John 50 secs ago

#338833 John (1 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -12) | posted 15 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@fbueckert I've seen similar "not actual answers" flourish on meta. I can accept "not an answer" as a reason, I don't know why answer deletions do not (always?) provide a close reason, that would go a long way. Regarding support/complicity, I implied the tendency (on average) is likely stronger, which basically comes down to math. — faintsignal 1 min ago

Just to pour some more vinegar down your throats: I actually had the same task a few years ago, and solved it. I just have all that on my old computer, buried in some terabyte. And of course I can't remember, else I wouldn't ask. - But still I wonder why people can't read. — John 29 secs ago

#338833 John (1 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -12) | posted 20 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

So you do admit that Monica exists? (Plagiarizing my deleted answer.) — faintsignal 47 secs ago

You had a knowledgable user point you to a guide with good tips for regular expressions and ask you to edit your question to show what you have tried that isn't working so that they could help you solve your problem. Instead of accepting the help that was offered, you made a dupe of your question with no additional details and then came to complain on meta and directly insult the person who was trying to help you. — Rainbacon 30 secs ago

#338833 Rainbacon (993 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -12) | posted 28 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Rainbacon "RTFM" is no help. It's a bad joke used by people who are not overheard by their boss and who are not creative enough to come up with something more funny to evade work. - That was about work. - "RTFM" on a volunteer helping website is just a sign of ... whatever. — John 52 secs ago

#338833 John (1 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -12) | posted 32 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Personally I believe it's a bad idea to have deleted that answer. It was not 'hurting' anything by staying around (except pride and ego on the part of any SE person that sees it), and its removal makes things worse. — George Stocker 2 mins ago

#338835 George Stocker (70255 rep) | A: Can my answer about current events be undeleted? (score: -1) | posted 5 minutes ago by George Stocker (70255 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

And btw, nice example to underline my point: the question asks "what can we do to improve X". I list various ideas to improve X. Next: downvote. Me baffled "err, now what is there to disagree with?" ... If I were a newbie, I might just turn around, walk away, and never come back. Just because I have no idea why that input is rejected. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago

#338821 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11429 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 0) | posted 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11429 rep) | edited 27 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11429 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps:

Thanks, George. Probably I should have made it a comment instead of an answer. But there was no harm in letting it slide (as happens for others). I think our (humans) tendency to pedantry can cause us to lose sight of the bigger picture. Once it ended up in a queue, the answer was doomed :) — faintsignal 2 mins ago

#338835 faintsignal (113 rep) | A: Can my answer about current events be undeleted? (score: -1) | posted 13 minutes ago by George Stocker (70263 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The obvious comment here is - you should have posted this on Stackoverflow Meta, but I wouldn't need to comment on that to anyone who'd read the manual. — We are Monica. 13 secs ago

#338833 We are Monica. (565 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -13) | posted 45 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | edited 5 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps

Presumably, they dispute the potential efficacy of all or many of your suggestions. There are a lot of suggestions here. If you'd posted each as a discrete answer, each downvote could provide more meaningful feedback. — I am Monica 1 min ago

#338821 I am Monica (1895 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 2 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@John You're assuming al lot of other users participating these sites, and how tey're acting and why. You probably should 1st go to the help center's and study how to research and ask really good questions, which might help everyone searching in future. — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 mins ago

#338833 πάντα ῥεῖ (6563 rep) | Q: One of the days when people don't read a question, post links to hundred pages manuals, follow through SO & downvote or close your questions. But why? (score: -14) | posted 49 minutes ago by John (1 rep) | edited 9 minutes ago by [John](meta.stackexchange.com

@IamMonica Well: when every user would do that, you might quickly see 20, 30, 50 answers. Which is definitely something that many users here would consider "problematic" to say it nicely. But then: thanks for your comment. Your point is reasonable, I only disagree about the proposed solution. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago

#338821 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 6 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0

meta-stalker

8:26 PM

Your silence is noted. Whenever I have asked a question about posts that suggest you support a user, you suddenly become silent. See my answer deleted by Shog9 when I asked if the answer was inappropriate or not. That comment got deleted. I guess I had better get my hands dirtied. Hoping that your rep and your experience on MSE would carry some influence and persuade the mods here to be less authoritarian was futile. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

