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Rudra Matroja

05:16

wow another one that downvotes without even reading the anwser

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Rudra Matroja

05:37

Actually guys I've been wondering

I've looked up the PCI express 3.0 performances

and it turns out that the latest ghraphics cards lose just about 5% in performance while on PCI Express 1.1 x16 compared to 3.0 x16
actually there is no loss on 2.0x16.
you could potentially run a high end graphic card on a 3.0 x4 bus just fine or a 2.0 x8 bus.
So why are they coming out with highspeed pci express technologies while they should be clearly working on using the bus to it's full capacity at first. (Nvidia/AMD and mobo designers.)

Adam

@Rudra There are a ton of other factors that play into bus sizes. One of the biggest being allowed power consumption which needs to be pretty high for the latest high-end video cards.

Journeyman Geek

@RudraMatroja: citation needed?

Rudra Matroja

05:52

but they already are using 2 8pins connectors, they could just add one more.

Journeyman Geek

@RudraMatroja: cause everything else hangs off that bus too

Well not everything but nearly

Rudra Matroja

what do yu mean?

in the physical way?

Journeyman Geek

logically?

Rudra Matroja

or connection wise?

Journeyman Geek

Most things are sitting on the PCI bus

and don't forget, you often run a high end card on 8x

Rudra Matroja

05:55

yeah but they don't even use the bandwidth provided

Journeyman Geek

Headroom is always good?

and its relatively "cheap"

Don't forget there's not much driving performance upgrades for most people either, unless you're upgrading for the sake of upgrading.

Rudra Matroja

I'm based on this article

tested.com/tech/…

Journeyman Geek

@RudraMatroja: so you can go x3 on pci 3.0?

(and there's no sign of 4.0)

NVMe is pci based too

And well

typically very few people buy a system based on the PCI version

Rudra Matroja

yeah i'm not talkign about the consumer

Journeyman Geek

On the server side

I donno

what needs that much bandwidth? 10gbe? sata 12gbps x 4 (6?) cards

Rudra Matroja

06:01

it's about the manufacturers who want to market the newer technologies while the old one is still not mastered

Journeyman Geek

plausibly

The same reason you can't buy insanely cheap, low power shitty cards for a tenner? ;p

Rudra Matroja

^^

if nvidia or amd came out with the technology to use atleast the pci express 2.0 x16's maximum bandwidth than they'd destroy the market

people complaining about mobos only using cards on x8 when in sli, they make me laugh

Journeyman Geek

lol

People do already

ahh that

lol

People don't know better

Rudra Matroja

well i'm wondering if should switch back to pc gaming and leave my xbox anole

Journeyman Geek

but then again, I tend to go with a single most powerful card I can.

(last card was a 660 tho, lovely thing)

Rudra Matroja

06:08

i've the 760 it's still good

Journeyman Geek

lol

Rudra Matroja

runs all of the recent games in medium

Journeyman Geek

With my old monitor I ran everything high or ultra

Rudra Matroja

except for batman (main reason i'm thinking about staying on xbox)

yeah i'm just a low end 1080p gamer

Journeyman Geek

sold the card on to a guy who RMAed his 760, and needed a new video card... he's getting a 960 as a replacement and he loved the old 660 enough that he's keeping it

lol

I used to game 1600x800

Rudra Matroja

06:10

yeah that made it easier

960is a 200bucksinvestment

Journeyman Geek

and that specific 660 is niiiice

asus, factory overclocked. Really quiet

Rudra Matroja

maybe once i'm finished with these internships and have a real job i might go on a 980 ti llike you

Journeyman Geek

XD

Put aside coffee money.

Rudra Matroja

lol

Journeyman Geek

That's how I bought a good chunk of my hardware

well not coffee, but close enough.

Rudra Matroja

06:12

it depends on how much you make compared to life cost

Journeyman Geek

I live with my parents XD

I take the bus

First job was 300 sgd a month, last one was 2400. Next one, donno ;p

I tend to have a fixed pool for random expenses.

