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RubyJunk

00:05

Would you look at that! Another bit of HR on the 'Hot Network Questions' list! hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/762/476

Journeyman Geek

00:33

Since it only happens once. (unless someone downvotes me, and I ask a question and pick a correct answer and.... CLOSE ENOUGH!)

Adam

Ah, the coveted devil score.

ArtOfCode

07:22

Free downvotes on a low quality answer: hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/a/769/8

Journeyman Geek

Downvotes are never free

But sacrifices have to be made ;p

Least till we get some mods.

ArtOfCode

07:56

@JourneymanGeek today, hopefully.

Hardware Recommendations Meta

12:48

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Q: Leave open question where we know that the answer is that there is no such hardware

What should we do with questions where there can't be such a hardware, typically because the problem is at the software level? In my opinion, we should allow an "answer" which explains why there can't be such a hardware, even tho this "answer" doesn't actually provide a direct answer to the ques...

discussion

Cfinley

14:20

Morning

Undo

Morning @Cfinley

Cfinley

Hows your Monday going so far?

Undo

Good. Yours?

Journeyman Geek

woof.

I have an interview on wednesday

Undo

@JourneymanGeek What kind of position?

Journeyman Geek

14:25

Work = money = hardware = yay!

2

@Undo: tech support

Cfinley

Good luck

Journeyman Geek

I need a bit more experience before I go sysadmin ;)

Cfinley

My Monday is going well so far.

Journeyman Geek

If things work out tho

a second 4K screen is a possibility ;)

Not a dell tho

Cfinley

Painting the interior of the house takes longer than I thought.

Journeyman Geek

14:27

@Cfinley: No it dosen't. Its just not painting the parts you don't want painted that's not quick.

Cfinley

True

What monitor do you have already?

I'm thinking of upgrade my monitors. I'm just not sure when I want to do it.

Journeyman Geek

Dell P2715Q

4K, colour caliberated, single stream transport, USB 3,0 hub...

price, isn't too bad, and cheaper than some of the other options

Cfinley

That looks nice

And VESA mounts. That would work for my (future) setup.

Journeyman Geek

ebay.com/itm/…

@Cfinley: Dell's stock mounts are excellent

and they have a dual screen stand as well

Cfinley

Same with their keyboards

Journeyman Geek

14:32

lol

Oh, on the low end? Hell yeah

I still prefer my early model black widow tho

Cfinley

Yeah, the one in your answer

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Cfinley

Never had any issues with it

Journeyman Geek

Amusing thing is? I know where I could get em for a fiver

Undo

Congrats @Adam @ArtOfCode

Cfinley

14:46

@Undo @Adam @ArtOfCode Congrats on the diamonds!

3

Use them well

Journeyman Geek

On the contrary

Abuse them well. Just don't get caught ;)

Undo

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/30726/the-b-team

Cfinley

awww, access denied :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

Cfinley

Looks like I Have to get the privileges the hard way

Journeyman Geek

14:49

@Cfinley: go get a diamond!

Undo

Trying to decide whether to handle the flags myself or make @Adam do it as initiation

Journeyman Geek

lol

Cfinley

Its either here or SU, and I dont know enough to be a mod at SU

I think Adam would like going through the flags

Journeyman Geek

;p

@Undo: lots?

Undo

@JourneymanGeek slightly more than 7, slightly less than 9

Journeyman Geek

14:51

ahh

not too bad

Undo

Which is nothing by SU standards, of course :P

Journeyman Geek

SU is actually not too bad

Unless a person I shall not name roboflags

Also don't forget

SU has tons of mods

Cfinley

I like to think I help make the mods life harder at SU. 559 helpful flags and counting.

Undo

Oooh

this means I can finally edit meta posts

enderland

@Undo runs to downvote undo

Journeyman Geek

14:55

lol

Undo

@enderland I don't think you have enough downvotes

Journeyman Geek

@Cfinley: I hit somewhere over 2K

then they got fed up and talked me into getting elected.

enderland

@Undo enderland runs to write an email about how mods are horrible, etc

or should that be a meta post, I forget what the usual mod hate is

Cfinley

@JourneymanGeek Thats one way of doing it I guess

Undo

@enderland You're on Workplace, aren't you skilled at knowing where to direct mod hate?

enderland

14:56

@Undo well we don't see the email hate

Undo

True

Hardware Recommendations Meta

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Q: Introducing your pro-tem moderators

Throughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

discussion featured moderators

Undo

Looks like Adam wakes up in a few minutes / an hour.