#338658 Mari-Lou A (14046 rep) | A: Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events? What can Stack Exchange learn from it? (score: 62) | posted 2 days ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Reading your answer, I am really baffled about the downvote you got, too. As I wrote on my answer: such votes sure do not help to motivate new users to further contribute. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago

#338810 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: -1) | posted 3 hours ago by yivi (1162 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

To be honest, meta was created to remove discussion about the software itself from main posts. Advertising it on main really defeats the purpose. Discussing the way the software works on main posts also defeats the purpose of having meta. If you are suggesting users have their meta discussions in place, on main posts, then meta serves no purpose. Constantly mentioning meta is a plague on the main sites, and the abundance of canned commentary only serves to cause more problems than it creates. — Travis J 51 secs ago

#338821 Travis J (28017 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 27 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Mari-LouA I get many pings a day, and Stack Exchange isn't the only thing that keeps me busy. I can see why moderators have repeatedly closed this question (even though I've voted to reopen) - it's a very interesting read, but a broad question soliciting mostly opinions, not necessarily facts. — Glorfindel 1 min ago

#338658 Glorfindel (100522 rep) | A: Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events? What can Stack Exchange learn from it? (score: 62) | posted 2 days ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I know you cast a vote to reopen, which is why I didn't ask that you to cast your vote. I will post the request myself. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

#338658 Mari-Lou A (14056 rep) | A: Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events? What can Stack Exchange learn from it? (score: 62) | posted 2 days ago by Glorfindel (100522 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@TravisJ Sorry, then I was unclear. When you observe people having a discussion on main that belongs on meta, why not put down one link to end that discussion in the wrong place? Of course meta should only be mentioned when it makes sense. Because the audience is doing meta like stuff in a non meta place. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 28 secs ago

#338821 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 32 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps:

meta-stalker

9:01 PM

Isn't that in the tour? — rene 32 secs ago

#338838 rene (54263 rep) | Q: Description of Stack Exchange Beta site removed after joining a site (score: 0) | posted 3 minutes ago by DevelopingDeveloper (100 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica - The problem with that, is I see meta commentary on almost every post, mostly to the question asker. I don't really feel like needing to drop a meta link on each place I visit, and would much prefer that users simply stop placing canned comments on main posts at all. The outlook has been for years to actually engage with users directly, on specific ways actions that will improve the post, as opposed to vague "complete all the things in this checklist" links. Dropping a meta link to that effect, aimed at the canned comment, surely turns into debate in comments. — Travis J 1 min ago

#338821 Travis J (28017 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 2 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 54 minutes ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@rene Is the tour accessible other than knowing the endpoint "/tour"? — DevelopingDeveloper 17 secs ago

#338838 DevelopingDeveloper (100 rep) | Q: Description of Stack Exchange Beta site removed after joining a site (score: 0) | posted 7 minutes ago by DevelopingDeveloper (100 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The monthly posts could maybe be advertised on these nice banners popping up now and then. That would surely create attention. — Trilarion 52 secs ago

#338827 Trilarion (3671 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 6) | posted 2 hours ago by yagmoth555 - GoFoundMe Monica (3543 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog I think it was locked for other reasons. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

#338839 Mari-Lou A (14072 rep) | Q: Please unlock “Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events?” (score: 0) | posted 5 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14072 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

One reason a post may be locked is if it is subject to a repeated close or delete war, so I think the lock here is valid. — Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog 2 mins ago

#338839 Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog (34048 rep) | Q: Please unlock “Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events?” (score: 0) | posted 5 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14072 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@IamMonica Yes, I agree. But that is not the way to attract more "high value users" to MSE. I propose that the company just changes course in this regard. That would definitely be a new thing, wouldn't it? — Trilarion 2 mins ago

#338808 Trilarion (3671 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 3) | posted 4 hours ago by Trilarion (3671 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@TravisJ Sure, I agree with that sentiment, posting such links should follow a distinct purpose, not a blind "here are 100 answers that maybe address the issue". When a newbie writes a low quality post, then you explain what's wrong about it. Meta links are for those situations when people keep arguing on why a post is problematic or what to do about that. I will rework my answer tomorrow to be more clear about this. Over and out for now. — GhostCat says Reinstate Monica 3 mins ago

