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00:59
Okay, having built working, semi-computer-controlled nuclear safety system that accepts commands from the terminal glasses, I think I can officially call myself "reasonably FTB ready" again.
01:22
And by semi-computer-controlled I mean "I really don't trust computers for nuclear safety systems on their own, at least 2 levels of redundancy in hardwiring is needed"
And I've already got some more ideas with these things. The fact that you can do commands remotely is really nice, and the fact that I can rig up a display for me only is nice too, because touch screens are annoying.
 
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08:07
@JeffreyLin I've only got the letsplay series to go by, but he uses Opis as a minimap.
@Unionhawk yeah, redundancy is nice in a nuclear scenario :)
 
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13:23
@Unionhawk You can have all the Uranium I find.
 
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14:47
Are factorization routers better than sorting machines?
With "better" meaning easier to use without breaking.
15:11
@OrigamiRobot which sorting machines do you mean? And afaik, routers are gonna get phased out of factorization at some point, in favor of servos
@Jochem Redpower
@OrigamiRobot wow, still playing 1.4 :o Hm, as for which is easier to use... the sorting machines are a little more predictable
routers will just ping around and put stuff wherever it fits with no possibility for filtering
the advantage of routers is that they require almost no configuration, but the advantage of sorting machines is that you can very carefully determing what goes where
I am torn as to what to use for my item management. I hate Blutricity (I like the system, I just hate the methods of generating it), but I like seeing all the things flowing through tubes.
@Jochem 1.4?
Minecraft 1.4.7 is the last version that Red Power came out for
afaik, the Project Red replacement never implemented the machines
I haven't played any kind of Minecraft in a long time.
Going on a year now.
15:18
so you're trying to plan for the new server? I'd suggest logistics pipes. I'm probably going to use it. Stuff does zip through the pipes and it's very configurable
I am completely unfamiliar with that.
alternatively, thermal expansion's itemducts also show items pass through them, though their filtering capabilities are a bit more limited
Before, I used Pneumatic Tubes.
@OrigamiRobot I used to love those, but there's easier and more flexible solutions now
even easier and more flexible :)
@Jochem How many items can a single request/destination/etc pipe manage?
15:30
There's a not of mods that handle item sorting, honestly...
For Thermal Expansion, each endpoint can filter (white or blacklist) up to 9 items, either ignoring or comparing NBT and damage values.
Buildcraft has sorting pipes that handle I think 9 items per exit route out of the pipe
@Jochem I mean Logistics pipes.
I hate normal Buildcraft pipes.
logistics pipes are more of a network. You tell the pipes connected to storage inventories what they're supposed to do, and the system's controller figures it out from there
logistics pipes is an expansion on the buildcraft pipes, though afaik it rewrites the routing almost completely
also, regular buildcraft pipes have been improved a lot since 1.4
effectively, you can tell a logistics pipe connected to a chest to either store certain items, store only items already in the connected chest, store only items from mods that already have items in said chest, or just store everything.
@Jochem Right, I mean how many unique items can one pipe manage?
@OrigamiRobot in the filter? I'm not exactly sure honestly
Like this one.
15:34
@OrigamiRobot those show all the items that are stored in inventories connected to pipes that are a part of it's network that have a supplier module inserted
it's a little complicated :)
but effectively, if you set up your storage system correctly, it'll let you fetch anything you have stored or have taught your system how to craft
@Jochem So they're like Managers?
@OrigamiRobot Not really, there's not really an equivalent in RP2. You can use them to fetch items from your network
say you were crafting something, and you needed extra items... with a request pipe you could have your storage system fetch them from the appropriate chest and spit them out at you
Wait, do you have to use normal buildcraft pipes with these?
Like wooden/stone/gold/etc
you use those for the stretches between logisticspipes. you build a network with logistics pipes at every intersection to route items, and connect them up with basic buildcraft pipes
BC pipes hardly ever drop stuff on the ground anymore though, they've gotten a lot of upgrades
Ugh, I'll stick wth pneumatic tubes.
15:45
I know they were incredibly painful to use in the past, but they've really improved
The thing I hate about Buildcraft Pipes is that there are so many.
well, then logistics pipes really isn't for you I'm afraid, there's a lot more of them now
I call that the opposite of easy.
it's not super easy, just super flexible
20 mins ago, by Jochem
even easier and more flexible :)
:P
15:47
there's other easier and more flexible solutions, logistics pipes is just more flexible, not easier
Applied Energistics is easier. It stores items on disks, the network is more like a LAN than anything else, there's only one kind of interconnect, and a couple different ways of interacting with other blocks (to do things such as import and export items)
The only thing that makes tubes (with redpower machines) suck is having to use blutricity.
@Jochem Yea, but you don't get to see the items travelling :(
I'm honestly not sure what project red uses for power, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditched blutricity
16:16
Huh. Mindcrack FTB is back.
And Nebris is back.
16:36
@Jochem Will we not have redpower?
@OrigamiRobot The Redpower developer fell off the face of the earth, so no.
This is a disaster :(
@OrigamiRobot There's a mod that replaces the wiring very well, but most of it is gone.