Gah so hard to resist flags

Cfinley

Its Adam we are talking about. He wont be up until early afternoon my time. Still have ~3 hours

Undo

Chat shows that it's only another hour or so

Andy

15:20

Oh...can I flag chatty comments now?!

YAY!

Undo

@Andy Please do :)

Andy

Alrighty...what's the moderators opinion on "I was going to recommend this too!" comments?

ie:

Haha, I was going to recommend the same one but you beat me to it! — DJ McMayhem 11 hours ago

Undo

Doesn't add any useful information IMO.

Andy

clicks flag

Undo

But I can't exactly dictate policy on my own :P

Andy

15:29

Pssh. I just saw you do it.

Undo

now, if I saw it in a certain queue...

Adam

I'm blue and no one can make fun of me now.

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Andy

@Adam...you smell

@ArtOfCode, you added a Legacy tag to this question. Can you add an excerpt so that we know how to use this? "Legacy" can mean a few different things for hardware

Adam

Sorry, that's what happens when you become a janitor.

Undo

@Adam FYI, for whatever reason, you have to accept the mod agreement on main and meta separately.

Andy

15:35

@Adam Good response :)

Cfinley

@Adam black is a better color IMO

Andy

You're still slanted @Cfinley, so you've got that

Cfinley

I don't know what that even means

Room Owner?

Andy

Yeah

Undo

@Cfinley italicized.

yeah

Cfinley

15:36

@Undo ...

Undo

Room Owner

Cfinley

Thanks

Andy

16:24

Did anyone look at the list of words to avoid that was linked in the mp3 player meta question? I think the industry would trip over itself for years if anyone tried to follow those suggestions

Undo

@Andy Yuck

That @Adam is a flag handling machine

Adam

Just doing my janitor duties before the crowd gets here. :)

Then they'll mess everything up again and expect us to clean up after them...

Undo

That's the spirit

Andy

17:21

@Undo That's a nice way of putting my thoughts.

ArtOfCode

@Andy Aye, will do. I added it but waited on the wiki because I knew I was going to be diamonded soon, and could just do it.

Andy

Thanks

And congrats

ArtOfCode

@Adam if this is anything like Open Source, you won't see another flag for the next few weeks.

Though I think it might be slightly higher traffic than that.

Undo

@ArtOfCode Even in its early days, SR was getting a flag every day or two immediately

This site is lower traffic than SR ever was, though

ArtOfCode

Aye. One every few days, perhaps.

@Andy what are some common misuse cases for legacy, do you think?

Hardware Recommendations Meta

18:13

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Q: Should we delete things that don't match our criteria?

It was proposed, then it was implemented for questions and answers. We have quality guidelines for questions and answers; now, the question is how we enforce them. Now that this site has some diamonds, we want to know what we should do with posts that aren't up to scratch, and we need your opini...

discussion question-quality answer-quality

Undo

@HardwareRecommendationsMeta Should this be featured?

ArtOfCode

@Undo Should it?

Undo

I don't know :P

Adam

@ArtOfCode The date when something becomes legacy can greatly vary to different people.

ArtOfCode

@Adam Aye, I've tried not to define a date

It didn't really work, but hey

Undo

18:29

Could it be "something that is hard to do with modern technology"?

I.e. floppy drives are "legacy" because I have no idea how I would read one with my current modern hardware

Adam

I actually think a vague date should be given, maybe "more than ten years ago" or something. Without it, some people might try to use it to refer to USB 2.0 or some "older tech."

ArtOfCode

Aye, but there were still floppy drives in new PCs what, seven-eight years ago?

Adam

Hmm... true. It would just be beneficial to define a time somehow.

Undo

Is there a reason we need to define 'legacy'?

Adam

Good point

Undo

18:32

Are we going to have experts in 'legacy stuff'?

I don't know that we even need to tag it differently, actually

ArtOfCode

We might have experts in legacy stuff, actually.

Cfinley

I'm with Undo on this. I don't think we need the tag.

ArtOfCode

Someone take it to meta.

I've seen at least one other proponent of the tag, and I'm the creator.