#338821 GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 2 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | edited 1 hours ago by GhostCat says Reinstate Monica (11439 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@SonictheReinstateMonicaHog this post might be a good place to resolve disputes about the Fram ban post's content, as suggested in the lock message. — De Novo supports GoFundMonica 16 secs ago

#338839 De Novo supports GoFundMonica (2946 rep) | Q: Please unlock “Does the Fram's ban on Wikipedia seem similar to recent events?” (score: 3) | posted 9 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14102 rep) | edited 3 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14102 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Hmmm, MSO consists of ~50% questions of type "why was my programming question closed". Would that really be interesting for anyone else? Or who would be interested in the big Programmers-renaming discussion of 2015-2018? On the other hand, if we follow the "fragmentation is bad" idea, why do we have 100s of on-topic communities, many of them very small? "Data Science" is mostly only statistics. Veganism could be part of Seasoned Advice as well as Beer Wine and Spirits, Quantum computing, Bioinformatics, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Astrophysics and Space Exploration could just be Science... — Trilarion 1 min ago

#338840 Trilarion (3671 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 14 minutes ago by Travis J (28027 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@House-'ReinstateMonica'-man good question, I wasn't sure myself. Am I supposed to go to chat? — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

How does Journeyman Geek♦ want us to "work this out"? In a meta-meta question like this? Are we expected to come to a consensus on whether or not the question deserves to exist amongst ourselves? Maybe we could, I dunno, vote on it or something... — House- 'Reinstate Monica' -man 2 mins ago

#338839 House- 'Reinstate Monica' -man (4870 rep) | Q: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 7) | posted 19 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14142 rep) | edited 2 minutes ago by Mari-Lou A (14142 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Mari-LouA Thank you (+1 on that question) - that's the correct way to challenge moderator actions. Comments here should be reserved for improvements to the answer itself :) — Glorfindel 3 mins ago

The network has grown 4 of the 8 years and kind of stagnated for the remaining time, I think. — Trilarion 53 secs ago

#338836 Trilarion (3670 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by PM 2Ring (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Relevant?: "Can we show post lock timers to all users?" - It will be unlocked sometime or you can flag to request it after some time. It gets locked for various reasons, including too many Mod Notifications. Outside of auto-lock it's a discretionary mod/CM power. --- To post an "answer" to Mari-Lou A's question, what you write needs to qualify as a good answer; IE: explain why it ought not to have been locked. Less than that is NAA. — Rob 37 secs ago

@GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica You really still care about downvotes, after so many years and so many questions and answers that you supplied? This really reinforces the argument by Jon Ericson that people are loss-averse. Maybe we should abolish downvotes then. The missing upvotes that people may never get for one reason or another don't seem to bother people when compared to a downvote. — Trilarion 2 mins ago

#338810 Trilarion (3670 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 0) | posted 4 hours ago by yivi (1172 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Those sources are not applicable in this case: both tags don't have a tag wiki. I'm fully aware of how the scripts are supposed to work; it's clear they don't work as documented in this particular case. — Glorfindel 1 min ago

#338844 Glorfindel (100522 rep) | A: Single use tags are not deleted after six months if they were recreated via a rollback (score: 0) | posted 2 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Trilarion Perhaps, but it has grown in the sense that there is a constant influx of new members. OTOH, a huge number of those people just post a single question, and of those that do stick around, only a very small proportion have a desire to participate in site metas or Meta SE. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago

#338836 PM 2Ring (119 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by PM 2Ring (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Trilarion - There is of course some overlap, but consider that MSE already consists of 67% MSO. I really don't find any of the point you make there valid, as this overlap already exists right now today and there is no mention of problem. Meta fragmentation is bad. Site topicality is a different issue not to be confused with the current discussion. I don't find any of your false premise applying to this discussion as a result. — Travis J 2 mins ago

