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Andy

00:13

Mods, part of my "how can we help" is because I keep seeing waves of questions that you guys are fixing.

Can/should we be doing some of this?

RubyJunk

00:28

@Adam Whenever you shrink an image, you over compress it. You should try not to do that because I feel like grainy, overly compressed images don't look good. Of course, that's just my opinion :P.

Adam

@Andy You absolutely can if you want to. So what we're doing right now is going through every post (just to cover what we missed as mods before we were instated) and checking tags and comments. If the post needs something else, we'll do it.

It's also a good way to see how tags are being used and edit excerpts accordingly.

@RubyJunk The images I've been finding in posts are excessively large and often have a ton of white space in them, so I crop and resize a bit.

RubyJunk

@Adam I can understand cropping and resizing, the lossy compression is what's getting at me.

Adam

That's just stardard imgur stuff (which is also what SE uses natively).

RubyJunk

Imgur automatically compresses small images excessively, but not the large ones? .-.

Adam

I'm not sure then. I did all that directly through imgur so there shouldn't be a problem.

RubyJunk

00:34

How do you resize images through imgur? I didn't even know that was possible...

@Adam And also, I guess if you do that, it must add an excessively large amount of compression besides resizing it..

Adam

There's a whole editing feature to resize and crop (and maybe a few other things). Check the "edit" box when you upload an image.

RubyJunk

That must be it. Whenever I suggest image edits, I download it into PDN and then resize it and crop it manually.

Then, obviously, I reupload it

Adam

Must be imgur's wonky algorithms then. :P

In any case, I resize images that clearly visually break the content they're used in. It's just a readability thing.

Andy

@Adam thanks. That's helpful

Adam

00:49

@Andy Sorry for not stating that earlier.

halirutan

05:17

@Adam @RubyJunk But you know about this here, yes?

66

Q: Resizing an image in a post?

Is it possible to resize an image in an answer? For example, How important is PhD research topic to getting a job? has an answer that should have the image in the answer, but it's too big. Is there a way to handle resizing?

Adam

@halirutan I had no idea that was a feature. I'll definitely use that in the future.

halirutan

@Adam I stumbled over it, because beside our own SE Image Uploader that let's you upload things directly from Mathematica, I implemented a hack that let's you encode source code into an imgur image for easier sharing of large code cells.

Journeyman Geek

06:54

o0

Rudra Matroja

07:22

hi

@Ha

halirutan

@RudraMatroja Hi.

Thanks for joining.

Rudra Matroja

no pb

halirutan

@RudraMatroja My core system with the new CPU will currently be:

Rudra Matroja

so you're looking for a good mobo that support s64gig ram and the 5960x?

halirutan

@RudraMatroja Yes

And if possible ATX form.

Because I want to have the Be Quiet Rack which only supports ATX

Rudra Matroja

07:24

al right i'm checking out parts with good reputation

Journeyman Geek

@halirutan heh. I traditionally pull people over to chat for hardware stuff ;p

Rudra Matroja

and how do you do that?

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek It's just easier and faster. And if something of general interest comes up, I'm not too lazy to ask a question afterwards and give @RudraMatroja some reputation.

Journeyman Geek

yup!

@RudraMatroja: I'm a SU mod and I'm always on chat so... I just suggest people pop on there

Rudra Matroja

well here's a mobo that could interest you. it's pretty darn cheap for the chipset
ASRock X99 Extreme4

Journeyman Geek

07:28

@halirutan: Even if you arn't american, the pc parts picker is a good way to get a system together

Also, ATX or smaller

Rudra Matroja

@JourneymanGeek you're stealing my answers lol

Journeyman Geek

You could go mini atx for example, if you didn't need as many ram slots and/or PCI slots

@RudraMatroja: meh, you post the answers then ;p

I just enjoy designing systems

Rudra Matroja

but that's like window licking

Journeyman Geek

lol

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek @RudraMatroja I'm planning to put 8 modules of RAM in it. If I'm not mistaken it's better for parallel bandwidth.