Adam

I'm all for the tag. It's great for searching legacy stuff (as tags should be good for).

Undo

That's true

ArtOfCode

19:27

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Q: If a question contains two questions, is it OK to leave an answer that only responds to one?

Example: I'm searching for a good monitor for my PC. I currently own a 21,5" ASUS monitor, which is fine; I'm planning on using the one I currently own as a second monitor and get a new one as my main monitor. I'm willing to pay up to 200 €. I want something that's a little bigger tha...

discussion questions deleted-answers

Opinions on that ^, anyone? I'm tempted to say yes, but who knows.

Undo

@ArtOfCode That's a strange case, I'd almost say that a question should only ask one question

ArtOfCode

@Undo to be fair, the example given in the question seems valid

Undo

Should we say that you have to answer the main question?

Auxiliary questions might be okay, but I'm not sure they constitute an answer on their own

Although such an answer could be useful

ArtOfCode

@Undo I've literally just put an answer in to that effect.

Undo

Saw it

ArtOfCode

19:36

Too late, Obie.

Adam

Darn the XY.

ArtOfCode

I never did get XY.

Andy

They are two of the three last letters in the english alphabet.

If that helps at all...

ArtOfCode

That is... far too literally true.

Undo

The first two of the last three

Gotta be precise

Andy

19:49

That's just showing off though. I don't want to appear arrogant ;)

enderland

710

Q: What is the XY problem?

What is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

discussion faq asking-questions terminology

boom

Undo

grrr

Andy

@enderland for the win!

ArtOfCode

:24955747 Too late, Obie.

enderland

XY problems are one of the main things that causes SE problems

"I want to do X, because it's the solution to [the problem I am not listing]"

Undo

19:52

"The problem I am not listing" being "the real, root problem"

enderland

Yeah

Undo

Sometimes you can even get nested XY problems. XYXY's

Adam

Sometimes there are XYYXZ's which introduce nesting and if-statements.

ArtOfCode

sigh

Adam

I just had to.

enderland

20:00

@Adam if (xyxy) then (make xyxy=xy) else (xy = null)

Hardware Recommendations Meta

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Q: Help! What's on-topic here?

When people arrive at our site, they'll be directed to /help/on-topic for guidance about what's on-topic here. Said page currently contains basically nothing useful; I can tell you that without even looking at it. However, we've got diamonds now, and we can edit that page. So - what should it sa...

discussion help-center scope

Adam

I feel like we could develop a golf language out of this called SEXY (StackExchange XY).

2

ArtOfCode

facepalm

Go talk to the experts at PPCG.

Undo

TIL that 'amalgamate' is a real word

RubyJunk

I got my question about a keyboard featured??? proud

:D

I feel so good about myself :D

Adam

20:09

People love their keyboards.

enderland

I have a very similar Dell keyboard to that one

RubyJunk

20:28

Haha

Hot network question: Keyboard for windows

What people are thinking - daf**k??

enderland

@RubyJunk HNQ is basically a popularity contest

Andy

Mods, don't forget this while you are updating wording everywhere too: meta.hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/231/…

ArtOfCode

@Andy Aye, that's being considered along with the /help/on-topic - we figure we can use a shortened version of the help for the tour.

RubyJunk

20:47

@enderland lol, I'm new here, I wouldn't know. :P

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk You do now :)

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode Yep. I win the popularity contest!

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk For now :D The challenge is to do it again

I've only ever had one question on HNQ.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode I'll ask about mice next.

@ArtOfCode Do you think I should do the input kind, or the living kind?

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk Heh. Look at the description of mice in the tag wiki - "For questions about geokinetic co-ordinate based input peripherals. Also known as mice."

Pretty sure that indicates input kind

RubyJunk

20:50

@ArtOfCode You have to edit that tag wiki! Get on it, now!

@ArtOfCode :)

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk Heh. I'm the one who created it, about an hour ago :D

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode Oh well, I'm gonna leave now. See you sometime soon!

enderland

@ArtOfCode I wish I could track how many of my answers (or questions, for that matteR) on Workplace end up there

ArtOfCode

@enderland Yeah, but that's far too much effort for anyone to do with the data we have access to.

@RubyJunk Seeya :)

Adam

@enderland There has to be some kind of SE data search function for that.