#338840 Travis J (28027 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 24 minutes ago by Travis J (28027 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The remaining question may then be: Do we need MSE? After all, always only a minority will opt-in to these kind of things. It will never be 100% representative. What advantage does it give to the users of the stack exchanges as well as to the company to have MSE? — Trilarion 2 mins ago

#338837 Trilarion (3670 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 3) | posted 1 hours ago by Makoto (26318 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

There has been a constant influx as well as a constant outflux. If anything the composition of the community is changing all the time, every day and every minute. I think that the total number of active users is somewhat stagnating though for quite some time. See for example: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1145323/… (for SO) — Trilarion 48 secs ago

#338836 Trilarion (3670 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 1 hours ago by PM 2Ring (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

The system creates the wiki immediately so that the suggested edit has something to be attached. Since the tag does "have" a wiki, it is not eligible for auto-pruning. — New Member 6 secs ago

I wanted to rephrase the information the best way I could understand. So I got it re written.. — New Member 1 min ago

@Trilarion: It does provide value in the sense that there are a minority of users who do more than just ask questions or answer questions, and that is a population which shouldn't be overlooked. How that actually translates to actionable things - well, I'm not sure on that... — Makoto 1 min ago

#338837 Makoto (26318 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 3) | posted 1 hours ago by Makoto (26318 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Trilarion Thanks for doing that query. True, the number of active users does appear to be fairly stagnant. And then there's the huge number of people who use the sites via a search engine & don't bother to register, or who are members but don't bother logging in when doing a search engine lookup. I assume that most of those people are happy to just use the network, and have little desire to become involved in meta issues. — PM 2Ring 34 secs ago

#338836 PM 2Ring (119 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 2 hours ago by PM 2Ring (119 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

10:09 PM

I can't reproduce this. Right now, if I go to the HNQ, page two, I get 50 results, the second half of the 100-item list. Can you give some system information and check whether you have any add-ons or scripts that may be messing this up? — Catija ♦ 48 secs ago

#338843 Catija (56128 rep) | Q: pagesize attribute ignored in hot network list (score: 0) | posted 42 minutes ago by Marlon (11 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

You began with "Let's be objective, then", and then gave a bunch of subjective reasons for justifying the closure/lock — House- 'Reinstate Monica' -man 14 secs ago

#338845 House- 'Reinstate Monica' -man (4870 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 1) | posted 9 minutes ago by Makoto (26336 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@FrédéricHamidi For you: meta.stackexchange.com/a/338846/628364 — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 1 min ago

#338806 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4468 rep) | Q: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 9) | posted 6 hours ago by rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4468 rep) | edited 5 hours ago by Peter Mortensen (6315 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@KevinB Data has its place and can be very useful. Feedback has its place and can be very useful. It takes a lot of wisdom to know when each is most valuable and when to ignore each even when they seem to say what one is predisposed to believe already. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 1 min ago

That brings up an interesting point. Handling overlap between sites isn't just a Meta problem. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 46 secs ago

#338840 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4466 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 1 hours ago by Travis J (28037 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

You say that the discussion (which your link suggests several matters, e.g. the loss of a person's moderating privileges, the resulting resignation of several moderators, the reaction of the community, the updated CoC, the (bungled) apologies by SE management, the recommendations about pronouns usage, the fear of being singled out and being made unwelcomed, the utter and complete lack of communication between a former volunteer moderator and her bosses... how can you claim it "has been thoroughly covered by now?" It has not. It has, largely, been a one-sided discussion. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

#338845 Mari-Lou A (14198 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 1) | posted 30 minutes ago by Makoto (26382 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Mari-LouA: This is why I believe it's been thoroughly covered. One side wants to continue the conversation. The other side doesn't (or can't, because of Legal). Saying nothing in a conversation is still holding a conversation; the phrase "silence speaks volumes" comes through on this one. Not being satisfied that you're not getting the conversation you want is not the same thing as not having a conversation. But it still has been quite thoroughly and quite extensively covered. — Makoto 1 min ago