Rudra Matroja

what is sgd worth?

in euro

Journeyman Geek

1 Singapore Dollar equals 0.65 Euro

Rudra Matroja

well living with your parents helps a lot

Journeyman Geek

Massively

But on a 100 dollars a month roughly? I built the core of my system in about a year.

Rudra Matroja

06:16

how much does a SSD NVM cost?

Journeyman Geek

I've not checked yet ;p

Rudra Matroja

a 3.0 4x sounds good to max out ssd capability

Journeyman Geek

My usual places don't have em listed

Rudra Matroja

and there's also the new type os storage

Journeyman Geek

M2?

Rudra Matroja

06:18

m2 is common now

Journeyman Geek

M.2 is physical. NVMe is the electrical.

There's also another slot type that uses a SAS style connector

Rudra Matroja

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167300

looks pretty costly

Journeyman Geek

Those are...

Rudra Matroja

370 for 400gig

Journeyman Geek

well kinda obsolete soonish

Rudra Matroja

06:20

well it's intel

Journeyman Geek

that

also meant for high end servers

Rudra Matroja

yeah

i wonder when will the consumers get double cpu suport

like ability to add another cpu in the extra socket

boost up your performances

Journeyman Geek

Unlikely

Its a lot lot lot more complex, and pricy

Rudra Matroja

i know but they already do it for servers

Journeyman Geek

and you're not going to need the amount of ram and cores that will enable in a home system

and workstations

Rudra Matroja

06:40

maybe when we'll have a unified PC for the whole house

and just outputs on every terminals

Journeyman Geek

Then you buy a rackmount server ;)

or a workstation

Rudra Matroja

$$$

once i'm a millionaire

Journeyman Geek

lol

Rudra Matroja

i'll go make my own console

an upgradable one

ok maybe not upgradable

but atleast something top notch at the moment of release

costly as hell but it'll last 10years without being out dated like the one right now

like a steambox

i'll begin a kickstarter to be millionaire

Journeyman Geek

07:03

lol

Andy

15:26

@ArtOfCode, I got a silver badge from that answer I put on MSO about TaggerBot yesterday, so thank you.

I have a bigger number next to a shiny pixel.

ArtOfCode

Close?

@Andy Nice one

I'm about to put in a second run with a slightly updated algorithm...

Andy

@ArtOfCode Give him a bit. He's been seen in the last 5 minutes. He may be editting based on my comment. If nothing has changed in 10-15 minutes, sure.

ArtOfCode

Prepare for next onslaught... python3 main.py --site stackoverflow --all executing.

Andy

Does the code on github submit the edits? I don't see an API call that looks like it's sending changes

ArtOfCode

@Andy Nope, I've kept that off GH deliberately, because I don't want other people all trying the same thing with copies of a bad algorithm. I'll add it in when it's good at what it does, just not now.

Andy

15:39

Ah. Ok. That's what I thought after looking through the code, but I wasn't sure

ArtOfCode

Oh lovely. My changes have introduced a bug.

Andy

Yay!

ArtOfCode

@Andy If I'm being totally honest, the API call that submits the edits is actually not an API call at all. It's completely manual :)

Andy

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ArtOfCode

There will be one, there just isn't right now.

@Andy Imagine that said in a Spongebob-esque "Four Hours Later" voice.

@Andy That just inspired the commit message on the fix... a67d3fe "127 little bugs in the code"

Andy

15:43

In a few weeks time, you'll look back at that an wonder what that means

ArtOfCode

Aye, but I'll be able to work it out from the code change.

Andy

Merge branch 'asdfasjkfdlas/alkdjf' into sdkjfls-final

ArtOfCode

Oh. 249 little bugs in the code, now.

Andy

Where's my one box?!