Rudra Matroja

07:30

designing awesome stuff then looking at the price

Journeyman Geek

I'm at the stage where I can actually just upgrade every few years

._.

There's desktops that have 8 ram slots?

@RudraMatroja: With my current build, I designed one, saved over a year, did a few small tweaks, ended up getting something better

Rudra Matroja

yeah the 5960x takes upto 4 in parallel (if you want all 8 you might need to go xeon)

Journeyman Geek

Most of its ok tho. I just need a new second screen in a few months ;p

That.

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek This one seems to have

ASUS X99-A/U3.1

Rudra Matroja

i still use crappy 720p screen for the secondary monitor

Journeyman Geek

07:31

@RudraMatroja: primary screen is 4K

looking at one of those odd korean displays to replace the 1080p I stole from the main desktop, since the 1600x800 screen I used to have died.

Rudra Matroja

holy moly you lucky *******

Journeyman Geek

lol

Actually the monitor and video card ate up my discretionary spending for most of the year

THEN I lost my job ;p

Rudra Matroja

@halirutan https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-x99extreme4
this one has 8slots and cheap

halirutan

@RudraMatroja About the RAM speed. Does it have to be higher than CPU or not? I asked this @JourneymanGeek already.

Journeyman Geek

@halirutan: two are unrelated

for most things quantity > quality

Just get supported ram, in 'kits' of the same number of sticks as channels

Rudra Matroja

07:34

just check what ram speed are supported by the cpu but frankly at high end cpu you don't need to worry

in the like the ram frequencies are shown for the ddr4 type

Journeyman Geek

Yup

halirutan

@RudraMatroja The intel only support 2133 DDR4. That's the most

Journeyman Geek

Actually oddly it matters more on a low end AMD box

On high end, not much difference

Rudra Matroja

that's the highest

Journeyman Geek

I'd actually rather get the baseline 'standard' ram they recommend if you arn't OCing, and max out.

halirutan

07:36

That's why I I decided to use CL15 rather than 3000GHz and CL18 or so..

Rudra Matroja

high end ram makes little differrence

Journeyman Geek

("rather" . That said I chose to go with 16gb in 2 sticks)

@RudraMatroja: I disagree there

Rudra Matroja

it costs way too much for the performance gain

halirutan

@RudraMatroja You mainboard is indeed cheaper but has only 1x PCIe and 2x USB 3.0

Rudra Matroja

yeah but you're into sli crossfire are you?

usb could be itchy

Journeyman Geek

07:37

pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/…

Rudra Matroja

as it's getting common

Journeyman Geek

heh. Or just get a 980TI ;)

halirutan

@RudraMatroja The rest looks pretty similar to the ASUS. I said this earlier, here in Germany we have to burn money to get something back from taxes.

Journeyman Geek

Its essentially the same performance as a Titan at ~2/3 the cost

AND supposedly DX12 lets you use dissimilar cards anyway

Rudra Matroja

even amd/nvidia combos

it has 3 pci ex ports

Journeyman Geek

07:39

I'm pondering that

since AMD has better DX 12 performance

Rudra Matroja

for now

Journeyman Geek

If not...

erm

Rudra Matroja

and they burn waay too much

Journeyman Geek

I'm more worried about drivers

Nvidia's been rock solid for me

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek @RudraMatroja Has someone a recommendation for a CPU cooler that actually fits above the RAM. I have read horrible stories of coolers that came in contact with RAM or with the rack itself because they were too large.

Rudra Matroja

07:40

@halirutan did you see premade builds on the pc part picker?

Journeyman Geek

@halirutan: erf. This is why I buy regular ram ;p

But I use the stock cooler.

(for now)

@halirutan: would your case do a closed loop water cooler?

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek I usually too, but this time I want silent pc.

Rudra Matroja

amd has been rock solid too... just in the bottom of the ocean

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek Nope, no water.

Journeyman Geek

alas

those would solve a few issues at once

since the radiator is far away from the processor, and those are quiet if you pick the right ones.

halirutan

07:42

@RudraMatroja No, but I'm looking at the Build Guides now.