#338845 Makoto (26388 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 39 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@House-'ReinstateMonica'-man: My subjective take on it is to try to find value in the discussion. What are we discussing that hasn't already been discussed? Is the focus of the question the ban on Wikipedia (which requires knowledge into their politics), the Monica situation (which we know isn't going to get an official response per Legal), or something else? The question posed itself isn't clear on that. — Makoto 23 secs ago

#338845 Makoto (26388 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 40 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Trilarion: It's kind of ironic that you wrote "as you like to call them." :) I was searching for words that would allow readers to fill in their own values for the kinds of people they want to be here. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 26 secs ago

#338808 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4482 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 3) | posted 6 hours ago by Trilarion (3678 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@House-'ReinstateMonica'-man: I stayed objective with my first paragraph. The facts are clear - the community is split on what to do with this question, and I do believe that a lock on the post is sufficient to give everyone a chance to cool off and really evaluate what's going on. — Makoto 34 secs ago

#338845 Makoto (26388 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 41 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Saying nothing in a conversation is still holding a conversation So, we should just forget about it because the other side is unwilling to talk? That is usually the signal that the partner willing to talk, listen and compromise will give up and walk away. Exactly what is happening on SE, the best users will stop caring, stop participating, stop moderating. SE will continue to have newer and newer partners (i.e. “contributors“) but they'll never match up with the original ones. — Mari-Lou A 46 secs ago

#338845 Mari-Lou A (14200 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 45 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Mari-LouA: I never implied that you should "forget" about it. I'm only looking at the constructive value of this question in this context. Is the question talking about Wikipedia? Is it trying to discuss Monica again? (Again, we know that Stack Exchange isn't going to issue an official statement on that, so I very much question why one is trying to bother.) If it's discussing, Wikipedia's policies and politics, why should I care? Convince me. I'm willing to be convinced. — Makoto 15 secs ago

#338845 Makoto (26388 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 49 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@rockwalrus-stopharmingMonica I don't think that it is a good idea to allow total arbitrariness there. If you are not specific with your question, it might become unclear or too broad. If the answers depend on the definition of "high value user", it might also be opinion based. Typically all those traits don't make good questions. There could be an exception of course. — Trilarion 1 min ago

#338808 Trilarion (3678 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 3) | posted 6 hours ago by Trilarion (3678 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

"One of my pet interests is how user interfaces affect the culture on web sites, and vice-versa." In that case communitybuilding.stackexchange.com might be something for you. — Trilarion 18 secs ago

#338846 Trilarion (3678 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 1) | posted 38 minutes ago by rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4480 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

My post is asking for users' opinions. It is asking that the question to be unlocked. Rebecca's Q was hardly controversial. My post is also asking what happened to the three reopen votes that were cast. Does locking a question mean those votes are hidden or deleted? J.Geek left a comment, I waited several hours to see what would happen. I took the plunge because I think it's a good question. It's interesting, well presented, formatted, and researched. And it's on-topic, it is not only about Wikipedia. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago

#338845 Mari-Lou A (14200 rep) | A: Please unlock “Fram's ban on Wikipedia…What can Stack Exchange learn from it?” (score: 0) | posted 57 minutes ago by Makoto (26388 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Trilarion: That's a risk. I actually did originally have a more specific criteria originally, but I changed it before submitting because it wasn't an important detail and I could imagine the conversation turning in the direction of "that's not a good indicator of who should be involved in Meta." While "What is a good indicator of someone who should be involved in Meta?" is an interesting question, it's not the one I wanted to ask. Besides, no one wants to brainstorm how to encourage people they don't want to participate to participate. — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 2 mins ago

1 290 302 is pretty ugly to me. — zixuan 16 secs ago

@Trilarion You're absolutely right about that! — rockwalrus-stop harming Monica 33 secs ago

#338846 rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4482 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 46 minutes ago by rockwalrus-stop harming Monica (4482 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

11:15 PM

...The last but not the least, difficulty communicating network-wide matters looks purely imagined. I actively check about handful per site metas and never seen any serious trouble in that. Site moderators seem to handle this just fine, with additional benefit of enriching passed information with site-specific flavor when needed — gnat 1 min ago