16:57
...huh. The new Mindcrack FTB season looks... interesting. It's an "every man for himself" format with ALL the PvP and ALL the base-raiding (with safe biomes, and spawn is safe)
Whelp, ItemDucts seem like my fallback.
I fully intend to go Logistics Pipes.
@Unionhawk I hate Buildcraft.
Because the pipes are stupid, or because hate?
1 hour ago, by OrigamiRobot
The thing I hate about Buildcraft Pipes is that there are so many.
17:00
Ah.
I love BuildCraft for the Machines an all that.
I mean, there are a stupid number of pipes and pipe upgrades and whatnot between all the extra pipes mods and lp, but it's also extremely powerful.
I didn't have and issue with the power of tubes.
I mean like "Sorting machine, get me <item>" OKAY powerful
Because I'm lazy
@Unionhawk I found tubes way easier for this.
Also, IIRC, I prefer MJ to EU.
17:06
shrug
I played with LP back in 1.2.5, I'm a little nostalgic about it. Or whatever.
Pipes have so many rules for each one. Tubes have one rule.
Are we going to have Xycraft? I don't see it on the Monster list.
@OrigamiRobot xycraft isn't out yet
Still
I don't know what you mean by "isn't out"
Isn't complete?
It doesn't have a public release yet
Well now I'm double sad. I loved Xycraft tanks.
17:21
I think they have openblocks
Which has tanks which are about as awesome
@KevinvanderVelden Interesting.
I should learn how to use computers this time
I never even touched them last time.
Computers are awesome, you should use them =p
Computers are also extremely powerful
If you know what you're doing
17:39
I might give up on my "see the items being transported" fetish and go with AE, because it does seem better.
It's also really expensive in both resources and energy
@KevinvanderVelden Yea, it's pretty shameful that a robot base had no computers.
I'm thinking about going with an LP input system which processes everything and then sends it to the AE
Ugh, LP just sounds so terrible.
Man, actually, the more I read about Itemducts, the more I love them.
@OrigamiRobot The version there was for 1.4 was only because direwolf20 pestered the mod author so much to release it. He's planning on releasing a 1.7 version afaik. Though he said the same about 1.6 I think
I was really surprised he started a patreon...
17:57
> All itemducts support filtering at their sources and destinations.
<3
@KevinvanderVelden What are SkyQuarries?
18:18
@OrigamiRobot quarries in the sky
Except I had like, 4 max size quarries running at the maximum speed devouring worlds
Care to elaborate on the sky part?
@OrigamiRobot well it was a mystcraft age with a lot of trees
So instead of destroying trees as needed I just took a stack of cobble and build a frame at Y level ~128
@KevinvanderVelden Is SkyQuarry just what you called your method of using a normal quarry?
18:22
@OrigamiRobot naah, skyquarry is going over a forest and leaving nothing but a stone skeleton left
@KevinvanderVelden How is that different from what I said?
@OrigamiRobot size, basically
That's still a normal quarry!
@KevinvanderVelden You'll be glad to know there's QuarriesPlus in this pack, which has 256x256 quarries <_<
I wish I remembered how to do Mystcraft ages.
18:23
SkyQuarries is using many maxsize quarries and destroying the entire render distance
@OrigamiRobot there's been some changes there too I'm afraid <_<
@Jochem =D 256x256 silktouch quarries
I built one with no trees, no caves, always day, etc. It was basically only earth.
I quarried the hell out of it.
SILK TOUCH QUARRIES??? :O
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@KevinvanderVelden eh, you can just straight-up fortune III those things. don't forget the efficiency V :D
18:24
@Jochem silktouch is better with reactorcraft
2 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot
That's still a normal quarry!
You can get 15 AE quartz crystals for a single block
also, I totally wish you remembered how mystcraft works, I have no idea what I'm doing usually :) So if there's any volunteers to create a nice digger age (just normal amounts of oregen), I'm all ears :D
@Jochem I can probably do that
Though the deep dark is also quite nice
@Jochem I'm pretty sure I can remember. I more meant I wish I didn't need to look up the pages I need.
I wish I had written mine down.
18:27
@OrigamiRobot meh, everything's been changed pretty much
So an age written in the older version won't work now
if we want, we can just rush for the deep dark, I'm ok with that as well
IIRC, it's practically impossible to create a stable age with whatever the crazy ore modifier was.
yeah, big reason why I don't want the higher oregen modifier
also, quarries are powerful enough, especially if you enchant the plus-quarries
I don't know nothin bout no enchanted quarries.
Benefit of rushing deep dark: no cheating required =p
18:28
I can probably guess though.
What is the dark deep?
@KevinvanderVelden I don't mind cheating for the digger age, honestly. Other than that, I want to be as cheat-free as possible
@OrigamiRobot a deep and dark place. If you're in an unlit space for to long you get damage, every mob that spawns is twice as strong
But normal ores spawn at twice the rate
Is it a separate area, like an age?
@Coronus jup, new dimension
@KevinvanderVelden At a glance, the writing methodology seems pretty much the same.
18:37
@OrigamiRobot It defaults to add missing pages now though, so the first few ages you make aren't pure instability.