Journeyman Geek

@halirutan: the logical increments guides are good too

I typically start with those then swap out parts

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek Where is this menu entry?

Journeyman Geek

logicalincrements.com

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek Ah, different site. Thanks

Journeyman Geek

logical increments guides to get you started. PC parts picker to get the build planned ;p

Rudra Matroja

07:44

too bad pc parts is not in every country

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek So 5960x and I'm categorized as monstrous

Journeyman Geek

@RudraMatroja: I typically buy parts locally

so I end up taking a weekend, walkabout to check prices anyway

Our local computer parts mall is quite interesting, once you realise where the seedy parts are.

Rudra Matroja

where do you loive?

Journeyman Geek

Singapore

Rudra Matroja

i'm from france and I rarely go to the market to bargain prices

halirutan

07:46

@JourneymanGeek @RudraMatroja I buy locally too. My friend from school and neighbor has a computer shop. Awesome :-)

Journeyman Geek

Sim Lim Square is a glorious hive of scum and villany.

Even if, sadly, they've gotten rid of some of the local colour

Do NOT ever buy a phone there.

Rudra Matroja

@halirutan 386 is affordable for your mobo?

and don't forget you need a cpu cooler

caus the cpu doesn't come with one

halirutan

@RudraMatroja Yes, and I have no idea which one will fit over the RAM and inside my rack.

Currently,

be quiet! Dark Rock 3, CPU-Cooler

Journeyman Geek

@halirutan: its pretty hard to guess without knowing the exact size of the cooler/case.

Rudra Matroja

look at the mobo and you'll see the space you've available

Journeyman Geek

07:49

You MIGHT be able to look these up

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek I guess I speak to my friend and let him order one or two alternatives.

Rudra Matroja

what was your case already?

halirutan

Or he'll knows it from experience

bequiet.com/de/case/546

Journeyman Geek

That's useful yes

halirutan

Rudra Matroja

07:51

the model name please

halirutan

@RudraMatroja Silent Base 800 from Be Quiet

Rudra Matroja

and the video card?

and how many hard drives?

(model names if you can)

halirutan

@RudraMatroja MSI NVidia GTX 970

2x 850 Pro 2,5" 1 TB, Solid State Drive

1x Seagate ST2000DX001 2 TB, Hybrid-Festplatte

Rudra Matroja

man i have the same ssds but in 500gig formats

Journeyman Geek

Yfancy.

I have the same SSD in 256gb

@halirutan: heh, I'd go a step up and get a 980 or a 980ti

looking at the whole build

halirutan

07:54

@RudraMatroja Sorry, it's only 1 of the Samsung.

Rudra Matroja

ohh

Journeyman Geek

lol

I thought you were going to raid it ;p

Rudra Matroja

1tb is ssd is more than enough

halirutan

@JourneymanGeek Nope, too expensive and I already have the GTX 970.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

halirutan

07:55

Bought it 3 weeks ago

Journeyman Geek

then its fine

Rudra Matroja

4gig i guess

well 3.5 to be exact

Journeyman Geek

yup

Rudra Matroja

was quite a scandal

pcpartpicker.com/p/zfnBK8

there you go

just put in the rest of the info

PSU and stuff

Journeyman Geek

I nearly bought one ;p

Went 2 steps up tho

Rudra Matroja

07:59

change the mobo if you'd like a better one

yeah well you're good for 5y

Journeyman Geek

lol. or more

halirutan

@RudraMatroja Thanks

Rudra Matroja

980ti is like 580ti when it came out

it's still running good

Journeyman Geek

lol yeah

my 660 was awesome too

Rudra Matroja

i'm actually waiting for a money income to get a better card, i've a gtx760 and it's having trouble

Journeyman Geek

08:01

new owner had a 760, was waiting on rma

he's gettin a 960 as a replacement amd selling that ;p

Rudra Matroja

i'd have kept the 760 for physix card

till direct x 12 comes out

Journeyman Geek

lol

was thinking of doing that with the 660

but never got round to it

Rudra Matroja

well they say the performances go up with dx12 sharply in sli

Journeyman Geek

lol. lets see how the next job pays

Rudra Matroja

anandtech.com/show/9740/…

pretty crazy

well i'm off to lunch

see you in a few

halirutan

08:07

@RudraMatroja Thank you for all answers!