Undo

20:55

@Adam Not for finding what ended up on HNQ

enderland

@Adam I doubt it, nothing in the current API at least

Undo

You could make some decent guesses, but not anything terribly accurate

enderland

@Undo one fairly easy guesstimation would be something like, "answer score > 20"

Undo

Or questions with a high outlier of views

enderland

Yeah, but that could be a good google SEO too

ArtOfCode

21:00

Combine those stats

enderland

main problem is SE doesn't track views over time at all

ArtOfCode

Well, all of the first page of /tags have excerpts now.

I'd love it if everyone else wrote a tag wiki or two, hint hint :)

Adam

So we can have more stuff to approve >:)

ArtOfCode

And that, but I was doing that anyway :)

RubyJunk

Haha, just added HDD enclosure and an excerpt. Sorry mods, more work for you >XD MUAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

woah. went a little overboard with the evil laughs.... :/

@ArtOfCode I'm so mean. Now someone wrote a tag wiki. And you have to approve it. >:)

I'm starting to feel guilty :(

ArtOfCode

21:15

Approved - excerpts are even better if you add guidance on when people should use it :)

It's about 4 button clicks for me to approve it, so no worries there xD

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode I need to make a spam bot. Then you would be pressing a lot of buttons :D

@ArtOfCode Now the question - should the spam bot create useful tag wikis?

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk Spam bots would get the Shog down on you, which I am not liable for :)

@RubyJunk It most definitely should.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode =P

ArtOfCode

I mean, they'd still have to be approved, but that's not exactly hard.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode I lost 14 rep because I accidently deleted an answer? How does that work....

@ArtOfCode Lol, just noticed as I went through my rep earnings/losses :P

ArtOfCode

21:18

@RubyJunk Lemme guess, you had 2 upvotes and 2 downvotes on it. That's 14 rep.

Undelete it if you want the rep back

Oh wait, 3 downvotes

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode I did undelete it...

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk Good good. Rep back?

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode nooo?

ArtOfCode

@RubyJunk Hm, interesting. Got a link?

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode it says -14 (removed)

ArtOfCode

21:20

Investigation time... starting with your rep history.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode wait, for some reason it didn't undelete when I reloaded. Let me press the pretty button again...

ArtOfCode

Heh. I have lots of those.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode ok then. Thank you. I hate buttons

ArtOfCode

Good good, because I can't actually find the event you're talking about :)

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode OK. cya

ArtOfCode

21:22

Aye aye

Ah yeah, that undelete triggered a rep recalc. All good now.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode Editing my thank you note :| for shame

Who here has a PCPartPicker account???

I feel like someone must.

I can't be the only one.

ArtOfCode

Heh. Just not massively relevant to the question, so I got rid of it

Can't say I do.

RubyJunk

@ArtOfCode I figure that there must be someone.

ArtOfCode

Aye, probably.

RubyJunk

I think my account got banned

It stopped working

I thought it was a glitch, but the support never replied back :P

Lol, I like watching my name get big

bigger

I think thats the maximum...

oh well.

Just 6 more rep 'till assoc bonus. C'mon....

Just one more....

:(((((

Please....

YESSSSS

I GOT 910 REP :D:D:D:D:D

HDE 226868

22:16

I know it's been a while since I was here, so I'll just quickly say this: Good luck to the new mods! I know you guys will do great and help lead HR to success! @Adam @ArtOfCode @Undo

ArtOfCode

@HDE226868 Ta :)

Undo

@HDE226868 Thanks :)

Adam

@HDE226868 Thanks! :-)

HDE 226868

Wow, you guys got back quick.

Adam

Janitors are always around.

ArtOfCode

22:25

Aye, that they are

Adam

I'm using the janitor analogy a lot and it's really getting to me.

Adam

22:41

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A: Merge [monitor] into [display]

There are a few ways I can see this working out. Display is essentially a synonym for screen, and a monitor is a type of screen, so monitor is already just a subset of display. So should we get rid of monitor? I say no. A monitor is a specific piece of hardware used to see and interact with a co...

Can everyone or anyone agree with the edit I made to this answer? Or is it still a grey area?

ArtOfCode

@Adam sounds reasonable to me

HDE 226868

23:03

@Adam I like it.

Undo

23:54

@Adam Sounds reasonable to me too

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