#338840 gnat (12712 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

...Second, it would be mighty inconvenient for folks willing to discuss subtleties of specific sites topics and cultures mixed with these of 170 other, usually vastly different sites. One site to discuss custom close reasons at Worldbuilding, SO, and Math.SE, gimme a break. Tags just can't manage that, it was evident prior to MSE-MSO split... — gnat 2 mins ago

#338840 gnat (12712 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

this looks wrong on so many accounts... First, that idea that MSE has too few questions coming out of thin air. 3k questions suffice for main sites to graduate and MSE has easily passed that after the split (I could argue that this criteria would be too strict for meta, but since it is met, whatever)... — gnat 2 mins ago

#338840 gnat (12712 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@gnat - I am not disputing the need for meta though, I am disputing that it needs to be in so many places. I do agree that there is enough material for a meta to exist and am not saying we should remove MSE. — Travis J 10 secs ago

#338840 Travis J (28045 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@gnat - I am not sure how you missed all of the recent trouble that brewed up from individual metas, to MSE, and then back down across the entire exchange. However, that has happened, repeatedly. The issue is that it is very hard to see coming when everything is so spread out. — Travis J 1 min ago

#338840 Travis J (28045 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@gnat - Tags do not prevent the mixing of cultures, its true. However, allowing the separate sites to fester is clearly far worse as is extremely evident post split. Merging doesn't have to solve all of the issues, it only needs to make more progress than currently exists. In this case, I believe it would be significant progress. — Travis J 2 mins ago

#338840 Travis J (28045 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

meta-stalker

11:45 PM

Possible duplicate of Can users with less reputation be allowed to chat? — gnat 1 min ago

#338848 gnat (12712 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -4) | posted 6 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

"[I]t appears that the Powers That Be no longer consider Meta SE to be an effective (or pleasant) way for the community and the company to communicate." I'd have to agree with that. I used to suggest people ask things here, or direct people to information on this site, like how HNQ works for example, but I can't really see myself doing that anymore. — metasnail 2 mins ago

#338836 metasnail (2668 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 4) | posted 3 hours ago by PM 2Ring (149 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Whatever your hasty question is, it's almost certainly better served by doing a little research, writing a little code, or getting a little education first. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago

#338848 Robert Harvey (131459 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -4) | posted 6 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

On the other hand, if we all used one big meta for everything, the current tire fire would be affecting everyone on every site. — metasnail 32 secs ago

#338840 metasnail (2668 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I researched everything- Robert Harvey — New Member 53 secs ago

#338848 New Member (1 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -6) | posted 11 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@metasnail - It was featured on every site, and almost every site saw a decrease in either moderator activity, or actual acting moderators. The current "tire fire" has already effected every site. With a more focused group, I think we could have prevented something like this, as it didn't need to spread so far out of control from the first per site meta it started at. For example, there wouldn't have been a meta question on each meta site talking about it, there would have just been 1 post. It is much easier to get an official reply in one place than in dozens. — Travis J 1 min ago

#338840 Travis J (28045 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 2) | posted 2 hours ago by Travis J (28045 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

It seems that I need a minimal of 2 upvotes. What can I do to required? — New Member 57 secs ago

#338848 New Member (1 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -6) | posted 15 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@NewMember Is your question able to be posted as an actual question on a Stack? — Rubiksmoose 2 mins ago

#338848 Rubiksmoose (3179 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -6) | posted 15 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

I want to start a Q&A chat, thats it? It is a simple question, I don't understand. — New Member 2 mins ago

Note that both of these suggestions are not things that “we” can do; they require Stack Exchange to do something. — Alex 34 secs ago

#338827 Alex (6058 rep) | A: What new things can be done to increase participation in MSE? (score: 8) | posted 5 hours ago by yagmoth555 - GoFoundMe Monica (3573 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

Yes- Rubikmoose — New Member 2 mins ago

#338848 New Member (1 rep) | Q: Hi,I'm a new user, but want to start a Chat with another meta-user , how do I do that? (score: -7) | posted 19 minutes ago by New Member (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

@Catija Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:70.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/70.0 — Marlon 2 mins ago

#338843 Marlon (11 rep) | Q: pagesize attribute ignored in hot network list (score: 0) | posted 2 hours ago by Marlon (11 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

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