Rudra Matroja

08:17

aaaaand i'm back

no problem. I hope you found the build you wanted

ArtOfCode

09:21

What does everyone think about having a close reason for technical support questions? Have we had enough of them to justify it? Would it be useful?

Journeyman Geek

10:36

@ArtOfCode: Wouldn't the generic close reason do there?

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek We don't have a generic reason. If we did, yes, but...

Journeyman Geek

Really?

OOh, you don't

I suppose question belongs to another site works, but its nice to have a good reason to close anything shitty ;p

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek Currently, you just have to add a custom comment. We've had a number, though, so might be worth a custom reason.

Journeyman Geek

That's inefficient ;p

RubyJunk

11:20

@halirutan OMG, I didn't know about that. Interesting!

halirutan

@RubyJunk SE Meta is full of such stuff. Always carefully hidden in the thousands of posts.

RubyJunk

@halirutan Haha :)

Cya

RubyJunk

11:40

@halirutan @JourneymanGeek @Andy C'mon guys

This post needs upvoting

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Q: Can we get a way to wrap text around images?

Right now as far as I can tell all images have to appear as inline paragraphs, left-aligned with other paragraphs. For sites like Stack Overflow, it makes sense... images are only used when you want to illustrate something, so the image is sort of like something that they have to stop and "read"...

feature-request status-declined markdown images

And the answer does too.

halirutan

12:03

@RubyJunk Status was already declined by Jeff himself.

Andy

14:25

@ArtOfCode, I think we need the technical support close reason

ArtOfCode

14:37

@Andy I guessed you would, being the poster of that meta question. Reasonings?

Andy

14:54

The questions posted in the OP are all tech support. There have been a few others since then too. It's becoming common enough that I think it's warranted

Undo

Tempted to agree

Andy

Are you on the fence because we're still young and want to see if the trend continues? Or for another reason?

Undo

More because I just woke up and don't trust myself yet ;)

Andy

Caffeine. :)

Cfinley

15:13

@ArtOfCode I am with Andy, I think we need it.

ArtOfCode

So two mods, at least two users want it. So promising.

Undo

Post-drowsiness me says that we probably should have it

JTL

16:02

@ArtOfCode I agree on that one as well. We could wait, but I imagine that, as traffic increases, those questions are likely to increase as well. I envision random web-browsing folk happen upon the site and think "Oh! I need someone to 'recommend' a fix for my mouse, which is a piece of hardware, so this must be the right place."

Also, no one posted a "no" answer.

ArtOfCode

16:23

Hm. Nice one then. I'm tempted to call that a pretty clear decision - @Undo, shall we?

Undo

Suppose so

ArtOfCode

On it

Andy

Is it done yet?

Now?

How about now?

ArtOfCode

Now.

Now we just need @Undo to approve it, and it goes live.

Andy

Yay!

Undo

16:28

Just a sec

ArtOfCode

@Undo there's a clicky-link for you in t'other room

Undo

Done

ArtOfCode

Reason is live!

And I just claimed its first use :)

Hardware Recommendations Meta

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Q: "I've already bought this product, I want to do this, can I? If not what should I get instead?" questions

We've had a few questions that follow this format: I've bought this PRODUCT to solve MY PROBLEM. Can this PRODUCT actually do this? If so, how? If not, what do you recommend? The most recent example is What will be the best way to connect two external monitors with macbook pro early 2010 mo...

discussion question-quality

Andy

19:05

Woo! First up vote on Server Fault in 3 years. At this pace, I'm only 6 years away from 150 rep there.

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RubyJunk

20:24

@halirutan I know. I wonder why?

Andy

20:34

Those of you watching Website Recommendations...it's been closed.

Undo

@Andy Hrmph

ArtOfCode

@Undo we've just done the same thing in the comments :)

Undo

Heh

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