@Arperum Right, but I had a fully complete age written.
It took forever to find the pages.
The new system will make it easier to write ages since I don't care about sun/moon/stars
@OrigamiRobot True.
@Arperum And now instead of "No Caves" you can just omit "Caves"
Hey @Arperum, did you buy pokemon? :)
@KevinvanderVelden Yup. I bought X, I had no choice really, I couldn't find any copys of Y. The shop was rearranging stuff and it took the person I asked 15 minutes to even find the 3DS games...
18:50
I got X as well
@KevinvanderVelden I thought you wanted Y?
Meh, I figured it'd be easier to trade for a skrelp then for a mega stone =p
@KevinvanderVelden Probably true.
I am so excited for FtB. I don't know where to start.
@OrigamiRobot by punching a tree obviously!
18:59
I'm going to be a rebel and punch a dirt.
I usually end up punching sheep too.
@OrigamiRobot Yes, it will be good to get everybody back together. I only got to see the entrance to your base last time.
Fell in, actually.
Bwahahahaha
I will probably do the same type of entrance this time.
19:15
@OrigamiRobot A pit in the ground?
@Arperum A whirlpool.
@OrigamiRobot Those are harder to make in recent versions of minecraft. Since infinite sources of water can replicate on an underground of water too.
@Arperum Not sure what that has to do with anything.
@OrigamiRobot In earlier versions of minecraft you could create all kinds of terrible underwater currents quite simply by just getting a couple of buckets from somewhere under water. In recent versions, this fixes himself.
That has nothing to do with my whirlpool.
19:20
@Arperum In this case, he had some space between the water, the currents were along the sides, all exposed to the air, if I recall.
Is that right?
@Coronus Ah, that should still be possible.
Yes, the center was a 3x3 air shaft.
(hehe, he said "shaft")
19:39
> MJ is no longer supported by Thermal Expansion. The new energy system is Redstone Flux. (RF).
Y U DO DIS?
I remember seeing something about that. I wonder, did Power Converters change to match?
@Coronus sorta, there is no more power converters
DECIDE ON A POWER SYSTEM MODDERS!
@OrigamiRobot Dear @OrigamiRobot: No. <3 Modders, special regards from KingLemming
@Unionhawk @OrigamiRobot I've added you on my 2DS friendslist thingy
19:50
@KevinvanderVelden Wait, what? I thought I saw a mention of it in the Monster changelog?
@Coronus o.o you are right
I thought it was no longer in this version of minecraft
Glad to be proven wrong though =p
Ok, but it's not listed below, but PowerCrystalsCore is .
@KevinvanderVelden I'll add you when I get home tonight.
So I guess I'll be using Lava to power everything now.
@OrigamiRobot why? Powerconverters is apparently in it
@KevinvanderVelden Where do you find that thing?
20:03
@Arperum main menu, smiley in a rectangle at the top of the touchscreen
@KevinvanderVelden Ok, I'm going to see where that arqade spreadsheet is.
@KevinvanderVelden I should be in that list now too.
I think he said they were doing some maintenance at the time, so that was a part of it.
Also, Z is alive. This is an excellent day.
Olympics, 2 of my subscriptions coming back from the dead of not-posting-for-a-month-or-more, etc
@KevinvanderVelden @Unionhawk @OrigamiRobot @Coronus I did all four of you too!
@Unionhawk He's completely confused about his stuff being gone, it's in the gravestone :p
20:17
in case anyone's interested: 62.4.3.194
there's some instructions regarding adding the extra mods there
@Jochem Oh, you added Morph?
Cool
Downloading monster :)
for right now, it's not whitelisted yet, but I'll change that before I go to bed (in about 3-4 hours), so anyone that wants access after that, tell me your IGN
@Coronus yup :) Mostly cause I wanted to be 1x1x1
Uuh TBYourdoom IIRC
@Jochem Don't forget bat form
20:20
@Jochem did you add the option to allow flying only after reaching the nether?
it's set completely default for now
@Jochem coronus42
I know I won't be home until after that.
ok, both of you are whitelisted :)
@Jochem Throw me into the whitelist too please :) If I'm not in there yet.
you should still be opped, but I'll add you just to be safe :)
20:24
That'd be cool "You can do anything you want on the server, except joining"
@KevinvanderVelden For some reason that reminds me of "PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS! Itty bitty living space."
@Jochem knightquester also requests an add, if that's all right.
@Jochem do you also have biomes o plenty?
@Arperum Oh, Guude...
Cause I think it's causing an error when connecting =p
@Coronus added
20:29
@KevinvanderVelden Yup.
@KevinvanderVelden yup, I do, sorry, forgot about that one
There's probably 27 billion comments telling him all about it.
@Jochem no problem =p The error message was nice and clear :)
(if you can read error messages at least)
@Arperum Yeah, that confused me at first too. I had 4 gravestones filled with stuff before I finally tried to remove the one inside my base.
That's slightly disappointing because I think it would be cool to have gravestones everywhere
 
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21:48
stackexchange has a minecraft server?
@deltree Used to.
It's no longer running, I think.
bah humbu
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