ArtOfCode

It's a secure link, they don't onebox

Andy

15:44

stupid security

@ArtOfCode I think it can be closed. The update didn't add anything of value

ArtOfCode

Oh good, there's a recommend closure flag on it too.

And a second community vote.

Closed.

:( that didn't add the flag to my flag count

Andy

Nope

I have 14 helpful flags on Community Building. All of them are spam flags. None of the other flags have been counted

ArtOfCode

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF 874 little buggers in the code.

@Andy I mean handled flags. I hoped the recommend closure flag would get added to my count

Andy

Oh. Caching?

ArtOfCode

Now I actually have to invest effort in fixing this bug, since it's not the obvious bit.

@Andy They usually update immediately

The closed stat has updated, so if the flag was going to I think it would have done so already.

OK this one should work

Damn. Now it's just a different bug.

I've got a good string of commit messages there...

RubyJunk

16:17

@Andy Best comic ever :)

Andy

16:37

@ArtOfCode, did you delete that bitcoin question?

ArtOfCode

@Andy Nope.

Um? Deleted by Community, 39 minutes ago, with no reason left.

Andy

Ban Community

for science

ArtOfCode

Ah, I see. User was deleted.

@Andy I wonder if that's actually possible

The OP deleted his user account, so the post went along with it.

Andy

If I were a betting man, I'd guess that @Undo has tried to ban Community.

ArtOfCode

15:58:40, self-deletion of the user caused it.

Andy

16:40

waves Bye user.

RubyJunk

This site is growing :) from 60 visits/day to 250 visits/day :)

Hurrah!

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk We've been looking at that. There's a massive spike in all the analytics with no apparent reason, just around Oct 27. It's dropping off again, though.

RubyJunk

Oh :(

@ArtOfCode Now I'm feeling sad :(

ArtOfCode

We'll grow, over time, just not that fast :)

RubyJunk

lol

Andy

16:43

@ArtOfCode Mod annoucements + the HNQs we've had help

ArtOfCode

Aye, true.

Well, bollocks. The bot's edit-banned.

Andy

Not to encourage bad behavior whispers create another account

shifty eyes

ArtOfCode

3 more rejected, 1 approved, and 6 pending.

Yeah... I'm not getting myself done for sockpuppeting.

Andy

Actually, a better idea would be to pull down the data dump and run it against that.

ArtOfCode

Here's hoping the 6 pending get approved and get me released from the ban.

I dispute this, and this. The other new rejection should have been improved or reject and edited.

Undo

16:49

@Andy I got that urge out a long time ago :P

Andy

But in your youthful days...did you ban Community?

enderland

I have wished many times we could flag ban community

Undo

@Andy no, I just opened the dialog and looked at the button

Which was enough danger for me

Andy

@ArtOfCode regarding this, since I rejected it (and didn't know it was your bot): Layout is very generic. It's got 18K questions AND that question has over 325K views and is 7 years old. It doesn't need the extra visibility. It also has an answer that has 101 upvotes and is accepted. Finally, the layout tag says:

> For questions pertaining to CSS, use the 'css' tag instead.

Which it already has

ArtOfCode

@Andy Read the edit comment, tells you it's the bot right off ;)

Andy

16:53

@Undo You looked into the abyss and blinked.

ArtOfCode

What you say is true, but the question also matches the "tag should be used for" description perfectly.

Andy

It does, but I generally skip that and look at the change. I read the comment when I'm confused by an edit.

I skip it most times because "Fixed formatting" or the automated "Changed X characters" is not useful

ArtOfCode

True. I tend to skim the edit comment before I do the review

ArtOfCode

17:25

So it's 50% accurate with 4 edits left to go from this run. That's better than last time.

JTL

@ArtOfCode Did someone ask a "searchable" question? Or was everything up?Perhaps we have to exist for a certain amount of time before that becomes common.

ArtOfCode

@JTL Absolutely every statistic I checked was spiked over that period. New users, votes, posts, views. The lot.

JTL